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NFT: Dominic Smith joining the Mets tomorrow!

DanMetroMan : 8/10/2017 5:17 pm
@TheRealSmith22 Congrats! #DomTime #Mets
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Man...  
ZGiants98 : 8/11/2017 2:30 pm : link
Syndergaard
DeGrom
Darvish
Matz (yes I still believe he finishes strong)
Harvey, Wheeler, Lugo, Gsellman, Montero, Flexen

Would be fine by me!
This may seem like a joke but I'd totally bring back Colon next year  
Eric on Li : 8/11/2017 2:30 pm : link
right now the 5 most interesting FA to me are Cain, Lucroy (I assume at this point he's gonna need to take a 1 year prove it deal) and 3 tier 2 relievers (McGee/Reed/Gregerson). Hard to envision any better candidates at their respective positions on the trade market and none should break the bank. Would love something creative like the Ozuna/Prado idea, just looking at the general baseball landscape there aren't very many catchers or centerfielders out there with more upside than Cain or Lucroy.
You are obsessed  
ZGiants98 : 8/11/2017 2:37 pm : link
With Lucroy. ;)
I honestly don't know what we'd do with Colón  
ZGiants98 : 8/11/2017 2:39 pm : link
At best he would be a massive question mark coming into the spring and he would be competing with 4-5 other underwhelming candidates. Just doesn't seem like a fit for either party assuming he doesn't retire anyway.
Has anyone checked out Ramos's career  
ZGiants98 : 8/11/2017 2:41 pm : link
ERA in the ninth inning? It's in the zeroes.
The Colon- Mets era ended well. Let's just leave it at that.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/11/2017 2:43 pm : link
He's 43 years old. If you can't find a pitcher you like that's younger than that, that's a bad job by the front office. They were lucky to get what they got out of him. The odds that he will still be effective going forward are even less now.
Why the hell is Salas still clogging a roster spot?  
ZGiants98 : 8/11/2017 2:46 pm : link
Get him the hell off the team! Get McGowen or Regnault up!
RE: I honestly don't know what we'd do with Colón  
Eric on Li : 8/11/2017 2:46 pm : link
In comment 13556457 ZGiants98 said:
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At best he would be a massive question mark coming into the spring and he would be competing with 4-5 other underwhelming candidates. Just doesn't seem like a fit for either party assuming he doesn't retire anyway.


a) they aren't paying Darvish
b) he's durable and don't look now but he's won his last 2 games in Min (4 era in 5 starts)
c) he likes it here and the pitching staff likes him
d) he'd be cheap and already been willing to shift to the bullpen (which other mid-tier starters wouldn't want to do)

He's like our el duque.
I thought Goeddel was finished  
ZGiants98 : 8/11/2017 2:47 pm : link
But he's actually having a nice year so far. 2.43 FIP.
RE: Has anyone checked out Ramos's career  
DanMetroMan : 8/11/2017 2:48 pm : link
In comment 13556459 ZGiants98 said:
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ERA in the ninth inning? It's in the zeroes.


? AJ Ramos career 9th inning era is 2.35
Regnault  
DanMetroMan : 8/11/2017 2:49 pm : link
has walked 20 in 34 innings
RE: RE: I honestly don't know what we'd do with Colón  
ZGiants98 : 8/11/2017 2:50 pm : link
In comment 13556465 Eric on Li said:
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At best he would be a massive question mark coming into the spring and he would be competing with 4-5 other underwhelming candidates. Just doesn't seem like a fit for either party assuming he doesn't retire anyway.



a) they aren't paying Darvish
b) he's durable and don't look now but he's won his last 2 games in Min (4 era in 5 starts)
c) he likes it here and the pitching staff likes him
d) he'd be cheap and already been willing to shift to the bullpen (which other mid-tier starters wouldn't want to do)

He's like our el duque.


Whether they pay Darvish or not has nothing to do with Colon. I'm pretty sure Wheeler and Harvey had two game stretches this year that were good also and they offer a lot more upside. It also doesn't matter if pitchers are willing to move to the pen or not. They are under contract and there are only so many spots. Some of our starters aren't going to have a choice. Sorry. Just don't see it.
RE: RE: Has anyone checked out Ramos's career  
ZGiants98 : 8/11/2017 2:52 pm : link
In comment 13556467 DanMetroMan said:
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ERA in the ninth inning? It's in the zeroes.



? AJ Ramos career 9th inning era is 2.35


I might have had that backwards. Apologies. It was during the broadcast the other night. Might have been in "save opportunities."
PS  
DanMetroMan : 8/11/2017 2:52 pm : link
I predict Darvish clears Lynn's next contract by at LEAST 40 million (that's being conservative).
RE: Regnault  
ZGiants98 : 8/11/2017 2:54 pm : link
In comment 13556470 DanMetroMan said:
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has walked 20 in 34 innings


1 week ago he had an ERA/FIP in the 3s in Vegas. Looks like he got touched up recently. You'd rather see Salas over somebody with a 3 era in Vegas all year?
RE: RE: RE: Has anyone checked out Ramos's career  
DanMetroMan : 8/11/2017 2:54 pm : link
In comment 13556478 ZGiants98 said:
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ERA in the ninth inning? It's in the zeroes.



? AJ Ramos career 9th inning era is 2.35



I might have had that backwards. Apologies. It was during the broadcast the other night. Might have been in "save opportunities."


They cited a BS stat. He has a .88 era... in games where he records a save, any "okay" closer is going to have an extremely low era in games they record a save. His era closing out a game is 2.77.
RE: PS  
ZGiants98 : 8/11/2017 2:55 pm : link
In comment 13556479 DanMetroMan said:
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I predict Darvish clears Lynn's next contract by at LEAST 40 million (that's being conservative).


And that's still close enough. If Darvish costs 140 million and Lynn costs 100 million I know which one I'd rather have.
RE: RE: Regnault  
DanMetroMan : 8/11/2017 2:55 pm : link
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has walked 20 in 34 innings



1 week ago he had an ERA/FIP in the 3s in Vegas. Looks like he got touched up recently. You'd rather see Salas over somebody with a 3 era in Vegas all year?


I didn't even want Salas back so you are talking to the wrong guy. We will see Callahan shortly, McGowan will be a 40 man consideration so they may give him a look (he has SO bad this spring that they may have seen enough/not think much of him)
AJ Ramos  
Metnut : 8/11/2017 2:56 pm : link
has a FIP over 4 and his ERA matches that. That's horrific for a late inning reliever. If he can't cut his BB/9 he's going to drive us nuts in big games next year.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Has anyone checked out Ramos's career  
ZGiants98 : 8/11/2017 2:56 pm : link
In comment 13556483 DanMetroMan said:
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ERA in the ninth inning? It's in the zeroes.



? AJ Ramos career 9th inning era is 2.35



I might have had that backwards. Apologies. It was during the broadcast the other night. Might have been in "save opportunities."



They cited a BS stat. He has a .88 era... in games where he records a save, any "okay" closer is going to have an extremely low era in games they record a save. His era closing out a game is 2.77.


That's exactly what it was. 0.88. Thanks for the clarification. 2.77 is still aces for me.
RE: AJ Ramos  
ZGiants98 : 8/11/2017 2:57 pm : link
In comment 13556489 Metnut said:
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has a FIP over 4 and his ERA matches that. That's horrific for a late inning reliever. If he can't cut his BB/9 he's going to drive us nuts in big games next year.


Career 2.85 ERA and 3.27 FIP. I'd trust the bigger sample. He's a fine setup man.
Just  
DanMetroMan : 8/11/2017 2:59 pm : link
for context Armando Benitez 0.99 era in games where he recorded a save

RE: RE: RE: Regnault  
ZGiants98 : 8/11/2017 2:59 pm : link
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has walked 20 in 34 innings



1 week ago he had an ERA/FIP in the 3s in Vegas. Looks like he got touched up recently. You'd rather see Salas over somebody with a 3 era in Vegas all year?



I didn't even want Salas back so you are talking to the wrong guy. We will see Callahan shortly, McGowan will be a 40 man consideration so they may give him a look (he has SO bad this spring that they may have seen enough/not think much of him)


My point was Salas needs to be gone and his spot needs to be given to a young guy. Who that is? I don't care.
RE: Just  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/11/2017 3:00 pm : link
In comment 13556496 DanMetroMan said:
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for context Armando Benitez 0.99 era in games where he recorded a save


Ahahahahaha, 'Mando. Time flies.
RE: Just  
ZGiants98 : 8/11/2017 3:00 pm : link
In comment 13556496 DanMetroMan said:
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for context Armando Benitez 0.99 era in games where he recorded a save


Benitez was a fantastic closer so that's nice to hear.
I'm  
DanMetroMan : 8/11/2017 3:00 pm : link
just saying it's a silly stat to value if thats what they did. You aren't going to be recording saves with a high era in those games. It's nearly "impossible" to do.
Show  
DanMetroMan : 8/11/2017 3:03 pm : link
me any closer that closed for any period of time and you will find extremely low era's in games they recorded a save. It's not my "opinion" it's just logic. Ricky Bottalico 1.03 era when recording a save ( just checked him because I saw his name with Benitez).
I agree with you...  
ZGiants98 : 8/11/2017 3:10 pm : link
Said I heard it in on the broadcast and may have misheard it.. and it was definitely the case. Good news, an ERA in the 2s for the 9th inning is stilll very good.
RE: RE: AJ Ramos  
Metnut : 8/11/2017 3:46 pm : link
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has a FIP over 4 and his ERA matches that. That's horrific for a late inning reliever. If he can't cut his BB/9 he's going to drive us nuts in big games next year.



Career 2.85 ERA and 3.27 FIP. I'd trust the bigger sample. He's a fine setup man.


Fair enough. I've made similar arguments against Bruce. He hasn't really passed the eye test for me so far though either.

Flores in the lineup again tonight. No Nimmo or Lagares though. Hopefully Flores keeps hitting and keeps playing.
Pretty cool tweet  
pjcas18 : 8/11/2017 3:50 pm : link
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Michael Mayer‏ @mikemayerMMO 8h8 hours ago

The Mets lineup tonight is going to include Amed Rosario, Dominic Smith and Michael Conforto. That's pretty exciting.
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Michael Mayer‏ @mikemayerMMO 20s21 seconds ago

It's been 806 days since Rosario, Conforto and Smith were in the same lineup for the @stluciemets on May 28, 2015.
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Flores and Lugo  
pjcas18 : 8/11/2017 3:53 pm : link
also in lineup, 5 of 9 drafted by the Mets or IFA Mets signings.

Forget Darvish  
Shecky : 8/11/2017 4:22 pm : link
Forget Lynn
More likely a Cahill signing, at best.
Would have been cool to give Nimmo a start  
ZGiants98 : 8/11/2017 4:26 pm : link
3 Sandy first round picks in the same lineup would have been neat.
RE: Forget Darvish  
Eric on Li : 8/11/2017 4:33 pm : link
In comment 13556576 Shecky said:
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Forget Lynn
More likely a Cahill signing, at best.


#bringbackbart
Its way too early to even guess  
Shecky : 8/11/2017 4:43 pm : link
But my guess is starters are an after thought this offseason.
But instead starters with good stuff but not equal success who might be having trouble signing elsewhere. Might be sold on the idea of coming here, working with Warthen and Viola. With an outside shot at a rotation spot, with two fallbacks of the bullpen and AAA depth.

A good agent would see that as a career turning opportunity. A bad agent would sign for ten cents more from someone else and the kid is out of baseball in a year or two.
RE: Its way too early to even guess  
Eric on Li : 8/11/2017 4:48 pm : link
In comment 13556601 Shecky said:
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But my guess is starters are an after thought this offseason.
But instead starters with good stuff but not equal success who might be having trouble signing elsewhere. Might be sold on the idea of coming here, working with Warthen and Viola. With an outside shot at a rotation spot, with two fallbacks of the bullpen and AAA depth.

A good agent would see that as a career turning opportunity. A bad agent would sign for ten cents more from someone else and the kid is out of baseball in a year or two.


Makes a ton of sense. Barring an overpay no established starter is signing here knowing that their spot is in competition with at least 5 guys who at any given time could be better. On the flip side, a guy looking to breakthrough could look favorably at a depth chart with injury prone pitchers on top.
RE: YES!!  
spike : 8/11/2017 5:35 pm : link
In comment 13556074 DanMetroMan said:
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Tommy Milone, on the DL since late May with a sprained knee, made his fourth start for Double-A Binghamton on Wednesday, allowing three runs over 5 2/3 innings.
Milone should be back in the mix for a spot in the Mets' rotation after one more start, though it'd be better if the Mets could stick him in middle relief instead. Overall, he has a 4.20 ERA and a 10/2 K/BB ratio in 15 innings in his rehab assignment.
Aug 11 - 10:51 AM


Long man in the pen and pitch in those blowout losses
Amed  
pjcas18 : 8/11/2017 10:20 pm : link
goes yard to give the Mets the lead.

no idea why they double switched Smith out.
RE: Amed  
Mike in NY : 8/11/2017 10:22 pm : link
In comment 13557423 pjcas18 said:
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goes yard to give the Mets the lead.

no idea why they double switched Smith out.


pitcher due to leadoff next inning and they wanted to get 1 1/3 out of Sewald
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pjcas18 : 8/11/2017 10:25 pm : link
In comment 13557425 Mike in NY said:
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goes yard to give the Mets the lead.

no idea why they double switched Smith out.



pitcher due to leadoff next inning and they wanted to get 1 1/3 out of Sewald


but why Smith? Why not one of the older guys? like walker?
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Mike in NY : 8/11/2017 10:27 pm : link
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goes yard to give the Mets the lead.

no idea why they double switched Smith out.



pitcher due to leadoff next inning and they wanted to get 1 1/3 out of Sewald



but why Smith? Why not one of the older guys? like walker?


Because Walker was batting third the following inning. Rivera made last out and I think they wanted to make sure TdA had complete day off
Sorry  
Mike in NY : 8/11/2017 10:29 pm : link
Rosario had made last out (thought Rivera was hitting 8th)
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pjcas18 : 8/11/2017 10:30 pm : link
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goes yard to give the Mets the lead.

no idea why they double switched Smith out.



pitcher due to leadoff next inning and they wanted to get 1 1/3 out of Sewald



but why Smith? Why not one of the older guys? like walker?



Because Walker was batting third the following inning. Rivera made last out and I think they wanted to make sure TdA had complete day off


Oh well, at this point I'd rather see players like Smith get at-bats than sewald pitch 1 1/3 innings.
I love when I see shecky confirm all of our  
bhill410 : 8/12/2017 2:04 am : link
Fears that starters will be an after thought. every one of us here and every one who has a lick of common sense knows that the problem with this team is starting pitching, yet we also all know in our hearts that starting pitching is expsnsive and that this front office and this ownership group aren't going to spend when they can point to upside in current roster. So shecky has also indicated that they aren't spending any money on front line relievers either.

Sooooooooo with upwards of what 60-70 million in payroll being freed up what exactly are we going to spend money on? My bet is one 10-14 million per position player, plus one 4-6 million starter who could go to pen, and one 4-5 reliever and they call it a day. Which would put us back in bottom third of payroll and make us all explode as Sethfromastoria comes on and lectures us about some bs.
RE: I love when I see shecky confirm all of our  
Mike in NY : 8/12/2017 6:52 am : link
In comment 13557621 bhill410 said:
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Fears that starters will be an after thought. every one of us here and every one who has a lick of common sense knows that the problem with this team is starting pitching, yet we also all know in our hearts that starting pitching is expsnsive and that this front office and this ownership group aren't going to spend when they can point to upside in current roster. So shecky has also indicated that they aren't spending any money on front line relievers either.

Sooooooooo with upwards of what 60-70 million in payroll being freed up what exactly are we going to spend money on? My bet is one 10-14 million per position player, plus one 4-6 million starter who could go to pen, and one 4-5 reliever and they call it a day. Which would put us back in bottom third of payroll and make us all explode as Sethfromastoria comes on and lectures us about some bs.


I am all for building from within, but to do that you actually need to spend in the draft, not leaving substantial money on the table because you overdrafted college bats in Rounds 3 and 5 whose profiles scream 4th OF because they would sign below slot and then take senior relievers in Rounds 6-10.
I mean I believe they spent their allocated  
bhill410 : 8/12/2017 10:41 am : link
Budget in the draft or damn near close (DMM would know exact amount). Dans issue is more with allocation of budget, this year they way over paid for second round pick which essentially resulted in only having three draft picks in first 10 rounds who have a shot. It's kind of whether you prefer a small amount of high upside or a bunch of medium upside.
They  
DanMetroMan : 8/12/2017 11:52 am : link
spent all but 3,000, technically they could have spent more (5% without taxation) but yeah they spent 4.4 million on the first 2 picks out of 6.46 million in pool money for the first 10 rounds. So picks 3-10 combined to get less than 2 million combined.
,  
DanMetroMan : 8/12/2017 11:54 am : link
Ryder Ryan debuted. Gave up 3 runs on 4 hits and a walk in two innings. 2 strikeouts

Adonis Uceta 2 IP 1 H 2 k

Drew Smith 1 IP 1 H 1 R (Solo HR to Yu-Cheng Chang)

Gsellman 6 IP 3 H 1 Bb 5 K

David Peterson 1.2 IP 2 H 1 BB 3 K (39 pitches)
Dan your favorite 3B prospect is showing signs of life  
Eric on Li : 8/12/2017 1:02 pm : link
I went down a fangraphs rabbit hole yesterday and saw this article from June, apparently Thompson found a glove. Over the last 3 months he's posted an .820 ops and for the season he's back to being a league average hitter. I know he appears older for the level, but his age has always been skewed from attempting CFB and the injury issues. Hopefully he can finish the year strong.

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As a professional, Thompson’s profile has nearly inverted. He was worth +10 runs at third over 50 games at short-season Brooklyn in 2015 according to Clay Davenport’s fielding metrics. Last year, Thompson produced +12 runs defensively in 45 games at Low-A Columbia by that same measure. Baseball Prospectus’s methodology has also consistently rated Thompson an above-average defender.

As for the offense, however, that hasn’t translated as well to the pro game. While some of Thompson’s end-of-season lines have been fine, he’s failed to exhibit both the contact skills and game power that defined his appeal as a collegiate — until this past week, that is. Indeed, in the 21 plate appearances since last Friday’s edition of the Five, the 23-year-old has recorded a 4:2 walk-to-strikeout ratio at Double-A Binghamton while also hitting two doubles and three home runs. Building off either that run of contact or of power would — in combination with the defense — point to future major-league success.

The Fringe Five: Baseball’s Most Compelling Fringe Prospects - ( New Window )
To  
DanMetroMan : 8/12/2017 2:33 pm : link
Be clear I've never rooted against Thompson. He's just been extremely underwhelming for a potential starting 3B prospect
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