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DanMetroMan : 8/10/2017 5:17 pm
@TheRealSmith22 Congrats! #DomTime #Mets
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It can't be overstated how important these final 2 months are  
Chris684 : 8/11/2017 9:32 am : link
for a franchise that rightly believes it can compete again next season. Moves will definitely need to be made however, and they only way to truly know what they are going to need is to see more of what the young guys can do.
Can anyone say with a straight face  
ZGiants98 : 8/11/2017 9:38 am : link
Flores can't hit 30 HR in full time duty with a wRC+ around 115-120? If Smith blows I could actually see Flo at 1B where his defense is a +.
Flores has been hitting righties this year  
ZGiants98 : 8/11/2017 9:39 am : link
So you can throw that old narrative out.
I'd  
DanMetroMan : 8/11/2017 9:39 am : link
give the Brewers Grandy/Walker at this point. I have a few "D-list" names I'd take (Wang, Perrin-good potential AAA/MLB rotation depth etc) but I'd like to see Nimmo get consistent ab's. Lets see if he's a reliable 4th OF. It's not just about being able to pinch hit etc. It's about being able to plug him in there for a week if someone is dinged. Lets find out.
RE: Flores has been hitting righties this year  
DanMetroMan : 8/11/2017 9:42 am : link
In comment 13555836 ZGiants98 said:
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So you can throw that old narrative out.


He should play every day from here on out. If there is ANY value to sucking it's playing time for "question marks". Is Flores an every day guy? What is Nimmo? What is 2018 Lagares? Is Jamie Callahan a guy we can count on for 2018? etc
I get the comparison  
ZGiants98 : 8/11/2017 9:45 am : link
But I would be bummed if Smith turned into Dimitri Young. Young was an awful defensive player and outside of maybe one year, was a pretty crappy hitter. As a top 10 pick, I'm hoping for more out of Smith.
RE: RE: Flores has been hitting righties this year  
ZGiants98 : 8/11/2017 9:45 am : link
In comment 13555840 DanMetroMan said:
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So you can throw that old narrative out.



He should play every day from here on out. If there is ANY value to sucking it's playing time for "question marks". Is Flores an every day guy? What is Nimmo? What is 2018 Lagares? Is Jamie Callahan a guy we can count on for 2018? etc


Yup. Agree 100%
I love Granderson...  
ZGiants98 : 8/11/2017 9:52 am : link
One of my all time favorite Mets at this point. I actually hope we can bring him back for the bench next year (something he has suggested he might be open to) but he can't be getting starts anymore this year. He just can't.
My offseason is...  
ZGiants98 : 8/11/2017 9:58 am : link
Moose, Bruce, and McGee.

I'm not even a huge Moose fan. I think he is overrated, has started to decline, and will be an overpay but I think Sandy will want a calming, veteran presence over at 3B. It's been too long. I think Conforto eventually will move to a corner but he's young and can handle CF for a few years IMO.

1.) Conforto L
2.) Rosario R
3.) Mustakas L
4.) Cespedes R
5.) Bruce L
6.) Flores R
7.) Smith L
8.) TDA R

Bench. Nimmo, Lagares, Reyes, TJ, Plawecki
RE: I get the comparison  
DanMetroMan : 8/11/2017 10:01 am : link
In comment 13555843 ZGiants98 said:
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But I would be bummed if Smith turned into Dimitri Young. Young was an awful defensive player and outside of maybe one year, was a pretty crappy hitter. As a top 10 pick, I'm hoping for more out of Smith.


Dmitri Young was not a crappy hitter that is absurd. 10 year run of a .295/.350/.488-.838. On what planet is that "pretty crappy"? For comparisons sake Lucas Duda career .805 OPS. Jose Abreu has a .839 OPS, Matt Carpenter .841
Young  
DanMetroMan : 8/11/2017 10:02 am : link
was such a crappy hitter than he made the all-star team twice. Weird.
Wuilmer  
DanMetroMan : 8/11/2017 10:08 am : link
Becerra .319 slugging%. He's going to be removed from the 40 man for sure. Not a big leaguer. His teammate Peter Alonso needs to be promoted already .364 with 2 homers and 8 walks over his last 10
The  
DanMetroMan : 8/11/2017 10:09 am : link
opposing team is promoting Harvey's rehab start lol

It looks like  
Metnut : 8/11/2017 10:13 am : link
we're all on the same page for rest of this season. Let's get Nimmo, Lagares, Flores, Rosario and Smith as many ABs as possible.

A Nimmo/Lagares CF platoon seems pretty enticing to me (if we used $$$ to upgrade elsewhere and signed another OF bat for depth) but let's see these guys stay healthy for a few months and play well before we can even begin to seriously contemplate it.
It  
DanMetroMan : 8/11/2017 10:16 am : link
wouldn't be outrageous to suggest we could see Rosario/Guillorme up the middle to finish the season. We should see some promotions soon. Alonso to AA, Oberste to AAA, Guillorme replacing Rosario etc.
RE: Can anyone say with a straight face  
pjcas18 : 8/11/2017 10:17 am : link
In comment 13555835 ZGiants98 said:
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Flores can't hit 30 HR in full time duty with a wRC+ around 115-120? If Smith blows I could actually see Flo at 1B where his defense is a +.


I've railed against the Mets treatment of Flores since they began yanking him around the diamond and platooning him - criminal.

He and Mejia I cited as prime examples of the FO/MGR overthinking things. Mejia was clearly a starter IMO, but that ship has sailed.

Flores should be a lineup regular. He should start 150+ games. based on current personnel.


Between Flores, Conforto, Cespedes, Rosario and Smith (just those 5) the Mets should get enough offense (and power) at least two of the other 3 positions can/should be defensive-first additions.

So CF and 3B (if you assume Flores is 2B) and TDA holds his own offensively at C. And I get 3B is not normally a defensive position, it's a corner IF spot, but my grand plan is 2018 is a stop gap year where the Mets patchwork 3B until they can make a play for Machado and if they're not in on Machado, Machado being available could open up other 3B options.

RE: It looks like  
DanMetroMan : 8/11/2017 10:18 am : link
In comment 13555895 Metnut said:
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we're all on the same page for rest of this season. Let's get Nimmo, Lagares, Flores, Rosario and Smith as many ABs as possible.

A Nimmo/Lagares CF platoon seems pretty enticing to me (if we used $$$ to upgrade elsewhere and signed another OF bat for depth) but let's see these guys stay healthy for a few months and play well before we can even begin to seriously contemplate it.


I wouldn't do it. Lagares/Nimmo are both beyond injury prone. Can't rely on those 2 as your starting "CF". It's not as if they have a CO in the minors who can step in if Conforto has to move back to CF. The cupboard is bare in terms of OF's.
For  
DanMetroMan : 8/11/2017 10:23 am : link
context Nimmo has played 100 or more games.. ONCE in his career. Lagares has played more than 130 games twice (including once in the minors). Both should be viewed as potential 4/5th OF's for sure. Starting CF? Good luck.
Totally reasonable Dan  
Metnut : 8/11/2017 10:25 am : link
I'm not signing up for it either. I'm saying, let's see how they do the next 2 months so we have more information going into the offseason.

There's a ton of FA OFs on the market too and none of them are top-tier guys who would break the bank and should be available for a short term deal.
Nimmo  
DanMetroMan : 8/11/2017 10:29 am : link
is likely going to have to deal with knee issues for the remainder of his career. I'm just suggesting I think it would be a poor decision relying on these 2 are "regulars". Both can help the Mets if used correctly but the Mets need to learn from 2017 and not expect injury prone players to suddenly be healthy. Outside the box (and not the Mets way) but I'd love to call the Marlins and agree to take on money (Prado/Volquez who is out for the season) + talent (obviously) for Ozuna. Or a move LIKE that.
RE: The  
Shecky : 8/11/2017 10:33 am : link
In comment 13555892 DanMetroMan said:
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opposing team is promoting Harvey's rehab start lol


First glance of that picture, and it worried me...

It's actually extremely common for minor league teams to promote anything and everything to get a couple extra ticket sales. Virtually every road game Tebow has played all season has advertised that he's playing.
RE: Nimmo  
Metnut : 8/11/2017 10:41 am : link
In comment 13555925 DanMetroMan said:
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is likely going to have to deal with knee issues for the remainder of his career. I'm just suggesting I think it would be a poor decision relying on these 2 are "regulars". Both can help the Mets if used correctly but the Mets need to learn from 2017 and not expect injury prone players to suddenly be healthy. Outside the box (and not the Mets way) but I'd love to call the Marlins and agree to take on money (Prado/Volquez who is out for the season) + talent (obviously) for Ozuna. Or a move LIKE that.


The phillies supposedly tried to take both Yelich along with eating Stanton's money. Stanton's contract is rough but he's still really good. I Miami is waiting for new ownership before doing anything like that.

If you think my idea to sign Wade Davis will never happen, the Mets taking on a ton of dead money is just as unlikely IMO. I like your idea in a vacuum though. Ozuna is great.
RE: RE: Nimmo  
DanMetroMan : 8/11/2017 10:43 am : link
In comment 13555941 Metnut said:
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is likely going to have to deal with knee issues for the remainder of his career. I'm just suggesting I think it would be a poor decision relying on these 2 are "regulars". Both can help the Mets if used correctly but the Mets need to learn from 2017 and not expect injury prone players to suddenly be healthy. Outside the box (and not the Mets way) but I'd love to call the Marlins and agree to take on money (Prado/Volquez who is out for the season) + talent (obviously) for Ozuna. Or a move LIKE that.



The phillies supposedly tried to take both Yelich along with eating Stanton's money. Stanton's contract is rough but he's still really good. I Miami is waiting for new ownership before doing anything like that.

If you think my idea to sign Wade Davis will never happen, the Mets taking on a ton of dead money is just as unlikely IMO. I like your idea in a vacuum though. Ozuna is great.


Oh I fully admit the Mets taking on significant money in a trade ie Volquez "dead" money etc is unlikely to happen. It's just the kind of thing I would look into if I ran the team. Ces/Ozuna/Conforto... drool.
Has  
DanMetroMan : 8/11/2017 10:45 am : link
struggled recently but-"I don't know if he's going to be a frontline guy; he's probably not going to be a star, but he can be a good player," said a Mets talent evaluator who has watched Nido this season.


Officials saying  
ZGiants98 : 8/11/2017 11:31 am : link
Yankees offered nothing "substantial" and are playing games in the media.
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.  
DanMetroMan : 8/11/2017 11:33 am : link
Callahan, 22, is now the Mets’ No. 29 prospect, according to MLB.com. In the span of a couple days, he went from living in Pawtucket, Rhode Island, to moving across the country to Las Vegas.
“It’s bittersweet when you’ve been with an organization your whole career and you have a lot of friends, you know a lot of people and they’ve been good to me and you find out that you’ve been traded and you’re happy, you’re excited,” Callahan said. “It’s a great opportunity but at the same time you’re kind of torn. You’ve got your friends that you’re leaving and you’re heading to a new place and so it’s kind of bittersweet.”
Though surprising, Callahan expressed a lot of excitement about the move.
Callahan joined the 51s during their longest homestand of the season and has some time to get acclimated to the city. Though he said he hasn’t seen a lot more just the hotel he has been staying at, he did venture down to The Venetian.
“It was like a little Italy. … It was sick. I got to see the boats,” Callahan said. “I’m from a small town in South Carolina. I was like ‘Whoa. This is cool.’ I’ve never seen anything like this before.”
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RE: RE: I get the comparison  
ZGiants98 : 8/11/2017 11:35 am : link
In comment 13555875 DanMetroMan said:
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But I would be bummed if Smith turned into Dimitri Young. Young was an awful defensive player and outside of maybe one year, was a pretty crappy hitter. As a top 10 pick, I'm hoping for more out of Smith.



Dmitri Young was not a crappy hitter that is absurd. 10 year run of a .295/.350/.488-.838. On what planet is that "pretty crappy"? For comparisons sake Lucas Duda career .805 OPS. Jose Abreu has a .839 OPS, Matt Carpenter .841


First, I said outside of one year (2007?) so maybe it's two.... but a career wRC+ of 112 from 1B with crappy D is not going to satisfy me. Depends on what you are talking about though. "Career Young" or "Peak Young"
I'm  
DanMetroMan : 8/11/2017 11:46 am : link
not looking to get into a prolonged argument on a Friday about Dmitri Young. I said Smith reminded me of him offensively. I didn't say he's his clone. Young averaged 20 homers, 36 doubles over 162 and from 97-2005 averaged 16 homers and 30 doubles while hitting .291 with a .348 OBP. 1998 he had 48 doubles and 14 homers while hitting .310. He had a 4 season stretch where he hit .304/.353/.488 averaging 17 homers, 36 doubles and only 81 k's per season. If that kind of player is going to disappoint you then I would prepare yourself to be disappointed. I didn't say Smith can't outproduce Dmitri Young but to call him a crappy hitter who had 1 good season is flat out false I'm sorry.
Curious  
DanMetroMan : 8/11/2017 11:51 am : link
to see if Harvey has enough time to come back and add some trade value. Teams inquired at the deadline.
I'm not looking to argue either...  
ZGiants98 : 8/11/2017 11:52 am : link
If you're bringing up "4 year stretches" or even "10 year stretches" that explains your point better. If your looking more to what he did in his peak years.. great. I agree. My point was more about the whole. If Smith is a wRC+ 112 guy with crappy D I'm not going to be happy. That's all I was saying.
RE: RE: Can anyone say with a straight face  
ZGiants98 : 8/11/2017 11:58 am : link
In comment 13555903 pjcas18 said:
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Flores can't hit 30 HR in full time duty with a wRC+ around 115-120? If Smith blows I could actually see Flo at 1B where his defense is a +.



I've railed against the Mets treatment of Flores since they began yanking him around the diamond and platooning him - criminal.

He and Mejia I cited as prime examples of the FO/MGR overthinking things. Mejia was clearly a starter IMO, but that ship has sailed.

Flores should be a lineup regular. He should start 150+ games. based on current personnel.


Between Flores, Conforto, Cespedes, Rosario and Smith (just those 5) the Mets should get enough offense (and power) at least two of the other 3 positions can/should be defensive-first additions.

So CF and 3B (if you assume Flores is 2B) and TDA holds his own offensively at C. And I get 3B is not normally a defensive position, it's a corner IF spot, but my grand plan is 2018 is a stop gap year where the Mets patchwork 3B until they can make a play for Machado and if they're not in on Machado, Machado being available could open up other 3B options.


I agree. I think Flores has earned the right to be an everyday player. I think he's better on the right side of the infield due to his erratic arm. I'd give him a real look at 2B and also let him platoon with Smith here and there.
.  
DanMetroMan : 8/11/2017 11:59 am : link
@fangraphs piece on Dom Smith being promoted #Mets
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RE: Curious  
pjcas18 : 8/11/2017 12:02 pm : link
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to see if Harvey has enough time to come back and add some trade value. Teams inquired at the deadline.


How does the arbitration process work?

Are players like Harvey who were injured and awful guaranteed raises?

I believe Harvey is arb eligible this off-season so I'm curious if there is precedent to reduce salary in an arbitration case (should it even get that far) or if it's just mandatory for a salary increase.
RE: RE: Curious  
DanMetroMan : 8/11/2017 12:04 pm : link
In comment 13556060 pjcas18 said:
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to see if Harvey has enough time to come back and add some trade value. Teams inquired at the deadline.



How does the arbitration process work?

Are players like Harvey who were injured and awful guaranteed raises?

I believe Harvey is arb eligible this off-season so I'm curious if there is precedent to reduce salary in an arbitration case (should it even get that far) or if it's just mandatory for a salary increase.


Harvey is "guaranteed" a raise in the sense that I think there have been 3 arbitration reductions in the last 20-30 years (some crazy stretch like that) and while Harvey has been really bad, they use 3 years to judge players. How much raise is ?? but he'll make more in 2018 than he did in 2017.
YES!!  
DanMetroMan : 8/11/2017 12:07 pm : link
Tommy Milone, on the DL since late May with a sprained knee, made his fourth start for Double-A Binghamton on Wednesday, allowing three runs over 5 2/3 innings.
Milone should be back in the mix for a spot in the Mets' rotation after one more start, though it'd be better if the Mets could stick him in middle relief instead. Overall, he has a 4.20 ERA and a 10/2 K/BB ratio in 15 innings in his rehab assignment.
Aug 11 - 10:51 AM
Might as well keep  
Metnut : 8/11/2017 12:12 pm : link
rolling with Flex and Montero until Harvey and thor come back. Flex doesn't look good up in MLB but it'll be a good learning experience for when he goes back to the minors.

Montero is a hard guy to figure out. He's missing bats at a close to elite level and cut down a bit on the BBs, but is still giving up a lot of hard contact.
Actually scratch that...  
Metnut : 8/11/2017 12:13 pm : link
when Gsellmen is ready he should take Flex's spot.
RE: Officials saying  
Shecky : 8/11/2017 12:17 pm : link
In comment 13556005 ZGiants98 said:
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Yankees offered nothing "substantial" and are playing games in the media. Link - ( New Window )


LOL, told you this wouldn't go over well
Harvey and arbitration  
Shecky : 8/11/2017 12:18 pm : link
It will piss people off that the system is messed up that a Harvey gets a raise. But the alternative view is that he will be less underpaid...
RE: RE: Officials saying  
ZGiants98 : 8/11/2017 12:48 pm : link
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Yankees offered nothing "substantial" and are playing games in the media. Link - ( New Window )



LOL, told you this wouldn't go over well


It's what I believed all along. The leaks were clearly coming from them and there was a "purpose" behind it. The Yankees quibbling over a million bucks and claiming they were giving us such a better package smelled like BS from the beginning.
I wouldn't be surprised if Harvey goes  
ZGiants98 : 8/11/2017 12:52 pm : link
Balls to the wall this offseason. What's his alternative? It's his walk year and he's a Boras client. Fatigue was one of the issues this year coming off TOS. I could see him dedicating the offseason to getting the arm back to peak condition. Not getting my hopes up but it wouldn't shock me either.
RE: I wouldn't be surprised if Harvey goes  
Metnut : 8/11/2017 12:56 pm : link
In comment 13556231 ZGiants98 said:
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Balls to the wall this offseason. What's his alternative? It's his walk year and he's a Boras client. Fatigue was one of the issues this year coming off TOS. I could see him dedicating the offseason to getting the arm back to peak condition. Not getting my hopes up but it wouldn't shock me either.


Agreed except.... my hopes are up!
I'd like to see Lugo in the pen as the long man for the rest of the  
ZGiants98 : 8/11/2017 1:06 pm : link
Year. I think that's his eventual role. Flexen can take some lumps in Vegas. My rotation would be deGrom, Matz, Harvey, Gsellman, and Montero to close out the year.

I know everyone hates Montero and the results haven't been there but his stuff truly looks a million times better. He's been routinely hitting 95/96 mph. He had a nice little stretch going a few weeks ago. Keep running him out there.
We need to find answers (and mix in some veterans)  
Chris684 : 8/11/2017 1:16 pm : link
for CF, 2b and 3b. I'm going to be positive and assume for now that TDA can at least be decent. This also assumes obviously that they want MC in right every day, so Bruce is not an option.

Do they go with a Nimmo/Lagares platoon in CF and focus on bringing in Moustakas?

Do they bring in Cain for CF and leave Flo at 3b?

Regardless of what the Yankees say I'm still concerned about Walker's back and don't feel comfortable giving him a multi-year deal. Can TJ play 2nd? What are other options there?

I think there is so much youth that you really need at least one veteran acquisition to plug some of these holes.
RE: I wouldn't be surprised if Harvey goes  
pjcas18 : 8/11/2017 1:29 pm : link
In comment 13556231 ZGiants98 said:
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Balls to the wall this offseason. What's his alternative? It's his walk year and he's a Boras client. Fatigue was one of the issues this year coming off TOS. I could see him dedicating the offseason to getting the arm back to peak condition. Not getting my hopes up but it wouldn't shock me either.


No clue if balls to the wall is even possible with Harvey, he could be one of a long line of pitchers who glimpsed greatness and flamed out like the Mark Prior's of the world. Baseball is littered with them.

Hope it's not the case with Harvey, but it very well could be.
MLB  
DanMetroMan : 8/11/2017 1:47 pm : link
Execs are predicting Darvish will get more than 25 million per at 5-6 years
RE: RE: I wouldn't be surprised if Harvey goes  
ZGiants98 : 8/11/2017 2:22 pm : link
In comment 13556315 pjcas18 said:
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Balls to the wall this offseason. What's his alternative? It's his walk year and he's a Boras client. Fatigue was one of the issues this year coming off TOS. I could see him dedicating the offseason to getting the arm back to peak condition. Not getting my hopes up but it wouldn't shock me either.



No clue if balls to the wall is even possible with Harvey, he could be one of a long line of pitchers who glimpsed greatness and flamed out like the Mark Prior's of the world. Baseball is littered with them.

Hope it's not the case with Harvey, but it very well could be.


Yeah. I'll head into the season with zero expectations, as I did this year. If he surprises? Great. He was still hitting 96 early in games this year so I find it hard to believe he wouldn't be passable in the pen even as a worst case scenario. I do think it's plausible a guy coming off TOS might have had some strength issues or "atrophy" or whatever. A full healthy offseason might help him.
I'm probably alone..  
ZGiants98 : 8/11/2017 2:26 pm : link
And the backend of the contract probably will end up sucking... but I'd offer Yu Darvish 5 years and a 120 million. I have a feeling somebody like Lynn is going to cost almost as much. Darvish's age works against him.

I just don't see anyone in our rotation getting a big deal anytime soon. I don't have a problem paying one guy big money.
Man...  
ZGiants98 : 8/11/2017 2:30 pm : link
Syndergaard
DeGrom
Darvish
Matz (yes I still believe he finishes strong)
Harvey, Wheeler, Lugo, Gsellman, Montero, Flexen

Would be fine by me!
This may seem like a joke but I'd totally bring back Colon next year  
Eric on Li : 8/11/2017 2:30 pm : link
right now the 5 most interesting FA to me are Cain, Lucroy (I assume at this point he's gonna need to take a 1 year prove it deal) and 3 tier 2 relievers (McGee/Reed/Gregerson). Hard to envision any better candidates at their respective positions on the trade market and none should break the bank. Would love something creative like the Ozuna/Prado idea, just looking at the general baseball landscape there aren't very many catchers or centerfielders out there with more upside than Cain or Lucroy.
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