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NFT: Do you have a preferred airliner you fly?

Sean : 8/11/2017 9:48 am
I assume most of you have some sort of miles credit cards that either may be affiliated with an airline or just generic. I haven't done a ton of traveling, so I just always go with the best deal. My wife & I are going to Florida in October and Frontier has some good round trip rates from Trenton-ORL. How do you handle it? Best deal or specific airline?
Price.  
Marty in Albany : 8/11/2017 9:57 am : link
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American  
armstead98 : 8/11/2017 9:58 am : link
I fly every week for work out of dallas so have the highest status with them. Unless you're flying often, probably at least once per month, I don't think it really helps to just stick with one and I'd just pick the best deal.
Price is definitely a major consideration,  
Section331 : 8/11/2017 10:02 am : link
but you should also consider which airport you're most likely to use. I fly out of Newark almost exclusively if I can, so I use United at every opportunity (no, I haven't been beaten up...yet!). I'll fly United unless the price difference is considerable.
Last month I flew Spirit to Fort Lauderdale  
Larry in Pencilvania : 8/11/2017 10:02 am : link
And felt like cattle shoved into pens after getting nickeled and dimed to death. Now next month I'm going to fly JetBlue as they won't charge me $45 to use the bathroom
If I have a choice  
pjcas18 : 8/11/2017 10:03 am : link
and no status on the airlines I fly jetblue.

seats all have TV's, no first class (not that first class bothers me, but it speeds up boarding) and they don't have all the ridiculous other levels of status airlines like United or Delta have.

It's mosaic (their only status program), people who buy seats with extra room/early boarding, old people or people with kids under 2, then general boarding.
RE: If I have a choice  
Section331 : 8/11/2017 10:10 am : link
In comment 13555885 pjcas18 said:
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and no status on the airlines I fly jetblue.


Agreed, JetBlue is very good, unfortunately, they don't offer much out of Newark. And going to JFK is like Siberia for me.
Price.  
NoPeanutz : 8/11/2017 10:15 am : link
I find that in terms of service and staff, all the major carriers are either equally diligent or equally delinquent. I've had wonderful experiences and terrible experiences on all. Although in the case of terrible experiences, it's usually related to the general inconvenience and discomfort associated with air travel and the industry at large.

IDGAF about TVs on every seat. In fact, I like it less, since it gives you fewer options, no blue-tooth headphones, poor viewing angles with screen glare and sometimes extra charges. For example, on short flights, United will make you swipe your CC to unlock DirectTV.

I actually prefer the no-TV model, and instead the BYOD-WiFi/in-app model for in-flight entertainment that some of the newer jets have moved to. But I don't think this is specific to any airline, as I recall having it recently on both United and AA.
I've been preferred..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/11/2017 10:15 am : link
on several different airlines and I've been treated the best on Delta, even though I usually need to make connections flying from Charlotte.

Us Airways/American have been the worst to fly with and even though they account for 90% of the flights out of CLT, I try to avoid them when possible.

United has been OK and getting status with them is easy if I take just one flight to China a year with them.

But when I have a choice, I fly Delta.
Southwest  
ZogZerg : 8/11/2017 10:16 am : link
We have a Southwest visa for points. We fly my son to/from school multiple times a year.
We can book multiple flights home for my son and then easily cancel the ones that don't work (once final exam/class schedules are known)- without any penalty. It has worked out well.
American  
bigblue1124 : 8/11/2017 10:22 am : link
But mainly because of miles, my wife travels so often internationally for work on the company dime it just makes sense using them on personal travel with all her points accrued in her personal account. Plus the discounts we receive with one of our credit cards. And honestly the only issues we ever have with them is flying out of NY and Dallas so we try to avoid them when we can.
Timing first (with preference for non-stop)  
Mike in NY : 8/11/2017 10:23 am : link
Followed by price

All else being equal or close to it I will prefer Delta (as Gold Delta Amex gives me 1 free checked bag and Platinum Amex gets me into Sky Club for free) or JetBlue. I refuse to fly Spirit or Frontier (owned by Spirit).
JetBlue domestic and Caribbean  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 8/11/2017 10:24 am : link
Delta transatlantic. I will go out of my way to avoid United even though it is closest to me.
Prefer  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 8/11/2017 10:31 am : link
American.

I've had horrible experiences with United.
Mileage rewards cards are a bad deal for most  
Jim in Fairfax : 8/11/2017 10:35 am : link
Cash rewards cards are the way to go. You can spend cash on anything. You're not tied to particular airlines. It doesn't matter if you travel a little or a lot. You can buy the cheapest fare without worrying about rewards. There are no blackout dates or limited free tickets available.


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JetBlue...  
trueblueinpw : 8/11/2017 10:48 am : link
Every carrier besides JetBlue else seems to have reduced flying to a combination of environmental, physical and spiritual abuse.

Generally, I think commercial air travel is highly sophisticated exercise in how to employ the most wasteful and inefficient systems possible. The TSA and airline security apparatus is an indecent joke. Most air traffic control is arcane and runs on 50 year old tech and spit and glue - its an everyday miracle that the system works at all. Jets themselves are highly inefficient transportation solutions - the environmental cost are legion. The business model has never worked - the old saw is that no airline has ever made a profit - isn't far off the mark. Pretty much, we'd be far better off developing high speed train network - but - dreams and frogs with wings and all that I guess.
Delta right now  
larryflower37 : 8/11/2017 10:51 am : link
last 12 flights have been Delta. I like their comfort class price and on time has been good so far.

I have still have status with United but domestic on time is horrible. If I go overseas it's United.

I fly 3 out of 4 weeks every month out of St. Louis to the east coast only have 3 solid choices United, Delta, and Southwest.
Are you serious???  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/11/2017 11:02 am : link
This is a really off-base comment.

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Generally, I think commercial air travel is highly sophisticated exercise in how to employ the most wasteful and inefficient systems possible. The TSA and airline security apparatus is an indecent joke. Most air traffic control is arcane and runs on 50 year old tech and spit and glue - its an everyday miracle that the system works at all. Jets themselves are highly inefficient transportation solutions - the environmental cost are legion. The business model has never worked - the old saw is that no airline has ever made a profit - isn't far off the mark. Pretty much, we'd be far better off developing high speed train network - but - dreams and frogs with wings and all that I guess.


Air travel is one of the most efficient ways to go from place to place. You can literally go from the US to England in 5 hours for under $1,000. You going to take a high-speed train from NYC to London? Good luck.

I don't know what the age is of the computer systems air traffic uses, but flying is the safest mode of transportation and the coordination to avoid crashes every day of the year at airports that service over a thousand planes truly is a testament to the efficiency of the industry.

Wasteful and inefficient aren't words that really fit the airline industry very well at all.
Alaska Airlines  
Go Terps : 8/11/2017 11:02 am : link
Usually I don't give a shit about the airline and will go with whatever is cheapest. The only time I ever noticed a difference one way or the other was with Alaska Airlines. That company is phenomenal.
RE: Alaska Airlines  
larryflower37 : 8/11/2017 11:06 am : link
In comment 13555966 Go Terps said:
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Usually I don't give a shit about the airline and will go with whatever is cheapest. The only time I ever noticed a difference one way or the other was with Alaska Airlines. That company is phenomenal.


I have a couple of peers that fly out of the Pacific Northwest (Seattle and Portland) and they swear by Alaska airlines.
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Go Terps : 8/11/2017 11:07 am : link
"Wasteful and inefficient aren't words that really fit the airline industry very well at all."

No shit. The words that come to my mind every time are "ridiculously inexpensive", "amazing", and "miraculous". I can't understand complaining about being able to safely and cheaply get anywhere in the world in hours.
RE: RE: Alaska Airlines  
Go Terps : 8/11/2017 11:09 am : link
In comment 13555972 larryflower37 said:
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In comment 13555966 Go Terps said:


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Usually I don't give a shit about the airline and will go with whatever is cheapest. The only time I ever noticed a difference one way or the other was with Alaska Airlines. That company is phenomenal.



I have a couple of peers that fly out of the Pacific Northwest (Seattle and Portland) and they swear by Alaska airlines.


I'll also add that Portland Airport is one of the greatest places in the world.
As long as JetBlue flies where I'm headed I take them  
Stu11 : 8/11/2017 11:11 am : link
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whichever one Sully is flying  
SHO'NUFF : 8/11/2017 11:12 am : link
nowadays
......  
CoughlinHandsonHips : 8/11/2017 11:20 am : link
Southwest for me. Out of BWI they pretty much offer direct flights everywhere
JetBlue, Southwest, Alaska and Delta for International  
Ron from Ninerland : 8/11/2017 11:33 am : link
JetBlue has been great. The only problem for me is that you can't get to that many places from the Bay Area. Alaska and Southwest aren't quite as comfortable but they are easy to deal with.

The last two international flights I took was Delta to Paris and United to Ireland. Delta's economy plus was very good. Decent leg room, excellent food and good service. United was 10 hours of torture.


JetBlue  
MookGiants : 8/11/2017 11:40 am : link
they've always treated me well, I fly enough where I am a Mosaic member which is their highest tier and that gets me two free bags, free alcohol on flights, and no cancellation or change fees. I have to drive 2 hours to new york to fly them, but it's always worth it.
American, and I hate them  
PatersonPlank : 8/11/2017 11:59 am : link
I flew out of my airport every week for over 10 years. They suck, especially the old flight attendants on the international flights. It was like you were in their way as they went on their sightseeing trips. I only flew them for the points/miles.
Jet Blue or Southwest  
Ron Johnson 30 : 8/11/2017 12:01 pm : link
but price always determines my choice
Alaska Airlines  
DennyInDenville : 8/11/2017 12:02 pm : link
Out of Newark, United Airlines.
smallest seats: Spirit  
markky : 8/11/2017 12:03 pm : link
biggest: Alaskan. it's a great airline.



Unless i have status i choose based on comfort of the plane.
Alaska and southwest  
BH28 : 8/11/2017 12:28 pm : link
Southwest for short haul flights, Alaska for medium/long haul flights.
RE: JetBlue...  
gmenatlarge : 8/11/2017 12:29 pm : link
In comment 13555952 trueblueinpw said:
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Every carrier besides JetBlue else seems to have reduced flying to a combination of environmental, physical and spiritual abuse.

Generally, I think commercial air travel is highly sophisticated exercise in how to employ the most wasteful and inefficient systems possible. The TSA and airline security apparatus is an indecent joke. Most air traffic control is arcane and runs on 50 year old tech and spit and glue - its an everyday miracle that the system works at all. Jets themselves are highly inefficient transportation solutions - the environmental cost are legion. The business model has never worked - the old saw is that no airline has ever made a profit - isn't far off the mark. Pretty much, we'd be far better off developing high speed train network - but - dreams and frogs with wings and all that I guess.


Trains over planes, you must be trolling, why not go back to stagecoaches!
Allegiant flies from Trenton to three  
Alan in Toledo : 8/11/2017 12:30 pm : link
Florida cities. My wife and I have used them numerous times -- satisfactorily.
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Danny Kanell : 8/11/2017 12:31 pm : link
Southwest because I live a mile from ISP. Frontier is in there now as well with some pretty low introductory fares so I'll likely try them soon.

JetBlue out of JFK if it's not somewhere Southwest flies. JetBlue is probably pound for pound my favorite airline.
I do take the train  
pjcas18 : 8/11/2017 12:32 pm : link
(acela) any time I go to NYC from Boston, it's just more convenient and reliable.

with traffic it can take me an hour to get to Logan, I try and be there an hour before flight time since they now start boarding 30 min before flight time, then there are delays, and it's an hour flight, so you're talking 3+ hours for really what should be 30 min flying time based on distance.

The train is 3 hours and 15 minutes. I suaually go first class on Aclea and get free drinks, plug in my laptop/devices and work at a table with tons of room, don't have people lined up using the bathroom all flight and if I need the bathroom (rare, I have using public bathrooms) it's not nearly as bad as an airplane bathroom.

security is simple, no stress, no check, I can bring whatever I want on the train.

So if trains were equally convenient I'd definitely ride the rails more.

but long distance it's silly to compare.
RE: Are you serious???  
trueblueinpw : 8/11/2017 12:40 pm : link
In comment 13555965 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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This is a really off-base comment.



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Generally, I think commercial air travel is highly sophisticated exercise in how to employ the most wasteful and inefficient systems possible. The TSA and airline security apparatus is an indecent joke. Most air traffic control is arcane and runs on 50 year old tech and spit and glue - its an everyday miracle that the system works at all. Jets themselves are highly inefficient transportation solutions - the environmental cost are legion. The business model has never worked - the old saw is that no airline has ever made a profit - isn't far off the mark. Pretty much, we'd be far better off developing high speed train network - but - dreams and frogs with wings and all that I guess.



Air travel is one of the most efficient ways to go from place to place. You can literally go from the US to England in 5 hours for under $1,000. You going to take a high-speed train from NYC to London? Good luck.

I don't know what the age is of the computer systems air traffic uses, but flying is the safest mode of transportation and the coordination to avoid crashes every day of the year at airports that service over a thousand planes truly is a testament to the efficiency of the industry.

Wasteful and inefficient aren't words that really fit the airline industry very well at all.


Planes are fast - once they're in the air at least. But beyond point to point speed the system shows problems.

ATC is effective - highly effective - but I don't think you'd find many people that know about ATC who would argue that it's efficient. Most people in the industry point to ATC as the number one problem in the aviation industry.

No, I don't suggest a train to cross the Atlantic. But once you get across the Atlantic you'll find some really terrific high-speed rail networks. Now, there's credible debate about the carbon cost of rails v. planes v. cars. Planes have come a long way, but there's still a lot of concern about the carbon cost. Trains don't solve all problems - not suggesting that either - but jets have serious issues regarding environmental impact.

No sane person would argue in favor of the current airline security model. It is basically an exercise in how to do every single thing wrong. If you're going to argue that point - have at it without me.

The aviation industry has a long history of business inefficiency and exists most due to government subsidies. The pitfall and unique aspects of the aviation business model are well worn roads in B school and E school alike. You can dig into the aviation business model if you like or you can just continue to enjoy the relatively low cost of airline tickets in bliss. Me personally, I'm not going into the airline business and - unlike Buffet who certainly knows more than I do about investing - I'm still not buying stock in any airlines.
Even in Europe..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/11/2017 12:54 pm : link
with access to trains nearly everywhere, the cost of flying isn't much more.

The airline industry isn't perfect and the TSA exists more for public perception than anything else, but the facts are the facts - Airline travel is the safest travel we have. It remains the only viable option to cross the globe and it is relatively inexpensive.

You can wax poetic about why the costs are low an d how the industry is subsidized, but there are subsidies, especially in Europe and Asia regarding the rail system, so this isn't a unique phenomenon.

If you don't view the airline industry as a highly efficient, cost effective and safe means of traveling, then I'm not sure what to say.
FMIC  
trueblueinpw : 8/11/2017 1:45 pm : link
You're absolutely right. Good point! See you at the airport.
Would love to fly something other than JetBlue  
Knineteen : 8/11/2017 2:07 pm : link
but they are always the lowest in price; it's not even close.
RE: Mileage rewards cards are a bad deal for most  
Knineteen : 8/11/2017 2:12 pm : link
In comment 13555934 Jim in Fairfax said:
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Cash rewards cards are the way to go. You can spend cash on anything. You're not tied to particular airlines. It doesn't matter if you travel a little or a lot. You can buy the cheapest fare without worrying about rewards. There are no blackout dates or limited free tickets available.
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I love when people gloat about having X amount of points for future flights...like that point denomination means anything to the rest of us in the real world.

Semi-related: I have 9K reward points in my "TrueBlue" account from JetBlue. Sounds like a lot, huh?
Then I looked up flights light night and that number of points equates to less than $100 in flight credits.
RE: ......  
RobCarpenter : 8/11/2017 2:13 pm : link
In comment 13555990 CoughlinHandsonHips said:
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Southwest for me. Out of BWI they pretty much offer direct flights everywhere


Ditto, seems like any time I want to go somewhere they have the most direct flights, and I hate doing connecting flights. Plus prices are reasonable, I don't mind paying an extra $15 for getting an earlier boarding position.
RE: Allegiant flies from Trenton to three  
Fred-in-Florida : 8/11/2017 2:32 pm : link
In comment 13556166 Alan in Toledo said:
[quote] Florida cities. My wife and I have used them numerous times -- satisfactorily. Link - ( New Window ) [/quote

I fly from Sanford to Allentown probably 3 times a year. Except for the fact they nickel and dime you, charge for seats carry on and check in bags, price is usually good. Because the fly out of smalles airports they are always pretty much on time. No congestion like Newark and Orlando .
lot of Southwest  
Paulie Walnuts : 8/11/2017 2:51 pm : link
Alaska
JetBlue
Hawaiian is the shit if you go to the Islands Pay the money
Virgin America
United...  
EricJ : 8/11/2017 2:55 pm : link
have to stick with them since Newark is the hub and I have 1K status.
Singapore Air, when available.  
Big Blue Blogger : 8/11/2017 4:42 pm : link
Their JFK-->Frankfurt flight is great, because it doesn't really fill up until the Frankfurt-->Singapore leg.

Domestic, I don't really care much. Mostly fly JetBlue and United, which are OK.
RE: RE: Allegiant flies from Trenton to three  
Alan in Toledo : 8/11/2017 4:54 pm : link
In comment 13556446 Fred-in-Florida said:
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In comment 13556166 Alan in Toledo said:
[quote] Florida cities. My wife and I have used them numerous times -- satisfactorily. Link - ( New Window ) [/quote

I fly from Sanford to Allentown probably 3 times a year. Except for the fact they nickel and dime you, charge for seats carry on and check in bags, price is usually good. Because the fly out of smalles airports they are always pretty much on time. No congestion like Newark and Orlando .


See you Oct. 1, Fred
Yes, Southwest. Why? Because one of my kids works in General Counsel  
carpoon : 8/11/2017 5:24 pm : link
there and I fly free.😀😀
Flew them all, and Delta  
Jimmy Googs : 8/12/2017 8:33 am : link
is the best major US carrier...
RE: Are you serious???  
tony stg : 8/12/2017 9:05 am : link
In comment 13555965 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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I don't know what the age is of the computer systems air traffic uses, but flying is the safest mode of transportation and the coordination to avoid crashes every day of the year at airports that service over a thousand planes truly is a testament to the efficiency of the industry.


The current system used at the thru traffic (enroute / ARTCC) centers was initially installed in the mid 2000s (2005-2008) and has been upgraded a couple of times since then.

Of bigger concern to everybody should be the fact that every time you are in a plane over 10,000 feet in the air you are being controlled by stuff I helped design and install. If that doesn't make you want to drive instead of fly, I don't know what will. :-)

RE: RE: Are you serious???  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 8/12/2017 9:19 am : link
In comment 13557707 tony stg said:
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In comment 13555965 FatMan in Charlotte said:


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I don't know what the age is of the computer systems air traffic uses, but flying is the safest mode of transportation and the coordination to avoid crashes every day of the year at airports that service over a thousand planes truly is a testament to the efficiency of the industry.




The current system used at the thru traffic (enroute / ARTCC) centers was initially installed in the mid 2000s (2005-2008) and has been upgraded a couple of times since then.

Of bigger concern to everybody should be the fact that every time you are in a plane over 10,000 feet in the air you are being controlled by stuff I helped design and install. If that doesn't make you want to drive instead of fly, I don't know what will. :-)


You're a Terp fan, what could possibly go wrong?
RE: Prefer  
Vin R : 8/12/2017 9:24 am : link
In comment 13555927 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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American.

I've had horrible experiences with United.


Idle Curiosity Question  
Percy : 8/14/2017 7:37 am : link
Is there an exploitable economic slot between the "first class/business class" and "tourist (cattle car) class" for passenger aircraft configured with more generous seats and space and pricing in the middle somewhere?
Another vote for JetBlue  
aimrocky : 8/14/2017 8:40 am : link
We have their rewards card because the vast majority of our travel is to Tampa. The flight out of Westchester is super convenient and moderately priced. We accrue enough points per year to really cut down on our costs and the free bags are really nice.
RE: Idle Curiosity Question  
Jim in Fairfax : 8/14/2017 12:13 pm : link
In comment 13559468 Percy said:
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Is there an exploitable economic slot between the "first class/business class" and "tourist (cattle car) class" for passenger aircraft configured with more generous seats and space and pricing in the middle somewhere?


Depends on your definition. The majors all have variations of "economy plus" that give you 2-3 inches extra legroom for an extra price. Sometimes there's other small extras like a pillow or guaranteed bin space. But beyond that it's the same seats, food and service.

Otherwise, apparently not. Airlines that have tried gave up on it because customers flock to the lowest fare irrespective of comfort or service.
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