One thing I don't really understand, though - how is the NFL finding evidence that the police didn't? If the league thinks they have the grounds to suspend him based on information they've found, why are there no charges against him?
As a Giants fan, I'd love for him to be suspended. I'm just always skeptical of the way the NFL handles this stuff.
but the notion that everyone views the suspension announcement as just an initial position, and that the length will be reduced, is yet another black eye on the NFL. Makes it all look like a game.
the bar fight, the thing with the girl at St. patrick's day.
Sending a message it's time to grow up
The league doesn't give a shit about any player, only their own image. Goodell is there to protect the Shield and nothing more or less. They likely know that there is some damning evidence that they have awareness of and are getting ahead of it with a harsh punishment. Unless of course there is something more and Elliott goes on the "Commissioners list" thing that popped up out of the blue from the Ray Rice incident. With down ratings last year, and all eyes on the start of the season, they are worried about another domestic violence headcase in the spotlight.
They still have some very good and very capable backs.Alfred Morris has been a thorn in our ass since his days with the Redskins and Darren McFadden is also a good RB.
Like Francesa always says, don't underestimate the type of investigation the NFL can undertake if they so choose. They basically have their own branch of the FBI these days.
I don't think the Ray Rice thing happened because they didnt know of the evidence, but because they were so arrogant they thought they could suspend him the 2 and be done with it.
They obviously will NOT make the same mistake again. 6 games means they have the goods. Would be shocked if this is reduced and totally shocked if it's anything less than 4.
One thing I don't really understand, though - how is the NFL finding evidence that the police didn't? If the league thinks they have the grounds to suspend him based on information they've found, why are there no charges against him?
As a Giants fan, I'd love for him to be suspended. I'm just always skeptical of the way the NFL handles this stuff.
Don't forget that there's a much higher burden for the police, they've got to put together enough evidence and witnesses to support formally charging him with a crime.
Whereas the NFL investigators can pay a few folks off and get enough evidence to know that he was involved, if not 'beyond a reasonable doubt'.
Is anyone else going to remind BBI about McFadden/Morris or ...?
Neither guy is nearly as talented as Elliott. Yes, we can acknowledge that and still understand that beating them won't be a "gimmie" Week 1.
Morris has had a lot of success agai to us without the Dallas line. But this still is good news for games 1.
The vast majority of the damage Alfred Morris did against us was 5 years ago when half the league (including us) couldn't figure out how to stop the read option shit the Redskins were running.
Elliott is a far superior player right now. And don't forget that not everything is all honky-dory in Dallas OL land. Tyron Smith is having some back issues, Collins transition to RT isn't going that smoothly either.
One thing I don't really understand, though - how is the NFL finding evidence that the police didn't? If the league thinks they have the grounds to suspend him based on information they've found, why are there no charges against him?
As a Giants fan, I'd love for him to be suspended. I'm just always skeptical of the way the NFL handles this stuff.
Don't forget that there's a much higher burden for the police, they've got to put together enough evidence and witnesses to support formally charging him with a crime.
Whereas the NFL investigators can pay a few folks off and get enough evidence to know that he was involved, if not 'beyond a reasonable doubt'.
That's true. I just feel like this is a really serious matter and if he really did the stuff the league seems to feel certain he did - this should go beyond just 6 games off of work. This should be something he's criminally charged with. If the NFL could find enough evidence, why can't the police?
holy shit this narrative needs to stop, the Cowboys are by far the most suspended team in the league.
Well they are the team most likely to employ a piece of shit who is either a criminal or otherwise general asshole. So that would account for that statistic.
including references to the police finding no evidence('Hello Chief, this is JJ,you gotta look the other way on this. We need this guy cleared. Chief: Good as done, JJ!) Josh Brown, JMara conspiracy.
I guess 4 independent advisers were all at least recommended by JM, or JBrown got only 1 game(but was cut; wonder if JJ will do the same?
Is anyone else going to remind BBI about McFadden/Morris or ...?
Neither guy is nearly as talented as Elliott. Yes, we can acknowledge that and still understand that beating them won't be a "gimmie" Week 1.
Morris has had a lot of success agai to us without the Dallas line. But this still is good news for games 1.
The vast majority of the damage Alfred Morris did against us was 5 years ago when half the league (including us) couldn't figure out how to stop the read option shit the Redskins were running.
Elliott is a far superior player right now. And don't forget that not everything is all honky-dory in Dallas OL land. Tyron Smith is having some back issues, Collins transition to RT isn't going that smoothly either.
Also yesterday on NFL network, the scroll said 'Sean Lee had a hamstring injury. Thought to be minor.'
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May not be much but another little thing!
I know this is in jest, it is a good example of the situation with Kaep being unemployed:
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Hey at least he stands during the anthem!
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Zeke after his suspension will be employed by the Dallas Cowboys even though he's accused of abusing women. Why? Because he's a damn good football player.
If Kaep was still a damn good football player, he'd be employed too.
Like some others said on one of the other threads, I'm happy for this to see how Dak plays without the Ewok. Me thinks he won't look as good. But I'm genuinely interested to see what Daks made of now.
Sending a message it's time to grow up
One factor in decision on Ezekiel Elliott, per source: review of metadata supporting alleged victim's timeline of incidents/injuries.
From @RapSheet/@nflnetwork: Four independent advisors believe Elliott "engaged in physical violence ... on multiple occasions" in July 2016.
Same. I wish they could have prime Deion and Larry Allen for week one. :(
As a Giants fan, I'd love for him to be suspended. I'm just always skeptical of the way the NFL handles this stuff.
Sending a message it's time to grow up
The league doesn't give a shit about any player, only their own image. Goodell is there to protect the Shield and nothing more or less. They likely know that there is some damning evidence that they have awareness of and are getting ahead of it with a harsh punishment. Unless of course there is something more and Elliott goes on the "Commissioners list" thing that popped up out of the blue from the Ray Rice incident. With down ratings last year, and all eyes on the start of the season, they are worried about another domestic violence headcase in the spotlight.
In a letter to Elliott, NFL exec Todd Jones said there was substantial and persuasive evidence to show multiple incidents of violence.
Obtained the letter from NFL's Todd Jones to Ezekiel Elliott. It cites photographic evidence of three instances of "physical force."
Verified account @MikeGarafolo 5m5 minutes ago
Obtained the letter from NFL's Todd Jones to Ezekiel Elliott. It cites photographic evidence of three instances of "physical force."
In letter to Zeke Elliott, Todd Jones calls the parade incident "inappropriate and disturbing, and reflected a lack of respect for women."
Neither guy is nearly as talented as Elliott. Yes, we can acknowledge that and still understand that beating them won't be a "gimmie" Week 1.
The Cowboys did their own internal investigation and he was cleared.
I don't think the Ray Rice thing happened because they didnt know of the evidence, but because they were so arrogant they thought they could suspend him the 2 and be done with it.
They obviously will NOT make the same mistake again. 6 games means they have the goods. Would be shocked if this is reduced and totally shocked if it's anything less than 4.
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It hurts in the long term, but not necessarily in game one.
As a Giants fan, I'd love for him to be suspended. I'm just always skeptical of the way the NFL handles this stuff.
Don't forget that there's a much higher burden for the police, they've got to put together enough evidence and witnesses to support formally charging him with a crime.
Whereas the NFL investigators can pay a few folks off and get enough evidence to know that he was involved, if not 'beyond a reasonable doubt'.
Currently the comments range from:
"I think its only logical to boycott the Mara sisters movies moving forward because this is some shit."
to
"Meanwhile Eli the punk Manning commits FRAUD and the NFL doesn't give two shits.
Shows exactly what kind of good ol' boys club the NFL still is"
to
"Remember when Josh Brown beat his wife over years and only got 1 game?"
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Neither guy is nearly as talented as Elliott. Yes, we can acknowledge that and still understand that beating them won't be a "gimmie" Week 1.
Morris has had a lot of success agai to us without the Dallas line. But this still is good news for games 1.
Good stat on NFLN:
Cowboys offense with and without him in the lineup last year
With Without
Yards/play 6.2 5.4
Yards/rush 5.1 3.8
Rush play % 56 35.5
Pass play % 44 64.5
Passer rating 113.5 88.1
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Is anyone else going to remind BBI about McFadden/Morris or ...?
Neither guy is nearly as talented as Elliott. Yes, we can acknowledge that and still understand that beating them won't be a "gimmie" Week 1.
Morris has had a lot of success agai to us without the Dallas line. But this still is good news for games 1.
The vast majority of the damage Alfred Morris did against us was 5 years ago when half the league (including us) couldn't figure out how to stop the read option shit the Redskins were running.
Elliott is a far superior player right now. And don't forget that not everything is all honky-dory in Dallas OL land. Tyron Smith is having some back issues, Collins transition to RT isn't going that smoothly either.
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One thing I don't really understand, though - how is the NFL finding evidence that the police didn't? If the league thinks they have the grounds to suspend him based on information they've found, why are there no charges against him?
As a Giants fan, I'd love for him to be suspended. I'm just always skeptical of the way the NFL handles this stuff.
Don't forget that there's a much higher burden for the police, they've got to put together enough evidence and witnesses to support formally charging him with a crime.
Whereas the NFL investigators can pay a few folks off and get enough evidence to know that he was involved, if not 'beyond a reasonable doubt'.
That's true. I just feel like this is a really serious matter and if he really did the stuff the league seems to feel certain he did - this should go beyond just 6 games off of work. This should be something he's criminally charged with. If the NFL could find enough evidence, why can't the police?
...depend upon it.
But it ain't gonna be reduced to zero.
One game suspension is fine with me!
4 is the minimum, but we'll see.
Hello, Roger? It's John. Good job. Thanks. My best to Jerry. Bye.
Neither guy is nearly as talented as Elliott. Yes, we can acknowledge that and still understand that beating them won't be a "gimmie" Week 1.
Ronnie Hillman?
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Is anyone else going to remind BBI about McFadden/Morris or ...?
Neither guy is nearly as talented as Elliott. Yes, we can acknowledge that and still understand that beating them won't be a "gimmie" Week 1.
Ronnie Hillman?
That's the guy I'm really scared of.
holy shit this narrative needs to stop, the Cowboys are by far the most suspended team in the league.
holy shit, lmao
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holy shit this narrative needs to stop, the Cowboys are by far the most suspended team in the league.
Well they are the team most likely to employ a piece of shit who is either a criminal or otherwise general asshole. So that would account for that statistic.
I guess 4 independent advisers were all at least recommended by JM, or JBrown got only 1 game(but was cut; wonder if JJ will do the same?
Good stat on NFLN:
Cowboys offense with and without him in the lineup last year
With Without
Yards/play 6.2 5.4
Yards/rush 5.1 3.8
Rush play % 56 35.5
Pass play % 44 64.5
Passer rating 113.5 88.1
That no where near paints an accurate picture there are many variables that need to be addressed.
Time/team/situations/score/defense/etc.
But yea he's good
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Is anyone else going to remind BBI about McFadden/Morris or ...?
Neither guy is nearly as talented as Elliott. Yes, we can acknowledge that and still understand that beating them won't be a "gimmie" Week 1.
Morris has had a lot of success agai to us without the Dallas line. But this still is good news for games 1.
The vast majority of the damage Alfred Morris did against us was 5 years ago when half the league (including us) couldn't figure out how to stop the read option shit the Redskins were running.
Elliott is a far superior player right now. And don't forget that not everything is all honky-dory in Dallas OL land. Tyron Smith is having some back issues, Collins transition to RT isn't going that smoothly either.
Also yesterday on NFL network, the scroll said 'Sean Lee had a hamstring injury. Thought to be minor.'
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May not be much but another little thing!
Yeah, especially after he spent money on a new gameday outfit:
Sending a message it's time to grow up
Amazing you are rationalizing this because "you'll always appreciate what he did for Ohio State" and " he needs to grow up"...
He's a POS who has been getting away with this crap his whole life because he happens to be a great football player..
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the bar fight, the thing with the girl at St. patrick's day.
Sending a message it's time to grow up
Amazing you are rationalizing this because "you'll always appreciate what he did for Ohio State" and " he needs to grow up"...
He's a POS who has been getting away with this crap his whole life because he happens to be a great football player..
Relax, I'm not rationalizing anything. I think his actions have been deplorable.
not in the first 6 games he won't (pending appeal).
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Zeke after his suspension will be employed by the Dallas Cowboys even though he's accused of abusing women. Why? Because he's a damn good football player.
If Kaep was still a damn good football player, he'd be employed too.
Haha well said