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NFT: NYK Trade Question

Pep22 : 8/11/2017 12:46 pm
I recall Aug 5 being the 1st day they could trade Ntilikina. I raise that point only because I wonder about the current trade eligibility of HOUs young assets and when they may be able to trade Qi, Troy Williams (not a rookie, but just signed), Hartenstein etc. Same applies to Portland and their draft haul i.e. Collins, Swanigan.

On another note, I have a fleeting thought about the following. Most BBIers think Clint Capela is off limits in a package for Melo and that would almost definitely be correct. However, I wonder if you could structure a Melo deal that included Hernangomez for Capela.

Reasons:

1 Capela coexists with KP better than Hernangomez

2 Given his great hands, ability to finish with either hand and high intellect --- Hernangomez in a PNR D'Antoni offense is nasty

As much as I like Hernangomez, Capela is the better young BIG. Does CC being the better fit plus flat out the better young player possibly lead to a Melo deal that is palatable for both teams i.e.
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Melo + WH

for

CC + Ariza + Gordon + Troy Williams
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NYK: Of course, with Gordon that means you have 3 SGs now but trading Courtney Lee for value won't be a problem. But now you have 2 of the NBAs best young BIGs + Frank + THJ + Troy Williams (and Dotson, Baker). That is a lot of youthful foundation.

HOU: Now they have the CP3 + JH + Melo + Anderson + Hernangomez (tremendous firepower) and they have Tarik Black, Isiah Taylor MBah a Moute and still have the two rookie BIGs. Defensively, despite CP3 and MBah a Moute, they're a nightmare.

I don't really believe in this trade b/c I don't think HOU would be willing to include CC under any circumstance (other than something crazy like KP being involved). But I do think this is a more fair deal for both sides than the notion of Ryan Anderson + Hartenstein + a pick coming back to NYK. This is really more of a thought stirrer than a proposal since I haven't yet landed on a HOU deal without a 3rd team that makes 100% sense.
We tread water with this  
RAIN : 8/11/2017 12:49 pm : link
and possibly we give up the two best players in the deal.
I would like it better if Melo  
Chris684 : 8/11/2017 12:50 pm : link
would open to additional trade destinations such as Portland where I think you or someone else yesterday mentioned a return of Collins and Harkless plus picks which would be a nice return.
I really like WH  
Pep22 : 8/11/2017 12:52 pm : link
but do think CC is the better player now and going forward, as well as a better dynamic next to KP.

...and avoids the RA part of the deal.
Could this have not been added to  
figgy2989 : 8/11/2017 12:53 pm : link
The NYK chat thread you started yesterday and is still on the front page?
No  
larryflower37 : 8/11/2017 12:55 pm : link
We have no need to trade young assets to Houston. They want Melo and we need to get more and the deal we want.

We are a lottery team with or without Melo.
For the first time, the Knicks are not rushed to do anything and can wait everyone out.

If Melo pouts all year so be it can really hurt anybody but Melo
In my opinion  
Pep22 : 8/11/2017 1:05 pm : link
it comes down to:

Kp + Capela + Williams + Frank + THJ + Dotson + Baker

being a better young group than

Kp + Hernangomez + Frank + THJ + Dotson + Baker

and youre not taking on the poison of RAs contract
RE: In my opinion  
larryflower37 : 8/11/2017 1:18 pm : link
In comment 13556270 Pep22 said:
Quote:
it comes down to:

Kp + Capela + Williams + Frank + THJ + Dotson + Baker

being a better young group than

Kp + Hernangomez + Frank + THJ + Dotson + Baker

and youre not taking on the poison of RAs contract


Hernangomez does not get the deal done so why throw him in?
The Knicks do not need to sweeten the deal to get it done.
It's on Houston to pay for Melo if they want him
I think you're not grasping the premise  
Pep22 : 8/11/2017 1:28 pm : link
of

a) Capela (especially w/ Williams) > WH

b) Capela is > fit next to KP than WH

c) Melo doesn't not seem to be wavering from the NTC other than HOU

d) its unlikely NYK/Melo do something drastic like pay him to not be active for games, reduce his in game role, release him etc. so its a matter of getting creative to find a mutually beneficial package
Why would Melo waive his NTC  
Steve in South Jersey : 8/11/2017 1:37 pm : link
?
given their  
Enzo : 8/11/2017 1:42 pm : link
respective contract situations, I wouldn't trade Wily for CC straight up.
would CC  
Pep22 : 8/11/2017 1:46 pm : link
be a RFA in 2018 summer?
RE: I think you're not grasping the premise  
larryflower37 : 8/11/2017 1:54 pm : link
In comment 13556313 Pep22 said:
Quote:
of

a) Capela (especially w/ Williams) > WH

b) Capela is > fit next to KP than WH

c) Melo doesn't not seem to be wavering from the NTC other than HOU

d) its unlikely NYK/Melo do something drastic like pay him to not be active for games, reduce his in game role, release him etc. so its a matter of getting creative to find a mutually beneficial package


I get it but you could flip Willy for a pick or other asset.
Don't sweeten the pot to Houston
With no disrespect to WH (who I like a lot)  
Pep22 : 8/11/2017 2:34 pm : link
I don't see it as sweetening the pot only because after the trade...I think I'd rather have Capela and Williams than say, Hernangomez and Hartenstein
KP  
DanMetroMan : 8/11/2017 3:49 pm : link
with 24 and 12 2 blocks 2 steals
Link - ( New Window )
The uni  
Deej : 8/11/2017 4:01 pm : link
The Knicks play in NEW YORK..  
Sean : 8/11/2017 5:49 pm : link
not NEWYORK. Big flaw with the uniforms the last few years.
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