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pjcas18 : 8/11/2017 3:16 pm
Separate thread? If not, I will delete.

here is the basis:

what is the timeline  
Mr. Nickels : 8/11/2017 3:17 pm : link
for an appeal does it create a stay?

Will they reduce the suspension to settle
He had 3 days to appeal  
pjcas18 : 8/11/2017 3:20 pm : link
and the NFL has one week to respond.
From what I understood  
pjcas18 : 8/11/2017 3:21 pm : link
the suspension is "stayed" if I understand your question anyway, it was regular season, not training camp or pre-season and he could continue to practice with his team and play PS games, his suspension did/does not start until September 2.
Sounds like Elliot wants to be totally  
est1986 : 8/11/2017 3:24 pm : link
Lol not happening. Hard to take back six games as opposed to one or two.. He's missing games period. I'd prefer the suspension be delayed a week.. We beat them full strength and then he does his suspension after they go 0-1
I'm wondering if the league gets to ask  
Lurts : 8/11/2017 3:24 pm : link
Zeke and the Cowboys if money exchanged hands, if so, who was paid and how much.
Actually the link  
pjcas18 : 8/11/2017 3:26 pm : link
says "will appeal" not appealed, so if anyone wants me to delete this I will. An appeal is forthcoming if it technically hasn't been appealed yet. I don't want to be misleading.
Maybe they can tell us  
Chris684 : 8/11/2017 3:26 pm : link
he really didnt rip that girl's shirt off either!

Laughable.

For a league that is out for every last penny to suspend a guy like Elliott, you know he's trouble.

The first 6 games include 4 prime time or nationally televised games against NYG, Denver, AZ and Green Bay. If you think the league would NOT have him on the field if there was any way they could avoid it, you're crazy.
I would also add  
Chris684 : 8/11/2017 3:28 pm : link
that this is made worse by the power we know Jones holds in the NFL.

Another reason this would be squashed or minimized if at possible.
RE: I would also add  
NorwoodWideRight : 8/11/2017 3:41 pm : link
In comment 13556533 Chris684 said:
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that this is made worse by the power we know Jones holds in the NFL.

Another reason this would be squashed or minimized if at possible.


This is just as crazy as the kooks who claim that Mara is responsible for the suspension.
This is dumb  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 8/11/2017 3:44 pm : link
If you are a guy that has trouble staying out of trouble, going after the NFL is not smart. Take your medicine. Be gracious. Learn from it.

Ripping the NFL investigators is the sure way to lose any sympathy from them in the future.
It's not crazy at all  
Chris684 : 8/11/2017 3:46 pm : link
And clearly you don't know how much power Jerry Jones has considering he's pretty much responsible for the fact that the NFL is going to Las Vegas.
will be minimized  
Paulie Walnuts : 8/11/2017 3:47 pm : link
to doing a PSL on domestic violence Jerrah gets what he wants from Blandino
RE: It's not crazy at all  
NorwoodWideRight : 8/11/2017 3:54 pm : link
In comment 13556542 Chris684 said:
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And clearly you don't know how much power Jerry Jones has considering he's pretty much responsible for the fact that the NFL is going to Las Vegas.


No. It's crazy. Jones and Mara both have participated on committees. If you're saying that Jones can stop the NFL from lowering the hammer on EE with his influence, then you can believe that Mara somehow may have contributed to the suspension in the first place.

See? Crazy.
This sounds like it's about to get messy.  
Mike in Long Beach : 8/11/2017 3:59 pm : link
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They'll adjust it down to a game or two.  
Crispino : 8/11/2017 4:05 pm : link
That way, the league looks like it was tough on him, but the appeal went against them, and it doesn't hurt their ratings /cash cow franchise too much.
Like someone else said,  
Keith : 8/11/2017 4:08 pm : link
no way will they go from 6 games to 1 or 2. I see three options here:

1. He loses appeal and gets 6 games and decides not to go the Tom Brady route.
2. He loses appeal and goes Tom Brady route and the process drags into next year.
3. He wins the appeal and its reduced to 4 games.
no way it goes from 6....  
BillKo : 8/11/2017 4:13 pm : link
to 1 or 2.

3 or 4 seems more likely.

But my big question is, if the law doesn't have anything on Elliot, how can the NFL suspend him. Can you get suspended for simply looking bad??

Like in the case of Ray Rice, you had a tape (the NFL's ruling aside). You can see evidence and make a judgement.

RE: will be minimized  
YAJ2112 : 8/11/2017 4:13 pm : link
In comment 13556543 Paulie Walnuts said:
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to doing a PSL on domestic violence Jerrah gets what he wants from Blandino


Blandino doesn't work for the NFL anymore
RE: will be minimized  
Big Blue '56 : 8/11/2017 4:18 pm : link
In comment 13556543 Paulie Walnuts said:
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to doing a PSL on domestic violence Jerrah gets what he wants from Blandino


So he has to buy a PSL as punishment?
RE: no way it goes from 6....  
Ron Johnson 30 : 8/11/2017 4:19 pm : link
In comment 13556565 BillKo said:
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to 1 or 2.

3 or 4 seems more likely.

But my big question is, if the law doesn't have anything on Elliot, how can the NFL suspend him. Can you get suspended for simply looking bad??

Like in the case of Ray Rice, you had a tape (the NFL's ruling aside). You can see evidence and make a judgement.


I'm betting it stays at 6. The NFL has a different standard than law enforcement.
RE: no way it goes from 6....  
pjcas18 : 8/11/2017 4:21 pm : link
In comment 13556565 BillKo said:
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to 1 or 2.

3 or 4 seems more likely.

But my big question is, if the law doesn't have anything on Elliot, how can the NFL suspend him. Can you get suspended for simply looking bad??

Like in the case of Ray Rice, you had a tape (the NFL's ruling aside). You can see evidence and make a judgement.


Read this and it explains how they can suspend him even though prosecution doesn't feel like they can get a conviction. This really details the investigation and why it took so long (partly) and how they sought the advice of theoretically unbiased 3rd parties.


Link - ( New Window )
RE: RE: no way it goes from 6....  
BillKo : 8/11/2017 4:26 pm : link
In comment 13556575 pjcas18 said:
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In comment 13556565 BillKo said:


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to 1 or 2.

3 or 4 seems more likely.

But my big question is, if the law doesn't have anything on Elliot, how can the NFL suspend him. Can you get suspended for simply looking bad??

Like in the case of Ray Rice, you had a tape (the NFL's ruling aside). You can see evidence and make a judgement.




Read this and it explains how they can suspend him even though prosecution doesn't feel like they can get a conviction. This really details the investigation and why it took so long (partly) and how they sought the advice of theoretically unbiased 3rd parties.
Link - ( New Window )


Thanks PJ......I'll take a look at it. As we all know, the law can be funny.

The NFL...not so funny!
So, I read the NFL letter and Zeke's reply  
Gary from The East End : Admin : 8/11/2017 5:27 pm : link
Hard to know what to think here.

On the one hand, the Columbus Prosecutor's office found the evidence to be so weak and the alleged victim's testimony to be so unbelievable, that they didn't even bother to file charges.

On the other hand, the NFL got a lot of heavy hitters to review the evidence and their conclusion is that he did assault her.
Video from Zeke's lawyer...  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 8/11/2017 5:32 pm : link


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If they should win the appeal then the NFL  
grizz299 : 8/11/2017 6:01 pm : link
should go after him for "a hundred cuts". His behavior after he was under intense observation counts, two assaults that were covered up, the blouse incident, the store incident, driving 100 mph.
The latter might be trivial but not in context. And the blouse incident, in and of itself, is enough for suspension.
No one seems worried about the young man himself. But there's a problem here and an out of control behavior that is strongly reminiscent of Johnie Manzel.
Anger issues, impulse control, maybe even misogyny. This is not a kid from an impoverished home, the marriage is intact and apparently functional. The parents attractive and struggled to get the boy into a private school.
"spoiled", "indulged", "enabled" ??? Kid needs help, that should have been mandated in the charges.
But the scarier issue in the macro sense is how bias can subvert objectivity. Scarier because it speaks to a polarization that the country is enduring right now. If it's my side, then anything we do is all right and if your side does the same thing it's a heinous crime.
RE: If they should win the appeal then the NFL  
chopperhatch : 8/11/2017 6:12 pm : link
In comment 13556656 grizz299 said:
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should go after him for "a hundred cuts". His behavior after he was under intense observation counts, two assaults that were covered up, the blouse incident, the store incident, driving 100 mph.
The latter might be trivial but not in context. And the blouse incident, in and of itself, is enough for suspension.
No one seems worried about the young man himself. But there's a problem here and an out of control behavior that is strongly reminiscent of Johnie Manzel.
Anger issues, impulse control, maybe even misogyny. This is not a kid from an impoverished home, the marriage is intact and apparently functional. The parents attractive and struggled to get the boy into a private school.
"spoiled", "indulged", "enabled" ??? Kid needs help, that should have been mandated in the charges.
But the scarier issue in the macro sense is how bias can subvert objectivity. Scarier because it speaks to a polarization that the country is enduring right now. If it's my side, then anything we do is all right and if your side does the same thing it's a heinous crime.


You just get worse and worse.
Next steps - IMO  
Reale01 : 8/11/2017 6:41 pm : link
1. He will appeal
2. He will lose appeal, but possibly get reduced.
3. He will go to court and obtain injunction that will allow him to play
4. He will play vs Giants and perhaps a couple more games.
5. He will drop court case and serve suspension at the timing of his choice (If he gets dinged up, softer part of schedule, Dallas falls out of contention or jumps way ahead of everyone.)
OR
5. If they remain in contention he will take it out to end (like Brady) and serve it next year.
I really don't think it ends up in court.  
RDJR : 8/11/2017 6:56 pm : link
The CBA provides for the disciplinary process. Brady's matter ended up in court because it was alleged that the process in the CBA was not followed. I'm sure the league cleaned that up and has deliberately taken as long as they have to provide appropriate due process throughout.
RE: Sounds like Elliot wants to be totally  
MetsAreBack : 8/11/2017 8:37 pm : link
In comment 13556526 est1986 said:
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He's missing games period. I'd prefer the suspension be delayed a week.. We beat them full strength and then he does his suspension after they go 0-1


Theres always one dipshit that has to spew this nonsense. Is it a karma thing? Bizarre.
Lawyers, please?  
CT Charlie : 8/11/2017 10:43 pm : link
I assume that prosecutors want to meet a standard of beyond reasonable doubt or even the preponderance of evidence. For the NFL, I'm sure is much lower, like, "We're convinced you did bad stuff and impeded our investigation by destroying evidence."
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