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Jags OT Branden Albert - Released per Garafolo

bumpsinthenight : 8/11/2017 3:40 pm
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Jaguars have released OT Branden Albert, source says. So that's done.
Jaguars have released OT Branden Albert, source says. So that's done. - ( New Window )
Yes  
superspynyg : 8/11/2017 3:45 pm : link
He can still play

Where's the fucking tire. I need to kick it now
the issue is not whether he can still play  
gidiefor : Mod : 8/11/2017 3:48 pm : link
it's whether he wants to play

This is a guy who tried to retire and then changed his mind
RE: the issue is not whether he can still play  
Diver_Down : 8/11/2017 3:54 pm : link
In comment 13556544 gidiefor said:
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it's whether he wants to play

This is a guy who tried to retire and then changed his mind


He only changed his mind when he realized that the Jags could seek repayment ($3.4 MM) of his signing bonus. The Jags traded for the player and the contract. By releasing him, they can still seek repayment.
RE: the issue is not whether he can still play  
LedHeded : 8/11/2017 3:54 pm : link
In comment 13556544 gidiefor said:
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it's whether he wants to play

This is a guy who tried to retire and then changed his mind


I thought he changed his mind when he realized he had to give 3.4 mil bonus money back to the Jags
I would be very cautious  
81_Great_Dane : 8/11/2017 4:02 pm : link
about bringing in someone who doesn't want to play football anymore but has to, strictly for the money.
No way do I touch him.  
Keith : 8/11/2017 4:06 pm : link
I question his motivation and desire. Pass.
Thats too bad  
Bluesbreaker : 8/11/2017 4:12 pm : link
I have no idea what he has left in him but he was a pretty
good player not long ago .
Was he on the Dolphins for a couple of seasons ?
RE: RE: the issue is not whether he can still play  
Mike in Long Beach : 8/11/2017 4:19 pm : link
In comment 13556549 Diver_Down said:
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In comment 13556544 gidiefor said:


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it's whether he wants to play

This is a guy who tried to retire and then changed his mind



He only changed his mind when he realized that the Jags could seek repayment ($3.4 MM) of his signing bonus. The Jags traded for the player and the contract. By releasing him, they can still seek repayment.


You're proving gidie's point with that, though. On the surface, that'd mean his heart really wasn't in it and he was just protecting his wallet.
RE: Thats too bad  
chopperhatch : 8/11/2017 4:29 pm : link
In comment 13556563 Bluesbreaker said:
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I have no idea what he has left in him but he was a pretty
good player not long ago .
Was he on the Dolphins for a couple of seasons ?


He did. I wanted the Giants to sign him when he left kc
RE: RE: RE: the issue is not whether he can still play  
Diver_Down : 8/11/2017 4:42 pm : link
In comment 13556572 Mike in Long Beach said:
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In comment 13556549 Diver_Down said:


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In comment 13556544 gidiefor said:


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it's whether he wants to play

This is a guy who tried to retire and then changed his mind



He only changed his mind when he realized that the Jags could seek repayment ($3.4 MM) of his signing bonus. The Jags traded for the player and the contract. By releasing him, they can still seek repayment.



You're proving gidie's point with that, though. On the surface, that'd mean his heart really wasn't in it and he was just protecting his wallet.


Of course, I am. Not every response has to be to disprove another. I was clarifying the reason why he changed his mind. And because he was released from the reserve/retired list, the Jags can still seek repayment of the signing bonus.
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arcarsenal : 8/11/2017 4:58 pm : link
The only reason Albert even decided to try coming back is because he didn't seem to realize that he would owe 3.5M to JAX when he made his seemingly hasty decision to call it quits.

This guy is clearly not someone who has the right motivations and whether he can play or not, I don't want him.
I would certainly like to hear for myself how much he wants to play  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/11/2017 5:17 pm : link
Why leave anything to chance? If this season is submarined by bad offensive line play, Reese is going to get crucified.
Whats  
DanMetroMan : 8/11/2017 5:27 pm : link
The downside to meeting with him?
RE: I would certainly like to hear for myself how much he wants to play  
widmerseyebrow : 8/11/2017 6:11 pm : link
In comment 13556623 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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Why leave anything to chance? If this season is submarined by bad offensive line play, Reese is going to get crucified.


Exactly. If this guy is a viable insurance policy you have to go for it. 36 year old quarterback. Even if you're certain Flowers is the goods, there's nothing behind him besides sliding Pugh over and looking for a left guard.
No a thousand times "no".  
grizz299 : 8/11/2017 6:27 pm : link
Why invest even a telephone call. There's something wrong at several levels.
Thanks Chopperhatch  
Bluesbreaker : 8/11/2017 6:29 pm : link
thats what I though i was thinking the same thing he would
have been a nice add we ended up with another phin castoff
John Jerry
Coughlin traded for him in March as a salary dump  
Vanzetti : 8/11/2017 6:31 pm : link
Jags sent TE Julian Thomas to Dolphins. Thomas had 3.6 million left on his prorated signing bonus. Albert had 3.4 million. This money in both cases would have been dead money if the player was just cut.

Miami gave Thomas a new, more moderate deal with some guaranteed money.

Jags refused to give Albert the same type of new deal. It is not quite clear what they were up to. Obviously, they were not going to pay him the 8.9 million in salary he was due under his contract. Could they have actually been trying to get him to retire, so they could recover the money?

I know that sounds very ignoble but I can't really see why else they would have traded for him and then refused to give him a new contract. Or they could have just released him. They did neither. So what was going on?

But in any event, this is not just a case of a player simply retiring because his heart was not in it. Something else is going on.

I believe the signing bonus  
fkap : 8/11/2017 7:23 pm : link
(for cap purposes) stays with the team who trades the player away. same as cutting a player. the team acquiring the player picks up future bonuses and salaries.
RE: I believe the signing bonus  
Diver_Down : 8/11/2017 7:47 pm : link
In comment 13556784 fkap said:
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(for cap purposes) stays with the team who trades the player away. same as cutting a player. the team acquiring the player picks up future bonuses and salaries.


No the signing bonus is spread out over the length of the contract for cap purposes. When the Jags traded for Albert, they traded for the player and the contract. The pro-rated portion of the signing bonus that can be recouped is $3.4 MM.
not according to this article  
fkap : 8/11/2017 8:47 pm : link
"Sometimes, players are traded away, and this affects the salary cap in much the same way as a cut or a retirement. The team from which a player is traded is no longer on the hook for unpaid salaries or future bonuses, but is still responsible for accounting for any bonuses that have already been paid. That may just be remaining, prorated signing bonus money, but it can also include things like a roster bonus that was paid at the beginning of the current league year. Again, this all depends heavily on when the player is traded."

I've seen this in a couple of articles: signing bonus is on the trading team's cap, and is accelerated the same as a cut.
nfl101 - ( New Window )
overthecap  
fkap : 8/11/2017 9:00 pm : link
shows Albert costing Miami 3.4 mil in dead money, and a zero prorated bonus on Jax. Thomas shows 3.6 mil in dead money for Jax and zero prorated bonus on Miami.
fkap -  
Diver_Down : 8/11/2017 9:01 pm : link
I'm no expert. Perhaps you are right. I'm formulating my responses from what I've read.

Bottomline - I don't want a player whose desire to play is questionable and only motivated by earning money that he may or may not have to pay back.
Jags can get paid for Albert not to play - ( New Window )
no doubt it's a sticky wicket  
fkap : 8/11/2017 9:15 pm : link
regarding the ability of Jax to recoup signing bonus they didn't pay and doesn't show up on their cap (it doesn't make sense to me, but supposedly they have an argument in their favor). It's also complicated by a player who has said he wants to come back and who has been cut while he's attempting to rejoin the team.

But, who bears the brunt of the bonus for accounting purposes during a trade seems to be pretty clear.
Send him a box of chocolates  
Renton : 8/12/2017 12:08 am : link
and tell him he could start at any position on the line tomorrow. What a shit show they have on the line.
Motivation  
Lawrence_Taylor_56 : 8/12/2017 12:30 am : link
We have no idea what his motivation level is let the experts decide that.

I would say I bet a massive number of players play pro football for the money and don't have their heart in it. Probably anyone who can read about brain injury wouldn't have a lot of heart in destroying their body for "the love of the game". It's about money.
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