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Eric from BBI : Admin : 8/11/2017 10:05 pm
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RE: I still think the Giants are short a big strong power RB  
Simms11 : 8/11/2017 11:03 pm : link
In comment 13557460 Marty in Albany said:
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Marty, I liked what I saw from Darkwa. Strong effort. Maybe he's that guy. BJac isn't coming back. I also didn't see too much from the Fullbacks, except one lousy block from Huesman. That would help our power running game too.
S Duke Ihenacho injured. Hamstring. Per WFAN radio.  
Marty in Albany : 8/11/2017 11:13 pm : link
No information beyond that. I expect McAdoo to call it "lower body soreness."
I wonder how Reese feels about this Oline now?  
Simms11 : 8/11/2017 11:17 pm : link
I'll give it till game 3, however, Reese needs to possibly consider a trade. Oline needs tons of work. They just do not look strong or get any push. Could this be the worst Oline in the league?
RE: But they have had great practices  
BigBlueShock : 8/11/2017 11:29 pm : link
In comment 13557401 Kivorka said:
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Can we ban this ass clown? Please?
Both kickers looked good......  
Simms11 : 8/11/2017 11:33 pm : link
I give the early lead to Rosas with a 52 yarder that would have been good from 60!
Or  
kennyd : 8/11/2017 11:33 pm : link
force him to be a Browns or Jets fan somehow?
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arcarsenal : 8/11/2017 11:43 pm : link
Defense is going to be monster. When Harrison is in the middle, you literally cannot run there. He just swallows up space and there's nowhere to go. The man is a wrecking ball.

Landon Collins is going to make a strong case as the best SS in football this year. This is going to be an elite defense if we can stay relatively healthy.

Offense, obviously everyone's keyed in on the OL - tonight didn't inspire a ton of confidence. But I did think Flowers' technique was pretty sound for the most part and he held his own in pass pro on most occasions. The interior broke down a few times and Hart got beat as well. Most of the backups looked a bit green.

That said - none of our top 3 WR's played. Our QB didn't play. Eli is going to be much better at reading defenses pre-snap, he's going to have a better feel for what he's seeing and he'll know where to go with the ball much better than Johnson or Smith do. I'm nowhere near panic mode yet.

It was nice to see some fullback play. I missed those leak outs that we used to run with guys like Hyno and Hedgecock. Having a lead blocker also helped pave a little road for Perkins on the 4th down conversion.

Said it in the other thread - but I think Ellison was a find. He's not going to become Martellus 2.0, but I think Reese saw the same thing in that you had a guy who was mostly heralded for his blocking but was stuck behind a superior pass catcher (Rudolph) and may have just needed a chance somewhere else.

Obviously we all have high hopes for Engram, but I have a sneaking suspicion that Ellison is going to wind up being an important part of this team.

I thought Gallman showed a little something. There were a couple occasions where he had nowhere to go and turned a negative into a positive. He's not a very big guy but he runs hard and fights for extra yardage.

Positives and negatives - it's just one preseason game. Worth noting some things but also not worth getting too crazy about them either.
The defense look ready..  
prdave73 : 8/11/2017 11:47 pm : link
Offense was underwhelming like always under Mac. The playcalling very vanilla. Oline is the weakest position in this team, and in the Nfl it's probably the most important. My biggest fear is this Oline will not allow this offense that's full of weapons succeed. Bright spot in the offense, Webb. Liked what I saw.
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arcarsenal : 8/11/2017 11:50 pm : link
I don't think this is the time to critique the playcalling - we used 3 backup QB's, none of our starting WR's played. We obviously weren't going to dig deep into the playbook here. This was just about reps and basic evaluation.
Giants need OL . . . .  
TC : 8/11/2017 11:56 pm : link
some bigger RB's. Maybe pick one up after the cuts. TE's look good. Plenty of talent at WR. Surprised Lane and Keeon Johnson look like they can play a little. Some teams are going to do well from Giants' cuts this season. Shane Smith looks like he can play in this league, but if it's at the expense of a Giants TE, I don't think it should be here.

Josh Johnson was a mess. Really looked rattled.

I didn't think Wheeler did that bad of a job.  
barens : 8/12/2017 12:11 am : link
There were a few times he got beat, by Aurthor Moats, but he had some good series that made me think he can turn into a pretty good left tackle.
RE: Giants need OL . . . .  
Renton : 8/12/2017 12:14 am : link
In comment 13557587 TC said:
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some bigger RB's. Maybe pick one up after the cuts. TE's look good. Plenty of talent at WR. Surprised Lane and Keeon Johnson look like they can play a little. Some teams are going to do well from Giants' cuts this season. Shane Smith looks like he can play in this league, but if it's at the expense of a Giants TE, I don't think it should be here.

Josh Johnson was a mess. Really looked rattled.


Jerry had the entire offseason to correct this issue. What slob can he sign at this point? You can have all the talent in the world at the skilled positions, but if you can't block, then you can't run or pass. It seems simple. Those chumps they have can't block.
Things that popped watching the game...  
Torrag : 8/12/2017 12:28 am : link
*Landon Collins gives me a woody.

*Richburg got blown 3 yards off the ball and right into Perkins who his man then tackled for a loss. Yeah I know his hand got hurt last year. He's always had trouble with power players going back to college and it's been his MO as a pro as well.

*Bromley's steady progression continues. He's gotten better every year and played well.

*Ellison is going to be a welcome addition in both the run and pass games.

*If his O-line wasn't shit Geno could have won this game for us. I liked what I saw from him except for the one throw he wishes he had back. Josh Johnson blows, he always has. Webb has potential, he has a chance to be Eli's successor if the timing works out.

*None of the RB's showed much. Gallman does run with good pop and is tough to take down. Unimpressive outing though for our backfield as a whole.

*Rudolph opened some eyes and Deayon may have closed some with that fumble.
I couldn't watch the game due to a conflict  
SGMen : 8/12/2017 1:05 am : link
But from what I've read, it seemed like the defense was pretty damn good the first half. As should be expected.
I'll tell you what, if J. Bromley is a PLAYER this year, an upgrade to J. Hankins, this DL is clearly top 3, I don't care whose is exactly #1 but we are right there.

Let keep looking for good health and improvement next week.
Flowers had a solid game  
big_blue : 8/12/2017 1:17 am : link
He looks like a LT
RE: Flowers had a solid game  
SGMen : 8/12/2017 1:38 am : link
In comment 13557616 big_blue said:
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He looks like a LT
I'm holding out HOPE he is the real deal at LT and that Hart has stepped up his game as well. We have the potential to have a good OL if the young guys step up and the OL stays healthy. Continuity is still important for OL's and offenses and we have that.
I thought Tomlinson...  
Ed A. : 8/12/2017 3:01 am : link
and Bisnowaty had pretty good games. I watched them both and they did well for the first game. Both could use some further development, however they are keepers.
I wasn't impressed by literally one thing Josh Johnson did.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 8/12/2017 4:25 am : link
Geno Smith is always gonna be Geno Smith... upper echelon arm with a lower echelon head. He mixed some great throws with a pair of mind-numbingly stupid picks. The season is over if Eli gets hurt for an extended period of time anyway, so they might as well let Webb compete for the backup job and save themselves the roster space.

- Flowers and Pugh were solid, but the other 3 o-linemen suffered rather bad breakdowns.

- Someone mentioned upthread that they looked like they could use a power back. That might be true.

- 1st string D was excellent, although I was shocked by how many guys actually played and dismayed by Collins being in the game so long. One thing I've learned watching these meaningless games is if given the option of looking good or staying healthy, I'd choose health each time. Bromley made some nice plays early.

- Rosas handling the pressure of his first game was a good sign.

- I'd like to see Travis Rudolph get the first crack at returns next week.

- For all the talk about LaCosse, I was surprised he entered the game so late. The TEs as a whole were mostly nondescript (due to the offense), although Ellison caught the ball well.
I thought Powe looked pretty good. I want to see more of him.  
Ira : 8/12/2017 5:55 am : link
I was disappointed in the o-line - each year we get hype about how it's improved and each year it really isn't.

I guess the Giants were right about Ellison being underused in MN. When he was signed, I thought we overpaid. Last night it looked like I was wrong.

Even with the pick, Geno was better than Josh.

We better pray that our d stays healthy. Our O isn't as improved as advertised.
OL  
Nomad Crow on the Madison : 8/12/2017 6:07 am : link
As long as the middle of the OL gets blown back, we are going to struggle. It almost doesn't matter how Flowers and Hart play if Pugh, Richburg, and Jerry are not stout at the POA.
The Steelers were the perfect opponent.  
George from PA : 8/12/2017 6:09 am : link
Their tough front 7 and 3-4 allignment gave the OL the test they needed.

Biggest encouragement was Flowers who held up pretty well. Richburg is turning into a disappointment, He has no more excuses. The right side is still a ? But I do see improvemernt and the backups have potential but no way near ready...so I still want a veteran Tackle and G\Center for at least back up. The OL is still a risk to ruin the year.

Only reason I see to keep 3 QBs is to run the scout team in practice keeping Webb to concentrate on the Giants offense. Johnson and Geno are not better then Webb.

Nothing to say about the defense other then to warn the league to watch out. I was hoping to see more from our FS, but seen enough from Goodson to see he is improvement and DL is set to dominate. The 4/5 corners are improvements. The defense is stacked.

The FBs are nothing special.... If their lead blocking is not far superior to Ellison....why bother. I rather keep him to lead block.... With Engram....will create a ton of options.

Love the new kicker....he past the test. I felt more comfortable with him kicking the 52 yarder then any prevouos kicker we had.

I am now outwarding rooting for Rudolph....liked the kick return, seems to be in the right places combine that with Lewis bonehead play in end zone...as the 6th WR, give me smarts over explosiveness anytime.

I liked what I saw from the RBs.

Like McAdoo said, plenty of tape to improve, no injuries.
RE: OL  
M.S. : 8/12/2017 6:21 am : link
In comment 13557631 Nomad Crow on the Madison said:
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As long as the middle of the OL gets blown back, we are going to struggle. It almost doesn't matter how Flowers and Hart play if Pugh, Richburg, and Jerry are not stout at the POA.

Translation: Eli Happy Feet
Translation: Eli Chuck & Duck
Translation: Eli Hangdog Face
I don't know what most of you  
section125 : 8/12/2017 6:24 am : link
saw to say the oline was bad, Except for Richburg getting blown backwards. The starters were is, two series? You can judge how ell the played on two series?

The only thing that mattered was if Flowers should improvement and B said he looked good. Hart seemed to hold his own.

What the second and third team oline did is really unimportant.

Red Zone offense still looks like crap.
Game Observations  
Rick in Dallas : 8/12/2017 6:44 am : link
TJ Watt is the real deal. Steelers must be excited about Watts.
Still nervous that our OL will generate no push in the run game.
Happy that we had no injuries in the game.
Collins is a beast.
Ellison looks like a good pickup in free agency. We will need his blocking to bolster the OL.
Not impressed with Johnson at QB.
Liked what I saw from Tomlinson and Bisnowaty.
Finally, our defense has a chance to be top 3 in the NFL this year.
Run game was decent with the #1s  
RobCarpenter : 8/12/2017 7:26 am : link
The problem, as others have said, is Johnson was the worst player on the field yesterday. Webb looked like he has the feet and decision making skills to be a NFL QB someday. Johnson should maybe get one more game and then get cut. Webb needs more reps in preseason games.
In the time the starting O-Line was in the game...  
M.S. : 8/12/2017 7:34 am : link

...I thought their pass blocking was pretty darn good.

Run game is another matter.
Impressed by Wynn, Tomlinson, Munson  
jeff57 : 8/12/2017 7:42 am : link
Liked the way Webb performed for the most part. Saw flashes from Gallman. Johnson was terrible. OL run blocking still inconsistent. Was not impressed with Blake.
I said this on another thread  
Dave on the UWS : 8/12/2017 7:46 am : link
Run blocking and in general going against a 3-4 is very different than what they practice against. For a zone blocking scheme they didn't play with cohesion. My biggest issue was with Richburg being pushed backwards by the nose tackle. It's always been a problem and if he wants a new contract he better figure it out. Johnson's PUTRID play made the pass blocking look MUCH worse than it was.
I would LOVE to see more of Webb. I like how he carries himself, his poise he commands the huddle and the physical sills are all there. Sadly don't think that's the plan and Mac doesn't impress me as someone who will make that radical a departure from the plan (3 QBs)
Oh, and  
jeff57 : 8/12/2017 7:48 am : link
T.J. Watt is going to give his brother a run for sack leader.
The starting O-line did not look good and they all showed  
Jimmy Googs : 8/12/2017 7:52 am : link
their warts. They looked in many respects...like last year. Shocking huh?

The backup O-line looked like guys who back up players that are better than them which is a bit scary.

Josh Johnson has no right to take away one snap from Webb's development this summer....
I was encouraged by what I saw  
George : 8/12/2017 7:57 am : link
I don't fret about the 4th quarters of preseason games; i'm more interested in the 1st.

What i saw was a team that is ready defensively to start the regular season right now. The offense, always behind the defense at this time of year, is trying to pin down the depth chart pecking order behind the 1s. This is how it's supposed to work in a perfect world.

BJ Goodson played well while he was in there and because of that the first team D dominated at all three levels. Pass protection wasn't bad. Ellison and Adams made some nice plays from the TE position. The kicking and coverage teams did well; punt returns, not so much.

In my mind, the QB situation clarified itself: Josh Johnson looked uncomfortable from the beginning, but Geno Smith showed some awareness. Davis Webb has some skill. I see the latter two serving as Eli's back-ups, and Johnson moving on to help another team.
The defense looks  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 8/12/2017 8:02 am : link
like they're in mid-season form.

Ellison is going to be a contributor.

Johnson & Geno...well, if Eli goes down, the season is FUBAR.

2 players  
PaulN : 8/12/2017 8:59 am : link
That need to be cut are Johnson at QB, he stinks, and Lewis at WR, he will never make a big catch, get him out of here, we have way too many better options to waste time with him, I don't understand the fascination with him, he never shows up in a game, never makes the catch, dropped an easy TD pass from Johnson. Johnson is incapable of going through his progression, if the first play is not there then he is incapable of making the second or third read, that is the definition of a QB that will never make it in the NFL.
RE: Oh, and  
Simms11 : 8/12/2017 8:59 am : link
In comment 13557656 jeff57 said:
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T.J. Watt is going to give his brother a run for sack leader.


Both of his sacks were gifts. Johnson ran into him on a broken play and the second was supposed to be a screen which he was left unblocked.
PaulN I agree  
mushroom : 8/12/2017 9:05 am : link
Going by this game alone. Nassib looked better than Johnson. Lewis reminds me of Ruben Randle, intriguing talent but just not football smart.
Shitake  
XBRONX : 8/12/2017 9:20 am : link
Lewis doesn't have good hands.
It's pre season game so very little can really be taken away from this  
micky : 8/12/2017 9:22 am : link
Esp. It being very first. Individual play, though flowers looked better technique wise as said from few that know the position..cant really be sold on improvement really til the real bullets fly on 10th.

Eye test..defense looks good as was...but again, the 10th will reveal truth as will several games worth.

Ol concerns..based on last year still a concern to me and can keep a "potential" good offense to minimal and hinderance to overall goals, imo
Amazing....  
Doomster : 8/12/2017 9:38 am : link
We all saw the same game, and yet the comments about the OL, it seems like there were two different games watched....
RE: Things that popped watching the game...  
Blue21 : 8/12/2017 9:46 am : link
In comment 13557602 Torrag said:
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*Landon Collins gives me a woody.

*Richburg got blown 3 yards off the ball and right into Perkins who his man then tackled for a loss. Yeah I know his hand got hurt last year. He's always had trouble with power players going back to college and it's been his MO as a pro as well.

*Bromley's steady progression continues. He's gotten better every year and played well.

*Ellison is going to be a welcome addition in both the run and pass games.

*If his O-line wasn't shit Geno could have won this game for us. I liked what I saw from him except for the one throw he wishes he had back. Josh Johnson blows, he always has. Webb has potential, he has a chance to be Eli's successor if the timing works out.

*None of the RB's showed much. Gallman does run with good pop and is tough to take down. Unimpressive outing though for our backfield as a whole.

*Rudolph opened some eyes and Deayon may have closed some with that fumble.


Agree with everything especially the Geno part
RE: PaulN I agree  
Dankbeerman : 8/12/2017 2:16 pm : link
In comment 13557706 mushroom said:
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Going by this game alone. Nassib looked better than Johnson. Lewis reminds me of Ruben Randle, intriguing talent but just not football smart.


lewis just dosent catch the ball well. he runs good routes, gets open quick and is a good st player. Its not a lack of smarts
RE: Joey  
Joey in VA : 8/12/2017 3:18 pm : link
In comment 13557501 B in ALB said:
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I focused on Flowers tonight - solely.

He looked really fuckin good. You notice his lower half is leaned up but his base is still thick? Hips and thighs aren't suffering. His footwork is well improved and his kick and dig are are lightning off the snap. He gives, then attacks in PP. Good depth, excellent punch and his power is awesome once the breastplate is engaged. Very encouraging.

Run game is another thing and will be augmented by extra personnel strong left or on counters with the new TEs.

Interested in your thoughts.
I initially thought "here we go again" on the first sack by Watt, but that wasn't on 74, it was 77 and 70 getting shoved into the pocket. He is noticeably leaner and appeared to move more easily laterally and most importantly, his hands and feet were in sync. As the hands come up the feet should be moving back to generate more power and keep the defender away from the body and that was so often his issue in pass protection. He kind of stuck his arms out but they should be swung up to generate more power as the feet move, it's that sync that matters for someone his size.

It wasn't perfect but he had his arms in closer together and made himself a bigger target to get around by keeping his feet moving. It looks like a mental hurdle for him like he has to think about doing it but in time it should be routine or at least that's the hope. So far so good.
RE: RE: Berhe non-tackle: pathetic  
djm : 8/12/2017 3:28 pm : link
In comment 13557453 bLiTz 2k said:
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In comment 13557429 Alan in Toledo said:


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Are his days numbered?



Suddenly depth at safety is scary.


Because of one missed tackle in August?

Why....

The OL isn't going to just come out and dominate  
djm : 8/12/2017 3:47 pm : link
It may not dominate at all this season. That doesn't mean the offense can't succeed on a high level. Every team has sore spots or spots that don't come ready made to kick ass.

I do think great skill players and qb play can mitigate OL problems. Many don't feel this way but I do. I've seen it before.

The giants offense likely won't dominate early and often. If you came away disappointed and terrified after last night I'd think your expectations were way too high. Also, it was a scrimmage.
RE: Is it just me  
Jersey55 : 8/12/2017 4:31 pm : link
In comment 13557414 wonderback said:
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Or does it seem like everybody we play in these exhibition games blitzes the shit out of our third string players in the end of these games? I mean, what does that prove. You'd never be able to get away with that crap in a regular season game

there was a time when teams didn't blitz in pre season games..
to quote a famous quote:  
Jersey55 : 8/12/2017 4:47 pm : link
"this team has a defense good enough to get them to the SB and an offense that will keep it from happening"
RE: Is it just me  
OntheRoad : 8/13/2017 12:12 am : link
In comment 13557414 wonderback said:
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Or does it seem like everybody we play in these exhibition games blitzes the shit out of our third string players in the end of these games? I mean, what does that prove. You'd never be able to get away with that crap in a regular season game


That is one reason I am not as alarmed as some people. Eli, Beckham, Marshall should be able to light up overaggressive defenses.
RE: Is it just me  
OntheRoad : 8/13/2017 12:12 am : link
In comment 13557414 wonderback said:
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Or does it seem like everybody we play in these exhibition games blitzes the shit out of our third string players in the end of these games? I mean, what does that prove. You'd never be able to get away with that crap in a regular season game


That is one reason I am not as alarmed as some people. Eli, Beckham, Marshall should be able to light up overaggressive defenses.
Flowers is going to look good on some matchups  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/13/2017 12:20 am : link
and poor on others. There were games where he looked fine last season

When he's matched up against strength guys, he doesn't have a problem. It's top-level rushers and speed guys he has a problem with.
Flowers looked very good, imo.  
Dan in the Springs : 8/13/2017 12:29 am : link
Best quarter of play in terms of consistency that I've seen. He seemed to handle all of his assignments well.
has anybody heard whether any sports writers  
Jersey55 : 8/14/2017 5:03 pm : link
have asked McAdoo why his team simply cannot run the football, so far it looks like we have the same problem as last year
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