If the unthinkable should happen - the season is a wrap anyway
Why can't we put Webb in conversation as the backup?
Does Geno Smith really give us a better shot? Not having seen Webb in the regular season I can't make that determination
If the unthinkable should happen - the season is a wrap anyway
Why can't we put Webb in conversation as the backup?
Does Geno Smith really give us a better shot? Not having seen Webb in the regular season I can't make that determination
three more games...it very well could be the case if they feel good about webb who should see more time. it def could happen if they feel good about webb after next three games plus they want the roster spot to keep an additional WR, DL, or DB
Adams Ellison both looked good no one stood out
at WR . Line was ok not much to go on .
Defense was ready . But to me the Steelers had better depth
almost across the board .
Didn't see any injuries Webb got his feet wet . Were still
allergic to the end zone ..
So Josh Johnson can't play. Don't need to see him ever again.
Maybe bromley can.
Want to see a lot more of rudolph.
The one play out of Tomlinson was eye opening.
Don't remember seeing anything out of Avery Moss.
Webb looked better than any developmental QB here in the past.
TE's looked good.
Or does it seem like everybody we play in these exhibition games blitzes the shit out of our third string players in the end of these games? I mean, what does that prove. You'd never be able to get away with that crap in a regular season game
pretty happy. No injuries!
*more preseason to go but I think we know who our 3 QBs are.
*OL still needs work but Flowers looked better
*VERY excited about the starting D. Collins was already a beast
*The TE decision is going to be very interesting. A very different story from last year.
*Several of the draft picks were pretty impressive. I liked what I saw from Tomlinson a lot.
looked bad. Almost like he was playing tentative. He used to play like a heat seeking missile. Maybe the concussions got to him. The backups and potential players who are going to be cut looked bad. But, the starters minus Johnson I was very pleased with. The D is going to be a real problem. The OL just needs to be decent and this is going to be a very good team.
I almost have to pinch myself because it appears likely he's gotten even better than he was last year. It's my firm belief that a great SS, while not considered a premium position, can make the biggest impact of any position on D because they are unblocked in the center of the action on every play.
There's really nothing you can do about a SS playing at this level. He's going to light you up.
Johnson seems far behind Smith or Webb when it comes to execution. Thankfully no injuries to key players.
Not according to Warner on NFLN.
Johnson has #2 sewn up.
Really, how much is NFLN paying him?
To make it worse, after saying Johnson has #2 sewn up, he said (two different times) "the only question is who will be #3".
What are you drinking, Warner?
Does he REALLY think it would be a battle between Smith and Webb!?!
RE: Webb has a gun and a really smooth and effortless delivery
He gets the ball to the receivers accurately and on time.
I was impressed that he could run to his left well enough to get out of bounds.
He has a bit of elusiveness back there. I'm impressed with his poise.
Yup he looked pretty solid, until the Steelers started sending blitzes and the backups OL up front struggled to handle it. But Webb didn't seem rattled by the pressure at all
Clearly Johnson isn't the #2 but he may be a #2. There's a reason he's bounced around in a marginal backup capacity for this long, he's just not very good. He can throw the ball, he has athleticism but this system appears to be too much for him. Two years in and he looks like a HS QB who doesn't understand his offense. He knows a route or two but if it's not open he turtles and the play is over.
Webb has a quick release, looks decisive, fundamentally looked OK at first glance but he has no time as all the QBs faced. Defenses are ahead, timing and rhythm takes reps and these guys don't get live ones so this is expected but I think Webb showed a live arm, good pocket awareness and good athleticism.
John Jerry is a train wreck, I'm not sure how or why we paid him to come back and how he's so far ahead Fluker aside from Fluker's really really lazy play at times. At least he's tough to move, but Jerry seems to be on roller skates and he was actually playing well down the stretch last year. I don't see anything from our 3 OGs, no push, no stout pass pro, no nasty, no anything they all seemed lazy and disinterested.
Chad Wheeler....oof. Too slow out of his stance and he panics when he thinks he's beaten and starts to lunge which makes thing worse. He's getting zero initial hand punch or jolt at the snap and he's getting eaten up and walked backward easily by smaller twitchier players. If he sees the field this year we are in big big trouble.
The OL as a whole was just dreadful save for Perkins one 8 yarder and one run by Darkwa. The entire group looks overmatched and confused, it could be game 1 rust but it was a jail break snap to snap, there was no cohesion, no clear assignment on inside blitzes and whiffs all over the field. McAdoo had better talk to Mr. Solari and figure this out or we're in for a long season on offense again.
You are so right. We need a power back for short yardage. It is a glaring weakness. We need to run the ball well if we want to go places but if we can't convert short yardage it could be a long season. I hope one shakes loose from someone. I like Darkwa but i don't see the fit on this team with Gallman on it.
He looked really fuckin good. You notice his lower half is leaned up but his base is still thick? Hips and thighs aren't suffering. His footwork is well improved and his kick and dig are are lightning off the snap. He gives, then attacks in PP. Good depth, excellent punch and his power is awesome once the breastplate is engaged. Very encouraging.
Run game is another thing and will be augmented by extra personnel strong left or on counters with the new TEs.
I do not want to gloss over the OL issues either. Eli is a pocket passer and extreme pressure will bother him even though he has a quick release. As you said - nothing from the G's and Richburg looked weak again, too.
Pugh sounds like a lockerroom lawyer. Solari is apparently always preaching "finish" but these guys do the exact opposite. Make light contact and stop. We have to be the weakest interior in the NFL. No nasty, I concur.
If the unthinkable should happen - the season is a wrap anyway
Why can't we put Webb in conversation as the backup?
Because a backup QB is one that can ideally get you a win or 2 if your starter goes down with a non-season ending injury (not every injury is season ending, obviously).
Marty, I liked what I saw from Darkwa. Strong effort. Maybe he's that guy. BJac isn't coming back. I also didn't see too much from the Fullbacks, except one lousy block from Huesman. That would help our power running game too.
S Duke Ihenacho injured. Hamstring. Per WFAN radio.
I'll give it till game 3, however, Reese needs to possibly consider a trade. Oline needs tons of work. They just do not look strong or get any push. Could this be the worst Oline in the league?
Defense is going to be monster. When Harrison is in the middle, you literally cannot run there. He just swallows up space and there's nowhere to go. The man is a wrecking ball.
Landon Collins is going to make a strong case as the best SS in football this year. This is going to be an elite defense if we can stay relatively healthy.
Offense, obviously everyone's keyed in on the OL - tonight didn't inspire a ton of confidence. But I did think Flowers' technique was pretty sound for the most part and he held his own in pass pro on most occasions. The interior broke down a few times and Hart got beat as well. Most of the backups looked a bit green.
That said - none of our top 3 WR's played. Our QB didn't play. Eli is going to be much better at reading defenses pre-snap, he's going to have a better feel for what he's seeing and he'll know where to go with the ball much better than Johnson or Smith do. I'm nowhere near panic mode yet.
It was nice to see some fullback play. I missed those leak outs that we used to run with guys like Hyno and Hedgecock. Having a lead blocker also helped pave a little road for Perkins on the 4th down conversion.
Said it in the other thread - but I think Ellison was a find. He's not going to become Martellus 2.0, but I think Reese saw the same thing in that you had a guy who was mostly heralded for his blocking but was stuck behind a superior pass catcher (Rudolph) and may have just needed a chance somewhere else.
Obviously we all have high hopes for Engram, but I have a sneaking suspicion that Ellison is going to wind up being an important part of this team.
I thought Gallman showed a little something. There were a couple occasions where he had nowhere to go and turned a negative into a positive. He's not a very big guy but he runs hard and fights for extra yardage.
Positives and negatives - it's just one preseason game. Worth noting some things but also not worth getting too crazy about them either.
Offense was underwhelming like always under Mac. The playcalling very vanilla. Oline is the weakest position in this team, and in the Nfl it's probably the most important. My biggest fear is this Oline will not allow this offense that's full of weapons succeed. Bright spot in the offense, Webb. Liked what I saw.
I don't think this is the time to critique the playcalling - we used 3 backup QB's, none of our starting WR's played. We obviously weren't going to dig deep into the playbook here. This was just about reps and basic evaluation.
some bigger RB's. Maybe pick one up after the cuts. TE's look good. Plenty of talent at WR. Surprised Lane and Keeon Johnson look like they can play a little. Some teams are going to do well from Giants' cuts this season. Shane Smith looks like he can play in this league, but if it's at the expense of a Giants TE, I don't think it should be here.
some bigger RB's. Maybe pick one up after the cuts. TE's look good. Plenty of talent at WR. Surprised Lane and Keeon Johnson look like they can play a little. Some teams are going to do well from Giants' cuts this season. Shane Smith looks like he can play in this league, but if it's at the expense of a Giants TE, I don't think it should be here.
Josh Johnson was a mess. Really looked rattled.
Jerry had the entire offseason to correct this issue. What slob can he sign at this point? You can have all the talent in the world at the skilled positions, but if you can't block, then you can't run or pass. It seems simple. Those chumps they have can't block.
*Richburg got blown 3 yards off the ball and right into Perkins who his man then tackled for a loss. Yeah I know his hand got hurt last year. He's always had trouble with power players going back to college and it's been his MO as a pro as well.
*Bromley's steady progression continues. He's gotten better every year and played well.
*Ellison is going to be a welcome addition in both the run and pass games.
*If his O-line wasn't shit Geno could have won this game for us. I liked what I saw from him except for the one throw he wishes he had back. Josh Johnson blows, he always has. Webb has potential, he has a chance to be Eli's successor if the timing works out.
*None of the RB's showed much. Gallman does run with good pop and is tough to take down. Unimpressive outing though for our backfield as a whole.
*Rudolph opened some eyes and Deayon may have closed some with that fumble.
Terrible
After the starters, my guess is they keep Jones, Fluker, and Bisnowaty.
5th CB may not be on the roster.
Powe is probably in the lead for the sixth WR, assuming they keep six.
Smith is definitely in the lead for the #2 QB.
Looked really really stiff tonight
Why can't we put Webb in conversation as the backup?
Does Geno Smith really give us a better shot? Not having seen Webb in the regular season I can't make that determination
But you aren't a Giants fan
Why can't we put Webb in conversation as the backup?
Does Geno Smith really give us a better shot? Not having seen Webb in the regular season I can't make that determination
three more games...it very well could be the case if they feel good about webb who should see more time. it def could happen if they feel good about webb after next three games plus they want the roster spot to keep an additional WR, DL, or DB
Not according to Warner on NFLN.
Johnson has #2 sewn up.
Really, how much is NFLN paying him?
at WR . Line was ok not much to go on .
Defense was ready . But to me the Steelers had better depth
almost across the board .
Didn't see any injuries Webb got his feet wet . Were still
allergic to the end zone ..
Want to see a lot more of rudolph.
The one play out of Tomlinson was eye opening.
Don't remember seeing anything out of Avery Moss.
Webb looked better than any developmental QB here in the past.
TE's looked good.
All in all pretty encouraged
*more preseason to go but I think we know who our 3 QBs are.
*OL still needs work but Flowers looked better
*VERY excited about the starting D. Collins was already a beast
*The TE decision is going to be very interesting. A very different story from last year.
*Several of the draft picks were pretty impressive. I liked what I saw from Tomlinson a lot.
And the dumb fuck chimes in. Clockwork.
Get lost dupe. No one wants you here.
I wonder if Berhe has been told to try to protect his head. The tackle he missed (by going high) is a tackle he usually makes
Suddenly depth at safety is scary.
I was impressed that he could run to his left well enough to get out of bounds.
He has a bit of elusiveness back there. I'm impressed with his poise.
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Are his days numbered?
Suddenly depth at safety is scary.
Pretty sure our running attack is even scarier.
There's really nothing you can do about a SS playing at this level. He's going to light you up.
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Johnson seems far behind Smith or Webb when it comes to execution. Thankfully no injuries to key players.
Not according to Warner on NFLN.
Johnson has #2 sewn up.
Really, how much is NFLN paying him?
To make it worse, after saying Johnson has #2 sewn up, he said (two different times) "the only question is who will be #3".
What are you drinking, Warner?
Does he REALLY think it would be a battle between Smith and Webb!?!
I was impressed that he could run to his left well enough to get out of bounds.
He has a bit of elusiveness back there. I'm impressed with his poise.
Yup he looked pretty solid, until the Steelers started sending blitzes and the backups OL up front struggled to handle it. But Webb didn't seem rattled by the pressure at all
Webb has a quick release, looks decisive, fundamentally looked OK at first glance but he has no time as all the QBs faced. Defenses are ahead, timing and rhythm takes reps and these guys don't get live ones so this is expected but I think Webb showed a live arm, good pocket awareness and good athleticism.
John Jerry is a train wreck, I'm not sure how or why we paid him to come back and how he's so far ahead Fluker aside from Fluker's really really lazy play at times. At least he's tough to move, but Jerry seems to be on roller skates and he was actually playing well down the stretch last year. I don't see anything from our 3 OGs, no push, no stout pass pro, no nasty, no anything they all seemed lazy and disinterested.
Chad Wheeler....oof. Too slow out of his stance and he panics when he thinks he's beaten and starts to lunge which makes thing worse. He's getting zero initial hand punch or jolt at the snap and he's getting eaten up and walked backward easily by smaller twitchier players. If he sees the field this year we are in big big trouble.
The OL as a whole was just dreadful save for Perkins one 8 yarder and one run by Darkwa. The entire group looks overmatched and confused, it could be game 1 rust but it was a jail break snap to snap, there was no cohesion, no clear assignment on inside blitzes and whiffs all over the field. McAdoo had better talk to Mr. Solari and figure this out or we're in for a long season on offense again.
He looked really fuckin good. You notice his lower half is leaned up but his base is still thick? Hips and thighs aren't suffering. His footwork is well improved and his kick and dig are are lightning off the snap. He gives, then attacks in PP. Good depth, excellent punch and his power is awesome once the breastplate is engaged. Very encouraging.
Run game is another thing and will be augmented by extra personnel strong left or on counters with the new TEs.
Interested in your thoughts.
Pugh sounds like a lockerroom lawyer. Solari is apparently always preaching "finish" but these guys do the exact opposite. Make light contact and stop. We have to be the weakest interior in the NFL. No nasty, I concur.
Why can't we put Webb in conversation as the backup?
Because a backup QB is one that can ideally get you a win or 2 if your starter goes down with a non-season ending injury (not every injury is season ending, obviously).
Geno can do that.
Ellison could be Bavaro lite, excellent showing
Tomlinson had a good night
Marty, I liked what I saw from Darkwa. Strong effort. Maybe he's that guy. BJac isn't coming back. I also didn't see too much from the Fullbacks, except one lousy block from Huesman. That would help our power running game too.
Can we ban this ass clown? Please?
Landon Collins is going to make a strong case as the best SS in football this year. This is going to be an elite defense if we can stay relatively healthy.
Offense, obviously everyone's keyed in on the OL - tonight didn't inspire a ton of confidence. But I did think Flowers' technique was pretty sound for the most part and he held his own in pass pro on most occasions. The interior broke down a few times and Hart got beat as well. Most of the backups looked a bit green.
That said - none of our top 3 WR's played. Our QB didn't play. Eli is going to be much better at reading defenses pre-snap, he's going to have a better feel for what he's seeing and he'll know where to go with the ball much better than Johnson or Smith do. I'm nowhere near panic mode yet.
It was nice to see some fullback play. I missed those leak outs that we used to run with guys like Hyno and Hedgecock. Having a lead blocker also helped pave a little road for Perkins on the 4th down conversion.
Said it in the other thread - but I think Ellison was a find. He's not going to become Martellus 2.0, but I think Reese saw the same thing in that you had a guy who was mostly heralded for his blocking but was stuck behind a superior pass catcher (Rudolph) and may have just needed a chance somewhere else.
Obviously we all have high hopes for Engram, but I have a sneaking suspicion that Ellison is going to wind up being an important part of this team.
I thought Gallman showed a little something. There were a couple occasions where he had nowhere to go and turned a negative into a positive. He's not a very big guy but he runs hard and fights for extra yardage.
Positives and negatives - it's just one preseason game. Worth noting some things but also not worth getting too crazy about them either.
Josh Johnson was a mess. Really looked rattled.
Josh Johnson was a mess. Really looked rattled.
Jerry had the entire offseason to correct this issue. What slob can he sign at this point? You can have all the talent in the world at the skilled positions, but if you can't block, then you can't run or pass. It seems simple. Those chumps they have can't block.
*Richburg got blown 3 yards off the ball and right into Perkins who his man then tackled for a loss. Yeah I know his hand got hurt last year. He's always had trouble with power players going back to college and it's been his MO as a pro as well.
*Bromley's steady progression continues. He's gotten better every year and played well.
*Ellison is going to be a welcome addition in both the run and pass games.
*If his O-line wasn't shit Geno could have won this game for us. I liked what I saw from him except for the one throw he wishes he had back. Josh Johnson blows, he always has. Webb has potential, he has a chance to be Eli's successor if the timing works out.
*None of the RB's showed much. Gallman does run with good pop and is tough to take down. Unimpressive outing though for our backfield as a whole.
*Rudolph opened some eyes and Deayon may have closed some with that fumble.