I know it's only the first game,

Huesman was AWESOME on that 4th down run block....

well.

in PP. He did a great job. His footwork, kick step and movement is much more fluid and controlled. And when he gets his hooks in, it's over. He looks leaner, quicker and much more confident without sacrificing any of his strength. Still very early. Everybody take a deep breath.

Webb look?

Big, quick release, poised, pretty mobile for a guy his size. He has presence out there. I was encouraged.

I agree. I thought Flowers looked really good. His footwork looked much better as did his hand placement. I was really encouraged. The qb made the first team o-line look bad.

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Webb look?

Not too bad, actually. He only played about half the 4th Q, perhaps even less, but he seems to have pretty decent instincts. The consensus seems to be that he even played better than Johnson. While I do want to see how he does in the next few preseason games, I think I would be OK with the Giants only keeping Webb as the back up, rather than keeping three QBs so they could open up a roster spot to keep an additional WR (Rudolph?).

In comment 13557470 Marty866b said:

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I agree. I thought Flowers looked really good. His footwork looked much better as did his hand placement. I was really encouraged. The qb made the first team o-line look bad.

Indeed Marty. I'm very encouraged by what I saw from Flowers tonight.

It's the first preseason game. Not ready to mail it in on the OL just yet.

halfway through the 4th quarter, but I thought he looked really good for his first NFL experience.

Strong arm, got the ball out quickly with a quick release, some good mobility, locked on to his first option a little, but gradually started going through progressions. showed good touch on some of the shorter passes.

In comment 13557437 B in ALB said:

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in PP. He did a great job. His footwork, kick step and movement is much more fluid and controlled. And when he gets his hooks in, it's over. He looks leaner, quicker and much more confident without sacrificing any of his strength. Still very early. Everybody take a deep breath.

Next stop - ring of honor?

:)

Josh Johnson did.

In comment 13557543 Vin R said:

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In comment 13557437 B in ALB said: Quote: in PP. He did a great job. His footwork, kick step and movement is much more fluid and controlled. And when he gets his hooks in, it's over. He looks leaner, quicker and much more confident without sacrificing any of his strength. Still very early. Everybody take a deep breath. Next stop - ring of honor? :)

I fuckin hope so, Vinny.

In comment 13557485 B in ALB said:

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In comment 13557470 Marty866b said: Quote: I agree. I thought Flowers looked really good. His footwork looked much better as did his hand placement. I was really encouraged. The qb made the first team o-line look bad. Indeed Marty. I'm very encouraged by what I saw from Flowers tonight. It's the first preseason game. Not ready to mail it in on the OL just yet.

Thanks for the review of Flowers. I know it is a process and the more reps he gets the faster the transition will take.

He couldn't find an open receiver with a map and a compass.

Geno Smith was Geno Smith - a couple of good passes followed by a boneheaded mistake.

I honestly see no reason to keep either of them.

Initially, I thought that Webb wouldn't get enough snaps to get an accurate assessment of his abilities, which was the case tonight where he barely got to play in the 4th quarter. Well, I say for the next three games, if Eli's not in the game, I hope Webb is. I've seen more than enough of Smith and Johnson.

Flowers actually held his own in pass pro on most occasions. On the first sack, the interior and right side broke down and Johnson got stuck in the pocket - Flowers was pretty squared on his man.

Obviously there were more pass pro breakdowns than we wanted to see, but it's also going to be much different when teams are accounting for Beckham, Marshall, Shepard and Engram. It's a bit easier to move downhill and not worry about the guys behind you when they're mostly backups.

I think we might have something with Ellison. If he's going to be able to make those chain-moving catches, he'll be well worth it. He's not going to be a playmaking TE - that's going to be Engram - but I wouldn't be surprised if he became a Boss type pass catcher and provided a safety valve.

Also important to remember that Eli is going to be better at reading defenses pre-snap than guys like Johnson/Geno. He'll be better at figuring out where pressures are coming from and where his hot reads are.

Good point about Ellison. This could be a move the chains type of guy that teams will not account for. He has good hands,is tough,and seems to know how to get open. He appears to be a very good signing.

I always look forward to your optimistic comments. You remind me of that guy in the comics who walked around with a perpetual rain cloud over his head.

That being said, it was nice to see the Gints in action again after 8 long months without the team I love.

In comment 13557565 Klaatu said:

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He couldn't find an open receiver with a map and a compass. Geno Smith was Geno Smith - a couple of good passes followed by a boneheaded mistake. I honestly see no reason to keep either of them. Initially, I thought that Webb wouldn't get enough snaps to get an accurate assessment of his abilities, which was the case tonight where he barely got to play in the 4th quarter. Well, I say for the next three games, if Eli's not in the game, I hope Webb is. I've seen more than enough of Smith and Johnson.

Funny you say that. Would it really be that bad if we had Webb as our back up? Eli goes down, we are fucked anyways. Might as well have the kid (and more competent looking player) get some minutes.

In comment 13557574 chopperhatch said:

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In comment 13557565 Klaatu said: Quote: He couldn't find an open receiver with a map and a compass. Geno Smith was Geno Smith - a couple of good passes followed by a boneheaded mistake. I honestly see no reason to keep either of them. Initially, I thought that Webb wouldn't get enough snaps to get an accurate assessment of his abilities, which was the case tonight where he barely got to play in the 4th quarter. Well, I say for the next three games, if Eli's not in the game, I hope Webb is. I've seen more than enough of Smith and Johnson. Funny you say that. Would it really be that bad if we had Webb as our back up? Eli goes down, we are fucked anyways. Might as well have the kid (and more competent looking player) get some minutes.

I thought that was unlikely until this game. He really didn't look that different from/out of depth relative to the other guys. He actually looked better.

Hope we get to see him again in the preseason.

Josh Johnson looks lost if the first option isn't there. He takes off and runs. He's a 3rd stringer at best.

Geno Smith -- heaven help us -- at LEAST looked like a pro who's seen some live action. Not clear that his pick was on him. I want to hate this guy, but he CLEARLY outplayed Johnson.

Webb -- looks talented, but raw. Prototypical size, big arm, quick release, moves well. ALREADY looks better than Johnson. The tools are there. We'll see.

Travis Rudolph -- Don't think he makes it. Looked awful on returns, and not much better in the receiving game.

Nat - the Fizzle - Berhe. Enough already. When he's not leading with his melon, he's tripping over his feet or looks lost in coverage. I'd be worried if he made the team, but he'll hurt himself before the opener.

1st team D looked very good and ready to pick up where they left off last year.

Landon Collins is in beast-mode already
Kerry Wynn -- was everywhere making plays.
Bromley showed "starter" promise
Darian Thompson - played with the 1s, but didn't make any plays.

The 1st team OL is still the big question mark, and that didn't change tonight. But it's hard to judge them in pass protection without Eli and the starters in there.

Ereck Flowers -- according to Carl Banks, the first sack wasn't on him -- and Johnson kind of walked into it. Still hard to know if he's much better. Banks said he had decent night.

1st team OL run blocking -- not encouraging, but without Eli in there, Pitt's 1st team D didn't fear Josh Johnson at all.

Perkins had little room to run. Gallman and Abdullah, behind the backups, had even less.

That said, loved seeing them convert a short yardage situation BECAUSE THEY HAD A FB (S. Smith) to lead block. It makes a difference. I'd keep this guy over Huseman, and certainly over Tye.

NONE of the WRs impressed (given that OBJ, Marshall and Sheppard didn't play).

Ellison -- looked good. Hope he stays healthy.

Engram -- had a quiet night with one catch. Howard Cross says he's doing a nice job blocking which is VERY high praise -- HC doesn't dish that out lightly.

J. Adams -- looks good, too. Kid's got a lot of potential.

Tye -- ugh. Ran right by a guy who went in un touched and sacked his QB. Not sure what his assignment was.

Lacosse -- didn't get in till the end with Webb. Didn't get to show much. Likely not his fault.

Then Backup OTs looked raw as hell. Long way to go for both Biswo and Wheeler.

Donte Deayon -- muffed a punt which lead to a TD. Won't help him make the team.

BJ Goodson -- still catching up to the speed of the game. He just needs some more time, but I think he's gonna be fine/good.

Michael Hunter -- looked like he might make the team.

Rosas -- nailed a 52 yarder with ease, and a shorter one too.

Nugent -- made his kicks, too, but I'm pulling for the rookie with the big leg.

First pre-season game of the year. I am slightly worried about the OLine. But part of it could be rust, as well. No Eli, no starting WRs, going against one of the best defenses in the league in the Steelers.

We just need this OLine to be decent, and we're in business. Obviously, it'd be great if they could be good, very good, or great. But we don't *need* that to be the case to be a good and improved offense from last season. Just stay healthy. That's the key.

how did Bisnowaty (sp?) look?

Looked in run blocking. For such a big man, He gets knocked back way to much. Love to see him anchor more.

He destroyed the steelers guard on his TFL.

Agree on Johnson, I would rather see Geno Smith and Webb.

Where he fought off two blockers.

...which is a good thing. He did blow one assignment and a defender had a clear run but there was a weird call and switch involved. It was a mental error though and not technique or athletically based. Richburg on the other hand got destroyed on one play leading to Perkins getting mauled 3 yards in the backfield. What's his excuse this time? His hand is all healed right?

Was also responsible for the first sack when he got bull rushed up the middle. Injuries or not,his play since two years ago has regressed. I thought he was going to be one of the top centers in the league. Now have my doubts.

In comment 13557569 Marty866b said:

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Good point about Ellison. This could be a move the chains type of guy that teams will not account for. He has good hands,is tough,and seems to know how to get open. He appears to be a very good signing.

He's one of the league's better blockers and will only help against better defenses.

However, if can also catch those "I'm not covered" short zone passes with ease he give Eli a quick 1st down all season long. Same goes for our RB's out of the backfield. When you have the weapons and speed that we now have, you can't cover everyone well. Eli can have his BEST YEAR ever if we stay healthy and just keep moving the chains.

If our defense is rested, gets the offense turnovers or good field position, we'll score in the redzone this year.

In comment 13557570 bigfish703 said:

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I always look forward to your optimistic comments. You remind me of that guy in the comics who walked around with a perpetual rain cloud over his head. That being said, it was nice to see the Gints in action again after 8 long months without the team I love.

Well, his name is Doomster. With that name, it would be a bit odd if all his posts were cheery and upbeat.

In comment 13557574 chopperhatch said:

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In comment 13557565 Klaatu said: Quote: He couldn't find an open receiver with a map and a compass. Geno Smith was Geno Smith - a couple of good passes followed by a boneheaded mistake. I honestly see no reason to keep either of them. Initially, I thought that Webb wouldn't get enough snaps to get an accurate assessment of his abilities, which was the case tonight where he barely got to play in the 4th quarter. Well, I say for the next three games, if Eli's not in the game, I hope Webb is. I've seen more than enough of Smith and Johnson. Funny you say that. Would it really be that bad if we had Webb as our back up? Eli goes down, we are fucked anyways. Might as well have the kid (and more competent looking player) get some minutes.

It's not all or nothing. What if the veteran starter had to miss 4 games and 1 or 2 wins is the difference in playoffs or not. That is just one scenario where it's not all or nothing.

We'd all love Webb to just naturally win the job and be the only backup, but it's would be ridiculous to not keep a backup with some experience if you don't think the rookie is ready. Only the coach's really know

As Banks & Papa mentioned, Geno goes through his progressions first,running as a last resort.Johnson,on the other hand,looks down his first option & if not there,is ready to run.Sure,if Davis is ready,it would be nice to have an extra roster space to use. But,based solely on last night,Geno gives us a professional backup if God forbid,something happens to Eli.

I thought Blake had a horrendous game at CB, getting beat numerous times. Couldn't really get a handle on Hunter,saw he made a couple of tackles but besides that,watching on TV makes it hard to see individual play.

Our young OTs had a shaky night,especially Wheeler. It was good they were able to get considerable reps but again,solely based on last night,Wheeler isn't ready to be the backup LT. Now if Flowers were to go down,I'm not sure who would replace him (Pugh LT,Fluker LG?) but with 10 days until the Browns game,it might be a good time to bring in a veteran OT (Clady?) to take a look at.

Overall, kids got a chance to play,only one injury (Ihenacho- hammy), and 1 preseason game closer to Dallas.

That's him saying I understand it s not reasonable to draw conclusions from the first preseason game, but let me do it anyway.

I know that is what fan boards are for, and if you wanted you could draw as many positives and negatives from that game.

So let me say, " I know it s only the first preseason game, but.

I saw lots of positives.

Pitt runs a 3-4 so the blocking patterns are different than they have been practicing against. That's why I think the 1st team OL got better with more snaps. For guys like Wheeler and Biz the speed of the game the strength of their opponents kind of overwhelmed them. I want to re watch the game but I thought Wheeler's set up pass blocking was technically sound but as soon as he got engaged with his man he was screwed. Read Sy's training camp assessment its on the money I think.
I thought Richburg played like crap he just doesn't anchor well when someone is on his nose. And I don't think PUGH was much better. The tackles and Jerry were OK Johnson made them look a lot worse than they were.
If Mac has the guts he should cut JJ tom. He's a total waste worse than a JAG. He makes Nassib look good. Smith and Webb need the practice repost he games will play out the same but having Johnson take practice reps is pointless. He's what 29-30? He's not getting better than what we saw which is NOT an NFL level QB.
I thought the lightbulb went on for Bromley-bring it every play like your life depends on it. He as stout and aggressive.
Draft picks- good early returns
Engram does compete as a blocker the effort is there consistently.
Tomlinson was VERY impressive he's quicker than I expected
Webb showed he has the makings of an NFL QB
Gallman is quick and runs with power - if he had any holes to run through
Moss didn't notice him played late
Biz made some decent run blocks like Wheeler needs tons more strength and technique work

On Pugh and Richburg are something that doesn't get much attention because of the focus on Flowers.

But by now given their draft status they should be a real strength for this team

if this hadn't been a consistent pattern for the past five years.

The middle of the line was constantly getting pushed into the backfield last year, and I saw the same thing again last night.

Pockets collapsing and runners getting hit in the backfield. Until we fix that, I don't care what skill positions we have, we're not going to have a productive offense.

I'm disappointed, and didn't see much encouraging.

on their first play.

Other than that...

And Josh Johnson should be cut today. They are holding back snaps from Webb to give to this guy??

Just carry Davis. Open up another slot

Davis Webb

Let it all roll out.

keep in mind our entire 1st string OL with our starting RB couldn't muster a semblance of a running game against a partial 1st string defense. BBI is ready to ball wash Flowers, but if Harrison was playing, he would have tore off Flowers arms when he deployed his clothesline, choke-hold pass defense.

Weston managed a respectable 4 yards of being pushed off the ball instead of the usual 5-6 yards.

Flowers strength is his run blocking, but yet the one run with Ellison on Flowers hip, Flowers got no push/crease against his guy.

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keep in mind our entire 1st string OL with our starting RB couldn't muster a semblance of a running game against a partial 1st string defense. BBI is ready to ball wash Flowers, but if Harrison was playing, he would have tore off Flowers arms when he deployed his clothesline, choke-hold pass defense. Weston managed a respectable 4 yards of being pushed off the ball instead of the usual 5-6 yards. Flowers strength is his run blocking, but yet the one run with Ellison on Flowers hip, Flowers got no push/crease against his guy.

And we were without our top 3 WR and our QB so Pittsburgh could stack the box and gear up to stop the run

In comment 13557665 Mike in NY said:

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In comment 13557664 Diver_Down said: Quote: keep in mind our entire 1st string OL with our starting RB couldn't muster a semblance of a running game against a partial 1st string defense. BBI is ready to ball wash Flowers, but if Harrison was playing, he would have tore off Flowers arms when he deployed his clothesline, choke-hold pass defense. Weston managed a respectable 4 yards of being pushed off the ball instead of the usual 5-6 yards. Flowers strength is his run blocking, but yet the one run with Ellison on Flowers hip, Flowers got no push/crease against his guy. And we were without our top 3 WR and our QB so Pittsburgh could stack the box and gear up to stop the run

Like I said, if this hadn't been a pattern over the past couple of seasons, I might agree with you.

Your post sounds like wishful thinking than actual improvement.

healthy -- I start judging the Oline and running game in the second preseason game

Deayon dropping the ball hurt him
Ellison and Engram are going to be real studs
Deshaun Amos is not an NFL cornerback yet
Rosas is the real deal!
Geno is way ahead of Johnson -- but who cares
Collins is a stud, so is Tomlinson

In comment 13557665 Mike in NY said:

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In comment 13557664 Diver_Down said: Quote: keep in mind our entire 1st string OL with our starting RB couldn't muster a semblance of a running game against a partial 1st string defense. BBI is ready to ball wash Flowers, but if Harrison was playing, he would have tore off Flowers arms when he deployed his clothesline, choke-hold pass defense. Weston managed a respectable 4 yards of being pushed off the ball instead of the usual 5-6 yards. Flowers strength is his run blocking, but yet the one run with Ellison on Flowers hip, Flowers got no push/crease against his guy. And we were without our top 3 WR and our QB so Pittsburgh could stack the box and gear up to stop the run

I'm new to this football sport so would you be so kind as to when a QB and their top 3 WR are tasked with blocking interior DL and linebackers?

In comment 13557565 Klaatu said:

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He couldn't find an open receiver with a map and a compass. Geno Smith was Geno Smith - a couple of good passes followed by a boneheaded mistake. I honestly see no reason to keep either of them. Initially, I thought that Webb wouldn't get enough snaps to get an accurate assessment of his abilities, which was the case tonight where he barely got to play in the 4th quarter. Well, I say for the next three games, if Eli's not in the game, I hope Webb is. I've seen more than enough of Smith and Johnson.

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There it is, the guy can't read his progressions. He hasn't thrown a pass in a real game since 2011, they could have
had 3 TD's with a decent QB in there, rather than him.
If Geno can't beat this guy out, he should hang up his jock.
I think his pick was more on the rookie Rudolph than him.
Webb looked okay, they didn't ask him to anything risky.
Short passes in the flat for the most part.

In comment 13557664 Diver_Down said:

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keep in mind our entire 1st string OL with our starting RB couldn't muster a semblance of a running game against a partial 1st string defense. BBI is ready to ball wash Flowers, but if Harrison was playing, he would have tore off Flowers arms when he deployed his clothesline, choke-hold pass defense. Weston managed a respectable 4 yards of being pushed off the ball instead of the usual 5-6 yards. Flowers strength is his run blocking, but yet the one run with Ellison on Flowers hip, Flowers got no push/crease against his guy.

You're something else. Flowers had a very good game, and what you take out of it is "ball washing" and hypotheticals like if Harrison was playing he'd rip Flowers' arm off? Christ. It must suck to be so damn miserable

In comment 13557437 B in ALB said:

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in PP. He did a great job. His footwork, kick step and movement is much more fluid and controlled. And when he gets his hooks in, it's over. He looks leaner, quicker and much more confident without sacrificing any of his strength. Still very early. Everybody take a deep breath.

Spot on, EF looked the part last night.

In comment 13557696 BigBlueShock said:

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In comment 13557664 Diver_Down said: Quote: keep in mind our entire 1st string OL with our starting RB couldn't muster a semblance of a running game against a partial 1st string defense. BBI is ready to ball wash Flowers, but if Harrison was playing, he would have tore off Flowers arms when he deployed his clothesline, choke-hold pass defense. Weston managed a respectable 4 yards of being pushed off the ball instead of the usual 5-6 yards. Flowers strength is his run blocking, but yet the one run with Ellison on Flowers hip, Flowers got no push/crease against his guy. You're something else. Flowers had a very good game, and what you take out of it is "ball washing" and hypotheticals like if Harrison was playing he'd rip Flowers' arm off? Christ. It must suck to be so damn miserable

Not miserable at all. It's awesome to watch Jerry's Kids.

you basically watched the new additions, 2nd year guys, and the OL....

I concentrated on the OL, because let's face it, they are the key to the offense's success....

I have been hearing what a monster Fluker is....how Wheeler and Biz are the future of this line.....well, I didn't see it.....guys blew by Wheeler and Biz, and these were 3rd string guys....Fluker was not the wunderkind that supposedly is in camp.....it's amazing what you really look like when you don't play against your team mates.....

Several posts about how Flowers was excellent....you are not excellent, when you pull a bonehead play and let the guy in front of you have a straight shot at your QB....some how, some way, this guy has to "get it" this year.....and god forbid we have injuries, because the backups are the definition of backups.....

Hard to judge the RB's last night.......but we are looking for a FB, and Huesman whiffed on a 4th down block, and the RB, Abdullah went down, too easily.....

I agree with Klaatu.....the best you can say about Smith was, he looked comfortable out there....neither him or Johnson, look like a guy that can lead this team if Eli were to miss a few games......I say give Webb more playing time, and if he impresses, roll the dice and save a roster spot....

As for those guys commenting about my moniker, I notice none of them commented about what I posted, which is typical....it's a discussion board guys, agree or disagree, or don't bother posting useless dribble....