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Biggest surprise last night ?

gidiefor : Mod : 8/12/2017 10:37 am
For me it was Devon Taylor. He has looked so vanilla in practice - and just like that makes a big play
The offensive line  
Gman11 : 8/12/2017 10:41 am : link
still stinks. Everybody mentions the pass blocking (which was nothing to write home about), but the run blocking ... well, looked a lot like last year.
That was a nice play and you can clearly see  
Jimmy Googs : 8/12/2017 10:41 am : link
a part of the defensive coaching plans.

I think our Defense is going to have to learn how to score TDs though when they get their hands on the ball. Certainly cannot rely on the offense to get into the end zone...
Least surprising thing is all of the ....  
Crispino : 8/12/2017 10:41 am : link
BBI dumbasses who think the season is over because there was spotty play by the offensive line. "Same old same old."
Jesus, it's exhausting.
Rhett  
crick n NC : 8/12/2017 10:42 am : link
Ellison being a threat as a receiver.
Josh johnson  
George : 8/12/2017 10:42 am : link
I thought he'd be more decisive than he was.
I'm still not convinced Devon Taylor makes the squad.  
barens : 8/12/2017 10:44 am : link
That was an athletic interception, but I wasn't so impressed with his get off or his lack of power.

Plus, we are so deep at defensive end, are we going to keep 6? JPP, Vernon, Wynn, Okwara, Moss and Taylor?
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 8/12/2017 10:46 am : link
Agree with comments here.

I expected Josh Johnson to at least be somewhat servicable... (aka Jeff Rutledge). He looks like he should be out of the NFL.

Ellison is a better receiver than I thought. Bromley on defensive side of the ball was a pleasant surprise.
RE: I'm still not convinced Devon Taylor makes the squad.  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 8/12/2017 10:46 am : link
In comment 13557799 barens said:
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That was an athletic interception, but I wasn't so impressed with his get off or his lack of power.

Plus, we are so deep at defensive end, are we going to keep 6? JPP, Vernon, Wynn, Okwara, Moss and Taylor?


Agree. And Wynn put pressure on him last night.
Jay Bromley.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/12/2017 10:47 am : link
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 8/12/2017 10:47 am : link
How low of an opinion did McAdoo have of Ryan Nassib to keep Josh Johnson over him this offseason?
Goodson  
ChicagoMarty : 8/12/2017 10:49 am : link
looks like he can play at MIKE. Hunter looks like he can be a backup corner. Munson was all over the place. I want to see more of him

Wheeler and Biz both got burned a lot. They may be a little over hyped on this site to date.

Brett Jones has to snap better than that.

Powe looked like the real deal at wr
RE: RE: I'm still not convinced Devon Taylor makes the squad.  
BillT : 8/12/2017 10:51 am : link
In comment 13557805 Eric from BBI said:
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In comment 13557799 barens said:


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That was an athletic interception, but I wasn't so impressed with his get off or his lack of power.

Plus, we are so deep at defensive end, are we going to keep 6? JPP, Vernon, Wynn, Okwara, Moss and Taylor?



Agree. And Wynn put pressure on him last night.

I think JPP, Vernon, Wynn, Okwara, and Moss are locks. Taylor is the 6th if he makes it which is certainly possible. 6 DE, 4 DT, 6 LB, 5 CB, 4 S is 25 defensive players.
JoshJohnson  
Reale01 : 8/12/2017 10:52 am : link
Did not expect him to be good, but he was really bad. Very much a deer in the headlights. Geno and Webb showed a lot more poise.I would not be surprised to see Webb's reps increase soon.

I think it may play out like this:
Game 2: Eli, Geno, Johnson (last chance Texaco)
Game 3: Eli, Geno, Webb
Game 4: Geno, Webb (Eli may play a series at the start)
RE: Jay Bromley.  
AcidTest : 8/12/2017 10:53 am : link
In comment 13557806 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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^This. Bromley was the biggest surprise. Also thought Munson played well. He had more range than I thought, and we are not loaded at LB.
RE: Least surprising thing is all of the ....  
Gman11 : 8/12/2017 10:56 am : link
In comment 13557792 Crispino said:
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BBI dumbasses who think the season is over because there was spotty play by the offensive line. "Same old same old."
Jesus, it's exhausting.


And the dumbasses who year after year keep saying "It's only preseason." when the first team offensive linemen stink up the place against a defensive line with maybe two starters playing.
Depth at wr, te and d-line are really strong  
larryflower37 : 8/12/2017 10:59 am : link
And there are going to be some tough cuts.

Opposite side depth at RB and secondary are nonexistent.
Coming in to this game, from what I had read the secondary sounded deep and strong. It was really disappointing.

Also We do not have a stud RB, I hope Perkins becomes that but no one seems to hit holes hard.
RE: Depth at wr, te and d-line are really strong  
BigBlueShock : 8/12/2017 11:03 am : link
In comment 13557829 larryflower37 said:
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And there are going to be some tough cuts.

Opposite side depth at RB and secondary are nonexistent.
Coming in to this game, from what I had read the secondary sounded deep and strong. It was really disappointing.

Also We do not have a stud RB, I hope Perkins becomes that but no one seems to hit holes hard.

Hit holes hard? What holes? You cannot blame Perkins for not hitting the holes hard when he was getting tackled in the backfield
Surprising only because this was the first 11 on 11 game action  
pganut : 8/12/2017 11:04 am : link
But Landon Collins looks ready, right now. No dropoff from the run he put together last season and looked ready to dominate.

Disappointed in Lewis. Poor situational awareness, and he has regressed into an almost exclusive body catcher. Not a good sign from him, although I hope Powe continues his ascent and provides a serviceable threat in his stead.
RE: Goodson  
adamg : 8/12/2017 11:09 am : link
In comment 13557811 ChicagoMarty said:
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looks like he can play at MIKE. Hunter looks like he can be a backup corner. Munson was all over the place. I want to see more of him

Wheeler and Biz both got burned a lot. They may be a little over hyped on this site to date.

Brett Jones has to snap better than that.

Powe looked like the real deal at wr


Agree with all these. Also thought Shane Smith made a compelling case.
How bad Johnson looked  
jeff57 : 8/12/2017 11:12 am : link
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Roger Lewis  
geemanfan : 8/12/2017 11:12 am : link
Doing everything he can not to make the roster.
RE: RE: Depth at wr, te and d-line are really strong  
larryflower37 : 8/12/2017 11:12 am : link
In comment 13557837 BigBlueShock said:
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In comment 13557829 larryflower37 said:


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And there are going to be some tough cuts.

Opposite side depth at RB and secondary are nonexistent.
Coming in to this game, from what I had read the secondary sounded deep and strong. It was really disappointing.

Also We do not have a stud RB, I hope Perkins becomes that but no one seems to hit holes hard.


Hit holes hard? What holes? You cannot blame Perkins for not hitting the holes hard when he was getting tackled in the backfield
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Fair enough but I still feel they run tentatively. It might be because of the constant push backwards but no one seems aggressive.
RE: Surprising only because this was the first 11 on 11 game action  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 8/12/2017 11:14 am : link
In comment 13557841 pganut said:
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But Landon Collins looks ready, right now. No dropoff from the run he put together last season and looked ready to dominate.

Disappointed in Lewis. Poor situational awareness, and he has regressed into an almost exclusive body catcher. Not a good sign from him, although I hope Powe continues his ascent and provides a serviceable threat in his stead.


Yeah, I kept yelling at the TV, "OK, get Collins out of the game."
RE: Roger Lewis  
Klaatu : 8/12/2017 11:22 am : link
In comment 13557853 geemanfan said:
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Doing everything he can not to make the roster.


Absolutely.

On the other hand, I thought Darius Powe was doing everything he could to make it.

And not really a surprise, because I figured him for the PS in my initial roster projection, but I thought Keeon Johnson had a good night.
Just a reminder to those who thought we should be dominating  
Marty in Albany : 8/12/2017 11:35 am : link
the Steelers. They finished last season 11-5 just like us.
They have talented players just like us.

Sure the Giants wanted to beat the Steelers, but a major focus of the coaching staff was to compare players who were competing for roster spots by testing their limits.

Let's talk about testing. For most purposes testing to failure is the standard procedure. Allowing players to stay in the game until they fail, rather than replacing them when they are merely playing poorly, is IMO, the quickest way to evaluate their abilities
RE: ...  
santacruzom : 8/12/2017 11:36 am : link
In comment 13557807 Eric from BBI said:
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How low of an opinion did McAdoo have of Ryan Nassib to keep Josh Johnson over him this offseason?


And from what I've read, Nassib played really well the other night.
RE: JoshJohnson  
GeofromNJ : 8/12/2017 11:47 am : link
In comment 13557819 Reale01 said:
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Did not expect him to be good, but he was really bad. Very much a deer in the headlights. Geno and Webb showed a lot more poise.I would not be surprised to see Webb's reps increase soon.

I think it may play out like this:
Game 2: Eli, Geno, Johnson (last chance Texaco)
Game 3: Eli, Geno, Webb
Game 4: Geno, Webb (Eli may play a series at the start)

I would not be surprised if next week we still don't see Eli. I think we'll see a lot of Webb, then Smith, and very little of Johnson.
Depth at WR?  
XBRONX : 8/12/2017 11:51 am : link
Who is the clear number 4 WR? And based on what?
RE: Roger Lewis  
viggie : 8/12/2017 11:55 am : link
In comment 13557853 geemanfan said:
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Doing everything he can not to make the roster.

Same thought . Mental breakdowns , dropped balls ,ect
Two more injury free weeks to go!  
GMen23 : 8/12/2017 11:56 am : link
Iíve optimistically said all spring, this team can only get derailed by major injuries or lack of improvement in the offensive line. Sorry for Duke I. getting a concussion, but coming out of this week without any major injuries gets us closer.

My observations:

We good very well be picking up a few late round draft picks from some of our depth, prior to last cuts.

On defense, Goodson, Bromley, & Tomlinson, showed reason for our optimism.

Offensively, Rhett Ellison is going to be a key missing piece for McAdoo, Eli, Flowers & Hart. Jerrel Adams is improved. Do we keep one of Huesman or Smith at FB?

I read Wednesday was the 1st time Webb ran the 11 vs 11 offense. if so, that was pretty impressive, whether he was playing 3rd stringers or not.

Do we really believe if Eli goes down, Geno is going to keep us afloat? Or do we roll the dice on his 200 straight starts, and get rid of both Geno & JJ? We need the roster spot for offensive versatility that we did not have last year.
Given that offensive tackle is one of the hardest  
barens : 8/12/2017 11:57 am : link
Positions to adjust to in the NFL, I didn't think Adam B and Wheeler were all that bad with the exception of a few times they each got beat in pass protection.

I think they have a ways to go, but there were times they looked pretty good too, especially when they were on the move, and they really finish strong.
RE: Depth at WR?  
Klaatu : 8/12/2017 12:03 pm : link
In comment 13557897 XBRONX said:
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Who is the clear number 4 WR? And based on what?


Tavares King (outside) or Dwayne Harris (slot), based on the Giants' Unofficial Depth Chart.
Flowers pass blocking  
B in ALB : 8/12/2017 12:17 pm : link
was almost flawless. He was excellent last night.
Taylor  
annexOPR : 8/12/2017 12:21 pm : link
thrived in a rotational role before last year- Wynn is nothing special and unless OO actually shows something - Taylor will be on the team and seeing plenty of 3rd down snaps.

I really liked Webb's "mobility" - and he's clearly got a cannon. All the tools are in place - but he's a couple years away.

Loved Ellison ... hated this OL. They still suck.
GMan11, why don't you just wait and see if the line improves....  
Crispino : 8/12/2017 12:24 pm : link
before reaching the snap conclusion that it stinks after a few series in a preseason game? You're comfortable reaching that conclusion on that small a sample size? Do you realize how dumb that is? I guess you don't.
RE: RE: Depth at WR?  
larryflower37 : 8/12/2017 1:05 pm : link
In comment 13557912 Klaatu said:
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Who is the clear number 4 WR? And based on what?



Tavares King (outside) or Dwayne Harris (slot), based on the Giants' Unofficial Depth Chart.


Roger Lewis
Dwayne Harris
Tavarres King
Darius Powe
Kevin Norwood
Travis Rudolph
Keeon Johnson



RE: RE: RE: Depth at WR?  
Mike in NY : 8/12/2017 1:20 pm : link
In comment 13557976 larryflower37 said:
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In comment 13557897 XBRONX said:


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Who is the clear number 4 WR? And based on what?



Tavares King (outside) or Dwayne Harris (slot), based on the Giants' Unofficial Depth Chart.



Roger Lewis
Dwayne Harris
Tavarres King
Darius Powe
Kevin Norwood
Travis Rudolph
Keeon Johnson




Don't forget Jerome Lane who looked better than I expected, even if it was against DB's who will be bagging groceries in September. He was getting open and could have been targeted more if Pittsburgh wasn't sending all out blitzes that were overwhelming our OL
The backup QBs  
RobCarpenter : 8/12/2017 1:24 pm : link
I didn't expect Johnson to be that bad. And I didn't expect Webb to look as comfortable as he did.

Everyone on BBI bitching about the OL needs to remember that poor QB play makes an OL look very bad. And Johnson looked like a college QB from a Rich Rodriguez offense who can't run a NFL offense.
surprise good....Bromley  
George from PA : 8/12/2017 1:25 pm : link
I assumed he was fighting for a spot....he is the starter for now and safe.

surprise bad.....Johnson and Geno. I assumed they would be better then Webb.
Ellison could be a huge contributor moving the chains  
gtt350 : 8/12/2017 1:40 pm : link
damn if defenses start having to plan for him sky's the limit with our offense
Biggest surprise last night  
johnboyw : 8/12/2017 3:19 pm : link
The Good Surprises-
The play of Wynn and Bromley. Both appear to have made strides.
Darius Powe. Looks way more polished than Roger Lewis.
Calvin Munson. Very active player. If JT doesn't start doing something soon, this guy may take his spot.

The Bad Surprises-
Josh Johnson. Bore no resemblance to an NFL quarterback.
Valentino Blake. Couldn't cover a tree stump.
The OL. Didn't expect much and got what I expected. Little improvement over a year ago.
RE: GMan11, why don't you just wait and see if the line improves....  
Diver_Down : 8/12/2017 3:32 pm : link
In comment 13557929 Crispino said:
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before reaching the snap conclusion that it stinks after a few series in a preseason game? You're comfortable reaching that conclusion on that small a sample size? Do you realize how dumb that is? I guess you don't.


Perhaps the sample size is a bit larger than a few series in a preseason game. I propose the sample size last night, last year, last preseason, the year before, etc. You're right that we shouldn't reach the conclusion until we watch another year. At which point, we can watch Pugh leave, Richburg not get extended, Flowers 5th year option not get picked up...
Thats an long  
XBRONX : 8/12/2017 3:38 pm : link
list of WR's who have proven nothing. Yes I know King had 5 catches last year.
What's the acceptable standard of "proven" for backup WRs?  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/12/2017 3:40 pm : link
Backups are guys that are not good enough to play a lot. There are no teams with veteran backup WRs because they're expensive.
....  
Toth029 : 8/12/2017 3:42 pm : link
re: Devin Taylor

I think he can easily be the team's third DE. He has that Kiwanuka length Spags loves. Okwara should make it based off last year's development and his potential alone. Wynn is a solid run defender and provides decent ST ability, but he's not much else. Moss is a question mark and likely doesn't contribute much this year, if camp and that lone game is anything to go by. Is he truly a lock? If Taylor keeps playing so well and they don't want to cut loose Wynn too, then he's a PS candidate.

As for my biggest disappointment? Weston Richburg. Stunk and it was noticeable quickly. I give him the benefit from last year's problems with his hand injury but there are no excuses. He's healthy, so stop getting your ass pushed back like you're a kid. They're going to face plenty of 3-4 or 3-4 hybrid teams this year, so he can't get away from that.

Also thought Roger Lewis didn't help his cause. Powe looked decent enough, and with King being out, not sure it's helping his case either.
I hope we get the run game going  
Simms11 : 8/12/2017 3:50 pm : link
because that is what's going to make this offense click. They were putrid again last night in short yardage. I just don't see the push from this line. It appears to be more finesse then power.
The  
Toth029 : 8/12/2017 4:09 pm : link
Line wasn't getting a good push but the Steelers have an excellent front seven and once OBJ, Marshall and Shepard are in there, it will push some players back.
Powe isn't slow.  
Ira : 8/12/2017 4:19 pm : link
He ran a 4.49 at his pro day.
RE: Thats an long  
Klaatu : 8/12/2017 4:29 pm : link
In comment 13558129 XBRONX said:
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list of WR's who have proven nothing. Yes I know King had 5 catches last year.


I'd say the vast majority of 4th and 5th WRs haven't proven anything. That's why they're relegated to being 4th and 5th (and 6th) WRs.

Any WR worth his salt who's not the #1 or #2 guy on his team is going to want an increased role (and the money that goes with one), so you're going to get guys like Mario Manningham, Mohammed Sanu, and Golden Tate leaving for greener pastures. Their replacements will usually be guys on the bottom rung of the ladders looking to climb up. That's just the nature of the business as it is today.
What did you see that was so different  
Bluesbreaker : 8/12/2017 5:45 pm : link
Least surprising thing is all of the ....
Crispino : 10:41 am : link : reply
BBI dumbasses who think the season is over because there was spotty play by the offensive line. "Same old same old."
Jesus, it's exhausting.

We still didn't show the ability to run the ball or to score a TD .
Surprised ? How freaking bad Josh Johnson looked Pitt was in our back field all night .
Where were the WR's ?
Adams looked very improved he could be really good next year if he continues to improve this year .
The depth on Pitts roster . especially in the trenches .
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annexOPR : 8/12/2017 6:00 pm : link
i refuse to judge this offense until Eli is under center and #13 is at WR. Josh Johnson is garbage and Webb should be given his snaps ASAP. Continue to let Geno try and resurrect his career.

Ellison is going to be a fan favorite - ridiculously underrated signing.

The OL is going to suck. It just needs to suck slightly less than last year - and Marshall/Shepard/Beckham/Engram should make defenses think twice about bringing pressure [or maybe the blitz all day because covering those 4 will prove impossible anyway?]

I'm not going to knock an offense led be Josh Johnson with no Odell Beckham. On the bright side: A.Rosas looked excellent.
Eric nailed it in an earlier thread;  
Spike13 : 8/12/2017 7:32 pm : link
Bromley.
RE: ...  
LauderdaleMatty : 8/12/2017 8:22 pm : link
In comment 13557807 Eric from BBI said:
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How low of an opinion did McAdoo have of Ryan Nassib to keep Josh Johnson over him this offseason?


Don't think they were ever really sold on Johnson. He was an emergency pick up when Nassib got hurt. He's a Camp arm. Think they planned on drafting a QB and adding another vet all Along
Johnson &Johnson,  
oldog : 8/13/2017 9:49 am : link
one up, one down.
biggest disappointment for me was  
Jersey55 : 8/13/2017 11:11 am : link
that we still can't run the football, if we want to be able to beat the big boys that has to change.....
Don't see how I can claim he was a surprise  
baadbill : 8/13/2017 11:10 pm : link
since I posted last week that he was my dark horse pick to have an impact this year ... so I was happy to see Jerell Adams have a good night.
RE: ...  
Jersey55 : 8/14/2017 5:00 pm : link
In comment 13557807 Eric from BBI said:
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How low of an opinion did McAdoo have of Ryan Nassib to keep Josh Johnson over him this offseason?


Johnson is another of Reese's highly questionable decisions just like his decision to move up in the draft to get Nassib...
RE: GMan11, why don't you just wait and see if the line improves....  
Gman11 : 8/16/2017 1:23 pm : link
In comment 13557929 Crispino said:
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before reaching the snap conclusion that it stinks after a few series in a preseason game? You're comfortable reaching that conclusion on that small a sample size? Do you realize how dumb that is? I guess you don't.


You and others said the same shit last year. Maybe you'll read about what others think. It's not like they were great last year and were rusty in the first preseason game. This is an ongoing thing.

Even NYP agrees:
"Nothing displayed on the field at practice or in the preseason opener offers any assurance that the line, returning intact from a year ago, is ready to make a quantum leap forward. Sometimes even baby steps are hard to discern. "
RE: RE: ...  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/16/2017 2:40 pm : link
In comment 13560298 Jersey55 said:
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In comment 13557807 Eric from BBI said:


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How low of an opinion did McAdoo have of Ryan Nassib to keep Josh Johnson over him this offseason?



Johnson is another of Reese's highly questionable decisions just like his decision to move up in the draft to get Nassib...


Let's be honest. It's not 'highly questionable' whatsoever.
Richburg getting pushed into the backfield a bunch.  
yatqb : 8/16/2017 4:00 pm : link
I was hoping that his hand injury was at fault for last year's poor play, but it seems to me that he doesn't have the strength to anchor against big DTs.

Adams had a nice game, as did Bromley.

I wish that we could merge Fluker and Jerry, because one is a very good pass blocker and the other a very good run blocker, but neither is good at both.
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