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Eric from BBI : Admin : 8/12/2017 11:45 am
in the preseason, but it would not shock me if we don't see the Giants send him on a lot of vertical routes this preseason.

There would be some utility for saving his true speed for Dallas and others.
Having his stay at home would also give him more snaps  
GeofromNJ : 8/12/2017 11:50 am : link
at blocking which he insists that he can do but which he also says he needs to practice and get better at.
flip side is to show some vertical  
giants#1 : 8/12/2017 11:51 am : link
routes and give the Dallas D something extra to think about. One wrong step by the safety = Beckham TD!
I am interested to see him on the field  
larryflower37 : 8/12/2017 11:55 am : link
with Eli.
I don't think we are going to surprise anyone running him down the seam.
It will be more of "you know it's coming now try and stop it" attitude
He is a rookie and needs to keep improving.  
Marty in Albany : 8/12/2017 12:03 pm : link
If he is any good, he will learn to defeat the defenses used to stop him.

Just as wolves improve the deer population, good defensive opponents will winnow out our poorer offensive players. Having the Cowboys know what they are up against in Engram is (long term) as good for us as it is for them.
Once Eli steps on the field, I think it would be useful  
Ira : 8/12/2017 12:04 pm : link
to have them work on deep routes against nfl defenses.
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annexOPR : 8/12/2017 12:15 pm : link
Dallas can watch film 24/7 ... Film study doesn't change the fact that the Giants now have someone running up the seam who is athletically superior to some of the best WRs in football

oh, and we have 1 of the best WRs in football too. I'm sure last night's "game plan" was about as vanilla as it gets and just about getting guys reps/into football shape.

i expect a more diverse set of play cals - especially with Eli in the game - but maybe they don't show their full bag o' tricks with Engram. i expect him lined up all over the field once the games matter.
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CoughlinHandsonHips : 8/12/2017 12:42 pm : link
Regardless of what they show, I'm sure Dallas is preparing to see Engram go downfield when they play
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larryflower37 : 8/12/2017 12:58 pm : link
In comment 13557954 CoughlinHandsonHips said:
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Regardless of what they show, I'm sure Dallas is preparing to see Engram go downfield when they play


The best thing to happen is for Dallas and everyone else on our schedule worrying about Engram blowing past everyone in the middle of the field.
Let the FS hesitate for a second and Beckham and Marshall will crush single coverage on the outside
How many teams have tried to stop  
LauderdaleMatty : 8/12/2017 1:10 pm : link
Whitten over the years. Especially the Giants. If he's as advertised he will be running that pattern for years. Teams will certainly be on the lookout for
It. Issue is a OBJ Marshall and Sheppard with just average OL play good luck stopping him. This offense could be very dominant. They mix
In some better running and play action w that route will be awesome
If I'm gameplanning to defend EE in his first career game  
ChaChing : 8/12/2017 1:42 pm : link
I'm ideally being as physical with him as possible. Not that he can't take it but of course let him prove it. Hit him hard when he's inline, physical off the line for 5 yds, physical when he's trying to block etc

Of course on routes after 5 yds the rules all lean to our guy and to this point that's been his strength - receptions over the middle & down the seam. That with his big size/speed over LBs/CBs/Ss. Anything can happen but he looks to be a tough cover even before looking at the other weapons in the mix
If I'm gameplanning against the Giants,  
Ira : 8/12/2017 2:12 pm : link
I'd blitz early and often to try to take advantage of the Giants biggest weakness - the o-line.
RE: If I'm gameplanning against the Giants,  
mrvax : 8/12/2017 2:23 pm : link
In comment 13558041 Ira said:
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I'd blitz early and often to try to take advantage of the Giants biggest weakness - the o-line.


Exactly. McAdoo needs to be able to counter that.
True that's option #1  
ChaChing : 8/12/2017 2:28 pm : link
but NYG/Eli counter by getting the ball out quick. So you still have to defend receivers off the line. That aside from plays you don't end up getting to the QB quickly
there is something to be said for repetitions  
ColHowPepper : 8/12/2017 2:49 pm : link
under actual game conditions and not just Met Life practice fields
RE: RE: If I'm gameplanning against the Giants,  
T in NJ : 8/12/2017 3:13 pm : link
In comment 13558047 mrvax said:
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In comment 13558041 Ira said:


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I'd blitz early and often to try to take advantage of the Giants biggest weakness - the o-line.



Exactly. McAdoo needs to be able to counter that.


Eli in the shotgun and quick-hit slants to OBJ or Shepard.
Shockey had a better  
Phil in LA : 8/12/2017 3:20 pm : link
debut. In fact, he sorta peaked in it.
Funny  
WillVAB : 8/12/2017 3:25 pm : link
I was thinking about this the other day. I have no problem no problem taking a vanilla approach with Engram in the preseason. No point giving the opposition something to prepare for when the real bullets fly.

Honestly what purpose would it serve? Who cares if Engram lights up the preseason? Just stay healthy.
re: Shockey  
Toth029 : 8/12/2017 3:45 pm : link
They didn't "plan" anything for him in that Texans game, either. It was a basic play and he just had some blocking and used his speed to get past them and bowl over that small DB. I'm not sure Engram had any more than two targets.
What Ira said  
Bluesbreaker : 8/12/2017 6:02 pm : link
Engram needs some in game experience I agree somewhat with
the Witten philosophy . Give Dallas something to think about playing there safeties up in stopping the run which
is another show me item on the list .
RE: If I'm gameplanning against the Giants,  
annexOPR : 8/12/2017 6:05 pm : link
In comment 13558041 Ira said:
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I'd blitz early and often to try to take advantage of the Giants biggest weakness - the o-line.


it's a no brainer when you think about it ... not only is this OL a weakness, but it's going to be tough (if not impossible) to actually cover the Giants weapons.

Rush 5+ defenders and pray for a sack or tipped ball/INT - otherwise who is actually covering Marshall 1 on 1, Shepard in the slot, Odell/Engram wherever they line up? No one.
Either way I think the Giants benefits ...  
Beer Man : 8/13/2017 10:34 am : link
Many of the advantages to hiding Engram have been listed in this thread. But on the other hand, a big reason for bringing in Marshall and drafting Engram was to break the cover-2 defense and double teams of OBJ. If teams see Engram and Marshall as big threats now, it puts them into match-up nightmare scenarios that most teams probably don't have an answer for.
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