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NFT: Mets on verge of trading Walker

ZGiants98 : 8/12/2017 5:44 pm
to Brewers.

Ken Rosenthal & #10004; @Ken_Rosenthal
Sources: #Mets close to trading 2B Neil Walker to the #Brewers.
Keep the live arms coming  
ZGiants98 : 8/12/2017 5:44 pm : link
Sandy!
Yankees reportedly offered Frazier, Adams, and 1 million dollars  
adamg : 8/12/2017 5:46 pm : link
But, MIL offered 1.5 mill
At $5mm  
Shecky : 8/12/2017 5:47 pm : link
And he's such a good guy - take what you can get and do the guy a favor.
Wonder what live armed reliever  
Mike in NY : 8/12/2017 5:59 pm : link
We will get in return
According to this,  
Ira : 8/12/2017 6:06 pm : link
the Yankees backed out.
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Walker HAS BEEN DEALT  
CMicks3110 : 8/12/2017 6:06 pm : link

Jon Heyman @JonHeyman 9m
Neil Walker is being traded to brewers
Yeah its a done deal  
ZGiants98 : 8/12/2017 6:24 pm : link
Walker has come off the field. Details of the return is not known yet.
RE: Yeah its a done deal  
pjcas18 : 8/12/2017 6:26 pm : link
In comment 13558321 ZGiants98 said:
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Walker has come off the field. Details of the return is not known yet.

I read on twitter the Mets received a signed photo of Dan Plesac. LOL.
lol.  
ZGiants98 : 8/12/2017 6:28 pm : link
Im hoping for something with tools.
Lewis Brinson and Cash Considerations  
CMicks3110 : 8/12/2017 6:29 pm : link
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RE: Lewis Brinson and Cash Considerations  
pjcas18 : 8/12/2017 6:34 pm : link
In comment 13558328 CMicks3110 said:
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holy shit, is that true?
No  
ZGiants98 : 8/12/2017 6:36 pm : link
way.
RE: Yankees reportedly offered Frazier, Adams, and 1 million dollars  
Rover : 8/12/2017 6:38 pm : link
In comment 13558267 adamg said:
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But, MIL offered 1.5 mill

What?
Are you kidding?
Why would they?
They have Castro.
It was a  
ZGiants98 : 8/12/2017 6:40 pm : link
joke.
Brinson hitting 338 with 10 Homer's 22 doubles and 43 RBI  
Canton : 8/12/2017 6:40 pm : link
with 11 Steaks in Triple A. Only 73 games.

Lol  
DanMetroMan : 8/12/2017 6:44 pm : link
They didn't get Brinson
That would be the steal of the century for Sandy  
Canton : 8/12/2017 6:44 pm : link
But I had a good laugh.

It would take a lot more than Walker to get their top prospect in the minor leagues heh
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KevinBBWC : 8/12/2017 6:46 pm : link
Joel Sherman‏Verified account @Joelsherman1 18s19 seconds ago

Walker is owed roughly $5M the rest of the season and I heard #Mets are eating some to complete deal with #Brewers
Mets eating some $ to deal him (not surprising)  
Eric on Li : 8/12/2017 6:46 pm : link
Joel Sherman‏Verified account @Joelsherman1 13s13 seconds ago
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Walker is owed roughly $5M the rest of the season and I heard #Mets are eating some to complete deal with #Brewers

Still can't imagine there will be much of a return.
Mets are eating some salary.  
ZGiants98 : 8/12/2017 6:46 pm : link
Joel Sherman ✔ @Joelsherman1
Walker is owed roughly $5M the rest of the season and I heard #Mets are eating some to complete deal with #Brewers
At least when you're joking  
pjcas18 : 8/12/2017 6:46 pm : link
let people know you're joking though I probably should have figured.

Just not another  
pjcas18 : 8/12/2017 6:50 pm : link
24 year old reliever who will be rule V eligible hopefully.

although whatever they get for Walker at this point is better than nothing.

Hopefully droobs follows him. Maybe even Reyes and Grandy.
btw, I was joking about Brinson  
CMicks3110 : 8/12/2017 6:51 pm : link
though tit was obvious
RE: btw, I was joking about Brinson  
pjcas18 : 8/12/2017 6:56 pm : link
In comment 13558357 CMicks3110 said:
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though tit was obvious


yes, sorry, should have been obvious, but Sandy did turn a 2-month rental of 34-year old Carlos Beltran into a top 10 prospect in all of baseball, so I hoped it was another miracle.

Joking Brinson  
Samiam : 8/12/2017 6:59 pm : link
Its obvious if you follow the minor leagues the way you apparently do. A lot of us don't
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KevinBBWC : 8/12/2017 6:59 pm : link
Joel Sherman‏Verified account @Joelsherman1 15s15 seconds ago

Heard it might not be until after #Mets, #Brewers games are completed that the deal will be officially announced.
Harvey  
pjcas18 : 8/12/2017 7:18 pm : link
making a rehab start tonight for the Cyclones.

If I looked in NY I'd go to this game, I love minor league baseball and particularly like it when major leaguers play.

I saw a Jon lester rehab start in Pawtucket and that team had Ellsbury still in the minors.

I also so Josh Beckett with the Portland Sea Dogs against the Binghamton Mets (in 2001) in Portland Maine when the Sea Dogs were a marlins farm team. He was electric.

anyway, hope Harvey comes back full strength for 2018.
broadcast  
CMicks3110 : 8/12/2017 7:21 pm : link
says Harvey throwing in the low 90s, wild
What does this mean?  
pjcas18 : 8/12/2017 7:21 pm : link
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J.P. Pelzman‏ @JPPelzman 3m3 minutes ago

Source: Mets to re-sign and then trade Bruce Boisclair, Ken Boswell and Don Hahn in three separate deals for Class A relievers
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Harvey, 18 pitches, 7 strikes  
CMicks3110 : 8/12/2017 7:25 pm : link
velocity down, disappointing
RE: What does this mean?  
DanMetroMan : 8/12/2017 7:25 pm : link
In comment 13558380 pjcas18 said:
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J.P. Pelzman‏ @JPPelzman 3m3 minutes ago

Source: Mets to re-sign and then trade Bruce Boisclair, Ken Boswell and Don Hahn in three separate deals for Class A relievers
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Bad joke
Harvey's season is completely lost  
ZGiants98 : 8/12/2017 7:29 pm : link
Anybody hoping the 2013/2015 model is coming back this year after it was announced his arm had atrophied from TOS is going to be sadly mistaken. I do think with an entire offseason he might come back stronger in the spring but trying to measure whatever he's doing now seems pretty fruitless IMO.
Yeah, ust hoping for a rebound  
pjcas18 : 8/12/2017 7:32 pm : link
2018 for Harvey
Z  
CMicks3110 : 8/12/2017 7:32 pm : link
I have no faith in Harvey giving us anything next year. My hope is htat he pitches well in September and we trade him for whatever we can get, cause I don't expect anything from him next year. He's just lost it. Even with near premium velocity for a starter (94 mph), he absolutely blew this year. I suppose maybe you could put him in the pen if you want to go that route.
Peopl  
DanMetroMan : 8/12/2017 7:35 pm : link
On twitter claim they are getting someone named carlos belonis who has absolutely horrendous numbers. I don't buy it
RE: Z  
ZGiants98 : 8/12/2017 7:39 pm : link
In comment 13558386 CMicks3110 said:
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I have no faith in Harvey giving us anything next year. My hope is htat he pitches well in September and we trade him for whatever we can get, cause I don't expect anything from him next year. He's just lost it. Even with near premium velocity for a starter (94 mph), he absolutely blew this year. I suppose maybe you could put him in the pen if you want to go that route.


I don't think he's going to reclaim any value this year. We might as well keep him. He's coming up on a walk year. He's going to have incentive to come into spring in the best shape of his life. With no surgeries this offseason maybe he has a shot. I also still think worse case scenario he's a setup man for us next year in the pen. I wouldn't give him away for nothing yet.
RE: Peopl  
Mike in NY : 8/12/2017 7:43 pm : link
In comment 13558388 DanMetroMan said:
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On twitter claim they are getting someone named carlos belonis who has absolutely horrendous numbers. I don't buy it


Doesn't make sense as he is not a reliever with a live arm
an infield of cabrera, rosario, reyes, and smth  
CMicks3110 : 8/12/2017 7:47 pm : link
do you consider that a + infield defense?
Puma  
DanMetroMan : 8/12/2017 7:47 pm : link
Mets getting a player to be named later for Walker, as of right now, according to a source.
RE: Puma  
ZGiants98 : 8/12/2017 7:55 pm : link
In comment 13558405 DanMetroMan said:
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Mets getting a player to be named later for Walker, as of right now, according to a source.


Isn't that usually the case if it's a player from this year's draft or have the rules changed?
New  
DanMetroMan : 8/12/2017 7:59 pm : link
Cba doesn't allow trading picks as ptnl apparently
whatever  
CMicks3110 : 8/12/2017 8:06 pm : link
probaby be performance based. If Mil makes playoffs they get a choice of some higher level prospect
d'arnaud looks like he's been working out  
CMicks3110 : 8/12/2017 8:09 pm : link
he looks bigger and more muscular. Still swings recklessly too hard.
From what I understand  
Shecky : 8/12/2017 8:36 pm : link
Gets announced after brewers game, otherwise brewers need to remove someone from the 25 and play shorthanded
RE: From what I understand  
ZGiants98 : 8/12/2017 8:45 pm : link
In comment 13558456 Shecky said:
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Gets announced after brewers game, otherwise brewers need to remove someone from the 25 and play shorthanded


So tell us who it is. ;) Position player? Pitcher?
RE: RE: From what I understand  
Shecky : 8/12/2017 8:55 pm : link
In comment 13558472 ZGiants98 said:
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Gets announced after brewers game, otherwise brewers need to remove someone from the 25 and play shorthanded



So tell us who it is. ;) Position player? Pitcher?


To be honest, haven't hear a thing. Not expecting much of anything. Just glad for him to go and be able to play meaningful games.
May never stop laughing  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/12/2017 9:49 pm : link
If it's yet another reliever.
Bryce Harper just slipped on a wet 1B  
feelflows : 8/12/2017 10:30 pm : link
his leg got screwed up..carried off, in pain.. no weight on leg.

This would be devastating for them (obviously).
Looks awful  
pjcas18 : 8/12/2017 10:34 pm : link
Link below
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RE: Looks awful  
PhiPsi125 : 8/12/2017 10:39 pm : link
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Definitely hyperextended. Good thing for Harper is he's not a NY Met. Otherwise, he'd probably have to amputate his leg. Since he's a Nat, probably just a few days off.
RE: RE: Looks awful  
feelflows : 8/12/2017 10:42 pm : link
In comment 13558533 PhiPsi125 said:
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Definitely hyperextended. Good thing for Harper is he's not a NY Met. Otherwise, he'd probably have to amputate his leg. Since he's a Nat, probably just a few days off.


I thought hyper-extension as well. Mainly because of the pain he was in.
Grandersonis  
spike : 8/12/2017 10:42 pm : link
Available
Terry still managing  
pjcas18 : 8/12/2017 10:44 pm : link
for his job, pinch hits for Smith 2nd night in a row, at this point game should be about the kids and at-bats in unique situations.
I know it's a long shot  
pjcas18 : 8/12/2017 10:46 pm : link
but Mets "just" 9 back of the Phillies for worst record in baseball.

RE: I know it's a long shot  
feelflows : 8/12/2017 10:47 pm : link
In comment 13558544 pjcas18 said:
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but Mets "just" 9 back of the Phillies for worst record in baseball.


agree about Smith.. and it's a long shot, but strive for it and secure top 5 haha
RE: Terry still managing  
PhiPsi125 : 8/12/2017 10:50 pm : link
In comment 13558542 pjcas18 said:
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for his job, pinch hits for Smith 2nd night in a row, at this point game should be about the kids and at-bats in unique situations.


Yet, he was clearly willing to give up another run by playing the defense back with a runner on first and third and no outs in the bottom of the eighth. LOL. Even Gary and Keith can no longer contain themselves as they even question what the fuck he is doing. Worst manager ever.
How hasn't there been a directive from the front office  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/12/2017 10:57 pm : link
instructing the manager how to finish the year up?
Just fire Tc  
spike : 8/12/2017 11:08 pm : link
Now and let Scott be the manager.

This is an obvious lame duck
RE: RE: Terry still managing  
pjcas18 : 8/12/2017 11:24 pm : link
In comment 13558549 PhiPsi125 said:
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for his job, pinch hits for Smith 2nd night in a row, at this point game should be about the kids and at-bats in unique situations.



Yet, he was clearly willing to give up another run by playing the defense back with a runner on first and third and no outs in the bottom of the eighth. LOL. Even Gary and Keith can no longer contain themselves as they even question what the fuck he is doing. Worst manager ever.


there was speculation he forgot how many outs there were. a player forgetting is one thing a manager forgetting is another way worse thing.
Who was the last good Mets GM and manager?  
Vanzetti : 8/13/2017 1:24 am : link
GM: you probably have to go back to Cashen and even he sucked the last few years. So maybe Johnny Murphy? Plus, look at how many GMs Mets have had since Wilpons took over: Harazin, Joe Mac, Duquette, Phillips, Omar, Sandy. Compare that to Cashman with the Yankees or Sabean with the Giants.

Manager: Booby V was smart but too crazy. So I would say Davey Johnson or maybe even Gil Hodges.

That's a big problem with this organization: poor hires and volatility at the top.
Mets trade Walker for cash and PTBNL  
Vanzetti : 8/13/2017 1:29 am : link
so, like Bruce, it is basically a salary dump.
RE: Mets trade Walker for cash and PTBNL  
Mike in NY : 8/13/2017 4:56 am : link
In comment 13558610 Vanzetti said:
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so, like Bruce, it is basically a salary dump.


The difference is Walker was not worth risking a QO this offseason, so at least get something for him since this season is over. Bruce they could QO and potentially get a compensatory draft pick further adding to the maximum the Mets can spend in 2018 Draft. However, give past tendencies they will blow most of the picks on relievers, 4th OF, and utility players.
RE: Mets trade Walker for cash and PTBNL  
Deej : 8/13/2017 7:40 am : link
In comment 13558610 Vanzetti said:
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so, like Bruce, it is basically a salary dump.


Mets are GETTING cash. This isnt even a salary dump. It's a cash grab.

I defended them on the Bruce trade, but it's getting harder.
Kevin  
DanMetroMan : 8/13/2017 10:23 am : link
McGowan getting the call. Has to be added to the 40 man after the season any way so might as well see if hes worthy of it.
RE: RE: Mets trade Walker for cash and PTBNL  
CGiants07 : 8/13/2017 10:32 am : link
In comment 13558639 Deej said:
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so, like Bruce, it is basically a salary dump.



Mets are GETTING cash. This isnt even a salary dump. It's a cash grab.

I defended them on the Bruce trade, but it's getting harder.


mets traded cash not got
Lot of confusion here  
Jim in Fairfax : 8/13/2017 10:44 am : link
The Mets did not receive cash, they sent the Brewers cash. From Newsday:

"The restructuring of the Mets continued Saturday night when second baseman Neil Walker was traded to the Brewers in exchange for a player to be named.

The Mets also included cash in the trade to cover a portion of the $4.7 million remaining on Walker’s contract."
Really  
DanMetroMan : 8/13/2017 11:45 am : link
hope this rumor of Carlos Belonis isn't true... not even top 50 in the Brewers system... HORRENDOUS numbers and already 23.
RE: Really  
pjcas18 : 8/13/2017 11:58 am : link
In comment 13558751 DanMetroMan said:
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hope this rumor of Carlos Belonis isn't true... not even top 50 in the Brewers system... HORRENDOUS numbers and already 23.


Native NYer, maybe they want him for Brooklyn, you know to sell tickets.
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DanMetroMan : 8/13/2017 12:08 pm : link
In comment 13558757 pjcas18 said:
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hope this rumor of Carlos Belonis isn't true... not even top 50 in the Brewers system... HORRENDOUS numbers and already 23.



Native NYer, maybe they want him for Brooklyn, you know to sell tickets.


Would be a laughable return
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pjcas18 : 8/13/2017 12:10 pm : link
In comment 13558769 DanMetroMan said:
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hope this rumor of Carlos Belonis isn't true... not even top 50 in the Brewers system... HORRENDOUS numbers and already 23.



Native NYer, maybe they want him for Brooklyn, you know to sell tickets.



Would be a laughable return


I fully admit I'm not a prospect expert, and Sandy gets paid to do this for a living so my criticism is probably unfounded, but:

Jay Bruce
Addison Reed
Neil Walker
Merandy Gonzalez

for 4 middle relievers and a TBD who looks like a bucket of sunflower seeds is not a solid return.

You are  
XBRONX : 8/13/2017 12:19 pm : link
right Sandy blows.
Doesn't matter what the return is or isn't  
Shecky : 8/13/2017 12:21 pm : link
They traded him for all the right reason. Him remaining a Met does nobody any good. Other way to look at it. Let's assume Walker was just cut by team X. Show me one Mets fan that would be shouting for the Mets to sign him for the rest of the year for $4mm. If anything, there would outrage if they did.

Trading him is the equivalent of not signing him, and holding him would be the same as signing him as a free agent till year end.
What is the  
XBRONX : 8/13/2017 12:28 pm : link
Mets lineup going to look like next year?
RE: Doesn't matter what the return is or isn't  
SJGiant : 8/13/2017 12:47 pm : link
In comment 13558789 Shecky said:
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They traded him for all the right reason. Him remaining a Met does nobody any good. Other way to look at it. Let's assume Walker was just cut by team X. Show me one Mets fan that would be shouting for the Mets to sign him for the rest of the year for $4mm. If anything, there would outrage if they did.

Trading him is the equivalent of not signing him, and holding him would be the same as signing him as a free agent till year end.


Shecky. I agree your your statement 100%. It's addition by subtraction.
RE: Doesn't matter what the return is or isn't  
pjcas18 : 8/13/2017 1:13 pm : link
In comment 13558789 Shecky said:
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They traded him for all the right reason. Him remaining a Met does nobody any good. Other way to look at it. Let's assume Walker was just cut by team X. Show me one Mets fan that would be shouting for the Mets to sign him for the rest of the year for $4mm. If anything, there would outrage if they did.

Trading him is the equivalent of not signing him, and holding him would be the same as signing him as a free agent till year end.


In the case of Walker you're right, but not in the case of Duda (who I left off my list), Bruce or Reed, those three can be difference makers and are/were playing well this year.

they should have had value, at least IMO.

If you knew before the season that the Mets were going to unload Duda, Bruce, and Reed, plus throw in Merandy Gonzalez who was having a great year, and asked you what you thought the Mets could get back would you have Said Ramos and 4 middle relievers?

I don't think so.

So, sure while I agree it's addition by subtraction or they would not have re-signed any of these guys that's not the point. they probably weren't re-signing Beltran either and they get a top 30 prospect for him - none of these guys is 2011 Beltran, but I didn't expect a bag of balls either.

RE: What is the  
ZGiants98 : 8/13/2017 4:33 pm : link
In comment 13558792 XBRONX said:
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Mets lineup going to look like next year?


Mets are signing at least one veteran bat. Probably two. Im guessing both for big bucks and that's where the money is spent.

I keep saying Yu Darvish simply because I think the only way you upgrade the rotation is with a TOR starter. Signing backened guys or even guys coming off series injuries Cobb/Lynn likely arent going to help us much. If Thor/deGrom go down next year we will be in a world of hurt all over again. That said, I dont think its likely we go after Darvish. We may just do a "do-over". People will freak out about that but Flexen, Montero, and even "bad Gsellman" got valuable experience this year that should have us better equipped in the depth department.

Sadly, with the Ramos addition and all of the upside arms we added at the deadline, there's a good chance we stand pat on the pen as well. Maybe we add one guy. Im thinking more Joe Smith than McGee though.

Dream offseason would be  
ZGiants98 : 8/13/2017 4:37 pm : link
Moustakas, Bruce, Darvish, and Reed/McGee

Realistic offseason...

Nunez, Bruce, Joe Smith.
Can the PTBNL be a way to get around rule V?  
Eric on Li : 8/13/2017 5:56 pm : link
Asking because of this from MLBTR:

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Also, Stearns and Mets GM Sandy Alderson both hinted that it may be some months before the two teams determine the player to be named who will go to the Mets in return for Walker.
Speculation  
DanMetroMan : 8/13/2017 6:38 pm : link
is the player will be based on how the Brewers do the rest of the way. We know it's NOT a 2017 pick, that was outlawed.
RE: Speculation  
BigBlueShock : 8/13/2017 6:53 pm : link
In comment 13559043 DanMetroMan said:
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is the player will be based on how the Brewers do the rest of the way. We know it's NOT a 2017 pick, that was outlawed.

How the Brewers do or how Walker does? The idea makes sense if it's based on Walker but if it's the other way, what happens if Walker hits the DL again soon but the Brewers still make the playoffs?
It's usually based on how the team does.  
ZGiants98 : 8/13/2017 6:59 pm : link
The Brewers traded for him in hopes of making the postseason. Maybe he helps in the locker room, in the field, or with the bat but ultimately that's the goal. Hitters are so streaky I think it would be difficult to quantify performance.
I assume the Mets have a list of players they can choose from  
Eric on Li : 8/13/2017 7:47 pm : link
after the season. And I guess depending on the date (or the rules for PTBNL trades) it could conceivably be a way to either keep a player on MIL's 40 man, or choose after the rule 5?
RE: I assume the Mets have a list of players they can choose from  
Jim in Fairfax : 8/13/2017 8:17 pm : link
In comment 13559087 Eric on Li said:
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after the season. And I guess depending on the date (or the rules for PTBNL trades) it could conceivably be a way to either keep a player on MIL's 40 man, or choose after the rule 5?

That's possible. PTBNL must be named within 6 months. Rule 5 draft is in December.
They  
DanMetroMan : 8/14/2017 7:38 am : link
did change the regular draft rules. 2017 picks can be traded the day after the WS, however they can't be PTNL until that time as well aka the player the Mets will be receiving can't be a 2017 pick.
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DanMetroMan : 8/14/2017 11:38 am : link
It's not a huge deal but should Dom Smith really be out eating cheesesteaks while in Philly given the public discussion of his weight? Bad optics if you ask me.
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feelflows : 8/14/2017 11:41 am : link
In comment 13559725 DanMetroMan said:
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It's not a huge deal but should Dom Smith really be out eating cheesesteaks while in Philly given the public discussion of his weight? Bad optics if you ask me.


Who cares about optics.

Go out and produce and nobody gives two craps.
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DanMetroMan : 8/14/2017 11:44 am : link
In comment 13559733 feelflows said:
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It's not a huge deal but should Dom Smith really be out eating cheesesteaks while in Philly given the public discussion of his weight? Bad optics if you ask me.



Who cares about optics.

Go out and produce and nobody gives two craps.


They do when scouts acknowledged it's impacted his play in the field this season. He's been viewed as a plus defensive player and it's been said his movement at 1b has not been very good this season. Gotta believe that's weight related as he's not injured.
PS  
DanMetroMan : 8/14/2017 11:46 am : link
Metabolism slows down. If he's 250 now and we want him to have a long career what does he look like at 26-28 if he doesn't watch himself?
"Who cares"?  
DanMetroMan : 8/14/2017 11:48 am : link
Is kind of silly when Smith himself said this during ST (when he got into better shape)

“I was kind of, a little bit uncomfortable toward the end of the year,” Smith said. “Very tired, and my legs hurt a little bit. I wanted to change my regimen, eat healthier, and not just go on a diet but just change my lifestyle, just have a clean, healthy lifestyle.”

he's 22 years old  
pjcas18 : 8/14/2017 11:49 am : link
he needs to worry about his health like all athletes do, but people are more productive when they're happy.

Let him live a little, get his feet wet, learn the ropes of the majors, and get himself in shape again off-season.

and hopefully as he matures figure out a way to stay in shape during the season.

I agree if you want to focus on it the optics look bad, but in the grand scheme of things I don't care about it. Yet.

.  
DanMetroMan : 8/14/2017 11:50 am : link
Rough second half but Patrick Mazeika promoted to AA, Alonso has to be joining him pretty soon right? #Mets
Mazeika  
DanMetroMan : 8/14/2017 11:52 am : link
847 OPS first half, .706 second half. Rough profile as a "meh" fielding C (tougher than a + defensive catcher because that's a solid backup profile) but he has a shot to be a big leaguer.
Alonso  
DanMetroMan : 8/14/2017 11:53 am : link
second half 1.028 OPS, 13 homers, 20 doubles over 186 ab's
Dan  
Mike in NY : 8/14/2017 11:59 am : link
Any scouting report on Jeremy Vasquez? As a 2017 draftee after his Junior year at Nova Southeastern his production is surprising even for his experience.
RE: Dan  
DanMetroMan : 8/14/2017 12:07 pm : link
In comment 13559770 Mike in NY said:
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Any scouting report on Jeremy Vasquez? As a 2017 draftee after his Junior year at Nova Southeastern his production is surprising even for his experience.


He was a big HS prospect, went to Florida, didn't hit as expected and was about to lose playing time so he transferred to JUCO. I generally don't get too excited about guys college guys mashing at that level (especially short 1b) but he's probably someone we should keep an eye on. He's been on the radar long enough to be a "maybe something".
Yikes  
DanMetroMan : 8/14/2017 12:18 pm : link
Seidler from BP (a Mets fan no less) has the system bottom 5 going into next year if both Rosario/Smith graduate
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RE: Yikes  
Shecky : 8/14/2017 12:54 pm : link
In comment 13559813 DanMetroMan said:
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Do I guess bonus points for calling 25th months ago lol. "Sustainable long term success"
RE: RE: Yikes  
DanMetroMan : 8/14/2017 1:31 pm : link
In comment 13559894 Shecky said:
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Seidler from BP (a Mets fan no less) has the system bottom 5 going into next year if both Rosario/Smith graduate Link - ( New Window )


Do I guess bonus points for calling 25th months ago lol. "Sustainable long term success"


Bow to Shecky lol
FG's  
DanMetroMan : 8/14/2017 1:39 pm : link
Mets top 10

1 Rosario
2 Smith
3 Gimenez
4 Peterson
5 Dunn
6 Mauricio
7 Vientos
8 Flexen
9 Szapucki
10 Alonso
To me that's a combination for a regime change  
pjcas18 : 8/14/2017 1:40 pm : link
awful on the field, awful in the minors = you suck in the front office.

of course the injuries explain a lot of it as do the graduations of Smith and Rosario, but not all of it.

I know there will be no GM regime change though, I read Alderson expects to be with the Mets in 2018 but I have heard no formal announcement. I did read some speculation that they'd move Sandy up to Team President or something and make Ricco GM, but haven't seen it formalized.

I'd cut the cord on the whole program.

Throw a ton of cash at DePo or Chaim Bloom, Jason McLeod from CHI/BOS, or Jared Porter.

Bottom ten  
Shecky : 8/14/2017 1:54 pm : link
Franchise winning percentage this year.
That doesn't mean much typically. But they have loaded up on safe, college ready organizational fillers as opposed to long shot reach for the star types. So the lower minors SHOULD be good.

Winning franchises tend to produce winning players. They expect to win. They learn to win. They don't accept not winning. You 'sustain success' via your winning system.

It's been a slow leak. But it was visible, you could see it coming the past several years. And nothing was done to infuse the system. That's a really big problem, at least in my humble opinion.
One fan appealing under the radar move  
Shecky : 8/14/2017 1:57 pm : link
That is supposedly happening (at least looked into) is the minor league/spring training staff. Rehab. Injury treatment/prevention. Etc.
RE: One fan appealing under the radar move  
pjcas18 : 8/14/2017 2:02 pm : link
In comment 13560007 Shecky said:
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That is supposedly happening (at least looked into) is the minor league/spring training staff. Rehab. Injury treatment/prevention. Etc.


Would have been nice to have before Szapucki's impingement turned into TJS and Humphreys was injured, who knows where he's headed.
RE: One fan appealing under the radar move  
arcarsenal : 8/14/2017 2:03 pm : link
In comment 13560007 Shecky said:
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That is supposedly happening (at least looked into) is the minor league/spring training staff. Rehab. Injury treatment/prevention. Etc.


Long, long overdue.
Puma  
DanMetroMan : 8/14/2017 5:24 pm : link
says interest in Grandy has picked up. Might as well move him to get ab's for Nimmo.
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