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Devin Taylor

Spike13 : 8/13/2017 1:45 am
What a great acquisition. A three dimensional player, who started 16 games with the Lions last year. Taylor is plug & play, with a motor that doesn't stop. Wow, is Ziggy that good, or has Reese hit the proverbial Homerun this year. Belicheck's been acquiring blue chippers', to fill gaps for more then a decade now, & I think Reese gets it. If Bromley & Taylor, play when it counts Mykea Thompson (sp.), will be persona-non-grata by week two.
Agreed  
bLiTz 2k : 8/13/2017 2:19 am : link
Bob Papa made a great comment, basically stating how the Giants were able to acquire a 16 game starter from last year, and have the luxury of having him fight for a rotational job.

Great signing and I hope he sticks.
I don't know...  
Milton : 8/13/2017 3:34 am : link
Someone needs to explain why the best offer he received was a one-year minimum deal with a team in which he would be competing for a roster spot and had zero chance of starting. The film on him from last year must've been awful.
He was one of the lowest rated DEs in the league last year  
ZogZerg : 8/13/2017 7:02 am : link
It depends if Spags can find a role for him.
RE: I don't know...  
mrvax : 8/13/2017 7:16 am : link
In comment 13558615 Milton said:
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Someone needs to explain why the best offer he received was a one-year minimum deal with a team in which he would be competing for a roster spot and had zero chance of starting. The film on him from last year must've been awful.


At 6'8", Taylor is quite capable of eating you out of house & home.
For what it's worth  
blueblood'11 : 8/13/2017 7:20 am : link
Looking at his stats from the previous two years I would think Spags will use him situationally. At six foot seven he has the potential to knock down a lot of passes and he did have 11.5 sacks the past two years with the Lions with seven of them coming in 2015. Couple that with the depth and talent the Giants posses right now which is arguably the deepest and potentially the best in the league I would say he is a nice addition and could have a very good impact by default because of it.
If the Jints cut him  
ChicagoMarty : 8/13/2017 8:30 am : link
the Cows will sign him before the end of the day
RE: If the Jints cut him  
Milton : 8/13/2017 9:07 am : link
In comment 13558645 ChicagoMarty said:
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the Cows will sign him before the end of the day
Why didn't they sign him at the beginning of the day? That's what I don't get.
Put him next to JPP  
Chip : 8/13/2017 9:08 am : link
and let them block kicks
RE: I don't know...  
Klaatu : 8/13/2017 9:16 am : link
In comment 13558615 Milton said:
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Someone needs to explain why the best offer he received was a one-year minimum deal with a team in which he would be competing for a roster spot and had zero chance of starting. The film on him from last year must've been awful.


It's a good question, and I wish I had an answer for you, but I don't. I can speculate, though, and "rumor control" has it that Taylor became Teryl Austin's whipping boy for every one of Detroit's defensive failures, and that Austin was not shy about it. Again, just a rumor, unsubstantiated, but worth considering. If your DC is going to scapegoat you (even if he has a good reason to do it) word is going to get around and it's going to turn a lot of potential suitors off.

Regardless, Taylor had his best season with Detroit in 2015, when he came off the bench, and barring injury ***knocks on wood*** that's what he'd be doing for us. Could be he's just not cut out to start, but he's worth his salt in a limited role as, say, a situational pass-rusher. We'll see.
How can a reasonably talented 6' 8" guy  
Big Blue '56 : 8/13/2017 9:30 am : link
not be a factor situationally?
Good candidate  
George : 8/13/2017 9:31 am : link
for the NASCAR package.
RE: How can a reasonably talented 6' 8  
Milton : 8/13/2017 9:48 am : link
In comment 13558673 Big Blue '56 said:
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not be a factor situationally?
What if he is buried on the depth chart behind shorter, but more talented players? The Giants don't need six defensive ends.
He would get rooted in the running game  
RetroJint : 8/13/2017 10:50 am : link
Plays way too high to be an every- down factor. Highly susceptible to cut blocks though many of those are now illegal. His niche will likely be as you saw Fri night. The zone blitz middle coverage where he can snare some of those ill-advised touch passes just beyond the LOS.
RE: He would get rooted in the running game  
Big Blue '56 : 8/13/2017 11:04 am : link
In comment 13558710 RetroJint said:
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Plays way too high to be an every- down factor. Highly susceptible to cut blocks though many of those are now illegal. His niche will likely be as you saw Fri night. The zone blitz middle coverage where he can snare some of those ill-advised touch passes just beyond the LOS.


Agreed. Unless he surprises, I don't see him as anymore that a situational guy for Spags.
If he can rush the passer  
Bluesbreaker : 8/13/2017 11:17 am : link
than he should stick the pass rush will make our defense
a turnover machine . He is a bargain if he can provide
a half dozen sacks no ?
RE: He would get rooted in the running game  
Milton : 8/13/2017 11:39 am : link
In comment 13558710 RetroJint said:
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Plays way too high to be an every- down factor. Highly susceptible to cut blocks though many of those are now illegal. His niche will likely be as you saw Fri night. The zone blitz middle coverage where he can snare some of those ill-advised touch passes just beyond the LOS.
You don't need to be 6'7" to drop into coverage on a zone blitz (and btw, he has zero interceptions in four years of regular season play). He's a defensive end, his niche needs to either be rushing the passer or stopping the run. If he isn't better at one or both of those things than Okwara and/or Wynn, he will be on the street looking for another team come September (I'm assuming Moss makes the team on upside and draft status).

The Giants defense  
David B. : 8/13/2017 12:05 pm : link
Needs at least ONE OTHER pass rusher to step up -- other than JPP and OV on passing downs. The Giants had that in both SB runs, and they did not have it last year. JPP and OV just didn't get TO the QB enough, even though they had a lot of pressures. They need a third guy that can get there when those guys are being handled.

Taylor can be a part of that rotation (along with Ross and Wynn), come up the middle with his 6'8" arms up, bat down balls etc.

Should be Moss and Wynn  
David B. : 8/13/2017 12:05 pm : link
and Okwara
Devin Taylor  
Carson53 : 8/13/2017 1:18 pm : link
at the very least knows where to be, when he drops off the
line into coverage. You recall when Tuck use to try and
do it, that was not pretty. When it works, D Coord. looks
damn smart. He seemed athletic running after the INT. as well.
He could be an interesting pick up, we will see.
RE: RE: He would get rooted in the running game  
chopperhatch : 8/13/2017 1:32 pm : link
In comment 13558746 Milton said:
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Plays way too high to be an every- down factor. Highly susceptible to cut blocks though many of those are now illegal. His niche will likely be as you saw Fri night. The zone blitz middle coverage where he can snare some of those ill-advised touch passes just beyond the LOS.

You don't need to be 6'7" to drop into coverage on a zone blitz (and btw, he has zero interceptions in four years of regular season play). He's a defensive end, his niche needs to either be rushing the passer or stopping the run. If he isn't better at one or both of those things than Okwara and/or Wynn, he will be on the street looking for another team come September (I'm assuming Moss makes the team on upside and draft status).


Obviously, but you don't think that having a 6'7" guy with athleticism and long arms makes a huge difference in how those dump offs are influenced? I do.
RE: RE: RE: He would get rooted in the running game  
Milton : 8/13/2017 2:36 pm : link
In comment 13558841 chopperhatch said:
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you don't think that having a 6'7" guy with athleticism and long arms makes a huge difference in how those dump offs are influenced
I think any of the Giants DE's would've intercepted that pass. It required very little athleticism and was the result of the play-call and not the player.

I have nothing against Devin Taylor, I'm just being realistic. He is not some diamond in the rough that the Giants lucked into for the league minimum because their scouts worked longer hours than the scouts on other teams. He is a former 4th round pick with four years of film on him including last year's as a starter. He has been well-studied by every single team in the NFL and the best offer he received was a one year minimum deal with no guaranteed money from a team in which he has no shot at being a starter and an uphill battle just to make the roster. Were there no other teams offering him the same minimum deal? Why didn't the Cowboys offer him the same deal? And if they did, why the hell didn't he accept it?

Money doesn't lie.
Of course money lies.  
Klaatu : 8/13/2017 3:27 pm : link
The league is full of guys that are overpaid and underpaid.
I watched the game  
BlackburnBalledOut : 8/13/2017 3:41 pm : link
i definitely noticed Taylor, he looked like he was a beneficiary of the defensive scheme on his int. Other then that he didnt really jump off the screen at me. I think Wynn looked much better.

But Taylor was definitely more of a positive than a negative.
RE: Of course money lies.  
Milton : 8/13/2017 3:52 pm : link
In comment 13558922 Klaatu said:
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The league is full of guys that are overpaid and underpaid.
Money tells you what someone really thinks. Whether they are right or wrong is another story. If Taylor was a little-known developmental player that required a lot of guesswork and projecting I would feel differently, but 32 teams had plenty of film from his four years in the league. They know his strengths and his weaknesses. And they were thoroughly unimpressed. I wonder how many teams were even offering him the minimum deal for him to have chosen the Giants. p.s.--I don't understand how it is he didn't wind up with the Cowboys if all it took was a non-guaranteed subsidized one-year minimum deal to sign him. It's as if teams didn't even want to risk him tearing an ACL in camp and then being stuck with him. That's quite an indictment for someone with his playing time experience.
RE: I watched the game  
Milton : 8/13/2017 3:54 pm : link
In comment 13558931 BlackburnBalledOut said:
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i definitely noticed Taylor, he looked like he was a beneficiary of the defensive scheme on his int. Other then that he didnt really jump off the screen at me. I think Wynn looked much better.
I thought Taylor's best play was the one in which Wynn got the sack, because it was Taylor's pressure up the middle which flushed Dobbs out of the pocket and into Wynn's arms.
RE: I don't know...  
djm : 8/13/2017 3:55 pm : link
In comment 13558615 Milton said:
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Someone needs to explain why the best offer he received was a one-year minimum deal with a team in which he would be competing for a roster spot and had zero chance of starting. The film on him from last year must've been awful.


Because he's an average at best starter.
Still not sure Taylor makes the team  
djm : 8/13/2017 3:57 pm : link
I don't remember the giants keeping 5 DEs before but maybe they would stash moss on the PS? JPP, Vernon, okwara, wynn and Taylor? If they can't stash moss one of Taylor wynn is history.
RE: RE: I don't know...  
Milton : 8/13/2017 3:59 pm : link
In comment 13558944 djm said:
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Someone needs to explain why the best offer he received was a one-year minimum deal with a team in which he would be competing for a roster spot and had zero chance of starting. The film on him from last year must've been awful.



Because he's an average at best starter.
There are teams in much greater need of an "average at best starter" than the Giants.
I think fans lose sight  
djm : 8/13/2017 4:08 pm : link
Of how dynamic or fluid the FA process truly is. We just assume that if a team has a need they can or should just sign the player available and that's that. I don't think it's ever that simple. Teams probably can't or don't vett every player out there. Players certainly aren't open to playing in any and every city. Who knows why Dallas or the skins or jaguars didn't sign Taylor. We aren't talking about Jason Taylor here for one thing. He's a jag. Giants likely struck fast and both parties made an impression on each other.
The Giants clearly  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 8/13/2017 4:30 pm : link
signed Taylor hoping to find someone to generate a add rush that wasnt named Pierre-Paul or Vernon, something sorely lacking last season. Something Taylor appeared to be providing against Pittsburgh.

Yet, you knuckleheads would have me believe that he will be cut in favor of the very schmucks that couldn't provide any pass rush last year?

It's still early, but if he continues to provide pressure he will be on the roster.

Wynn played well also, but Okwara and Wynn are far from untouchable.
* pass rush  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 8/13/2017 4:31 pm : link
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It definitely seems like Reese did a good job  
EricJ : 8/13/2017 4:47 pm : link
signing Taylor. Huge win for us.
RE: The Giants clearly  
Milton : 8/13/2017 4:47 pm : link
In comment 13558973 LakeGeorgeGiant said:
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signed Taylor hoping to find someone to generate a add rush that wasnt named Pierre-Paul or Vernon
Or maybe they signed him because he was a veteran who could provide insurance against injuries at the position during training camp. Not every new addition to the expanded 90-man roster is expected to be an improvement over the guys already here.
I'm trying to think back  
djm : 8/13/2017 9:55 pm : link
To how many DEs the Giants typically keep and can't remember. I want to say 4? Even in 2007 when they were loaded at DE kiwi was listed as a LB most likely and he played at LB. If memory serves they carried strahan, osi, tuck, and tollefson? I don't think awasom was on the active roster but maybe. So that's 5 maybe even 4. In 2011 they carried 5 assuming Justin trattou was on the active roster.

Given that improving the pass rush had to be a priority  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/13/2017 11:59 pm : link
You figure it's going to be JPP, Vernon, Okwara, Taylor, and perhaps one more guy between Moss, Wynn, and Owa.
With his height and athleticism, the Giants can use him  
GeofromNJ : 8/14/2017 12:24 am : link
to block field goal attempts.
Look at the film  
bigfish703 : 8/14/2017 2:41 am : link
Taylor's interception was not the only thing that stood out about him. He traveled some long distances to get near the ball. Those long legs get him places fast.

Believe your own eyes. NFL scouts & couches are not infallible. BBI bloggers should know that by this time.

Reese may have found a very useful pass rusher to play behind JPP and OV. Isn't that what they were looking for?
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