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Play Calling... Sullivan!

Fred-in-Florida : 8/13/2017 6:04 am
Seemed to me that Sullivan was calling the plays Friday. Is this a permanent move or just for the preseason. Until he really fails I'd like to have Sullivan calling plays. Mac should be overseeing the whole game. Eli is going to check off anyway to what he sees.The other thing there was a larger selection of plays, a good mixture of runs and passes. Last year in preseason it was so vanilla I just remember it being run, run, run and not much else.

On a different note, I was really disappointed in Richburg. As stated in many threads he was pushed back too much and couldn't hold the line of scrimmage.

Itís preseason  
Josh in the City : 8/13/2017 6:24 am : link
Donít read into it.
No Thanks. I would be ticked if Mac isn't calling the plays  
ZogZerg : 8/13/2017 7:03 am : link
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mrvax : 8/13/2017 7:09 am : link
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If Sully calls the plays, they are McAdoo's plays.
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Fred-in-Florida : 8/13/2017 7:30 am : link
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If Sully calls the plays, they are McAdoo's plays.


Exactly. It's called delegation. A good manager delegates the responsibility to his subordinates. They, Mac, Sullivan and I'm sure Eli have discussed the game plan during the week prior to the game. When the defense is on the field they can review what they liked, what worked and what needs to be changed.
Sully called the plays in pre-season last year too  
gidiefor : Mod : 8/13/2017 7:33 am : link
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It's too early  
CT Charlie : 8/13/2017 9:16 am : link
for Christmas.
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Milton : 8/13/2017 9:38 am : link
In comment 13558635 Fred-in-Florida said:
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It's called delegation. A good manager delegates the responsibility to his subordinates.
Not if the manager's job is at stake. McAdoo's job is to win football games. If he believes the Giants have a better chance of winning with him calling the plays, then he should be calling the plays. Play calling is more art than science, you can't just assume someone can do a good job just because they are well-studied at it.
It makes sense to have Sullivan calling plays in the preseason  
Milton : 8/13/2017 9:41 am : link
Because the preseason isn't about winning games, it's about talent evaluation.
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Fred-in-Florida : 8/13/2017 10:22 am : link
In comment 13558676 Milton said:
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It's called delegation. A good manager delegates the responsibility to his subordinates.

Not if the manager's job is at stake. McAdoo's job is to win football games. If he believes the Giants have a better chance of winning with him calling the plays, then he should be calling the plays. Play calling is more art than science, you can't just assume someone can do a good job just because they are well-studied at it.


Then why is he the Offensive Coordinator? Hire someone who MAc wants to call the plays. He doesn't call the defensive plays that's left to Spags. Maybe coming from the business world I have a different take. The best managers I worked for delegated and handled things at a higher level. The ones that were 'hands on' weren't effective managers. Everybody's job is on the line. You don't produce you're out.

Do we know if he's going to continue to let Sullivan call the plays once the season starts? If I recall last preseason they split the duties alternating the four games.

I wonder how many head coaches call their own plays? I'd be curious to know.
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Milton : 8/13/2017 11:15 am : link
In comment 13558696 Fred-in-Florida said:
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Then why is he the Offensive Coordinator? Hire someone who MAc wants to call the plays.
Probably because he doesn't believe there is anyone available that could do as good a job as he can or he would.
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He doesn't call the defensive plays that's left to Spags.
He didn't work his way up to head coach by first being a defensive coordinator. That's not his area of expertise.
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Maybe coming from the business world I have a different take.
Ergo your difficulty understanding McAdoo's choice, if you came from the sports world you would have a much different take on it.
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The best managers I worked for delegated and handled things at a higher level.
It's not like he doesn't delegate anything, he delegates plenty of tasks. But play-calling is one of those "higher level things" that McAdoo handles himself (I wonder if you're undervaluing the importance of playcalling).
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The ones that were 'hands on' weren't effective managers. Everybody's job is on the line. You don't produce you're out.
He's not hands on, he has others cutting up the film, coaching technique, scouting upcoming opponents, throwing the football, etc. All sorts of things are delegated to others by him.
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Do we know if he's going to continue to let Sullivan call the plays once the season starts? If I recall last preseason they split the duties alternating the four games.
Last year McAdoo called the plays in game three, which is the game where the starters play a full half of football (he needed at least one preseason game to practice being both head coach and play-caller). And then I'm pretty sure it went back to Sullivan calling plays in game four (because once again the game was all about talent evaluation).

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I wonder how many head coaches call their own plays? I'd be curious to know.
Mike McCarthy does and he was McAdoo's mentor. It's not uncommon for former offensive coordinators to continue calling plays when they become a head coach. It's what got them there to begin with.
I believe Sean Payton calls his plays  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/13/2017 11:26 am : link
But I'm not definite on that.
Sullivan also called plays last pre-season  
Gregorio : 8/13/2017 12:58 pm : link
so, I wouldn't look into this too deeply.

Everyone likely has an opinion on this, but I've felt for a long time, a beginning head coach in the NFL, like McAdoo, has way too many issues to deal, to also effectively manage the burden of play calling.

Hire the best O-coordinator you can, and give that responsibility to him.

In special situations, game on the line, sees the O-coordinator making bad decisions, he should by all means take over.
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