There are a number of battles going on at the end of quite a few units. Who are we rooting for?
I'm hoping for...
Geno Smith over Josh Johnson. He's simply more talented.
Shane Smith over Josh Huesman. I want a mauler.
Darius Powe over Roger Lewis/Travis Rudolph. Love having another tall target if Marshall goes down. He also seems to be getting open and has the best hands.
Devin Taylor over ?. Like having a tall DE with experience as a rotational player. We have so much talent at DE a good player or two is going to get cut.
Stansly Maponga over JT Thomas. Enough is enough with Thomas. Time for new blood.
Donte Deyon over Valentino Blake. Sy had Deyon as one of the only CB that could stick with Odel in camp. He might not be great returning the ball on specials but with Harris that shouldn't be an issue.
Aldrick Rosas over Mike NUgent. Rooting for the kid with the big leg.
Who are you rooting for?
I don't disagree with what you're saying... they're obviously not giving Webb a legitimate chance to compete. It's just that neither of these guys (Johnson or Geno) is Matt Hasselback or Jon Kitna. Holding a roster spot for a guy who can't reasonably be expected to win a game isn't optimal roster usage.
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in practice. There is no chance in a million years they are rolling with him as the only backup QB. It's just not happening.
I don't disagree with what you're saying... they're obviously not giving Webb a legitimate chance to compete. It's just that neither of these guys (Johnson or Geno) is Matt Hasselback or Jon Kitna. Holding a roster spot for a guy who can't reasonably be expected to win a game isn't optimal roster usage.
Yup. I still think there is an advantage of having a vet though. If Eli is lost for the year, we are done. However, if Eli gets a high ankle sprain and has to miss a month, I want a veteran that isn't going to have deer in the headlights. Johnson hasn't played in years. Geno might be a bit of a gun slinger but I'll still take that over the current options. Maybe he has a big game or maybe he kills us but at least there is a chance we split those games until Eli returns.
Perkins, Darkwa, Vereen, Gallman, (Abdullah)
Smith
Ellison, Engram, Adams, LaCosse, (Thompson)
Beckham, Marshall, Shepard, King, Harris, Powe, (Johnson)
Flowers, Pugh, Richburg, Bowie, Fluker, Jones, Bisnowaty, (Gettis), (Wheeler)
Harrison, Bromley, Thomas, Tomlinson, (Jones)
JPP, Vernon, Okwara, Moss, Wynn, Taylor, (Williams)
Casillas, Robinson, Goodson, Kennard, Maponga, Munson, (Skinner)
Collins, Pinkins
Adams, Thompson, (Robinson)
Jenkins, DRC, Apple, Hunter, DD, (Tribune)
Deossie, WIng, Rosas
I know, but you said who are we rooting for, backup QB was the only area I had a disagreement, unlikely, but best case IMO.
I hate 3 QBs on the roster.
It's often been said of Belichick's patriots that roster spots 1 - 22 are comparable to other teams but 23 - 53 is where he wins. Because he can coach.
I hate to give up the potential Matthew McCants or Wallace Gillbery's for Geno Smith.
though, acknowledging the flaws in this argument sometimes the Matthew McCant's or Wallace Gillbery's are Corey Washington or Ramses Barden and get held too long.
so it's not a strong feeling, just my preference.
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in practice. There is no chance in a million years they are rolling with him as the only backup QB. It's just not happening.
I know, but you said who are we rooting for, backup QB was the only area I had a disagreement, unlikely, but best case IMO.
I hate 3 QBs on the roster.
It's often been said of Belichick's patriots that roster spots 1 - 22 are comparable to other teams but 23 - 53 is where he wins. Because he can coach.
I hate to give up the potential Matthew McCants or Wallace Gillbery's for Geno Smith.
though, acknowledging the flaws in this argument sometimes the Matthew McCant's or Wallace Gillbery's are Corey Washington or Ramses Barden and get held too long.
so it's not a strong feeling, just my preference.
I gotcha. I mostly agree as well.
Johnson had a few bad plays -- but he did enough to get a TD and a field goal in his 1 and a half quarters and made no major game changing mistakes
Johnson is a much better game manager right now than either Smith or Davis -- Davis was not under center by the way for one snap -- he's a work in progress. Right now you can not turn the team over to him -- you only do that if Eli's career is over.
Um, how do you know that was Geno's fault? To me, it very easily could have been that the WR ran the wrong route. It looked like it was suppose to be a comeback of some sort but the receiver ran deep.
Milton, it was his first real life NFL game experience. You can tell he was trying to get a feel out there especially on his first play. He settled down and was hitting his spots. I was impressed with how he battled back. Can you really be critical of a rookie on his first attempt ever after barely getting any reps in practice? Nobody is saying he is great or deserves the number 2 spot. However, what I am saying is that Geno and Josh don't inspire much of anything so why not give the rookie more of a chance?
And still no Jerry? You're missing Herzlich too. Anything's possible but that doesn't sound realistic.
So if you're keeping only five cornerbacks and Deayon is the 5th best cover corner (and maybe even the 4th best when it comes to covering the likes of DeSean Jackson and Cole Beasley) but useless on specials and a liability versus the run, does he make your 53 man roster?
Disclaimer: This is just a hypothetical based on assorted camp reports. I don't have a strong opinion about the guy one way or another.
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I don't think Josh Johnson was all that bad --
I think much is being made for a few bad mistakes in the first preseason game. I can all but guarantee the Giants aren't saying bye bye birdie to Johnson just yet despite BBI saying bye bye birdie.
Plus, Geno got worse as the game progressed. I also don't understand bbi's hope that geno wins the job. He scares the shit out of me. He should scare the shit out of everyone. If he makes it good for him but I'd rather not see him playing football in big moments here.
No. There is no exact science with regards to QB development, but anybody can see Johnson doesn't have the right stuff in the way he commanded the field on plays that required his involvement. He was panicky, missed open receivers, ran when he need to stay, etc. Overall lack of poise. And this isn't a rookie which is why the Giants are staying with him.
Move on. I don't know if Geno or Webb are going to be the guy, but Johnson is not...
So if you're keeping only five cornerbacks and Deayon is the 5th best cover corner (and maybe even the 4th best when it comes to covering the likes of DeSean Jackson and Cole Beasley) but useless on specials and a liability versus the run, does he make your 53 man roster?
Disclaimer: This is just a hypothetical based on assorted camp reports. I don't have a strong opinion about the guy one way or another.
How sure are we he can't play on specials? He might suck returning the ball but that doesn't mean he can't be a gunner or contribute in other ways. Harris should return kicks but after him I'm sure there are still many options (Darkwa, King, Gallman, ect.)
As far as DD is concerned I remember a pre-season game at night against the Patriots back in 89' when David Meggett lost two or three punts in the lights and looked like just another wasted 5th round pick. If not DD then the 5th corner might not be on the roster.
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He missed an open receiver by a wide margin on his first throw and most of his other throws were off his back foot. At least that's what I was thinking watching it in real time. I haven't revisited it so my memory could be off.
Milton, it was his first real life NFL game experience. You can tell he was trying to get a feel out there especially on his first play. He settled down and was hitting his spots. I was impressed with how he battled back. Can you really be critical of a rookie on his first attempt ever after barely getting any reps in practice? Nobody is saying he is great or deserves the number 2 spot. However, what I am saying is that Geno and Josh don't inspire much of anything so why not give the rookie more of a chance?
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A cornerback's primary job is to cover and Deayon appears to be good at that, especially as regards those quicker, shiftier receivers. But he also needs to support the run and--if he's not a starter--play on special teams. And that's where he is lacking.
So if you're keeping only five cornerbacks and Deayon is the 5th best cover corner (and maybe even the 4th best when it comes to covering the likes of DeSean Jackson and Cole Beasley) but useless on specials and a liability versus the run, does he make your 53 man roster?
Disclaimer: This is just a hypothetical based on assorted camp reports. I don't have a strong opinion about the guy one way or another.
How sure are we he can't play on specials? He might suck returning the ball but that doesn't mean he can't be a gunner or contribute in other ways. Harris should return kicks but after him I'm sure there are still many options (Darkwa, King, Gallman, ect.)
Can he be a gunner at his size? I have concerns about that but maybe other players his size have made it work. I think he has to be a returner or he won't contribute to special teams.
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A cornerback's primary job is to cover and Deayon appears to be good at that, especially as regards those quicker, shiftier receivers. But he also needs to support the run and--if he's not a starter--play on special teams. And that's where he is lacking.
So if you're keeping only five cornerbacks and Deayon is the 5th best cover corner (and maybe even the 4th best when it comes to covering the likes of DeSean Jackson and Cole Beasley) but useless on specials and a liability versus the run, does he make your 53 man roster?
Disclaimer: This is just a hypothetical based on assorted camp reports. I don't have a strong opinion about the guy one way or another.
How sure are we he can't play on specials? He might suck returning the ball but that doesn't mean he can't be a gunner or contribute in other ways.
Rosas at kicker ... huge leg, looked great Friday, and let's just lock in a kicker for the next decade instead of watching solid young kickers go to Denver/Pitt for "solid vets"
Worried about kicking the FG? Score a f'ing TD and its irrelevant.