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RasputinPrime : 8/13/2017 7:07 pm
1. Eduardo Nunez (R) 3B .400/.429/.800, 2.2 fWAR
2. Mookie Betts (R) RF .269/.343/.462, 4.3 fWAR
3. Andrew Benintendi (L) LF .269/.355/.420, 1.9 fWAR
4. Hanley Ramirez (R) 1B .250/.337/.432, 0.1 fWAR
5. Chris Young (R) DH .251/.332/.428, -0.2 fWAR
6. Xander Bogaerts (R) SS .280/.336/.404, 1.8 fWAR
7. Brock Holt (L) 2B .200/.293/.215, -0.4 fWAR
8. Sandy Leon (S) CA .245/.301/.391, 0.3 fWAR
9. Jackie Bradley Jr. (L) CF .259/.332/.434, 1.8 fWAR

Chris Sale (L): (153.1 IP, 2.70 ERA, 6.3 RA-9 WAR)
vs.
Jordan Montgomery (L): (115.2 IP, 4.05 ERA, 4.36 RA-9 WAR)

1. Brett Gardner (L) LF .261/.354/.454, 2.5 fWAR
2. Aaron Hicks (S) CF .290/.398/.515, 2.7 fWAR
3. Aaron Judge (R) RF .299/.424/.627, 5.9 fWAR
4. Gary Sanchez (R) DH .265/.339/.488, 2.5 fWAR
5. Todd Frazier (R) 3B .200/.333/.309, 1.4 fWAR
6. Didi Gregorius (L) SS .308/.333/.504, 3.6 fWAR
7. Chase Headley (S) 1B .271/.350/.399, 1.6 fWAR
8. Ronald Torreyes (R) 2B .288/.306/.372, 0.5 fWAR
9. Austin Romine (R) CA .221/.283/.297, -0.4 fWAR
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WTF was Farrell trying to do there?  
mfsd : 8/13/2017 11:11 pm : link
Change pitchers after one pitch to Ellsbury?

And here comes Kimbrel...straight out of casting for the next Predator movie
RE: RE: Awesome.  
section125 : 8/13/2017 11:14 pm : link
In comment 13559318 section125 said:
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Bunt a runner over for Jacoby Ellsbury. Hope Gardy has another walkoff in him.



He has had a bad night.


Looked at two hittable pitches and swings at shit.
Oh well.  
adamg : 8/13/2017 11:14 pm : link
At least this plays to our strengths.
Chapman  
B in ALB : 8/13/2017 11:21 pm : link
Holy asshairs.
RE: Chapman  
adamg : 8/13/2017 11:21 pm : link
In comment 13559330 B in ALB said:
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Holy asshairs.


:/
Oh well  
adamg : 8/13/2017 11:23 pm : link
Fucking eh
#NotMyCloser  
bceagle05 : 8/13/2017 11:24 pm : link
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How good is Chapman this year?  
Dave in Hoboken : 8/13/2017 11:24 pm : link
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Painful Twitter stat of the day  
adamg : 8/13/2017 11:25 pm : link
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Yankees 20th blown save this season. Only the Mariners (22) have more in MLB.
Could we realistically use Chapman as anything other than  
adamg : 8/13/2017 11:26 pm : link
closer though?
Right now  
bceagle05 : 8/13/2017 11:26 pm : link
Dellin, Kahnle and Robbie are all pitching better. Can make an argument for Warren, too.
Biggest downfall for the Yankees this year  
nyjuggernaut2 : 8/13/2017 11:28 pm : link
has been their bullpen late in games. Second in MLB in blown saves this year with 20. League average is 13. Take away seven of those 20 saves and they sitting at 68-47.
RE: Right now  
section125 : 8/13/2017 11:29 pm : link
In comment 13559347 bceagle05 said:
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Dellin, Kahnle and Robbie are all pitching better. Can make an argument for Warren, too.


How's Kahnle look right now?
RE: Biggest downfall for the Yankees this year  
adamg : 8/13/2017 11:29 pm : link
In comment 13559351 nyjuggernaut2 said:
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has been their bullpen late in games. Second in MLB in blown saves this year with 20. League average is 13. Take away seven of those 20 saves and they sitting at 68-47.


Can't say that definitely, can you? Blown saves aren't the same as loses...
RE: Right now  
Greg from LI : 8/13/2017 11:29 pm : link
In comment 13559347 bceagle05 said:
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Dellin, Kahnle and Robbie are all pitching better. Can make an argument for Warren, too.


....he says as Kahnle walks the bases loaded
Fuck this shit man  
adamg : 8/13/2017 11:32 pm : link
Why does this team self-destruct so frequently? It's fucking unreal how unlucky/unclutch this team has been this year. FUCK.
RE: RE: Right now  
section125 : 8/13/2017 11:32 pm : link
In comment 13559352 section125 said:
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Dellin, Kahnle and Robbie are all pitching better. Can make an argument for Warren, too.



How's Kahnle look right now?


And now. You cannot keep throwing garbage pitches and hope they swing.
Chappy blew the save in the ninth  
bceagle05 : 8/13/2017 11:33 pm : link
and walked two in the tenth. After being bailed out on Friday by Hicks. He's been pretty bad.
RE: Chappy blew the save in the ninth  
Dave in Hoboken : 8/13/2017 11:33 pm : link
In comment 13559362 bceagle05 said:
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and walked two in the tenth. After being bailed out on Friday by Hicks. He's been pretty bad.


Yeah. He's been a disappointment this year.
The vaunted BP  
section125 : 8/13/2017 11:36 pm : link
is now pretty overrated.

That was such chicken shit pitching the Bennitendi..
Despise how the manager uses the pen  
xman : 8/13/2017 11:36 pm : link
questionable
Devers homer  
Phil in LA : 8/13/2017 11:37 pm : link
came after he had arleady struck out and the ump had called a strike a ball.
What a great catch  
adamg : 8/13/2017 11:37 pm : link
Grit
RE: The vaunted BP  
adamg : 8/13/2017 11:38 pm : link
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is now pretty overrated.

That was such chicken shit pitching the Bennitendi..


Three changeups to start him off. He could just sit looking up in the zone... ugh
pitch Devers hit out  
RasputinPrime : 8/13/2017 11:39 pm : link
fasted pitch turned into a hit since 2008. It's just amazeballs the crap we run into against this team.
Devers  
Kyle in NY : 8/13/2017 11:40 pm : link
went the other way on a 103 mph fastball up in the zone. Tip your cap.

But you can't hit Jackie Bradley with an 0-2 count and you can't walk Eduardo fucking Nunez. Too much of this shit this season from all of them out there at one point or another.
Joe will trot Chappy out there even if he  
xman : 8/13/2017 11:41 pm : link
pulls a Clippard 5 games in a row. Not like a Billy Martin who would shake things up
Brutal loss  
MookGiants : 8/13/2017 11:50 pm : link
that likely ends any chance they had to win the division.
Can't wait to build a team  
bceagle05 : 8/13/2017 11:50 pm : link
that destroys those fuckers.
RE: Brutal loss  
adamg : 8/13/2017 11:51 pm : link
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that likely ends any chance they had to win the division.


I don't know about that. Our hitting and closer seem to be taking care of that by themselves...
RE: Joe will trot Chappy out there even if he  
section125 : 8/13/2017 11:52 pm : link
In comment 13559379 xman said:
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pulls a Clippard 5 games in a row. Not like a Billy Martin who would shake things up


Yeah, bring in Kahnle so he can walk a guy on 5 pitches then go 3-0 on junk to Bennintendi..
Probably battling for only  
Kyle in NY : 8/13/2017 11:54 pm : link
the Wild Card now. That's a really tough one.

RE: Probably battling for only  
Dave in Hoboken : 8/13/2017 11:54 pm : link
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the Wild Card now. That's a really tough one.


Yep, most likely, barring a small miracle.
Amazing how many brutal losses we've had for a team  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 8/13/2017 11:55 pm : link
that still holds a playoff spot. This or Betances blown save in Chicago had to be the worst loss of the season. IDGAF what Devers did... Chapman shit the bed and damn near shitted us into being swept.
Just think about it,  
Dave in Hoboken : 8/13/2017 11:59 pm : link
we went thru a significant period of time of Betances struggling mightily. Now, Chapman is doing the same. Tough to win when your 8th and 9th inning guys struggle for months at a time, and at different times of the season. Then, if that's not enough, the offense has been shit for awhile. Not to mention some of the brutal injuries that have kept some guys out for months at a time (Hicks, Castro, CC, Holiday with whatever he's going through because he was hot in the first half).

Yeah. That's way too much to overcome. It's a miracle they're still in the playoff hunt at this point.
That last post might come off as  
Dave in Hoboken : 8/14/2017 12:00 am : link
making excuses, that's not how I meant it. It's been a very disappointing 2nd half of the season thus far. Excuses or not.
21 one run losses this season  
Kyle in NY : 8/14/2017 12:01 am : link
Most in the AL
Chapman should be a lefty specialist, like a better version of Shreve.  
Del Shofner : 8/14/2017 12:03 am : link
Chapman is not a closer right now. The evidence is right there, we saw it Friday night. He needed a rest and to come back in a low pressure situation against a lefty or two.
RE: Just think about it,  
Kyle in NY : 8/14/2017 12:04 am : link
In comment 13559394 Dave in Hoboken said:
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we went thru a significant period of time of Betances struggling mightily. Now, Chapman is doing the same. Tough to win when your 8th and 9th inning guys struggle for months at a time, and at different times of the season. Then, if that's not enough, the offense has been shit for awhile. Not to mention some of the brutal injuries that have kept some guys out for months at a time (Hicks, Castro, CC, Holiday with whatever he's going through because he was hot in the first half).

Yeah. That's way too much to overcome. It's a miracle they're still in the playoff hunt at this point.


Shame of it is at 1-2 on Devers, after making Hanley look silly, I'm thinking it's the best Chap's looked all season and he's back. Devers looks special. That sucks.

It's hindsight but if he throws a slider there Devers would have been a mile ahead of it.
RE: RE: Just think about it,  
Dave in Hoboken : 8/14/2017 12:05 am : link
In comment 13559401 Kyle in NY said:
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we went thru a significant period of time of Betances struggling mightily. Now, Chapman is doing the same. Tough to win when your 8th and 9th inning guys struggle for months at a time, and at different times of the season. Then, if that's not enough, the offense has been shit for awhile. Not to mention some of the brutal injuries that have kept some guys out for months at a time (Hicks, Castro, CC, Holiday with whatever he's going through because he was hot in the first half).

Yeah. That's way too much to overcome. It's a miracle they're still in the playoff hunt at this point.



Shame of it is at 1-2 on Devers, after making Hanley look silly, I'm thinking it's the best Chap's looked all season and he's back. Devers looks special. That sucks.

It's hindsight but if he throws a slider there Devers would have been a mile ahead of it.


Yeah, he looked really good before the HR. Then, walking the first 2 batters in the 10th was just the icing on the cake. Might've gotten in his head. Not good.
Oddly enough, I think Chapman's issues were the same as Betances...  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 8/14/2017 12:15 am : link
Chappy looked the best he looked all season, then only pitched once in 10 days prior to Friday night. While I'm royally fucking pissed about tonight, it's difficult to have guys sit in the 'pen for over a week, then expect them to be at their best. Can't have guys sitting around waiting for save opportunities that never come.
RE: RE: Brutal loss  
Dave in Hoboken : 8/14/2017 12:36 am : link
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that likely ends any chance they had to win the division.



I don't know about that. Our hitting and closer seem to be taking care of that by themselves...


Yep. And BTW, you're still being stalked. Hahahahaha.
my takes:  
Stu11 : 8/14/2017 12:39 am : link
1. all of you that have already cemented our dynasty starting next year or the year after better put the brakes on. This team strikes out way way way too much. 15 more tonight. They just don't make contact enough. When you can't make contact you can scratch and claw your way to runs off guys like Sale. That's one thing I've totally underestimated about the Sox. They are way better at taking pitches and making contact.
2. 2 positions that can absolutely rip the heart out of a team are placekicker and closer. Since the all star Break Chappy has killed us. blew 2 games vs. the Sox and did everything he could to blow a 3rd Friday. How in god's name can Girardi bring him out for the 10th with Kahnle and Green in the pen? Especially once he drilled Bradley. I don't care how many strikes he's thrown, once a pitcher with control problems drills a guy he's done.
Oh and they can't bring automated HP umps in quick enough. How can he call the same exact pitch he called a ball the whole top of the 10th (4 times to Betts!) a strike to Judge in the bottom half???
Kahnle is another that has been hit a bit lately  
xman : 8/14/2017 2:33 am : link
He has given up some hard hit outs . Is he one trick pony 100MPH ?

Did we trot Chappy out for the 10th because of the lefty hitter leading off guy or for Chappy to pitch 2 innings? I think he hit the lead off batter? When lefty swinging Devers hit game tying homer earlier, maybe you think twice about bringing Chappy out for the 10th.

On Saturday deciding to pitch to Benintendy rather then walking him with first base open and men on second and third with one out blew up. Was that call a gut call or is that the way one plays that situation?

Joe seems to be off: not pushing the right button .

Minor adjustments could go a long way

Headley and Frazier on the field at the same time is ugly. Headley from the left side and Frazier platoon against lefties. Why isn't that kid Cooper playing more? Is Joe Dimaggio blocking his way?

Anyone think Judge is on the way to be put in the 5 hole? Is that 2 weeks too late ?

Its been a fun year to date with plenty more to come . Tough to swallow those 21 one run losses

RE: RE: Biggest downfall for the Yankees this year  
Percy : 8/14/2017 7:09 am : link
In comment 13559353 adamg said:
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has been their bullpen late in games. Second in MLB in blown saves this year with 20. League average is 13. Take away seven of those 20 saves and they sitting at 68-47.



Can't say that definitely, can you? Blown saves aren't the same as loses...


All true. But a blown save can't help but discourage the team and have a negative impact on the manager's judgement for the remainder of the game. That is, blown saves are not good things.

Chapman has had serious control problems this year. Rotor cuff issues? I don't know, but whatever it is probably can't be fixed this year.
Hoping this team has another run in them this season  
Vin R : 8/14/2017 9:20 am : link
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Yeah, I keep waiting for one more hot streak.  
bceagle05 : 8/14/2017 9:59 am : link
We've been playing shit baseball for awhile now.
RE: RE: RE: Brutal loss  
adamg : 8/14/2017 11:38 am : link
In comment 13559430 Dave in Hoboken said:
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that likely ends any chance they had to win the division.



I don't know about that. Our hitting and closer seem to be taking care of that by themselves...



Yep. And BTW, you're still being stalked. Hahahahaha.


Apparently I have an insidious character flaw. Sorry to bring down this thread by being me fellas.

And just some optimism, we're still only 5.5 back with all our problems, bad luck, and unclutchness. So if Chapman and the rest of the pen start performing at their level, teams better hope to score early.
RE: Kahnle is another that has been hit a bit lately  
mitch300 : 8/14/2017 1:45 pm : link
In comment 13559441 xman said:
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He has given up some hard hit outs . Is he one trick pony 100MPH ?

Did we trot Chappy out for the 10th because of the lefty hitter leading off guy or for Chappy to pitch 2 innings? I think he hit the lead off batter? When lefty swinging Devers hit game tying homer earlier, maybe you think twice about bringing Chappy out for the 10th.

On Saturday deciding to pitch to Benintendy rather then walking him with first base open and men on second and third with one out blew up. Was that call a gut call or is that the way one plays that situation?

Joe seems to be off: not pushing the right button .

Minor adjustments could go a long way

Headley and Frazier on the field at the same time is ugly. Headley from the left side and Frazier platoon against lefties. Why isn't that kid Cooper playing more? Is Joe Dimaggio blocking his way?

Anyone think Judge is on the way to be put in the 5 hole? Is that 2 weeks too late ?

Its been a fun year to date with plenty more to come . Tough to swallow those 21 one run losses

I questioned earlier in the thread before game time why Headley was in there instead of Cooper. Headley againsy lefties is batting like 220. I think it's time to move Judge out of the 3 spot. Keeep him in the lineup. But, I would move him down. Heard this morning that after going 38-22 the Yanks are 9 games under 500.
I was at the game  
mavric : 8/15/2017 9:12 am : link
My first time at the new stadium. Looks the same on the inside for all practical purposes, but the game is different. It's turned into a combo rock concert/baseball game with all the new techno-visual/audio stuff. Still trying to figure out in my head if all the crazy music and lights are a distraction to the game or if it enhances the game. It's no longer the old "buy me some peanuts and cracker jacks" while lazily watching the game in the sun.

My grandson is 16 and absolutely loved it....especially when Chapman came in and the lights dimmed and suddenly it looks like the whole building is on fire and add that crazy entry song at volumes good for 20 blocks away complete with sirens and Zeppelin-like guitar riffs blasting and everyone standing up and screaming and dancing.

Anyway, I was disappointed in the loss, but it was a great game to watch and my grandson (whose other grandfather has worked to make him a Mets fan since his birth) has converted to a Yankee fan. He even insisted on buying a Yankee hat. Said it was the best time he's ever had in his life.

Regardless, baseball is a funny game of hitting slumps, pitching slumps, and hot streaks. A season is a ride through the hills and valleys. In the end, the ONLY thing that matters is 1) making the playoffs and 2) be on a hot streak when the time comes. If Judge gets back on track, Hicks continues to find out he's a superstar in the making, Sanchez refinds his groove, and Didi continues to be Didi (love that guy) - and two or three of our starters are at the top of their game in October and Chapman is the Chapman of old - this team can go all the way this year even though this really isn't their year.

I'm pinning my hopes on the idea that they are rolling through the valleys right now and next month they start up the hill and hit their peak at just the right time. They have the talent - they just have to make the playoffs and stay healthy and get hot at the right time.

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