NFT: Game of Thrones S7 E5: Eastwatch - Gameday Thread

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In comment 13559913 UConn4523 said: Quote: In comment 13559888 ZGiants98 said: Quote: All you guys pining for central character deaths, I feel are going to be sadly disappointed this late in the game. It makes perfect sense early. Build emotion, the want for revenge, ect. but this late? I seriously doubt it. I agree only because the main material isn't written. I have no doubt GRRM will be killing off several central characters if he ever finishes. The show is a separate entity and I can see the fan favorites staying for a while longer but even then its still likely 1 or 2 will bite the dust. No one is safe in the GoT, we learned that very early on in the series. All the key points have been laid out. There are not going to be serious deviations. He might throw the book fans a bone and go in a little bit of a different direction in a few areas but Im guessing it's nothing major. Further, GRRM has said he has drawn from the Lord of the Rings many times and absolutely loved how it ended. I think we are going to see a sappy ending with the Starks coming out mostly on top (minus Arya). When I talk of central characters I am really talking about central protagonists. Of course Cersei, Littlefinger, and a bunch of huge characters are still going to die. I still feel Arya and Jaime are toast. Daenyrys, Jon Snow, Tyrian, and most of the characters we are rooting for will live IMO.

Everything you wrote put a tear in my eye except that one mention of ARYA dying. Why do you think that?

I think she is fueled by hate and revenge and its going to catch up with her in the end.

with all of these characters having died off already? Could Azor Ahai be the child of Dany and Jon?

Shit has gotten annoying. So many missed opportunities that would have been completely bad ass.

Jon meeting Dany for the first time.
Jon going north of the wall again.
Arya rolling back into Winterfell.

All of those scenes would have carried so much more weight with the wolves.

Arya can sword fight and has a list, omg she cray!... or Arya emerges from a pack of a dozen wolves outside the gates of Winterfell?

have chosen funding the dragons over the direwolves. But I agree, the direwolves are the more compelling creatures with more interesting storylines. Even in the books the direwolves are far more interesting, IMO.

In comment 13560874 UConn4523 said:

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have chosen funding the dragons over the direwolves. But I agree, the direwolves are the more compelling creatures with more interesting storylines. Even in the books the direwolves are far more interesting, IMO.

Makes Jon Snow even more unique, he has Stark blood and can relate with the wolves (don't remember if he ever warged or dreamed like the other Starks) and Targaryen so he relates to the dragons.

In comment 13560905 pjcas18 said:

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In comment 13560874 UConn4523 said: Quote: have chosen funding the dragons over the direwolves. But I agree, the direwolves are the more compelling creatures with more interesting storylines. Even in the books the direwolves are far more interesting, IMO. Makes Jon Snow even more unique, he has Stark blood and can relate with the wolves (don't remember if he ever warged or dreamed like the other Starks) and Targaryen so he relates to the dragons.

I seem to recall episodes in the book where Snow was seeing through Ghosts eyes on a hunt.

If the ending in the books (when ever they are released) turn out really different then what HBO will show in their season finale next year.....will it overall spoil the enjoyment of either the books or TV series?

They are different stories now. It's moot anyway, because:
1) Martin will probably never finish, so the last two books will basically be amateur fan-fiction by his European ghost writers; and
2) He agreed the ending with the showrunners. They are free to get there by a different path, but the destination is the same.

In comment 13561282 Big Blue Blogger said:

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They are different stories now. It's moot anyway, because: 1) Martin will probably never finish, so the last two books will basically be amateur fan-fiction by his European ghost writers; and 2) He agreed the ending with the showrunners. They are free to get there by a different path, but the destination is the same.

Geez, the second to last book has to be mostly done, no?

At any rate, I view the books as a different experience than the shows. There's a lot of detail to consume and I love it all. I guess it will diminish any of the big reveal major plot points, but those were diminished in reverse as I watched the show knowing about Ned, Joff and the Red Wedding as I went.

I enjoy the books a lot, completely different experience where you get the full impact of every character, large or small. The show does as good a job as you can possibly do for a story of the scale, but it will never be able to capture the world in enough detail.

If and when he finishes, I will buy and start reading day 1.

I watched episode 1 and said holy shit this is awesome, I need to read it first. I DVR'd all of season 1 and when I finished all the books, and to be honest people romanticize the books, but some of it was a slow painful read, then I went back and finished season 1.

So I don't think knowing the show plot will bother me at all.

In comment 13561316 pjcas18 said:

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I watched episode 1 and said holy shit this is awesome, I need to read it first. I DVR'd all of season 1 and when I finished all the books, and to be honest people romanticize the books, but some of it was a slow painful read, then I went back and finished season 1. So I don't think knowing the show plot will bother me at all.

I did something similar - alternated reading book 1, then watching season 1, book 2, season 2, through 3 seasons, which was fun and the stories still tracked reasonably closely. In a strange and pretty cool twist of fate, I read the Red Wedding chapter the weekend the episode aired live during that season, so when all my coworkers were going nuts talking about it, I knew what they were on about and could join in.

Books 4 and 5 really wandered and weren't nearly as compelling to read, especially following the brilliance of Storm of Swords. I slogged through those before turning to the show full time.

At this point, will of course continue reading if/when the book version ever continues, but don't really spend much time worrying about how the story will compare to the show anymore. Almost 2 separate sagas at this point

Major plot lines involving Rickon and the manderlys are gone. Lady Stoneheart is gone. I seem to recall Rob Starks wife is not dead either, and that she carries his son. If Winds is ever finished it will delve further from the plots of the TV show. One assumes it all ends up the same for the most part but I could also see GMMR leaving some hanging plot lines as a teaser for some future never to be written Winterfell Saga. The history of Westeros is fraught with conflict, one would think this latest round is just another chapter.

In comment 13561458 weeg in the bronx said:

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Major plot lines involving Rickon and the manderlys are gone. Lady Stoneheart is gone. I seem to recall Rob Starks wife is not dead either, and that she carries his son. If Winds is ever finished it will delve further from the plots of the TV show. One assumes it all ends up the same for the most part but I could also see GMMR leaving some hanging plot lines as a teaser for some future never to be written Winterfell Saga. The history of Westeros is fraught with conflict, one would think this latest round is just another chapter.

Jeyne Westerling aka mrs Robb Stark in the books is alive in the books, but not pregnant from what I remember.

Sam flat out says it had been years since he had seems Bran which actually happened in Season 3 in this past episode. People joke about teleporting but that pretty much confirms major time is passing and has been passing since the series began.

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they are simply making fun of how it's being portrayed when up until last season the pace wasn't accelerated too much.

To cast doubt about her sister Sansa. Even if she wasn't playing him in the last episode I highly doubt she's gonna let finger change her stance on Sansa. She knows Sansa is a little fucked up or needy or spoiled but I think she's gonna skull fuck finger sooner than later.

Where Arya is gonna get beat is when the chicken comes home to roost. She fucked over the faceless God or sect or whatever. That's gonna come back to her.

In comment 13561616 djm said:

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To cast doubt about her sister Sansa. Even if she wasn't playing him in the last episode I highly doubt she's gonna let finger change her stance on Sansa. She knows Sansa is a little fucked up or needy or spoiled but I think she's gonna skull fuck finger sooner than later. Where Arya is gonna get beat is when the chicken comes home to roost. She fucked over the faceless God or sect or whatever. That's gonna come back to her.

Did she? Wasn't the last thing he said to her "a girl is ready"?

HBO Spain played episode 6 instead of a replay of 5. So be careful what you read because there are many people who have seen it.

Unbelievable how many leaks wind up HBO's own fault for this show. You're going to have to avoid basically anything in regards to this show until Sunday now. There are already some mainstream sites talking about the episode with zero regard for spoilers.

It was leaked in HD and there are a fuckton of images, gifs, videos and shit all coming out. Spoilers are going to be really hard to dodge.

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Link - ( New Window )

is nothing spoilerish. It's a fan made trailer tht men of a certain age will appreciate.

In comment 13561852 Chris in Philly said:

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is nothing spoilerish. It's a fan made trailer tht men of a certain age will appreciate.

Chris, that was freakin AWESOME!!! LOL

In comment 13561861 NYG27 said:

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In comment 13561852 Chris in Philly said: Quote: is nothing spoilerish. It's a fan made trailer tht men of a certain age will appreciate. Chris, that was freakin AWESOME!!! LOL

I've watched it five times. They nailed it.

people who don't have HBO subscriptions get to watch it, and I have to wait until Sunday. I can't think of any good workaround off the top of my head but it still sucks.

That's what I did with the Episode 4 leaks. Didn't ruin any enjoyment for it whatsoever.

Holding off on this episode (I've read the episode summaries.) I just don't want to make the wait for the finale that much greater so I should be able to survive a couple more days.

I should just watch every episode leading up to current because I still get lost in the shuffle of names and places.

You can see the Ayra/Sansa rivalry early on.

I completely forgot that most of the first EP is devoted to the walkers.

In comment 13561875 Chris in Philly said:

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In comment 13561861 NYG27 said: Quote: In comment 13561852 Chris in Philly said: Quote: is nothing spoilerish. It's a fan made trailer tht men of a certain age will appreciate. Chris, that was freakin AWESOME!!! LOL I've watched it five times. They nailed it.

Brilliant. Just more evidence that the greatest decade in world history was in fact the 80s.

Wow.

The leaked Curb is fantastic too. Leon is back. Lol

In comment 13562084 Rflairr said:

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Wow. The leaked Curb is fantastic too. Leon is back. Lol

Saw it too. Absolutely Incredible! I'll leave it at that.

In comment 13561852 Chris in Philly said:

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is nothing spoilerish. It's a fan made trailer tht men of a certain age will appreciate.

That wins the internet for the day !!!!

but even those look insane. Can't wait for Sunday - it's hard to avoid the leaks so I have a pretty good idea of what's coming, but it should be an incredible hour.

In comment 13562135 bceagle05 said:

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but even those look insane. Can't wait for Sunday - it's hard to avoid the leaks so I have a pretty good idea of what's coming, but it should be an incredible hour.

Yikes

thankfully a dragon died too.

There's no chance a dragon comes back as dead right?

In comment 13566369 jgambrosio said:

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There's no chance a dragon comes back as dead right?

The spesrkilled the dragon. The Knight King brought him back to fly with the desd.

In comment 13566369 jgambrosio said:

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There's no chance a dragon comes back as dead right?

It's 100% coming back dead...

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especially after the leaks I was hoping for something crazy to happen

Just saw it. That's kind of dumb.

In comment 13566379 jgambrosio said:

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Just saw it. That's kind of dumb.

It had to happen. Having 3 dragons isn't balanced at all, both wars would be over in a day. They had to do it this way to make things interesting.

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who the three dragon riders are now? Unless Bran rides or wargs into the dead one.

And the show is beating us over the head with the notion of Jon and Dany having a child. There have been a few references recently to Dany not being able to have one, and now Jorah tells Jon that Longclaw will serve him "and his children" well. Remember what the witch told Dany: "Only death can pay for the life." I wonder if the dead dragon means she'll get pregnant.

getting killed by the dead? They made it seem like it was a few randoms that may have been with Jon's group but here were never any other men walking with them, yet they appeared in the middle of the battles.

In comment 13566397 UConn4523 said:

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getting killed by the dead? They made it seem like it was a few randoms that may have been with Jon's group but here were never any other men walking with them, yet they appeared in the middle of the battles.

When they were walking in the beginning of the episode there was 2-3 guys lagging behind. Im assuming it was a couple randoms that joined up

I kept trying to figure out who got killed by the bear and where he came from