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NFT: Game of Thrones S7 E5: Eastwatch - Gameday Thread

Big Blue Blogger : 8/13/2017 8:15 pm
Danaerys gives the remnants of Jaime's army an offer they can't refuse. How do they react, and what's her next move? Do the Dothraki head for King's Landing, or is it time to regroup? What's eating Varys and Tyrion - misgivings about the use of dragonfire, or the real existential threat approaching the Wall? Did Jaime sink or swim? And why is Cersei so confident?

The episode title suggests a pivot to the North. Should be fun.
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Cool  
PatersonPlank : 8/13/2017 9:26 pm : link
So cool. I'm definitely on Team Dragon
Jaime and Bronn escaped huh  
UConn4523 : 8/13/2017 10:02 pm : link
riiiiiight...
Episode was solid  
bceagle05 : 8/13/2017 10:06 pm : link
but that preview for next week...holy shit.
Jaime and Bronn swam a looong way in all that armor.  
PhiPsi125 : 8/13/2017 10:07 pm : link
Weird how they were able to safely swim away from that close to the battle, lol.
I love how they quickly  
pjcas18 : 8/13/2017 10:10 pm : link
mentioned the annulment and secret marriage and glanced right over it.

I can't say for sure obviously but I doubt the book is that matter-of-fact about it.
RE: Jaime and Bronn swam a looong way in all that armor.  
UConn4523 : 8/13/2017 10:11 pm : link
In comment 13559201 PhiPsi125 said:
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Weird how they were able to safely swim away from that close to the battle, lol.


I watched with 5 others tonight and as soon as I saw them swim to shore I said "fuck this shit". Pretty much ruined the next 59 minutes for me. Next weeks episode can't come soon enough, they took an insane amount of short cuts this episode.
Tormund:  
bceagle05 : 8/13/2017 10:11 pm : link
"Is that the one with the dragons or the one that fucks her brother?
I thought it started out great and then tailed off  
PatersonPlank : 8/13/2017 10:15 pm : link
The North thread just doesn't keep me interested.
They are struggling with pacing  
Ben in Tampa : 8/13/2017 10:39 pm : link
There is both too much content and not enough, if that makes sense.
Did anyone catch  
WillVAB : 8/13/2017 10:44 pm : link
What was on the scroll Arya found in Littlefinger's room?
First weak episode of this season IMO  
ZGiants98 : 8/13/2017 10:47 pm : link
From what BBS mentioned in last weeks thread the river should have been moving and pushing them back towards Kings Landing but that was a bit of a stretch. Either way, it was more of a catch-up episode after all the action last week.

I really don't like the strategy to try to align with Cersei all of the sudden. That seems ridiculous in light of everything that's been happening.

Highlights were..

The Tarly's getting exterminated.
Littlefinger out scheming Arya to potentially turn her against Sansa.
The return of Gendry
The fuck off band of merry men marching to take on the walkers in the north. lol

RE: Did anyone catch  
ZGiants98 : 8/13/2017 10:48 pm : link
In comment 13559247 WillVAB said:
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What was on the scroll Arya found in Littlefinger's room?


Whatever it is it's likely not important and manufactured by Littlefinger. Its a trap.
RE: I love how they quickly  
ZGiants98 : 8/13/2017 10:50 pm : link
In comment 13559206 pjcas18 said:
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mentioned the annulment and secret marriage and glanced right over it.

I can't say for sure obviously but I doubt the book is that matter-of-fact about it.


That was crazy. I was like.. Is Sam going to connect that somehow? And nope... It was more of something for the audience and if you weren't paying close attention you might have missed it.
LOVED the reference to  
ZGiants98 : 8/13/2017 10:51 pm : link
Gendry still rowing! That was pure fan service. LOL.
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KWhite2250 : 8/13/2017 10:51 pm : link
In comment 13559254 ZGiants98 said:
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What was on the scroll Arya found in Littlefinger's room?



Whatever it is it's likely not important and manufactured by Littlefinger. Its a trap.


Its the letter Joffrey made Sansa write to Robb after Ned was killed
The current would have carried Jaime and Bronn toward King's Landing.  
Big Blue Blogger : 8/13/2017 10:51 pm : link
Not that far, obviously. It would have made more sense if Jaime had surfaced without some armor. I guess the bottom line is that they got away. No point quibbling about details. We're discussing a show where the main threats are dragons, ice men and an army of the dead. Disbelief is pretty well suspended by now.
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jestersdead : 8/13/2017 10:52 pm : link
In comment 13559254 ZGiants98 said:
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What was on the scroll Arya found in Littlefinger's room?



Whatever it is it's likely not important and manufactured by Littlefinger. Its a trap.


it was the letter they had Sansa write to Rob after Ned was killed. A nice trap by Littlefinger to start a family problem. Hopefully John was smart enough to send a raven to Winterfell that he was going to the wall
RE: Did anyone catch  
MetsAreBack : 8/13/2017 10:53 pm : link
In comment 13559247 WillVAB said:
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What was on the scroll Arya found in Littlefinger's room?


The note cersei forced Sansa to write home back in season 2 when she was prisoner.

I agree -- the whole Sansa arya and littlefinger storyline is way too rushed and isn't working as a result. They needed 30 episodes to do this right not 14.

I do hope Dany ends up with Jorah not jon. I know incest happens in this world but it's still creepy
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ZGiants98 : 8/13/2017 10:53 pm : link
In comment 13559262 KWhite2250 said:
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What was on the scroll Arya found in Littlefinger's room?



Whatever it is it's likely not important and manufactured by Littlefinger. Its a trap.



Its the letter Joffrey made Sansa write to Robb after Ned was killed


Ah I missed that part. Thanks. Knew it was a trap either way.
RE: RE: Jaime and Bronn swam a looong way in all that armor.  
halfback20 : 8/13/2017 10:58 pm : link
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Weird how they were able to safely swim away from that close to the battle, lol.



I watched with 5 others tonight and as soon as I saw them swim to shore I said "fuck this shit". Pretty much ruined the next 59 minutes for me. Next weeks episode can't come soon enough, they took an insane amount of short cuts this episode.


Ruined the rest of the episode? Thats dumb.
RE: The current would have carried Jaime and Bronn toward King's Landing.  
UConn4523 : 8/13/2017 10:58 pm : link
In comment 13559263 Big Blue Blogger said:
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Not that far, obviously. It would have made more sense if Jaime had surfaced without some armor. I guess the bottom line is that they got away. No point quibbling about details. We're discussing a show where the main threats are dragons, ice men and an army of the dead. Disbelief is pretty well suspended by now.


The subject matter it irrelevant. Them surviving like that is laughable. Just bad writing plain and simple.

Favorite part of this episode was Davos haggling with the guards. He's an awesome character.
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UConn4523 : 8/13/2017 11:02 pm : link
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Weird how they were able to safely swim away from that close to the battle, lol.



I watched with 5 others tonight and as soon as I saw them swim to shore I said "fuck this shit". Pretty much ruined the next 59 minutes for me. Next weeks episode can't come soon enough, they took an insane amount of short cuts this episode.



Ruined the rest of the episode? Thats dumb.


Whats dumb was that sloppy writing job. I was being somewhat facetious but that was laugh out loud bad.
Pjcas18: Gilly's mention of the annulment was a nice touch.  
Big Blue Blogger : 8/13/2017 11:05 pm : link
Sam has no reason to recognize the significance of Rhaegar's remarriage, and he doesn't. (Dramatic irony, right?)

There's still the question of whether Bran knows, since he seems to have access to everything. Anyway, this is one reveal that doesn't have to come through Bran.
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halfback20 : 8/13/2017 11:05 pm : link
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Weird how they were able to safely swim away from that close to the battle, lol.



I watched with 5 others tonight and as soon as I saw them swim to shore I said "fuck this shit". Pretty much ruined the next 59 minutes for me. Next weeks episode can't come soon enough, they took an insane amount of short cuts this episode.



Ruined the rest of the episode? Thats dumb.



Whats dumb was that sloppy writing job. I was being somewhat facetious but that was laugh out loud bad.


Big deal. It happened. Move past it. The show has some flaws...but that was a small thing thats easy to ignore.

I guess I'm used to watching the walking dead and seeing so much dumb shit, that a show like this is hard to complain about.
Haha  
UConn4523 : 8/13/2017 11:07 pm : link
it doesn't effect my life, I've "moved past it". But I'm still within my right to be disappointed with how that plot was slapped together. Just because you didn't mind doesn't mean I have to agree. I'm not telling you my POV is the only one, you are free to think what you want.
Really hope Littlefingers plan  
UConn4523 : 8/13/2017 11:10 pm : link
works. Everything falling in place for the Starks can't continue forever. There's going to be a bump in the road and I hope it's due to him.
I hated how the episode opened.  
Mr. Bungle : 8/13/2017 11:11 pm : link
Jamie and Bronn surviving with nothing more than being short of breath was really cheap. Conventional action-movie-like storytelling -- far beneath Game of Thrones.

But I enjoyed most of the rest of the episode.

It sucks that everything is rushed now, but they put themselves in that place. Dany literally said "I have fewer enemies today than I did yesterday." So they're traveling to different parts of Westeros in modern-day airline schedules.

I thought Ser Davos said, "Fermented crap." Haha.

Tormund asking if Jon brought "the big woman" cracked me up.

Sam's storyline continues to bore me. But I enjoyed watching his prick dad get chatted.

Dany wants to bang Jon so badly.

I really like Arya, but her criticism of Sansa seemed a bit strong. Sansa listened...and defended Jon. Arya wants everyone beheaded?

And Cersei and Jamie are expecting! Congratulations!
The letter that Arya discovered read  
eclipz928 : 8/13/2017 11:13 pm : link
"Robb, I write to you with a heavy heart. Our good king Robert is dead, killed from wounds he took in a boar hunt. Father has been charged with treason. He conspired with Robert’s brothers against my beloved Joffrey and tried to steal his throne. The Lannisters are treating me very well and provide me with every comfort. I beg you: come to King’s Landing, swear fealty to King Joffrey and prevent any strife between the great houses of Lannister and Stark."
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halfback20 : 8/13/2017 11:14 pm : link
In comment 13559305 UConn4523 said:
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it doesn't effect my life, I've "moved past it". But I'm still within my right to be disappointed with how that plot was slapped together. Just because you didn't mind doesn't mean I have to agree. I'm not telling you my POV is the only one, you are free to think what you want.


I know i am. And I'm just expressing my opinion.
RE: Really hope Littlefingers plan  
Mr. Bungle : 8/13/2017 11:15 pm : link
In comment 13559316 UConn4523 said:
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works. Everything falling in place for the Starks can't continue forever. There's going to be a bump in the road and I hope it's due to him.

You haven't seen any bumps in the road for the Stark family?
Sansa wrote the letter in season 1  
eclipz928 : 8/13/2017 11:17 pm : link
After Cersei coerced her to do it to stave off Robb Stark from retaliating against them.

Earlier this season Littlefinger was informed that the Maester of Winterfell kept record of all scrolls that came in. He knew of this one's existence because he was in the room when Sandals wrote it.
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halfback20 : 8/13/2017 11:17 pm : link
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works. Everything falling in place for the Starks can't continue forever. There's going to be a bump in the road and I hope it's due to him.


You haven't seen any bumps in the road for the Stark family?


Lol
Im pretty sure I read that  
ZGiants98 : 8/13/2017 11:18 pm : link
Dany and Jon have banged many times off the set. Probably adds an interesting dynamic. lol.
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UConn4523 : 8/13/2017 11:20 pm : link
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works. Everything falling in place for the Starks can't continue forever. There's going to be a bump in the road and I hope it's due to him.


You haven't seen any bumps in the road for the Stark family?


Since the reunion at Winterfell? No. Things have been falling in place nicely for them since Sansa and Jon reunited, I can't see that continuing for much longer.
Having Arya find that letter plays right into  
eclipz928 : 8/13/2017 11:21 pm : link
his hands, because it validates Arya's suspicions of Sansa "always wanting nice things". Arya will look at the letter as Sansa being willing to sell out her own father to stay queen to Joffrey (she won't know that she was coerced) . Littlefinger will benefit from the sister's divide.
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UConn4523 : 8/13/2017 11:22 pm : link
In comment 13559327 halfback20 said:
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works. Everything falling in place for the Starks can't continue forever. There's going to be a bump in the road and I hope it's due to him.


You haven't seen any bumps in the road for the Stark family?



Lol


Yes, I clearly meant nothing bad has ever happened to the Stark family..
I love how neither Bran nor Arya, during their "reunions,"  
Mr. Bungle : 8/13/2017 11:24 pm : link
asked about Rickon.

Fuck that straight-running brat.
I love how neither Bran nor Arya, during their "reunions,"  
Mr. Bungle : 8/13/2017 11:24 pm : link
asked about Rickon.

Fuck that straight-running brat.
RE: Im pretty sure I read that  
MetsAreBack : 8/13/2017 11:25 pm : link
In comment 13559328 ZGiants98 said:
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Dany and Jon have banged many times off the set. Probably adds an interesting dynamic. lol.



No Jon is dating or maybe engaged to the wildling from a few seasons back. 'You know nothing jon snow'

Based on today's episode it seems dany and Jorah may end up together. At least I hope so - poor guys been in the friend zone for 7 years now
I think the part that is most asinine  
widmerseyebrow : 8/13/2017 11:25 pm : link
Is the new plot by the good guys to "convince Cercei" to promise not to attack when they go fight the dead men. Live specimen or no these characters must not have been paying attention to 6.5 seasons of Cercei's brutality.

The writers are doing everything they can to avoid it, but you just know this ends with Dany wiping out the red keep with her dragons, and this will all be for naught. Just feels even more forced after last weeks episode.
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ZGiants98 : 8/13/2017 11:25 pm : link
In comment 13559335 Mr. Bungle said:
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asked about Rickon.

Fuck that straight-running brat.


I mean.. I think its assumed they are conversing outside of the only few minute clips we have with them.
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ZGiants98 : 8/13/2017 11:27 pm : link
In comment 13559339 MetsAreBack said:
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Dany and Jon have banged many times off the set. Probably adds an interesting dynamic. lol.




No Jon is dating or maybe engaged to the wildling from a few seasons back. 'You know nothing jon snow'

Based on today's episode it seems dany and Jorah may end up together. At least I hope so - poor guys been in the friend zone for 7 years now


Yeah I know but I thought I read for a minute in between he was dating her also. I tend to believe if there is smoke there is a fire with that sort of thing.

RE: I love how neither Bran nor Arya, during their  
widmerseyebrow : 8/13/2017 11:27 pm : link
In comment 13559338 Mr. Bungle said:
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asked about Rickon.

Fuck that straight-running brat.


Hahaha amazing. Didn't even get "and Rickon?" followed by sad silence.
Yeah the Cersei "armistice" is ridiculous.  
bceagle05 : 8/13/2017 11:29 pm : link
And the fact that Tyrion suggested it is even more ridiculous. He's been a brutal advisor thus far.
Thanks guys  
WillVAB : 8/13/2017 11:30 pm : link
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RE: I think the part that is most asinine  
ZGiants98 : 8/13/2017 11:31 pm : link
In comment 13559342 widmerseyebrow said:
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Is the new plot by the good guys to "convince Cercei" to promise not to attack when they go fight the dead men. Live specimen or no these characters must not have been paying attention to 6.5 seasons of Cercei's brutality.

The writers are doing everything they can to avoid it, but you just know this ends with Dany wiping out the red keep with her dragons, and this will all be for naught. Just feels even more forced after last weeks episode.


Yeah screw how Jaime came up out of the river. Literally has nothing to do with the story. This on the other hand is pretty bad IMO. I want somebody to explain this to me in a rational way because Im just not getting it. The only thing I can think of is that Tyrion is placing all of his faith in Jaime but why would Daenyrys follow that?
Cersei knowing Tyrion was in kings landing  
MetsAreBack : 8/13/2017 11:32 pm : link
Lends support that Varys or someone in Danys inner circle is spying for her

Basically they are all going to fight the dead ... win ... and then cersei is going to ambush them after (weaker and tired) with the golden company. At which point hopefully Jaime kills her.
They didn't have a choice  
eclipz928 : 8/13/2017 11:34 pm : link
Can't fight Cercei and wightwalkers at the same time. Reasonable calculation that Jamie could convince Cersei to at least press pause on the war after it became apparent that they can't win.
Consider the source  
ZGiants98 : 8/13/2017 11:35 pm : link
But there are a number of articles like this claiming Emilia Clarke and Kit Harrington dated a couple years back.
Link - ( New Window )
RE: They didn't have a choice  
ZGiants98 : 8/13/2017 11:36 pm : link
In comment 13559364 eclipz928 said:
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Can't fight Cercei and wightwalkers at the same time. Reasonable calculation that Jamie could convince Cersei to at least press pause on the war after it became apparent that they can't win.


And fight them together side by side? Sorry. Im just not buying it. Daenyrys would sooner just fly a dragon over Kings Landing and burn Cersei to a crisp before she would do something so stupid.
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