Danaerys gives the remnants of Jaime's army an offer they can't refuse. How do they react, and what's her next move? Do the Dothraki head for King's Landing, or is it time to regroup? What's eating Varys and Tyrion - misgivings about the use of dragonfire, or the real existential threat approaching the Wall? Did Jaime sink or swim? And why is Cersei so confident?
The episode title suggests a pivot to the North. Should be fun.
Yes. That was badass.
You don't do all that training and get suckered in that easy
Varys: This is a sealed scroll for the King of the North!
Tyrion: (pause) What does it say?
Varys: Nothing good...
You don't do all that training and get suckered in that easy
I think 100%. I would be truly disappointed if Arya is fooled by Littlefonger.
How did Jorah get onto the island?
Why Dany barely blinked when her dragon pretty much kissed Jon?
I guess the scrollls pretty much cement Jon as legit heir to the iron throne. Danny stakes her entire claim on the inheritance; consistency says she relinquishes it without question.
I liked that sequence up until Drogon flew away and Dany and Jon were just like, "Cool animals, huh?"
You don't do all that training and get suckered in that easy
That SHOULD be right. But I'm not sure it will be.
But I don't understand why Davos would feel the need to look him up in KL and also take him with him to Dragonstone.
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and not the other way?
You don't do all that training and get suckered in that easy
I think 100%. I would be truly disappointed if Arya is fooled by Littlefonger.
Littlefinger is the biggest schemer in the entire show and has been doing it for decades. Yeah, Arya is a badass fighter now but I doubt she would be able to out maneuver Littlefinger that easily. I look at it the complete opposite.
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and not the other way?
You don't do all that training and get suckered in that easy
I think 100%. I would be truly disappointed if Arya is fooled by Littlefonger.
Littlefinger is the biggest schemer in the entire show and has been doing it for decades. Yeah, Arya is a badass fighter now but I doubt she would be able to out maneuver Littlefinger that easily. I look at it the complete opposite.
He also views her as a child with sword skills. he has no idea she was trained by the Faceless Men
But I don't understand why Davos would feel the need to look him up in KL and also take him with him to Dragonstone.
He was essentially just "hiding out in plain site" doing what he was doing before. It was still dangerous for him to be there. Seemed to me Davos was just walking the streets, not necessarily looking for him. He even referenced that he could because it had been so long and none of the guards would recognize him. Don't think there was any motive until after they met again,
Unless I'm misremembering, there was no sex between Jaime and Cercei in the books, especially this late into things. By this point, he had moved on in his life; in general, he's not so much Cercei's tool as he is in the show. So, to me, it's unlikely that the pregnancy occurs in the books and it's an interesting (maybe) divergence. Yes?
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and not the other way?
You don't do all that training and get suckered in that easy
I think 100%. I would be truly disappointed if Arya is fooled by Littlefonger.
Littlefinger is the biggest schemer in the entire show and has been doing it for decades. Yeah, Arya is a badass fighter now but I doubt she would be able to out maneuver Littlefinger that easily. I look at it the complete opposite.
He also views her as a child with sword skills. he has no idea she was trained by the Faceless Men
True. I still think as far as a grand schemer though, Littlefinger wears the crown. She literally deceives but he does it behind the scene. Guess we'll see but I think Littlefinger has her on this one.
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But I don't understand why Davos would feel the need to look him up in KL and also take him with him to Dragonstone.
He was essentially just "hiding out in plain site" doing what he was doing before. It was still dangerous for him to be there. Seemed to me Davos was just walking the streets, not necessarily looking for him. He even referenced that he could because it had been so long and none of the guards would recognize him. Don't think there was any motive until after they met again,
Cersei is still the biggest POS on the show with zero concern beyond her own wants and desire. I totally think she lied about the pregnancy to get Jaime back in the fold.
The Arya/Littlefinger/Sansa storyline is really intriguing. The Starks' life experiences has hurt their closeness and LF is trying to take advantage. But how does this get solved for him? He can't honestly expect to have Arya get killed or Sansa to approve that.
Gendry!!! I loved the gathering at the end and all of the reasons they have to care about and hate each other.
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Beric later on.
But I don't understand why Davos would feel the need to look him up in KL and also take him with him to Dragonstone.
He was essentially just "hiding out in plain site" doing what he was doing before. It was still dangerous for him to be there. Seemed to me Davos was just walking the streets, not necessarily looking for him. He even referenced that he could because it had been so long and none of the guards would recognize him. Don't think there was any motive until after they met again,
im not sure about that. When he left Tyrion, he said he had his own mission in KL. Then when he met Gendry he said he checked brothels and something else but should have k own to check the armorers.
I'll have to rewatch it. You could be right. Let's suppose your right and he has been looking for him. What significance do you think that makes? Gendry has no family... He's the last Baratheon we know of. He saved his life. Maybe he feels he needed to find him to look after him?
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and not the other way?
You don't do all that training and get suckered in that easy
I think 100%. I would be truly disappointed if Arya is fooled by Littlefonger.
Littlefinger is the biggest schemer in the entire show and has been doing it for decades. Yeah, Arya is a badass fighter now but I doubt she would be able to out maneuver Littlefinger that easily. I look at it the complete opposite.
He also views her as a child with sword skills. he has no idea she was trained by the Faceless Men
Right. And also it is written and directed as littlefinger playing the con, as usual, but at this late stage I feel like that is the set up for his undoing.
I agree with the general sentiment...some good tidbits in an otherwise weaker, but expected filler episode to set up a strong finish
Bronn and Jamie swimming to safety? Meh, but not unexpected
I'm surprised drogon and Jon bonding didn't trigger more questions from Daenerys
As others posted, characters like Davos, Bronn, and Tormund continue to deliver great dialogue and acting to rescue some otherwise weak scenes.
But I'm kind of disappointed at what Tyrions character has been turned into. He's essentially been a babbling fool most of this season. Hoping for a strong finish for him
Some may disagree, but I loved the new northern posse coming together at the end. Think about where all those characters started out...Jon, Tormund, Jorah, Beric, Thoros, Gendry and the Hound
This article doesn't claimthey dated. The article states' "it's been rumored but never substantiated."
That's a far cry, from what you want us to believe the article to justify.
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This article doesn't claimthey dated. The article states' "it's been rumored but never substantiated."
That's a far cry, from what you want us to believe the article to justify.
I'm not saying it proves anything, I'm saying there have been rumors. You want go down a long road of Hollywood gossip, be my guest. I know I started it, but I'll gladly bow out now.
The look Jamie had when Cersei told him not to betray her again.
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But I don't understand why Davos would feel the need to look him up in KL and also take him with him to Dragonstone.
He was essentially just "hiding out in plain site" doing what he was doing before. It was still dangerous for him to be there. Seemed to me Davos was just walking the streets, not necessarily looking for him. He even referenced that he could because it had been so long and none of the guards would recognize him. Don't think there was any motive until after they met again,
Gendry can forge the dragonglass into weapons better than anyone. Thats why Davos most likely was searching for Gendry
Anyway, for a guy who has never seen combat or formal training, Gendry is pretty handy with a war hammer. Is that an inherited skill? And since we're nitpicking, did anyone else want Davos to reclaim his gold before boarding the boat?
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Beric later on.
But I don't understand why Davos would feel the need to look him up in KL and also take him with him to Dragonstone.
He was essentially just "hiding out in plain site" doing what he was doing before. It was still dangerous for him to be there. Seemed to me Davos was just walking the streets, not necessarily looking for him. He even referenced that he could because it had been so long and none of the guards would recognize him. Don't think there was any motive until after they met again,
Gendry can forge the dragonglass into weapons better than anyone. Thats why Davos most likely was searching for Gendry
Was going to say the same. Gendry is known for being one of the best blacksmiths in Westeros. Davos wanted to find him for that reason.
I hope Cersei isn't pregnant and is using it to manipulate Jaime. Another baby at this point in the game would be out of place. I can just picture Cersei not looking pregnant despite the sped up pace.
Sansa may be feeling weird/conflicted, but she's not going to cross her family for Littlefinger.
Yup, this.
This isn't a new theory either.
Arya is in danger, but I doubt Martin would approve killing her before her list is complete. Brienne could die fulfilling her vow to protect the "girls". Beric might die again. No biggie there. Thoros's time seems near too. Will the team need his resurrection skills? Melisandre is better at it anyway. He does provide some laughs, though.
Anyway, for a guy who has never seen combat or formal training, Gendry is pretty handy with a war hammer. Is that an inherited skill? And since we're nitpicking, did anyone else want Davos to reclaim his gold before boarding the boat?
No spoilers from me. I barely respond on these threads and I find no pleasure in spoiling things for others. I just thought it was very obvious
In addition to the personal aspects of that, it would mean the end of the Baratheon line, and he's still loyal to the memory of Stsnnis, so he'd want to guard against that.
Finally, for the show, the thought of Robert's soon repeating Dad's prowess with a war hammer along side Ned's "son" is just too much fun.
Littlefinger isn't as smart as he thinks he is, either. Many characters are well aware of his schemes and plots by this point. Matter of fact, there's a character in Winterfell who would be likely to know everything he's up to.
What was the point of the Maesters of the Citadel not telling Samwell about his father and brother. I don't think it would have motivated him to do anything, I know he hated his father (or at least had no love for him not sure about Dickon) but I think them adding that line to the show might have had a purpose.
He wants the throne. Sansa and Arya together puts him on the outside looking in. If Arya hates Sansa and it erupts, Sansa will send her away or worse. He wants to marry Sansa and rule. I think he's been pretty clear about it.
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im not following that... a divide between the sisters but then what?
He wants the throne. Sansa and Arya together puts him on the outside looking in. If Arya hates Sansa and it erupts, Sansa will send her away or worse. He wants to marry Sansa and rule. I think he's been pretty clear about it.
gotcha... fucking guy looks like an SVU case waiting to happen
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Combined with Tyrion taking about how Tywin wanted him dead, are further hints that Tyrion is a Targareyen.
Yup, this.
This isn't a new theory either.
I was getting some push back on it last week on the thread.
Yup good point, they quickly glossed over that. I'd find it hard to believe Qyburn hadn't dipped every scorpion arrow in some kind of poison
In addition to the personal aspects of that, it would mean the end of the Baratheon line, and he's still loyal to the memory of Stsnnis, so he'd want to guard against that.
Finally, for the show, the thought of Robert's soon repeating Dad's prowess with a war hammer along side Ned's "son" is just too much fun.
Not to be a book spoiler - given how far from the books we are at this point i figure it's safe, but my apologies in advance to anyone offended, but gendry is really a merging of two Baratheon bastards, gendry and edric storm.
Davos was close to Edric. And Melisandre in the books was actually urging Stannis to burn Edric as a sacrifice since although he was a bastard he was noble born with Robert the father and I forget the mother - but he was an acknowledged bastard not one to a whore from fleabottom like Gendry.
It was edrics blood (from leeching) that was used in the ritual by melisandre to curse Joffrey and Robb Stark (both died shortly after - their deaths though were completely unrelated unless you believe in the lord of the light).
it was Davos who saved Edric from Melisandre and Stannis and stashed him, so this plot in the show is sort of the refuge of the merging of Edric and Gendry IMO, because Davos had no connection to Gendry in the books that I recall or that I recall from the show, did he?