Danaerys gives the remnants of Jaime's army an offer they can't refuse. How do they react, and what's her next move? Do the Dothraki head for King's Landing, or is it time to regroup? What's eating Varys and Tyrion - misgivings about the use of dragonfire, or the real existential threat approaching the Wall? Did Jaime sink or swim? And why is Cersei so confident?
The episode title suggests a pivot to the North. Should be fun.
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of the time. no wound treatment etc. I thought that dragon was going to die
Yup good point, they quickly glossed over that. I'd find it hard to believe Qyburn hadn't dipped every scorpion arrow in some kind of poison
Dragon-killing poison? That hasn't ever been established as a thing.
What was the deal with Qyburn in Cersei's chambers? Did he impregnate her? Maybe with some kind of reanimated joffrey or something or some targaeyen blood so she could "birth" dragons?
normally I wouldn't have paid attention to a throw away line, but didn't seem like throw-away the way Jamie asked it. like he was surprised Qyburn would be there.
What was the deal with Qyburn in Cersei's chambers? Did he impregnate her? Maybe with some kind of reanimated joffrey or something or some targaeyen blood so she could "birth" dragons?
normally I wouldn't have paid attention to a throw away line, but didn't seem like throw-away the way Jamie asked it. like he was surprised Qyburn would be there.
I don't think there are throwaway lines in this show.
You know some shit is going to go down with Qyburn and the pregnancy.
I think the baby isn't Jamies, which is why he ultimately kills her.
What was the point of the Maesters of the Citadel not telling Samwell about his father and brother. I don't think it would have motivated him to do anything, I know he hated his father (or at least had no love for him not sure about Dickon) but I think them adding that line to the show might have had a purpose.
Either it's important that he's the senior surviving Tarley male, or this just wraps up to loose end of Sam stealing the sword (because no one is left to care). Also sets up the drama of him finding out. GOT LOVES this kind of reveal.
In addition to the personal aspects of that, it would mean the end of the Baratheon line, and he's still loyal to the memory of Stsnnis, so he'd want to guard against that.
Finally, for the show, the thought of Robert's soon repeating Dad's prowess with a war hammer along side Ned's "son" is just too much fun.
I think I agree with this take. If he were really brought over only for his mining and weapon building skills, why take him north for the expedition within 24 hours of arriving at dragonstone?
We're going to lose a number of that expedition next week which is too bad because all those characters bring something to the table in their unique ways.
Spies or no spies the only people who knew about that were Davos, Tyrian and Bronn. It's far more likely Dany has a leak in her cabinet. Certainly possible Varys was sent there to monitor way back given the emerging threat.
It's been bugging me for a while about Dickon because he seemed so familiar. Finally remembered that he was Billy on Black Sails.
If there is a pause in the battle between Cersei and Dany, that would work better for the story. They can wrap up the battle with the Night King in the next 5 episodes or so. Then the final 3 would be all about who will be sitting on the Iron Throne at the end.
Plus I know next season will only be 6 episodes but I'm really wishing for a 2 hour finale to wrap up all the storylines!
We know Cersei and Jaime did the nasty at least once before he marched off to Highgarden. Did she conceive, or did she just seduce him to set up the pregnancy story? Could go either way on that one.
He sounds genuine in his remorse for being a party to Aerys atrocities and sitting by and simply watching.
He's always proclaimed to want peace and what's best for "the realm" no idea how anyone can rationalize a Cersei-led Westeros is the best thing for the realm.
Cersei is at least as ruthless as Aerys.
though who really knows Varys true intentions, he's slippery like Littlefinger.
I suppose they are planning spin-offs (or prequels, not exactly sure of the plan)
Damn shame we're likely about to lose a few next week but it should be thrilling. Figure Jon and the Hound are safe (though you never know), everybody else is fair game
Damn shame we're likely about to lose a few next week but it should be thrilling. Figure Jon and the Hound are safe (though you never know), everybody else is fair game
Yeah. 2-3 seasons ago you'd have had that group stretched over half a season, delivering pure TV joy. Now it will resolve itself in 1-2 episode.
I find this season's staggering pace off putting. The "15 episode left" excuse doesnt make sense. This isnt 4am in college with a paper due at 11. They should have paced it better.
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The threat of the white walkers was the very first scene of the very first episode. If and when a battle finally comes between the living and the dead, it really can't be something handled in one or two episodes, can it? But there are only 8 episodes left, and so many Westeros storylines are still wide open.
Given how rushed everything has felt over the last 15 or so episodes, I guess we should expect the show to take even greater liberties regarding travel time, circulation of news and information around Westeros, cutting character corners, etc.
It would be a shame if an all-time great series like this one ends on a "What the fuck was that?!" kind of note. But doubt is beginning to creep in for me that they'll end this series with a fantastic finish.
Damn shame we're likely about to lose a few next week but it should be thrilling. Figure Jon and the Hound are safe (though you never know), everybody else is fair game
Agree, and it's an odd collection, and the reason they're going is bizarre and completely unpredictable IMO, I mentioned as much earlier (am I missing anyone?):
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I did but if someone told you several seasons ago (all the way back to the the earliest point say that you have met all these characters) that one day Jon Snow, the Brotherhood without Banners (including the Hound), Jorah Mormont, Davos Seaworth, Gendry, and Tormund Giantsbane (am I missing anyone?) would together venture to the other side of the wall in hopes of catching a live wight to bring to cersei lannister and prove their existence that's some pretty wild plot changes.
+1, that interaction between them all was fantastic.
The threat of the white walkers was the very first scene of the very first episode. If and when a battle finally comes between the living and the dead, it really can't be something handled in one or two episodes, can it? But there are only 8 episodes left, and so many Westeros storylines are still wide open.
Given how rushed everything has felt over the last 15 or so episodes, I guess we should expect the show to take even greater liberties regarding travel time, circulation of news and information around Westeros, cutting character corners, etc.
It would be a shame if an all-time great series like this one ends on a "What the fuck was that?!" kind of note. But doubt is beginning to creep in for me that they'll end this series with a fantastic finish.
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Not really, Rhaegar was killed before Aerys so I'm not sure how throne succession works, but since Rhaegar was never king, I'd imagine Aery's children (Danaerys is the lone survivor) all have stronger claims than Rhaegar's children.
but if not then I think in the books I think it would be Aegon (young griff) before Jon Snow just at this point I doubt they introduce young griff to the show.
I'm not saying I think she has become the smartest person in the room. Only that Littlefinger playing her is too obvious for me. The machinations he has put in place have to come back to bite him at some point...
Also, my strong suspicion is that Gendry was brought back to re-discover the secret of Valyrian steel and make a bunch of it for the war against the dead.
That scene was about her pregnancy. He even asked her if he wanted her to give him some medicine for her presumed morning sickness. It was awkward because Jaime is the father.
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Figure Jon and the Hound are safe (though you never know), everybody else is fair game.
Gendry is probably safe too. I don't think the showrunners brought him back just to feed him to the wights. As others have said, his smithing skills are too useful. Besides, Joe Dempsie and Carice van Houten have some hot chemistry and a score to settle. The show needs to get those two back together.
Yeah he's probably safe. Someone has to continue the Baratheon line as well.
We haven't had a significant character death yet this season (no, Dickon doesn't count. Just kneel you moron!) I think Tormund and Jorah are in trouble.
I think the Frey's in episode 1 was a "no fucking way" moment, no?
but I think there are more coming.
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Figure Jon and the Hound are safe (though you never know), everybody else is fair game.
Gendry is probably safe too. I don't think the showrunners brought him back just to feed him to the wights. As others have said, his smithing skills are too useful. Besides, Joe Dempsie and Carice van Houten have some hot chemistry and a score to settle. The show needs to get those two back together.
Yeah he's probably safe. Someone has to continue the Baratheon line as well.
We haven't had a significant character death yet this season (no, Dickon doesn't count. Just kneel you moron!) I think Tormund and Jorah are in trouble.
Well the Sand Snakes and the Queen of Thorns are more significant than Dicky. But yeah, no core characters. I could pick out 20 more meaningful deaths (3 Baratheon brothers, 3 Starks, 3 Lanisters, 2 Boltons, Drogo, Viserys, Margery, the High Sparrow, Oberyn, Mance is almost 20)
They can't all live. If I had to pick one, I suspect Dany will die...
But if they want to go there, they could certainly pull off a real shocker
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Everyone hates the Freys. Awesome scene, but I mean where something horrible happens to a popular protagonist (Dany, Jon, etc.).
They can't all live. If I had to pick one, I suspect Dany will die...
Same here.
They're killing off lesser characters now, IMO. Ramsey Bolton and Margery last season, Queen of Thorns this year. These are not "everything is different from now on" deaths. You could argue Tommen's death is kind of a game changer, but just barely. Nothing really changed except the Reach switching sides, which ended up a short term development.
it's been mentioned multiple times on this thread, and it's was most people expected to be true, only Sam had no way to make the connection.
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about Jon's heritage -- he may not be a bastard after all. Which would put him ahead of Dany for the Iron Throne, I believe.
Not really, Rhaegar was killed before Aerys so I'm not sure how throne succession works, but since Rhaegar was never king, I'd imagine Aery's children (Danaerys is the lone survivor) all have stronger claims than Rhaegar's children.
but if not then I think in the books I think it would be Aegon (young griff) before Jon Snow just at this point I doubt they introduce young griff to the show.
Jon Snow is ahead of Dany with this marriage. If in the books Young Griff is the real Aegon (I doubt it) than he is ahead of Jon. But if he is a fake, and this annulment/marriage thing happens in the books than Jon is the rightful Targaryen heir. Without him in the show, Jon is now ahead of Dany for the throne by the same rules that she, Dany, is using. Jon would now be considered the only legitimate child of the crown prince. This also means where he's been since episode 3, Dragonstone, is rightfully his too and not Dany's.
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about Jon's heritage -- he may not be a bastard after all. Which would put him ahead of Dany for the Iron Throne, I believe.
Not really, Rhaegar was killed before Aerys so I'm not sure how throne succession works, but since Rhaegar was never king, I'd imagine Aery's children (Danaerys is the lone survivor) all have stronger claims than Rhaegar's children.
but if not then I think in the books I think it would be Aegon (young griff) before Jon Snow just at this point I doubt they introduce young griff to the show.
Jon Snow is ahead of Dany with this marriage. If in the books Young Griff is the real Aegon (I doubt it) than he is ahead of Jon. But if he is a fake, and this annulment/marriage thing happens in the books than Jon is the rightful Targaryen heir. Without him in the show, Jon is now ahead of Dany for the throne by the same rules that she, Dany, is using. Jon would now be considered the only legitimate child of the crown prince. This also means where he's been since episode 3, Dragonstone, is rightfully his too and not Dany's.
Dany's father is former King Aerys not Prince Rhaegar though.
That's like saying Jon Snow would have a greater claim than Viserys.
I admit I don't know throne succession rules, but it seems to me Dany's claim is stronger being a direct descendant of the king, not a prince who died before the king died. Once the prince dies IMO the heir moves to his next child, not the child of his dead heir (while he's alive at least).
All based on the fact Rhaegar died before Aerys.
Of course at this point in the story none of it matters much anyway. And I also wouldn't be surprised if Jon and Dany wind up marrying at some point making it all a moot point anyway.