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NFT: Game of Thrones S7 E5: Eastwatch - Gameday Thread

Big Blue Blogger : 8/13/2017 8:15 pm
Danaerys gives the remnants of Jaime's army an offer they can't refuse. How do they react, and what's her next move? Do the Dothraki head for King's Landing, or is it time to regroup? What's eating Varys and Tyrion - misgivings about the use of dragonfire, or the real existential threat approaching the Wall? Did Jaime sink or swim? And why is Cersei so confident?

The episode title suggests a pivot to the North. Should be fun.
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RE: RE: that dragon healed overnight from basically a ballistic missle  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/14/2017 9:05 am : link
In comment 13559502 mfsd said:
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of the time. no wound treatment etc. I thought that dragon was going to die



Yup good point, they quickly glossed over that. I'd find it hard to believe Qyburn hadn't dipped every scorpion arrow in some kind of poison


Dragon-killing poison? That hasn't ever been established as a thing.
Qyburn is a sick mad scientist  
pjcas18 : 8/14/2017 9:10 am : link
I bet him and Samwell together could come up with some way to kill wights in mass.

What was the deal with Qyburn in Cersei's chambers? Did he impregnate her? Maybe with some kind of reanimated joffrey or something or some targaeyen blood so she could "birth" dragons?

normally I wouldn't have paid attention to a throw away line, but didn't seem like throw-away the way Jamie asked it. like he was surprised Qyburn would be there.
it was cool to see the Medieval Oceans 11 ready to meet the WW  
GMAN4LIFE : 8/14/2017 9:18 am : link
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RE: Qyburn is a sick mad scientist  
Jon in NYC : 8/14/2017 9:33 am : link
In comment 13559516 pjcas18 said:
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I bet him and Samwell together could come up with some way to kill wights in mass.

What was the deal with Qyburn in Cersei's chambers? Did he impregnate her? Maybe with some kind of reanimated joffrey or something or some targaeyen blood so she could "birth" dragons?

normally I wouldn't have paid attention to a throw away line, but didn't seem like throw-away the way Jamie asked it. like he was surprised Qyburn would be there.


I don't think there are throwaway lines in this show.

You know some shit is going to go down with Qyburn and the pregnancy.

I think the baby isn't Jamies, which is why he ultimately kills her.
RE: I'm not saying I didn't like the episode  
Deej : 8/14/2017 9:40 am : link
In comment 13559487 pjcas18 said:
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I did but if someone told you several seasons ago (all the way back to the the earliest point say that you have met all these characters) that one day Jon Snow, the Brotherhood without Banners (including the Hound), Jorah Mormont, Davos Seaworth, Gendry, and Tormund Giantsbane (am I missing anyone?) would together venture to the other side of the wall in hopes of catching a live wight to bring to cersei lannister and prove their existence that's some pretty wild plot changes.

What was the point of the Maesters of the Citadel not telling Samwell about his father and brother. I don't think it would have motivated him to do anything, I know he hated his father (or at least had no love for him not sure about Dickon) but I think them adding that line to the show might have had a purpose.


Either it's important that he's the senior surviving Tarley male, or this just wraps up to loose end of Sam stealing the sword (because no one is left to care). Also sets up the drama of him finding out. GOT LOVES this kind of reveal.
Qyburn  
Deej : 8/14/2017 9:41 am : link
was probably there telling Cersi about the Tyrion meeting. He has the spy network in Kings Landing.
Pjcas18  
NYG27 : 8/14/2017 9:43 am : link
I took that scene as Qyburn was telling Cersi all the details from Jaime and Tyrion's meeting. He has the largest spy network in kings Landing now and knows everything. Which is why Qyburn looked a bit guilty on his way out after nodding at him and saying "Sir Jaime" as he walked away.
RE: I took Davos' search for Gendry  
MetsAreBack : 8/14/2017 9:45 am : link
In comment 13559480 Kevin_in_Pgh said:
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To mean that he thinks Dany will eventually torch King's Landing and he doesn't want Gendry to burn like Shireen did. He's been against burning kids the whole time (after losing his own son that way).

In addition to the personal aspects of that, it would mean the end of the Baratheon line, and he's still loyal to the memory of Stsnnis, so he'd want to guard against that.

Finally, for the show, the thought of Robert's soon repeating Dad's prowess with a war hammer along side Ned's "son" is just too much fun.


I think I agree with this take. If he were really brought over only for his mining and weapon building skills, why take him north for the expedition within 24 hours of arriving at dragonstone?

We're going to lose a number of that expedition next week which is too bad because all those characters bring something to the table in their unique ways.
RE: Pjcas18  
MetsAreBack : 8/14/2017 9:48 am : link
In comment 13559549 NYG27 said:
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I took that scene as Qyburn was telling Cersi all the details from Jaime and Tyrion's meeting. He has the largest spy network in kings Landing now and knows everything. Which is why Qyburn looked a bit guilty on his way out after nodding at him and saying "Sir Jaime" as he walked away.


Spies or no spies the only people who knew about that were Davos, Tyrian and Bronn. It's far more likely Dany has a leak in her cabinet. Certainly possible Varys was sent there to monitor way back given the emerging threat.
They set up the meeting with Jaime in a matter of fact way  
Bill L : 8/14/2017 9:48 am : link
which seems odd because they had the council meeting almost as soon as Dany came home. Last we (Dany and Tyrion) saw of Jaime (assuming that Dany knows who Jaime is), he was sinking to the bottom of the river or perhaps burned to a crisp.

It's been bugging me for a while about Dickon because he seemed so familiar. Finally remembered that he was Billy on Black Sails.
Of course we'd all be right  
MetsAreBack : 8/14/2017 9:49 am : link
If Varys was sending Qyburn the information.
Direction of the show in final 8 episodes  
NYG27 : 8/14/2017 9:50 am : link
Most everyone thought this season would have dealt with Dany taking Kings Landing from Cersei this season 7 and then all forces taking out the Night King in Season 8.

If there is a pause in the battle between Cersei and Dany, that would work better for the story. They can wrap up the battle with the Night King in the next 5 episodes or so. Then the final 3 would be all about who will be sitting on the Iron Throne at the end.

Plus I know next season will only be 6 episodes but I'm really wishing for a 2 hour finale to wrap up all the storylines!
Well, Qyburn might be up to some mad-science thing with the pregnancy.  
Big Blue Blogger : 8/14/2017 9:51 am : link
On the other hand, he did earn some links in his maester's chain before the Citadel defrocked him, so it's plausible that he has some OB/GYN skills. Cersei's circle of trust is pretty narrow; it makes sense that Qyburn would be her personal physician, when he's not busy re-animating oversized Queensguard, blowing up septs and designing surface-to-air missiles. He's a talented guy.

We know Cersei and Jaime did the nasty at least once before he marched off to Highgarden. Did she conceive, or did she just seduce him to set up the pregnancy story? Could go either way on that one.
I didn't get the sense that one sex episode was to set this up  
MetsAreBack : 8/14/2017 9:55 am : link
I just think Cersei was turned on by the thought of revenge on the sand snakes and knowing she was torturing Ellaria to death. The scene was right after the dungeon scene. Basically she's a sick fuck.
It doesn't make much sense to me for Varys  
pjcas18 : 8/14/2017 10:01 am : link
to be spying for Cersei.

He sounds genuine in his remorse for being a party to Aerys atrocities and sitting by and simply watching.

He's always proclaimed to want peace and what's best for "the realm" no idea how anyone can rationalize a Cersei-led Westeros is the best thing for the realm.

Cersei is at least as ruthless as Aerys.

though who really knows Varys true intentions, he's slippery like Littlefinger.
By the way did Theon hide out in his dog cage this week?  
MetsAreBack : 8/14/2017 10:02 am : link
Seems like a misallocation of resources to send Gendry up north instead of making weapons while Reek hangs back at dragonstone
It just feels like there are too many loose ends  
Deej : 8/14/2017 10:10 am : link
They're going to leave us hanging on stuff. I guess the books will be there to fill in the blanks.
Who knows if the books will follow  
MetsAreBack : 8/14/2017 10:13 am : link
These last two seasons or not.

I suppose they are planning spin-offs (or prequels, not exactly sure of the plan)
That group north of the wall  
Kyle in NY : 8/14/2017 10:23 am : link
probably is the best collection of characters the show has had in one place up until this point. I got a kick out of the "Magnificent Seven" vibe they had going on.

Damn shame we're likely about to lose a few next week but it should be thrilling. Figure Jon and the Hound are safe (though you never know), everybody else is fair game
RE: By the way did Theon hide out in his dog cage this week?  
Big Blue Blogger : 8/14/2017 10:24 am : link
MetsAreBack said:
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Seems like a misallocation of resources to send Gendry up north instead of making weapons while Reek hangs back at Dragonstone.
Jon gets to pick his team. Do you think he wants Theon watching his back? Theon is neither brave nor trustworthy, and Jon has particular reasons to hate him. Besides, Theon probably has a role to play in the naval story line in the South - for better or worse.
RE: That group north of the wall  
Deej : 8/14/2017 10:29 am : link
In comment 13559595 Kyle in NY said:
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probably is the best collection of characters the show has had in one place up until this point. I got a kick out of the "Magnificent Seven" vibe they had going on.

Damn shame we're likely about to lose a few next week but it should be thrilling. Figure Jon and the Hound are safe (though you never know), everybody else is fair game


Yeah. 2-3 seasons ago you'd have had that group stretched over half a season, delivering pure TV joy. Now it will resolve itself in 1-2 episode.

I find this season's staggering pace off putting. The "15 episode left" excuse doesnt make sense. This isnt 4am in college with a paper due at 11. They should have paced it better.
Doesn't really have any impact on the story  
slickwilly : 8/14/2017 10:30 am : link
but the attached was interesting. Can't tell for sure who that is, but regardless not sure how anyone notices these things.
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RE: That group north of the wall  
Big Blue Blogger : 8/14/2017 10:30 am : link
Kyle in NY said:
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Figure Jon and the Hound are safe (though you never know), everybody else is fair game.
Gendry is probably safe too. I don't think the showrunners brought him back just to feed him to the wights. As others have said, his smithing skills are too useful. Besides, Joe Dempsie and Carice van Houten have some hot chemistry and a score to settle. The show needs to get those two back together.
I'm getting a bit concerned that they won't be  
Mr. Bungle : 8/14/2017 10:31 am : link
able to resolve this series in a way that is generally well-received.

The threat of the white walkers was the very first scene of the very first episode. If and when a battle finally comes between the living and the dead, it really can't be something handled in one or two episodes, can it? But there are only 8 episodes left, and so many Westeros storylines are still wide open.

Given how rushed everything has felt over the last 15 or so episodes, I guess we should expect the show to take even greater liberties regarding travel time, circulation of news and information around Westeros, cutting character corners, etc.

It would be a shame if an all-time great series like this one ends on a "What the fuck was that?!" kind of note. But doubt is beginning to creep in for me that they'll end this series with a fantastic finish.
RE: That group north of the wall  
pjcas18 : 8/14/2017 10:33 am : link
In comment 13559595 Kyle in NY said:
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probably is the best collection of characters the show has had in one place up until this point. I got a kick out of the "Magnificent Seven" vibe they had going on.

Damn shame we're likely about to lose a few next week but it should be thrilling. Figure Jon and the Hound are safe (though you never know), everybody else is fair game


Agree, and it's an odd collection, and the reason they're going is bizarre and completely unpredictable IMO, I mentioned as much earlier (am I missing anyone?):

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I'm not saying I didn't like the episode
pjcas18 : 8:16 am : link : reply
I did but if someone told you several seasons ago (all the way back to the the earliest point say that you have met all these characters) that one day Jon Snow, the Brotherhood without Banners (including the Hound), Jorah Mormont, Davos Seaworth, Gendry, and Tormund Giantsbane (am I missing anyone?) would together venture to the other side of the wall in hopes of catching a live wight to bring to cersei lannister and prove their existence that's some pretty wild plot changes.
RE: That group north of the wall  
RobCarpenter : 8/14/2017 10:36 am : link
In comment 13559595 Kyle in NY said:
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probably is the best collection of characters the show has had in one place up until this point. I got a kick out of the "Magnificent Seven" vibe they had going on.


+1, that interaction between them all was fantastic.
RE: Doesn't really have any impact on the story  
Big Blue Blogger : 8/14/2017 10:36 am : link
slickwilly said:
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but the attached was interesting. Can't tell for sure who that is, but regardless not sure how anyone notices these things.
Seriously? Michelle Fairley's hair was both straighter and darker. The woman in the background looks more like the girl that Arya saw whispering with Littlefinger in episode 5. There are lots of redheads in the North. It's Westeros's version of Scotland.
Leave it to Gilly to find the most important fact  
RobCarpenter : 8/14/2017 10:38 am : link
about Jon's heritage -- he may not be a bastard after all. Which would put him ahead of Dany for the Iron Throne, I believe.
Yeah, that crew is hilarious.  
bceagle05 : 8/14/2017 10:39 am : link
It's a shame they'll only have one episode (presumably) together. Back when Game of Thrones was moving at a slower pace, a storyline like that would be dragged out over multiple episodes and you'd get some comic relief. The Hound and Thoros should do a "buddy cop" spinoff.
RE: I'm getting a bit concerned that they won't be  
Deej : 8/14/2017 10:39 am : link
In comment 13559608 Mr. Bungle said:
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able to resolve this series in a way that is generally well-received.

The threat of the white walkers was the very first scene of the very first episode. If and when a battle finally comes between the living and the dead, it really can't be something handled in one or two episodes, can it? But there are only 8 episodes left, and so many Westeros storylines are still wide open.

Given how rushed everything has felt over the last 15 or so episodes, I guess we should expect the show to take even greater liberties regarding travel time, circulation of news and information around Westeros, cutting character corners, etc.

It would be a shame if an all-time great series like this one ends on a "What the fuck was that?!" kind of note. But doubt is beginning to creep in for me that they'll end this series with a fantastic finish.


What Im expecting:

RE: Leave it to Gilly to find the most important fact  
pjcas18 : 8/14/2017 10:45 am : link
In comment 13559624 RobCarpenter said:
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about Jon's heritage -- he may not be a bastard after all. Which would put him ahead of Dany for the Iron Throne, I believe.


Not really, Rhaegar was killed before Aerys so I'm not sure how throne succession works, but since Rhaegar was never king, I'd imagine Aery's children (Danaerys is the lone survivor) all have stronger claims than Rhaegar's children.

but if not then I think in the books I think it would be Aegon (young griff) before Jon Snow just at this point I doubt they introduce young griff to the show.
At this point, as long as Cersei's dead, I'm good.  
bceagle05 : 8/14/2017 10:49 am : link
I know the prophecy leads us to believe Tyrion or Jaime will do the deed, but I'm hoping it's Jon or Arya. Figure Cersei will lie to Dany/Jon about this supposed armistice, then they'll come back and settle the score after they handle the Army of the Dead.
RE: I don't get why Arya being faceless  
Chris in Philly : 8/14/2017 10:51 am : link
In comment 13559470 UConn4523 said:
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means she'd be the smartest person in the realm now. She shouldn't be above getting conned, IMO. I know she's more important to the show than Littlefinger, but I'd be disappointed if he he gets duped by her.


I'm not saying I think she has become the smartest person in the room. Only that Littlefinger playing her is too obvious for me. The machinations he has put in place have to come back to bite him at some point...
This episode  
Don in DC : 8/14/2017 10:53 am : link
showed that Jon Snow isn't a bastard, regardless of parentage. Rhaegar and Lyanna were married. He's rightfully Jon Targaryen.

Also, my strong suspicion is that Gendry was brought back to re-discover the secret of Valyrian steel and make a bunch of it for the war against the dead.
RE: Pjcas18  
Chris in Philly : 8/14/2017 10:58 am : link
In comment 13559549 NYG27 said:
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I took that scene as Qyburn was telling Cersi all the details from Jaime and Tyrion's meeting. He has the largest spy network in kings Landing now and knows everything. Which is why Qyburn looked a bit guilty on his way out after nodding at him and saying "Sir Jaime" as he walked away.


That scene was about her pregnancy. He even asked her if he wanted her to give him some medicine for her presumed morning sickness. It was awkward because Jaime is the father.
RE: RE: That group north of the wall  
Kyle in NY : 8/14/2017 11:01 am : link
In comment 13559607 Big Blue Blogger said:
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Figure Jon and the Hound are safe (though you never know), everybody else is fair game.

Gendry is probably safe too. I don't think the showrunners brought him back just to feed him to the wights. As others have said, his smithing skills are too useful. Besides, Joe Dempsie and Carice van Houten have some hot chemistry and a score to settle. The show needs to get those two back together.


Yeah he's probably safe. Someone has to continue the Baratheon line as well.

We haven't had a significant character death yet this season (no, Dickon doesn't count. Just kneel you moron!) I think Tormund and Jorah are in trouble.
I've enjoyed the season so far  
Go Terps : 8/14/2017 11:10 am : link
I wonder if this show has another "no fucking way" moment like Ned Stark's beheading or the Red Wedding where, for lack of a better term, the bad guys kill a central good guy(s).
RE: I've enjoyed the season so far  
pjcas18 : 8/14/2017 11:14 am : link
In comment 13559681 Go Terps said:
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I wonder if this show has another "no fucking way" moment like Ned Stark's beheading or the Red Wedding where, for lack of a better term, the bad guys kill a central good guy(s).


I think the Frey's in episode 1 was a "no fucking way" moment, no?

but I think there are more coming.
RE: RE: RE: That group north of the wall  
Deej : 8/14/2017 11:15 am : link
In comment 13559669 Kyle in NY said:
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Kyle in NY said:

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Figure Jon and the Hound are safe (though you never know), everybody else is fair game.

Gendry is probably safe too. I don't think the showrunners brought him back just to feed him to the wights. As others have said, his smithing skills are too useful. Besides, Joe Dempsie and Carice van Houten have some hot chemistry and a score to settle. The show needs to get those two back together.



Yeah he's probably safe. Someone has to continue the Baratheon line as well.

We haven't had a significant character death yet this season (no, Dickon doesn't count. Just kneel you moron!) I think Tormund and Jorah are in trouble.


Well the Sand Snakes and the Queen of Thorns are more significant than Dicky. But yeah, no core characters. I could pick out 20 more meaningful deaths (3 Baratheon brothers, 3 Starks, 3 Lanisters, 2 Boltons, Drogo, Viserys, Margery, the High Sparrow, Oberyn, Mance is almost 20)
pj  
Go Terps : 8/14/2017 11:18 am : link
Everyone hates the Freys. Awesome scene, but I mean where something horrible happens to a popular protagonist (Dany, Jon, etc.).
Shame on me  
Kyle in NY : 8/14/2017 11:18 am : link
for forgetting the great Olenna. Yes she was certainly significant, though her usefulness to the plot was likely finished.
RE: pj  
Chris in Philly : 8/14/2017 11:19 am : link
In comment 13559696 Go Terps said:
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Everyone hates the Freys. Awesome scene, but I mean where something horrible happens to a popular protagonist (Dany, Jon, etc.).


They can't all live. If I had to pick one, I suspect Dany will die...
Terps  
Kyle in NY : 8/14/2017 11:20 am : link
never know, but those moments were more of a GRRM specialty. Since the show has past the books, those have felt a bit less likely as the show runners seem a bit more sentimental.

But if they want to go there, they could certainly pull off a real shocker
RE: RE: pj  
Go Terps : 8/14/2017 11:23 am : link
In comment 13559700 Chris in Philly said:
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In comment 13559696 Go Terps said:


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Everyone hates the Freys. Awesome scene, but I mean where something horrible happens to a popular protagonist (Dany, Jon, etc.).



They can't all live. If I had to pick one, I suspect Dany will die...


Same here.
It is interesting that it's been some time  
Deej : 8/14/2017 11:24 am : link
since one of the really, really core early, politically important characters went. Cat, Nedd, Robb, Tywin, Robert, Renly, Stannis. Someone of that magnitude. Tywin died in Season 4, and Stannis in Season 5.

They're killing off lesser characters now, IMO. Ramsey Bolton and Margery last season, Queen of Thorns this year. These are not "everything is different from now on" deaths. You could argue Tommen's death is kind of a game changer, but just barely. Nothing really changed except the Reach switching sides, which ended up a short term development.
why isnt anyone talking more about what Gilly said to Sam?  
GMAN4LIFE : 8/14/2017 11:24 am : link
that piece of info is huge
RE: why isnt anyone talking more about what Gilly said to Sam?  
pjcas18 : 8/14/2017 11:26 am : link
In comment 13559706 GMAN4LIFE said:
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that piece of info is huge


it's been mentioned multiple times on this thread, and it's was most people expected to be true, only Sam had no way to make the connection.
RE: RE: Leave it to Gilly to find the most important fact  
moespree : 8/14/2017 11:27 am : link
In comment 13559642 pjcas18 said:
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about Jon's heritage -- he may not be a bastard after all. Which would put him ahead of Dany for the Iron Throne, I believe.



Not really, Rhaegar was killed before Aerys so I'm not sure how throne succession works, but since Rhaegar was never king, I'd imagine Aery's children (Danaerys is the lone survivor) all have stronger claims than Rhaegar's children.

but if not then I think in the books I think it would be Aegon (young griff) before Jon Snow just at this point I doubt they introduce young griff to the show.


Jon Snow is ahead of Dany with this marriage. If in the books Young Griff is the real Aegon (I doubt it) than he is ahead of Jon. But if he is a fake, and this annulment/marriage thing happens in the books than Jon is the rightful Targaryen heir. Without him in the show, Jon is now ahead of Dany for the throne by the same rules that she, Dany, is using. Jon would now be considered the only legitimate child of the crown prince. This also means where he's been since episode 3, Dragonstone, is rightfully his too and not Dany's.
RE: RE: RE: Leave it to Gilly to find the most important fact  
pjcas18 : 8/14/2017 11:31 am : link
In comment 13559710 moespree said:
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about Jon's heritage -- he may not be a bastard after all. Which would put him ahead of Dany for the Iron Throne, I believe.



Not really, Rhaegar was killed before Aerys so I'm not sure how throne succession works, but since Rhaegar was never king, I'd imagine Aery's children (Danaerys is the lone survivor) all have stronger claims than Rhaegar's children.

but if not then I think in the books I think it would be Aegon (young griff) before Jon Snow just at this point I doubt they introduce young griff to the show.



Jon Snow is ahead of Dany with this marriage. If in the books Young Griff is the real Aegon (I doubt it) than he is ahead of Jon. But if he is a fake, and this annulment/marriage thing happens in the books than Jon is the rightful Targaryen heir. Without him in the show, Jon is now ahead of Dany for the throne by the same rules that she, Dany, is using. Jon would now be considered the only legitimate child of the crown prince. This also means where he's been since episode 3, Dragonstone, is rightfully his too and not Dany's.


Dany's father is former King Aerys not Prince Rhaegar though.

That's like saying Jon Snow would have a greater claim than Viserys.

I admit I don't know throne succession rules, but it seems to me Dany's claim is stronger being a direct descendant of the king, not a prince who died before the king died. Once the prince dies IMO the heir moves to his next child, not the child of his dead heir (while he's alive at least).

All based on the fact Rhaegar died before Aerys.

Male comes before female in this world  
moespree : 8/14/2017 11:41 am : link
Rhaegar was the heir and crown prince, therefore upon his death his male descendant comes before a female one. Think of it in modern day England terms. William's son is now ahead of William's brother in the line of succession. Jon was even ahead of Viserys too. I'm sure it's part of the reason the Kingsguard were at the Tower of Joy protecting the infant Jon. He was the legit heir at that time. In the books Ned even asks them why they aren't protecting Viserys or the pregnant (with Danerys) Rhaella with Rhaegar and Aerys now dead.

Of course at this point in the story none of it matters much anyway. And I also wouldn't be surprised if Jon and Dany wind up marrying at some point making it all a moot point anyway.
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