Danaerys gives the remnants of Jaime's army an offer they can't refuse. How do they react, and what's her next move? Do the Dothraki head for King's Landing, or is it time to regroup? What's eating Varys and Tyrion - misgivings about the use of dragonfire, or the real existential threat approaching the Wall? Did Jaime sink or swim? And why is Cersei so confident?
The episode title suggests a pivot to the North. Should be fun.
That's like saying Jon Snow would have a greater claim than Viserys.
That would be consistent with why the Kingsguard were guarding the Tower of Joy rather than Viserys in the flashback.
Also I think this is consistent with the British line of succession. Per Wiki, it is currently Charles, then Charles's son William, then Charles's grandson. Then it gets interesting. Charles's granddaughter, then Prince Harry (so exhausting the Charles line). Then Prince Andrew, who is Charles's brother (QEII's second child). Andrew's 2 kids. then Edward (QEII's 3rd kid) etc.
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That's like saying Jon Snow would have a greater claim than Viserys.
That would be consistent with why the Kingsguard were guarding the Tower of Joy rather than Viserys in the flashback.
Also I think this is consistent with the British line of succession. Per Wiki, it is currently Charles, then Charles's son William, then Charles's grandson. Then it gets interesting. Charles's granddaughter, then Prince Harry (so exhausting the Charles line). Then Prince Andrew, who is Charles's brother (QEII's second child). Andrew's 2 kids. then Edward (QEII's 3rd kid) etc.
So if Charles dies while the Queen is still alive, his children still succeed the Queen, not Andrew?
if yes, that's my incorrect assumption. I assumed when Charles dies (if) the heir becomes Andrew not Charles children.
He's leading the knights of the vale and he's one of the few "bad guys" left so he's a good plot device to keep some tension in Winterfell. But I agree I think he's a goner in the next 2 episodes. He's one of the few "big deaths" without any central role going forward.
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He's leading the knights of the vale and he's one of the few "bad guys" left so he's a good plot device to keep some tension in Winterfell. But I agree I think he's a goner in the next 2 episodes. He's one of the few "big deaths" without any central role going forward.
i think he dies and that makes sansa hate arya
Probably has to do with the Vale.
Seems likely given what's known about Bran, Arya, Littlefinger. This week was the head fake to get littlefinger stirring things up.
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means she'd be the smartest person in the realm now. She shouldn't be above getting conned, IMO. I know she's more important to the show than Littlefinger, but I'd be disappointed if he he gets duped by her.
I'm not saying I think she has become the smartest person in the room. Only that Littlefinger playing her is too obvious for me. The machinations he has put in place have to come back to bite him at some point...
It's also the fact that the story has 9 episodes left and with the hints given this year (Bran's talk w/ Littlefinger) you know he has his day of reckoning coming at some point. I agree with CiP in that with the way this went down it was a bit too obvious of a play, even the parts where she was 10" from him listening in while being somewhat in the open and the immediate rush into his room 2 secs after he left. I think most knew exactly what was going to happen when she discovered the note that this was a ruse by LF
Maybe as an audience we're ust gun shy and expect these things but I've started to feel like that as well. While it's beginnimg to feel over the last few eps like Dany might not see the end of the series I think that will come down the road. After last night I'm wondering if the "awwwww shit!" moment isn't Arya being played (and dispatched) by Littlefinger. That would definitely hit the audience in the gut and while not on the same scale as the Red Weddimg in terms of body count, I think it would affect people even more. I think there's more of an attachment to the character and her motivations after 7 seasons.
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That's like saying Jon Snow would have a greater claim than Viserys.
That would be consistent with why the Kingsguard were guarding the Tower of Joy rather than Viserys in the flashback.
Also I think this is consistent with the British line of succession. Per Wiki, it is currently Charles, then Charles's son William, then Charles's grandson. Then it gets interesting. Charles's granddaughter, then Prince Harry (so exhausting the Charles line). Then Prince Andrew, who is Charles's brother (QEII's second child). Andrew's 2 kids. then Edward (QEII's 3rd kid) etc.
So if Charles dies while the Queen is still alive, his children still succeed the Queen, not Andrew?
if yes, that's my incorrect assumption. I assumed when Charles dies (if) the heir becomes Andrew not Charles children.
Your assumption has some logic but is not correct.
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Everyone hates the Freys. Awesome scene, but I mean where something horrible happens to a popular protagonist (Dany, Jon, etc.).
They can't all live. If I had to pick one, I suspect Dany will die...
Same here.
I suspect they all return for season 8. Maybe they kill a stark sister and or little finger though. As it probably should be - the political/tactical battle is a lot more fun than a war against the white walkers.
They'll probably kill one or two of the dragons though to even things out.... not exactly going out on a limb there though. Dany just said to jon they were her children - I'm guessing that's a bad omen for these final 2
Episodes.
Everyone fighting the WW and then cersei ambushing everyone afterwards with the golden company seems like the obvious plot line at this point but who knows.
If there was a GOT dead pool (I'm sure there is) for the next episode I'd have high probability on one of:
Davos (his usefulness is just about done now and he's facing the Wights and he's not a fighter)
Tormund (see Davos other than perhaps uniting the Wildings/free folk "for the cause", he could be a sacrifice for capturing a Wight)
Jorah (see Davos and Tormund - one of them is going to lose their life getting a wight)
None of them are particularly major though. Just seemed like Dany was saying goodbye to Jorah. Seemed final.
I do think Cersei and/or Jamie are killed eventually, but one thing I never got about Cersei's prophecy is it says "the valonquar" or "the little brother" can't that be any little brother, not necessarily hers? It could be Jon Snow, it could be Tyrion or Jamie, it could be Samwell Tarly, why does it have to be her little brother.
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Weird how they were able to safely swim away from that close to the battle, lol.
I watched with 5 others tonight and as soon as I saw them swim to shore I said "fuck this shit". Pretty much ruined the next 59 minutes for me. Next weeks episode can't come soon enough, they took an insane amount of short cuts this episode.
Ruined the rest of the episode? Thats dumb.
Whats dumb was that sloppy writing job. I was being somewhat facetious but that was laugh out loud bad.
then stop watching, thanks
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He's leading the knights of the vale and he's one of the few "bad guys" left so he's a good plot device to keep some tension in Winterfell. But I agree I think he's a goner in the next 2 episodes. He's one of the few "big deaths" without any central role going forward.
i think he dies and that makes sansa hate arya
Why on earth would that make Sansa hate Arya? Sansa has no love lost for Littlefinger...
I think Sansa has improved a lot on the show. Martin didn't do too many favors for her in the way she was written. She was always going to be unlikable. But she is one who has shown significant growth as a character.
Arya and Sansa were always going to be at odds, but they have been through too much for Littlefinger to be the final nail in their relationship.
I think she has to die before the birth. No reason why Maggie's prophecy shouldn't stay true...
I think she tries to screw over Daenyrs before the season is over and fails but we'll see.
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Weird how they were able to safely swim away from that close to the battle, lol.
I watched with 5 others tonight and as soon as I saw them swim to shore I said "fuck this shit". Pretty much ruined the next 59 minutes for me. Next weeks episode can't come soon enough, they took an insane amount of short cuts this episode.
Ruined the rest of the episode? Thats dumb.
Whats dumb was that sloppy writing job. I was being somewhat facetious but that was laugh out loud bad.
then stop watching, thanks
Great discussion. Newsflash, I wasn't the only one who thought it was lame.
Agreed. He's kinda become the symbol of all the Northern lords now, but really, fuck him, he didn't just refuse to fight, he was a straight up dick to Jon and Sansa when they asked
I think that's more like a couple episodes, just too expensive to drag out that long.
If they kill off Cersei who is the villain if not the Night King with his wights and white walkers?
Littlefinger? Dany?
I see Littlefinger doing his 4th or however many double-cross of the Starks and joining with Cersei somehow.
I think he makes a better spy for Cersei than Varys, but not sure how Littlefinger could get someone in Dany's inner circle, unless he's picking off Ravens sent to Winterfell and getting information quickly about their plans, but I doubt that.
I agree only because the main material isn't written. I have no doubt GRRM will be killing off several central characters if he ever finishes. The show is a separate entity and I can see the fan favorites staying for a while longer but even then its still likely 1 or 2 will bite the dust. No one is safe in the GoT, we learned that very early on in the series.
I'm not convinced she's pregnant. But if she is I'm guessing she has an ugly death at the hands of either Jaime or Arya.
I wonder if Arya is wearing dead Jamie's face if she'd have two hands.
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"And when your tears have drowned you, the Valonqar shall wrap his hands about your pale white throat and choke the life from you."
I wonder if Arya is wearing dead Jamie's face if she'd have two hands.
Wearing someone's face is one thing, but suddenly growing by a foot is another.
Really the only way he can redeem himself from being an enabler to the evils of Cersei and Tywin, and to be corrective of his past actions as the "kingslayer", is to intervene in a way to preserve the right for another Targareyan to be placed on the throne.
very doable the rest of the way.
Still not clear on how they plan to capture a Wight to prove to cersei they exist, throw it in a burlap sack? shackle it with chains?
Really the only way he can redeem himself from being an enabler to the evils of Cersei and Tywin, and to be corrective of his past actions as the "kingslayer", is to intervene in a way to preserve the right for another Targareyan to be placed on the throne.
I agree about Jaime - he would essentially commit a similar act as Queenslayer, but this time would be an act of redemption
I do suspect he'll end up dying somehow too, he's kind of a tragic/cursed figure to me - don't see a happy ending for him
Melisandre told Arya the two of them would see each other again, so Arya will have a chance to cross her off the list.
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to fulfill the prophecy only if Tyrion or Jamie die and Arya "wears their face", and Jamie only has one hand so I think it's Tyrion.
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"And when your tears have drowned you, the Valonqar shall wrap his hands about your pale white throat and choke the life from you."
I wonder if Arya is wearing dead Jamie's face if she'd have two hands.
Wearing someone's face is one thing, but suddenly growing by a foot is another.
I think she would though. This seems to be is one of the decisions the show has made. She had Walder Frey's height and bone structure in the first episode and suddenly and instantly went back to Arya when she took his face off. So I guess this is explained through magic but they've decided in the show that the person gets all of the features and not just the face. So if she does wind up killing Cersei wearing Jaime's face she'll have all of his features I guess.
Though I do think she'd have to only have one hand. I can't imagine they'd write it wear she randomly loses a hand by putting his face on and then randomly grows it back when taking his face off. That'd be ridiculous.
I hope you are right. I'm tired of Jamie. I,was hoping the dragon would have roasted him but I guess he has more life left. But, because I do believe ARYA will be the one to kill Cersei, I think taking Jamies face to get close to Cersei makes a lot of sense and is the way to do it. However, I have one problem.....ARYA is very short. Jamie,is,tall. How does ARYA make herself much taller even with Jamie's face, that still would look odd.
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I hope you are right. I'm tired of Jamie. I,was hoping the dragon would have roasted him but I guess he has more life left. But, because I do believe ARYA will be the one to kill Cersei, I think taking Jamies face to get close to Cersei makes a lot of sense and is the way to do it. However, I have one problem.....ARYA is very short. Jamie,is,tall. How does ARYA make herself much taller even with Jamie's face, that still would look odd.
I feel like there's some magic along with the face stealing. I mean she sounded exactly like Walder Frey too.
Arya stripped off the mask and she was Arya sized again, Arya is about 5 feet tall, pretty sure Walder Frey was taller than 5 feet.
He does have two hands. The prophecy didn't say one couldn't be made of gold.