Danaerys gives the remnants of Jaime's army an offer they can't refuse. How do they react, and what's her next move? Do the Dothraki head for King's Landing, or is it time to regroup? What's eating Varys and Tyrion - misgivings about the use of dragonfire, or the real existential threat approaching the Wall? Did Jaime sink or swim? And why is Cersei so confident?
The episode title suggests a pivot to the North. Should be fun.
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be the one to carry out the prophecy if it is to be interpreted literally unless you believe he can choke Cersei to death with one hand. Possible I guess, but unlikely IMO.
He does have two hands. The prophecy didn't say one couldn't be made of gold.
But one of them, the gold one, is not going to be usable when choking someone.
So my point was unless Jamie is capable of choking Cersei to death with one hand, and the prophecy is to be taken literally, then it would likely be Tyrion not Jamie if "the volonquar" means Cersei's little brother not a generic "little brother" which widens the pool of "suspects".
Cercei believes Jaime has "betrayed" her. She puts a dagger into his heart.
Tyrion, seeing his brother murdered, loses it and chokes the life out of Cercei.
She dies and falls with her arms around Jaime's dead body.
(Jaime always said he wanted to die in the arms of the woman he loved)
Fade to black
Personally, I always thought the Faceless Men used some sort of magic based shape shifting from the Many-Faced God that would not only change their faces but also physically change their body type.....as long as they're wearing that face.
That's why a 5 foot Arya could become a 6 foot Jamie, if she wore his face and attacked Cersei.
That would be a very shocking reveal, but how do you explain the waif's face on the wall of faces instead of Arya's?
That was an interesting theory but why would The waif want to take out Walter Frey and the rest of Arya's list or know details about Winterfell like visiting Ned's crypt.
2. I have a strong feeling Cersie is a goner in the season finale. She will have a trap layed waiting for Dany/Jon to step into. But Jaime will interviene. Either he finds out she is lying to him about her pregnancy or she will try to blow up a section of the city with Dany in it.
If Cersie is pregnant, she is destined to die before giving birth anyway. Lena headly is great, but there is not much more for her character to do. She took the crown, she has gotten her revenges.
Its time for Cersie to go away and for everyone to learn the truth about Jon's parentage. That will lead to an interesting tension between our two main progtagonists, even as they fight together against the dead.
This is another big plot-point (the prophecy) that could take a potentially huge turn from what GRRM originally intended.
But it would be pretty awesome.
One thing I've been thinking about is Davos having to swallow his pride/anger and find The Red Witch so she can revive Jon again.
One thing I've been thinking about is Davos having to swallow his pride/anger and find The Red Witch so she can revive Jon again.
Maybe that's Thoros's purpose on the show.
Also looking forward to Jon Snow's reunion with both Bran and especially Arya. Hope Littlefinger doesn't ruin either of those.
I don't know if they'll do it so quickly after him returning, but I think it would be a good end to his character and plot arc if it happened. It makes sense to me.
I don't know if they'll do it so quickly after him returning, but I think it would be a good end to his character and plot arc if it happened. It makes sense to me.
He also would serve to get Dany emotionally invested in the war against the White Walkers if it turns out he becomes the wight that the group brings back with them.
It would also make sense that he would return the favor of Jon saving and avenging his father.
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He dies fulfilling his promise to serve Dany, saves the life of someone his father thought very highly of, restores his honor in the North in the process of doing it. Also, without even knowing he equally fulfills his promise of protecting House Targaryen as well by protecting Jon.
I don't know if they'll do it so quickly after him returning, but I think it would be a good end to his character and plot arc if it happened. It makes sense to me.
He also would serve to get Dany emotionally invested in the war against the White Walkers if it turns out he becomes the wight that the group brings back with them.
Good way to prove that they are real, to use someone recognizable, that is for sure...
Yeah, the complaint here is kind of odd. "I'll buy that the faceless men can take a face, and a voice. But getting taller? That's just ridiculous". It's a fantasy show.
I don't know if they'll do it so quickly after him returning, but I think it would be a good end to his character and plot arc if it happened. It makes sense to me.
Several people were mentioning thoughts that Dany would be iced, but I hope not and I don't think so. The show's theme song is Fire And Ice.....which happens to be Dany (fire) and Jon Sno (ice). I think they both live on.
then reuniting disease free with your true love, and then offering to put your life on the line for her and expose yourself to ridiculous grievous danger by confronting the army of the un-dead and then (projecting) being killed and reanimated by the army of un-dead.
although hard to ever really know how much time has passed on the show, the only one who looks markedly older is Bran, though if you look back at season 1 Arya does too.
Someone said yesterday that perhaps Dany will fly north of the wall to save Jon with all 3 dragons and lose one in the process.
Several people were mentioning thoughts that Dany would be iced, but I hope not and I don't think so.
Don't worry, Jon is gonna ice her alright.
Boat travel appears to be very, very fast in this world. Which makes sense. I have been wondering why these people spend so much time doing hard rides instead of speedily cruising by boat in relative luxury.
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Several people were mentioning thoughts that Dany would be iced, but I hope not and I don't think so.
Don't worry, Jon is gonna ice her alright.
Yeah I tihnk the tension next year will be Dany not wanting to give up her claim on the throne, even after realizing Jon is the rightful heir. All this comeing to light as they are fighting the dead.
Cersie is toast IMO. There is nothing for her character to do that will surprise us anymore.
That dagger is no doubt going to be used on the hound
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Several people were mentioning thoughts that Dany would be iced, but I hope not and I don't think so.
Don't worry, Jon is gonna ice her alright.
Yeah I tihnk the tension next year will be Dany not wanting to give up her claim on the throne, even after realizing Jon is the rightful heir. All this comeing to light as they are fighting the dead.
Cersie is toast IMO. There is nothing for her character to do that will surprise us anymore.
She could start boning the Mountain.
If the setup is Dany vs. Jon, Papa Tarley's speech this week will be good foreshaddowing. Jon has a legit claim to the throne, grew up in Westeros, and only let the free folk south of the wall (way less of a big deal than putting the Dothraki on boats).
Gendry is pretty cocky. I wonder whether he's going to claim to be the legit heir to Robert. I get that Cersi took the throne by being a bad ass, but I do wonder where she and her brother get the balls to claim that oaths made to Robert and his sons (who werent really his sons) somehow transfer to the Lannisters now.
I wondered if that was a nod to the Targaryen's, since they were notoriously incestuous.
Daenerys is the daughter of brother and sister.
Seemed from the show that she was just property for him to use to further advance his own agenda. I wonder in the books if it mentions if he had any plans to marry Daenerys himself before his ideal to marry her off to Drogo to get the Dothraki army to win the Iron Throne for him.
Seemed from the show that she was just property for him to use to further advance his own agenda. I wonder in the books if it mentions if he had any plans to marry Daenerys himself before his ideal to marry her off to Drogo to get the Dothraki army to win the Iron Throne for him.
Martin did a great job with Viserys, I disliked him almost as much and as instantly as Joffrey.
I don't remember Viserys wanting to marry daenerys, but he did try and take her virginity on her wedding night, but I think Jorah stopped him (someone did).
From my recollection Viserys was more interested in winning back his throne more than marrying Daenerys if he even had any interest in that, but he did view her as his property and he believed he sold her to the Dothraki to get the services of their army.
His death was one of those "thank god" that guy was so annoying moments.
What if Dany is nuts? He may be talked into it as his duty.
We know that or think that, but you know how people like Varys think, they'll make him out to be a threat not an ally.
I did find this though which I found interesting, is this just because Aegon was an infant? Viserys couldn't have been much older?
Viserys was only a young boy at the time of Robert's Rebellion, and Queen Rhaella sheltered him from King Aerys's madness as much as she could.[10] When his brother Rhaegar was killed at the Battle of the Trident, Viserys was named his father's heir, passing over Rhaegar's infant son Aegon.
this is what my logic was about Daenerys, though male/female not being considered in my logic.
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Also if you think about it he is the one character that has always been promoted up the chain of power and never asked for a single one of them. From nothing bastard of Winterfell to steward to Lord Commander to battle commander to King in the North. There's really only one promotion left.
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All you guys pining for central character deaths, I feel are going to be sadly disappointed this late in the game. It makes perfect sense early. Build emotion, the want for revenge, ect. but this late? I seriously doubt it.
I agree only because the main material isn't written. I have no doubt GRRM will be killing off several central characters if he ever finishes. The show is a separate entity and I can see the fan favorites staying for a while longer but even then its still likely 1 or 2 will bite the dust. No one is safe in the GoT, we learned that very early on in the series.
All the key points have been laid out. There are not going to be serious deviations. He might throw the book fans a bone and go in a little bit of a different direction in a few areas but Im guessing it's nothing major.
Further, GRRM has said he has drawn from the Lord of the Rings many times and absolutely loved how it ended. I think we are going to see a sappy ending with the Starks coming out mostly on top (minus Arya). When I talk of central characters I am really talking about central protagonists. Of course Cersei, Littlefinger, and a bunch of huge characters are still going to die. I still feel Arya and Jaime are toast. Daenyrys, Jon Snow, Tyrian, and most of the characters we are rooting for will live IMO.
I don't know. I've just never heard of a one-armed man choking someone to death.
I kind of feel like it would be a hard thing to do. I mean Jamie isn't Theon, but he's not physically powerful like the Mountain either.
Arya stripped off the mask and she was Arya sized again, Arya is about 5 feet tall, pretty sure Walder Frey was taller than 5 feet.
The face-stealing concept was bad from the beginning. Impossible to execute well on screen. Not even easy to imagine when reading.
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be able to choke a skinny woman with one hand? Its morbid to think about but its certainly possible.
I don't know. I've just never heard of a one-armed man choking someone to death.
I kind of feel like it would be a hard thing to do. I mean Jamie isn't Theon, but he's not physically powerful like the Mountain either.
Really want to get off this subject because it's awful to think about but I'm 6 feet tall, I could definitely squeeze a woman's neck up against a wall or something.
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Commander of the Night's Watch and he doesn't want to be the King in the North. I can't see him wanting to be ruler of the realm if it even comes to that. His lineage speaks more to him being legitimized and potentially a controller of dragons than it is their heir to the throne.
What if Dany is nuts? He may be talked into it as his duty.
My only point is I don't think it's something he will be gunning for due to it being his right. If circumstance takes him that route like it has in his 2 other positions, that's a different story.
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be able to choke a skinny woman with one hand? Its morbid to think about but its certainly possible.
I don't know. I've just never heard of a one-armed man choking someone to death.
I kind of feel like it would be a hard thing to do. I mean Jamie isn't Theon, but he's not physically powerful like the Mountain either.
Really want to get off this subject because it's awful to think about but I'm 6 feet tall, I could definitely squeeze a woman's neck up against a wall or something.
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All you guys pining for central character deaths, I feel are going to be sadly disappointed this late in the game. It makes perfect sense early. Build emotion, the want for revenge, ect. but this late? I seriously doubt it.
I agree only because the main material isn't written. I have no doubt GRRM will be killing off several central characters if he ever finishes. The show is a separate entity and I can see the fan favorites staying for a while longer but even then its still likely 1 or 2 will bite the dust. No one is safe in the GoT, we learned that very early on in the series.
All the key points have been laid out. There are not going to be serious deviations. He might throw the book fans a bone and go in a little bit of a different direction in a few areas but Im guessing it's nothing major.
Further, GRRM has said he has drawn from the Lord of the Rings many times and absolutely loved how it ended. I think we are going to see a sappy ending with the Starks coming out mostly on top (minus Arya). When I talk of central characters I am really talking about central protagonists. Of course Cersei, Littlefinger, and a bunch of huge characters are still going to die. I still feel Arya and Jaime are toast. Daenyrys, Jon Snow, Tyrian, and most of the characters we are rooting for will live IMO.
GRRM says a lot of things including Littlefinger being one of if the his most favorite character. You can draw a conclusion there or just chalk it up to him enjoying writing that character with no strings attached.
If the books were done and then ending was laid out already I'm almost certain the ending wouldn't be a "happy" one. But with HBO I'd wager we are going to get a happy ending. That said it doesn't mean there won't be a deviation from how it's headed. If I looked back to everyone's theories from episode 1 of this season to now most of them would be wrong some very wrong, myself included. The writers are going to have to pop something big into this ending and Arya dying to finish her list I think is a bit too convenient.