Danaerys gives the remnants of Jaime's army an offer they can't refuse. How do they react, and what's her next move? Do the Dothraki head for King's Landing, or is it time to regroup? What's eating Varys and Tyrion - misgivings about the use of dragonfire, or the real existential threat approaching the Wall? Did Jaime sink or swim? And why is Cersei so confident?
The episode title suggests a pivot to the North. Should be fun.
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All you guys pining for central character deaths, I feel are going to be sadly disappointed this late in the game. It makes perfect sense early. Build emotion, the want for revenge, ect. but this late? I seriously doubt it.
I agree only because the main material isn't written. I have no doubt GRRM will be killing off several central characters if he ever finishes. The show is a separate entity and I can see the fan favorites staying for a while longer but even then its still likely 1 or 2 will bite the dust. No one is safe in the GoT, we learned that very early on in the series.
All the key points have been laid out. There are not going to be serious deviations. He might throw the book fans a bone and go in a little bit of a different direction in a few areas but Im guessing it's nothing major.
Further, GRRM has said he has drawn from the Lord of the Rings many times and absolutely loved how it ended. I think we are going to see a sappy ending with the Starks coming out mostly on top (minus Arya). When I talk of central characters I am really talking about central protagonists. Of course Cersei, Littlefinger, and a bunch of huge characters are still going to die. I still feel Arya and Jaime are toast. Daenyrys, Jon Snow, Tyrian, and most of the characters we are rooting for will live IMO.
GRRM says a lot of things including Littlefinger being one of if the his most favorite character. You can draw a conclusion there or just chalk it up to him enjoying writing that character with no strings attached.
If the books were done and then ending was laid out already I'm almost certain the ending wouldn't be a "happy" one. But with HBO I'd wager we are going to get a happy ending. That said it doesn't mean there won't be a deviation from how it's headed. If I looked back to everyone's theories from episode 1 of this season to now most of them would be wrong some very wrong, myself included. The writers are going to have to pop something big into this ending and Arya dying to finish her list I think is a bit too convenient.
Dont agree at all. Everything he has said has alluded to a happy ending. He pushed many of the characters to the absolute limit along the way but this was always going to end well in true fantasy epic form. Id bet my life on it.
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There are a lot of dark chapters right now in the book that I’m writing. It is called The Winds of Winter, and I’ve been telling you for 20 years that winter was coming. Winter is the time when things die, and cold and ice and darkness fill the world, so this is not going to be the happy feel-good that people may be hoping for. Some of the characters [are] in very dark places.
In any story, the classic structure is, ‘Things get worse before they get better,’ so things are getting worse for a lot of people.
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All you guys pining for central character deaths, I feel are going to be sadly disappointed this late in the game. It makes perfect sense early. Build emotion, the want for revenge, ect. but this late? I seriously doubt it.
I agree only because the main material isn't written. I have no doubt GRRM will be killing off several central characters if he ever finishes. The show is a separate entity and I can see the fan favorites staying for a while longer but even then its still likely 1 or 2 will bite the dust. No one is safe in the GoT, we learned that very early on in the series.
All the key points have been laid out. There are not going to be serious deviations. He might throw the book fans a bone and go in a little bit of a different direction in a few areas but Im guessing it's nothing major.
Further, GRRM has said he has drawn from the Lord of the Rings many times and absolutely loved how it ended. I think we are going to see a sappy ending with the Starks coming out mostly on top (minus Arya). When I talk of central characters I am really talking about central protagonists. Of course Cersei, Littlefinger, and a bunch of huge characters are still going to die. I still feel Arya and Jaime are toast. Daenyrys, Jon Snow, Tyrian, and most of the characters we are rooting for will live IMO.
Everything you wrote put a tear in my eye except that one mention of ARYA dying. Why do you think that?
Jon meeting Dany for the first time.
Jon going north of the wall again.
Arya rolling back into Winterfell.
All of those scenes would have carried so much more weight with the wolves.
Arya can sword fight and has a list, omg she cray!... or Arya emerges from a pack of a dozen wolves outside the gates of Winterfell?
Makes Jon Snow even more unique, he has Stark blood and can relate with the wolves (don't remember if he ever warged or dreamed like the other Starks) and Targaryen so he relates to the dragons.
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have chosen funding the dragons over the direwolves. But I agree, the direwolves are the more compelling creatures with more interesting storylines. Even in the books the direwolves are far more interesting, IMO.
Makes Jon Snow even more unique, he has Stark blood and can relate with the wolves (don't remember if he ever warged or dreamed like the other Starks) and Targaryen so he relates to the dragons.
I seem to recall episodes in the book where Snow was seeing through Ghosts eyes on a hunt.
1) Martin will probably never finish, so the last two books will basically be amateur fan-fiction by his European ghost writers; and
2) He agreed the ending with the showrunners. They are free to get there by a different path, but the destination is the same.
1) Martin will probably never finish, so the last two books will basically be amateur fan-fiction by his European ghost writers; and
2) He agreed the ending with the showrunners. They are free to get there by a different path, but the destination is the same.
Geez, the second to last book has to be mostly done, no?
At any rate, I view the books as a different experience than the shows. There's a lot of detail to consume and I love it all. I guess it will diminish any of the big reveal major plot points, but those were diminished in reverse as I watched the show knowing about Ned, Joff and the Red Wedding as I went.
If and when he finishes, I will buy and start reading day 1.
So I don't think knowing the show plot will bother me at all.
So I don't think knowing the show plot will bother me at all.
I did something similar - alternated reading book 1, then watching season 1, book 2, season 2, through 3 seasons, which was fun and the stories still tracked reasonably closely. In a strange and pretty cool twist of fate, I read the Red Wedding chapter the weekend the episode aired live during that season, so when all my coworkers were going nuts talking about it, I knew what they were on about and could join in.
Books 4 and 5 really wandered and weren't nearly as compelling to read, especially following the brilliance of Storm of Swords. I slogged through those before turning to the show full time.
At this point, will of course continue reading if/when the book version ever continues, but don't really spend much time worrying about how the story will compare to the show anymore. Almost 2 separate sagas at this point
Jeyne Westerling aka mrs Robb Stark in the books is alive in the books, but not pregnant from what I remember.
Where Arya is gonna get beat is when the chicken comes home to roost. She fucked over the faceless God or sect or whatever. That's gonna come back to her.
Where Arya is gonna get beat is when the chicken comes home to roost. She fucked over the faceless God or sect or whatever. That's gonna come back to her.
Did she? Wasn't the last thing he said to her "a girl is ready"?
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Chris, that was freakin AWESOME!!! LOL
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Chris, that was freakin AWESOME!!! LOL
I've watched it five times. They nailed it.
Holding off on this episode (I've read the episode summaries.) I just don't want to make the wait for the finale that much greater so I should be able to survive a couple more days.
You can see the Ayra/Sansa rivalry early on.
I completely forgot that most of the first EP is devoted to the walkers.
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is nothing spoilerish. It's a fan made trailer tht men of a certain age will appreciate.
Chris, that was freakin AWESOME!!! LOL
I've watched it five times. They nailed it.
Brilliant. Just more evidence that the greatest decade in world history was in fact the 80s.
The leaked Curb is fantastic too. Leon is back. Lol
The leaked Curb is fantastic too. Leon is back. Lol
Saw it too. Absolutely Incredible! I'll leave it at that.
That wins the internet for the day !!!!
The spesrkilled the dragon. The Knight King brought him back to fly with the desd.
It's 100% coming back dead...
It had to happen. Having 3 dragons isn't balanced at all, both wars would be over in a day. They had to do it this way to make things interesting.