Personally, I hate this dink and dunk, screen centric offense that Mcadoo runs. I get that it was done to "help Eli" eliminate INT's but when this offense was implemented ELi didnt have any receivers. Cruz was never the same after 2013, Beckham has been great, but there hasnt been anyone else to throw to. Because of that I undertsood the check down offense.
Now with a lot of weapons both at receiver and TE I think the Giants can afford to lose some of the checkdown garbage and get back to throwing the ball down the field. Beckham, Marshall, Shepard, and Engram are the 4 guys I want to see with the ball in their hands on a consistent basis. I lost my mind last year when Bobby Rainey would have more touches then all TE combined or all receivers not named Beckham. If we're throwing it, lets throw to a WR, not a RB.
If we can do this, the running game will simultaneoulsy come back to life. The short passing offense allows defenders to play closer to the line , once the offense makes them back off the line there will be more room to run and more time to get to blocking assignments.
The one thing this does cut into though is the amount of passing plays designed for a RB - Vereen. If the Giants open up the offense does his role get minimized or even eliminated?
With all these weapons why am i only reading about checkdowns in practice, why did i only see a short passing offense vs the steelers? --I get that Johnson isnt eli and the receiver didnt play but i didnt see anything that said we may be trying to push the ball down field more.
Thoughts?
That, and the OL has to give the play enough time to develop and not give up sacks to rookie defensive ends when playing your starters up front.
We do have to run the ball better, which should open up play-action, and should lead to some longer throws.
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We also supplement the running game with the short pass, which theoretically opens up the run.
I think we'll score more points this year, but we don't need a complete change of philosophy.
NE is a dink and dunk team. Go look at the Colts to see what happens when you run a lot of 7 step drops with a poor O line.. Your QB gets killed.
We don't seem to attack the end zone enough.
I like what I'm seeing with his personnel packages already tough. He's gone from only using Shotgun 11 personnel to lining up quite a bit under C in a double TE formation and even 22 personnel. He kept scraping Engram across the formation - away from the zone stretch. PERFECT way to use him - he either traps the NT if it's a run or keeps going into the flat if it's a pass. Puts the WLB in an impossible bind as it's his play to make on the stretch but Engram's also his man going the other way if it's play action.
And of course the RBs much QB under C so they can get a running start and see the defense better before taking the hand-off.
I'm more of a fan of a big powerful O'line that implements it's will on defenders and I think Eli is better when given time to work through reads, trust his protection & establish a rhythm, but the Oline just isn't there and hasn't been for a long time.
2) increased time of possession keeps scores low -- good with our defense
3) long TOP tires defenses, which helps at the end of close games
Dink/dunk is bad because:
4) it relies on making 1st downs repeatedly, which isn't easy
5) for the O-line, pass protection is more tiring than run blocking
6) the more you throw, the more likelihood of fumbles, INTs and stalled drives
Deep-ball is good because:
7) it demoralizes defenses
8) it tires out d-backs
9) it moves the ball in big chunks
10) interceptions often yield similar field position as punts
11) it's more fun for most fans
Conclusion?
12) actually, most good teams run the ball well
13) which makes everything easier
You really want to see an immobile aging QB take 7 step drops behind this OL?
5 and 7 step passing concepts like the old system would get him killed.
5 and 7 step passing concepts like the old system would get him killed.
This. The Giants don't have the OL to go PA or deep routes consistently.
The commitment to go in this direction was made the minute Ben McAdoo was hired as an offensive coordinator and reinforced when he was promoted in favor of Tom Coughlin.
We are a finesse passing offense now. The good news is that many teams have succeeded in the NFL with this style, including at a Championship level.
The bad news is that this style of offense doesn't sit well with many old time Giants fans.
Gman11 -
"can not be a staple of your offense. It's too high risk. If you're going to bomb away then you are going to see more turnovers.
I in no way want to play chuck and pray deep ball offense, i just want them to throw the ball more then 4 yards past the line of scrimmage.
CT Charlie :
1) with our O-line, we're more likely to get 5 yards passing than running -
2) increased time of possession keeps scores low -- good with our defense - the giants have not been able to maintain drives, the avg T.O.P was 2:21 last year, good for 24th in the nfl.
3) long TOP tires defenses, which helps at the end of close games
yes to (1), but if the only method of gaining yards is by short pass the defenses come up and make life very difficult, its what the eagles have done to us over the last several years, they stack the box, blitz, and defend the short pass and run away with the game.
id like to add that with the addition of ellison's in-line blocking they should, in theory, have more for a play to develop. doesnt have to be far down field, just throw the damn ball past the flats.
Thank you all.
Better opponents we face will simply sit in a big dime defense all day long and keep everything in front of them.