The cross town rivals go out for 4 games. Starting tonight at Yankee Stadium. The Mets are looking to play spoiler while the Yankees are looking to solidify their playoff chances. With Montero pitching tonight, I think the Mets should just forfeit the game and give it to the Yankees and save the hits for tomorrow.
Many other storylines to watch. Judge vs. Conforto and the battle for who is the best young player in NY. Right now Judge is ice cold while Conforto is red hot. Also, the Mets will have Rosario and Smith get their first taste of the Subway series. Finally, does Chapman turn it around after a rough outing (really one pitch) last night.
I was thinking, when is it time to retire the Judge's chambers. I think it is clear now the Yankees should not have started this as soon as they did. Judge may still be a great player, but this was unneeded pressure to put on him.
Garcia vs. Lugo in game three is no big advantage one way or another.
Severino vs. Matz in game four is advantage Yankees on paper, but Matz is certainly capable.
If anyone's expecting the Yanks to steamroll this week, you might be disappointed.
LOL, just kidding (only kidding about Conforto and Judge, not about losing) but some of you take this stuff too seriously, Mets and Yankees aren't rivals other than in the hearts and minds of insecure fans.
The only advantage I see is in the Yanks training staff. yes that is a joke.
Whiffle Ball Tourney!
5 HR in 8 games is pretty hot to me.
2. Asdrubal Cabrera (S) 2B .261/.331/.399, -0.3 fWAR
3. Yoenis Cespedes (R) LF .275/.324/.512, 0.9 fWAR
4. Michael Conforto (L) RF .285/.392/.576, 3.5 fWAR
5. Wilmer Flores (R) 3B .287/.319/.502, 1.1 fWAR
6. Dominic Smith (L) 1B .200/.200/.200, -0.1 fWAR
7. Amed Rosario (R) SS .256/.275/.462, 0.1 fWAR
8. Rene Rivera (R) CA .234/.283/.383, 0.4 fWAR
9. Juan Lagares (R) CF .266/.314/.404, 0.9 fWAR
Rafael Montero (R): (62.1 IP, 5.63 ERA, -0.7 RA-9 WAR)
vs.
Luis Cessa (R)
1. Brett Gardner (L) LF .251/.346/.436, 2.3 fWAR
2. Aaron Hicks (S) CF .280/.387/.505, 2.7 fWAR
3. Aaron Judge (R) RF .289/.419/.603, 5.9 fWAR
4. Didi Gregorius (L) DH .309/.332/.505, 3.5 fWAR
5. Gary Sanchez (R) CA .269/.348/.500, 2.5 fWAR
6. Chase Headley (S) 1B .272/.352/.402, 1.7 fWAR
7. Todd Frazier (R) 3B .227/.352/.360, 1.3 fWAR
8. Ronald Torreyes (R) 2B .285/.306/.366, 0.5 fWAR
9. Tyler Wade (L) SS .128/.212/.213, -0.5 fWAR
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He has been consistent all year but his OPS is currently at one of his lowest points in a while.
5 HR in 8 games is pretty hot to me.
I mentioned his OPS which at times has been higher than it is currently. Yes, he's hit a few HR recently which is nice. I wouldn't really say he's on fire, however.
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He has been consistent all year but his OPS is currently at one of his lowest points in a while.
5 HR in 8 games is pretty hot to me.
That's any series in that crappy Phillies bandbox.
Cabrera had a very weak single but yeah 3 Ks for Cessa
One more game and he ties Dunn's all time record.
It was close, but no denying that he gets that called a strike against him FAR more than the average major leaguer.
Fuckin madness.
Fuckin madness.
I just don't understand some fans. Can't wait to play all the prospects. Can't wait to call a kid the next face of the league, but all it takes a one bad slump before he gets angrily tossed out with the trash.
I really hate how they call that striking out the side.
Striking out the side should be you k 3 batters in a row. Now walks,hits or errors.
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Nice.
I really hate how they call that striking out the side.
Striking out the side should be you k 3 batters in a row. Now walks,hits or errors.
I tend to agree, but I hear that often enough to say it.
Fuckin madness.
JFC, no wonder this world is fucked up. I was responding to somebody posting that Chapman shouldn't close any more because he is struggling and said that they should send Judge down til he gets his swing straightened out, also.
Sorry my sarcasm was not readily apparent to the unwashed masses. It's not like sarcasm is foreign or new to my posts.
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Judge needs to get sent down and /or put on the "DL".
Fuckin madness.
JFC, no wonder this world is fucked up. I was responding to somebody posting that Chapman shouldn't close any more because he is struggling and said that they should send Judge down til he gets his swing straightened out, also.
Sorry my sarcasm was not readily apparent to the unwashed masses. It's not like sarcasm is foreign or new to my posts.
You're usually so serious 'bout Yanks, I'm not surprised people took that comment so seriously...
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Judge needs to get sent down and /or put on the "DL".
Fuckin madness.
JFC, no wonder this world is fucked up. I was responding to somebody posting that Chapman shouldn't close any more because he is struggling and said that they should send Judge down til he gets his swing straightened out, also.
Sorry my sarcasm was not readily apparent to the unwashed masses. It's not like sarcasm is foreign or new to my posts.
You're usually so serious 'bout Yanks, I'm not surprised people took that comment so seriously...
I am serious that is exactly why I wrote it.
Don't freak out. Don't freak out.
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Curtis Granders at Yankee Stadium as a Met:
8 games
11-28 (.393)
5 HR
Good stuff, but completely incapable of getting through 4-6 innings without several mistakes that get hit 350-450 feet. He missed the spot on the Cespedes HR as badly as humanly possible.
LOL, easy tiger... I've seen enough of Montero to know this won't last.
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Judge needs to get sent down and /or put on the "DL".
Fuckin madness.
JFC, no wonder this world is fucked up. I was responding to somebody posting that Chapman shouldn't close any more because he is struggling and said that they should send Judge down til he gets his swing straightened out, also.
Sorry my sarcasm was not readily apparent to the unwashed masses. It's not like sarcasm is foreign or new to my posts.
The world is fucked up because your post sucked and still no one understands it? Ok drama queen.
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Knew that was gonna fuckinv happen the Yankees will get swept mark it down
LOL, easy tiger... I've seen enough of Montero to know this won't last.
You see some of the pitchers the Yankees have been losing to lately?
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Knew that was gonna fuckinv happen the Yankees will get swept mark it down
LOL, easy tiger... I've seen enough of Montero to know this won't last.
You see some of the pitchers the Yankees have been losing to lately?
Fucking Estrada
Well, that was true BEFORE the trade.
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Knew that was gonna fuckinv happen the Yankees will get swept mark it down
LOL, easy tiger... I've seen enough of Montero to know this won't last.
You see some of the pitchers the Yankees have been losing to lately?
It's kind of like the unstoppable force vs. the immovable object.
Yup...
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Knew that was gonna fuckinv happen the Yankees will get swept mark it down
LOL, easy tiger... I've seen enough of Montero to know this won't last.
Yea just like Anibal Sanchez Jordan Zimmerman, Trevor Bauer. Marco Estrada wouldn't last
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Knew that was gonna fuckinv happen the Yankees will get swept mark it down
LOL, easy tiger... I've seen enough of Montero to know this won't last.
Yea just like Anibal Sanchez Jordan Zimmerman, Trevor Bauer. Marco Estrada wouldn't last
Fuck these umps and their pinched-nerve-having necks.
I like that idea. Bat him second and Hicks third? I wouldn't mind that.
I can't imagine they're disappointed in his outing thus far, and if they are, they shouldn't have him starting anyway.
Pulling him?
Had some arm/neck pain
The tag wasn't immediate.
that was a sink hole he left in the grass.
The tag wasn't immediate.
I though he was safe and I'm very surprised the Mets didn't challenge.
The ball beat him by a year but it was a nice slide and not a real good tag.
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HR
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Wtf? That ball was 20 rows deep, lol.
Granderson's was a cheapo too.
In any event, hell of a nice start from Montero.
With that smooth easy delivery, I was just thinking the same way. It might be sacrilege, but he does remind me of Mariano. No if he can get a breaking ball or change up.
probably, but Harvey and Thor are officially rehabbing, so who knows, but I think they need to run Montero out there every 5 days and see if he can be counted on for next year.
Hahaha
Yes, he's absolutely earned that spot, maybe til Florial starts knocking in a couple of years. Frazier-Hicks-Judge sounds pretty damn good, as much as I respect Gardy.
I think he and Sandy have a great future as clowns as children's birthday parties
In any event, hell of a nice start from Montero.
What the hell do you mean you take it back? You didn't need a measuring tape to realize that it wasn't a cheapo home run. The ball was more than a few rows back in the stands in right center, under no circumstance is that a cheap home run. You just seem to enjoy saying dumb shit on baseball threads for whatever reason.
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Looked like Judge got under it.
In any event, hell of a nice start from Montero.
What the hell do you mean you take it back? You didn't need a measuring tape to realize that it wasn't a cheapo home run. The ball was more than a few rows back in the stands in right center, under no circumstance is that a cheap home run. You just seem to enjoy saying dumb shit on baseball threads for whatever reason.
It's Baghdad Z, man, laughable commentary is what he does.
*bows*
I actually switched to Matthew Berry's 800 hour fantasy football special as soon as I saw him on the mound. Sounds like he delivered as usual!
The good news is that losing games like this stopped being frustrating about 50 games ago so we might as well just keep on losin'.
Is he seriously a top prospect? I'm not trying to bash the Mets here but... he looks more like a dude playing beer league (in appearance only!) than a young up and comer. Does not pass the eye test that's for sure. Not like it matters, he might be a great player anyway but I was taken aback when I first saw him. I'd say he looks roughly 37 years old.
Smith is never going to have the same body as Cespedes but it's not going to matter. He's not an elite prospect but some of the weight stuff is getting overblown. He's a 1B. I don't think anyone is expecting him to turn into Goldschmidt but he's a solid prospect.
Smith is never going to have the same body as Cespedes but it's not going to matter. He's not an elite prospect but some of the weight stuff is getting overblown. He's a 1B. I don't think anyone is expecting him to turn into Goldschmidt but he's a solid prospect.
Couldn't care less how he looks, but it is pretty funny to see him listed at 185 lbs
and he's a decent fielder.
His power also picked up this year as people expected it would as he matured.
He's a legit bona fide prospect.
he will need to keep his weight in check as he approaches his mid-20's and he's not beating out any infield hits, but his weight is fine for 1B.
he's more of a Mo Vaughn/Prince Fielder type than a Cody Bellinger, but should still thrive.
What happened to the perfect team?
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It's Greg and Mook trying to muscle up and attack me on a Yankees/Mets thread. Who would have seen that coming? Fucking losers.
What happened to the perfect team?
LOL. The one that I said that was perfectly built in the WS two whole years ago?? The one that was you know... making the WS? Get over yourself. You are beyond boring. Keyboard warrior with your goon squad sister. I said nothing antagonistic and I even took my comment back when I learned how far the ball was hit almost an hour before you two clowns felt the need to chime in and attack. I just assume anything hit into that right field shallow porch is a cheapo due to that tin can you play in. Apologies.
2) Ironically, the pitch he hit for a HR was lower and outside. Was this the adjustment mentioned above?
3) The weird thing is that he seems to be getting called out a lot on strikes at the knees. But, I saw a graphic yesterday looking at called strikes on Judge in the first half and the second half, claiming pitchers made adjustments. The 2 images shows a lot of low strikes called in the first half and a ton of high strikes against him in the second half. It sure seems to be the opposite.
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Did Lagares got his hand on the bag before the tag?
The tag wasn't immediate.
I though he was safe and I'm very surprised the Mets didn't challenge.
The ball beat him by a year but it was a nice slide and not a real good tag.
2) Ironically, the pitch he hit for a HR was lower and outside. Was this the adjustment mentioned above?
3) The weird thing is that he seems to be getting called out a lot on strikes at the knees. But, I saw a graphic yesterday looking at called strikes on Judge in the first half and the second half, claiming pitchers made adjustments. The 2 images shows a lot of low strikes called in the first half and a ton of high strikes against him in the second half. It sure seems to be the opposite.
Not just an issue when Judge is in the box but certainly more regularly an issue - it's above the knee, not at or below it. I'd guess he has about 15-20 K's this season on pitches that are not technically strikes.
Saw it on the SNY telecast. Must have been a mistake. No big deal
I actually weigh 185-190 so it's pretty funny that SNY had Smith listed as that. Smith is literally like.. two of me. He's a big boy.
I always listen to the SNY telecast when the Yankees play the Mets. Yankees telecast has improved but your crew is the best going. Really good insight
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It's Greg and Mook trying to muscle up and attack me on a Yankees/Mets thread. Who would have seen that coming? Fucking losers.
What happened to the perfect team?
LOL. The one that I said that was perfectly built in the WS two whole years ago?? The one that was you know... making the WS? Get over yourself. You are beyond boring. Keyboard warrior with your goon squad sister. I said nothing antagonistic and I even took my comment back when I learned how far the ball was hit almost an hour before you two clowns felt the need to chime in and attack. I just assume anything hit into that right field shallow porch is a cheapo due to that tin can you play in. Apologies.
Z...love your work on the GOT threads, but come on man - you said Judges HR was cheap at first when it was a lot further than Grandy and Cespedes hit, you have to be ready to get flamed by some Yankee fans
Not trying to pile on, just grow some thick skin man that's all
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It's Greg and Mook trying to muscle up and attack me on a Yankees/Mets thread. Who would have seen that coming? Fucking losers.
What happened to the perfect team?
LOL. The one that I said that was perfectly built in the WS two whole years ago?? The one that was you know... making the WS? Get over yourself. You are beyond boring. Keyboard warrior with your goon squad sister. I said nothing antagonistic and I even took my comment back when I learned how far the ball was hit almost an hour before you two clowns felt the need to chime in and attack. I just assume anything hit into that right field shallow porch is a cheapo due to that tin can you play in. Apologies.
Z...love your work on the GOT threads, but come on man - you said Judges HR was cheap at first when it was a lot further than Grandy and Cespedes hit, you have to be ready to get flamed by some Yankee fans
Not trying to pile on, just grow some thick skin man that's all
Yeah and I immediately took it back and said I was wrong. Is it really necessary to attack not only the post, but the poster like a couple of children a full hour after the fact? If it wasn't the same two posters every single year in Mets/Yankees threads Im sure I would have had no issue but its tiresome. I certainly wasn't attacking anyone or provoking.
Didi-Sanchez
Severino
Those are 6 bonafides that are young and will be around for the long term. Then you can factor in the next tier pipeline that has yet to come up...Torres, Adams, Sheffield, Andujar, Florial. Exciting times as the Yankees are built for long term success.
I never saw Conforto before and honestly, I think the right debate for him will be Conforto vs Clint Frazier in two years as Judge is a unique player whose historical comparators are Kingman, Killebrew, Strawberry, Dunn, Winfield, Frank Thomas...some mix of big strikeout power hitters and guys with huge strike zones and long armed mechanics that can easily slide away the 3 inches they need
I don't follow the Mets at all ( they are in a different league) so I have no idea whatsoever what their next 5 years might look like. I was hoping to get a sense of that from the posts during the annual home and home series
It's exciting times to be a Yankee fan as the turnaround was fairly quick from the aging run that is just about over(CC looks to be the last of that group) and onto the youth movement that is showing signs of long term sustainability. The Yankees can essentially field a team of position players with all young high upside players. With the right decisions and growth, the Yankees could have another dynasty coming.
I never saw Conforto before and honestly, I think the right debate for him will be Conforto vs Clint Frazier in two years as Judge is a unique player whose historical comparators are Kingman, Killebrew, Strawberry, Dunn, Winfield, Frank Thomas...some mix of big strikeout power hitters and guys with huge strike zones and long armed mechanics that can easily slide away the 3 inches they need
I don't follow the Mets at all ( they are in a different league) so I have no idea whatsoever what their next 5 years might look like. I was hoping to get a sense of that from the posts during the annual home and home series
This is what kills me about some of you guys. You "never saw Conforto before" but you have no problem comparing him to Clint Frazier. Frazier...I guy who has sucked since being called up and can't touch Conforto's numbers in the minors. Really? It's a laughable statement. Someone even said that his ceiling already was Adam Jones...a player that Conforto is already better than. At least Conforto has a track record of performing the way he has been this year...which has been outstanding.
Yet with Judge, after a third of a season of being hot, you have not problem comparing him with the likes of HOF players and project him to have a HOF career. Completely discounting that Judge was awful when he was called up last season and his numbers in the minors don't even come close to what he DID for a third of a season.
I have no doubt that Judge will be a beast. Not the beast he was the first third of the season, but a good player for a long time. So will Conforto. He won't have the glamour of the 500 foot HRs that Judge does, but he will hit plenty of HRs. And he's a year younger than Judge.
Probably will be a bloodbath. Unfortunate...because it doesn't have to be. But some here actually believe they play for the team.
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That's the actual debate. Not Judge vs Conforto.
I never saw Conforto before and honestly, I think the right debate for him will be Conforto vs Clint Frazier in two years as Judge is a unique player whose historical comparators are Kingman, Killebrew, Strawberry, Dunn, Winfield, Frank Thomas...some mix of big strikeout power hitters and guys with huge strike zones and long armed mechanics that can easily slide away the 3 inches they need
I don't follow the Mets at all ( they are in a different league) so I have no idea whatsoever what their next 5 years might look like. I was hoping to get a sense of that from the posts during the annual home and home series
This is what kills me about some of you guys. You "never saw Conforto before" but you have no problem comparing him to Clint Frazier. Frazier...I guy who has sucked since being called up and can't touch Conforto's numbers in the minors. Really? It's a laughable statement. Someone even said that his ceiling already was Adam Jones...a player that Conforto is already better than. At least Conforto has a track record of performing the way he has been this year...which has been outstanding.
Yet with Judge, after a third of a season of being hot, you have not problem comparing him with the likes of HOF players and project him to have a HOF career. Completely discounting that Judge was awful when he was called up last season and his numbers in the minors don't even come close to what he DID for a third of a season.
I have no doubt that Judge will be a beast. Not the beast he was the first third of the season, but a good player for a long time. So will Conforto. He won't have the glamour of the 500 foot HRs that Judge does, but he will hit plenty of HRs. And he's a year younger than Judge.
Frazier ceiling adam jones??
No your wrong.
Our A ball CF Estevan Florial compares to Adam Jones. Not Clint Frazier.
Not sure who to compare Frazier too... maybe Gary Sheffield?
Yeah, his numbers are fantastic.
Was "sucked" a little hard? Maybe. How about not great. Considering how you rate your prospects, that might be harsh too. That bat speed tho...
Judge is an outlier to almost all but a few similar players
A better comparison is Conforto vs Clint Frazier
Which I assume, but neither of us knows yet, is likely to favor Conforto given his track record so far
Take care. Over and Out
Beautiful hypocrisy. Never change.
With two wild cards, that pretty much puts you in the playoff race.
Frazier ceiling adam jones??
No your wrong.
Our A ball CF Estevan Florial compares to Adam Jones. Not Clint Frazier.
Not sure who to compare Frazier too... maybe Gary Sheffield?
That might have been confusing how I wrote that. I meant to say that a yankee fan used Adam Jones as the ceiling for Michael Conforto. Which is laughable since Conforto has already outproduced Jones. Who knows with Frazier.
Not sure there's anything to suggest that comparison.
Well they made the playoffs back to back years and went to the world series 2 years ago. Not a huge stretch to think they'll contend again next year if a few guys bounce back and/or they have some better luck with injuries.
Beautiful hypocrisy. Never change.
Not sure what you are saying here. Are you assuming again that I don't watch Judge? I actually watch a lot of Yankee games but you are really good at assuming and then crying that a little girl.
Hypocrisy. Right. Couldn't care less about Conforto and then spend your entire game thread talking about him. Should you be in day camp right now?
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for not watching Met games and not knowing about their players when commenting on them.
Beautiful hypocrisy. Never change.
Not sure what you are saying here. Are you assuming again that I don't watch Judge? I actually watch a lot of Yankee games but you are really good at assuming and then crying that a little girl.
Hypocrisy. Right. Couldn't care less about Conforto and then spend your entire game thread talking about him. Should you be in day camp right now?
Was talking about Frazier, not Judge. Try to keep up.
I didn't make one comment about Conforto last night. Could careless about him. Try again. I think most of the game thread was spent talking about the Yankees win. Damn, that complex is brutal.
Judge is an outlier to almost all but a few similar players
A better comparison is Conforto vs Clint Frazier
Which I assume, but neither of us knows yet, is likely to favor Conforto given his track record so far
Take care. Over and Out
So Judge is an outlier, why? Because he's the only player to get hot for 60 games? Because he's a big\guy?
Conforto/Frazier isn't a better comp because Frazier hasn't done anything in the pros yet and has inferior numbers in the minors.
You said you have never even seen Conforto before. What is your basis for the comparison? Body size?
No offense.
Again, there is no reason for me to follow the Rockies, the Diamondbacks, or the Mets. I know they are in the same city but other than surface sense I don't watch or follow them. Don't hate them. Don't make fun of them. Don't have time so I don't know them. Or the Jets. Or the Islanders. Or the Nets. Or the Devils. No insult. Just not teams I follow
I generally understand they are a few years from very successful, more successful than the Yanks for some number of years. I generally know there have been some bad luck with injuries.
Other than then that, what is the general potential for them to return over the next five years?
You are possibly one of the biggest dickhead Yankee fans I've ever known. Keeping the stereotype strong. Carry on.
Why would I engage with you on this thread Phil?
Where is the value add? Or the enjoyment?
Which is fine - he's a 22 year old getting his first taste of the majors. He hasn't "sucked" - he's been okay.
I don't expect Rosario to do much better in his first 30 games. But I do think he has star potential just like Frazier does. These kids are young. It takes time.
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He said Frazier has sucked since being called up. All you need to know about him.
You are possibly one of the biggest dickhead Yankee fans I've ever known. Keeping the stereotype strong. Carry on.
So gotten to. Why? Because you made an inaccurate comment and got called out on it.
You are possibly the most insecure Mets fan I've ever known. It's a truly awesome thing to behold every single year these games come around. You're a baby.
Why would I engage with you on this thread Phil?
Where is the value add? Or the enjoyment?
You wouldn't or shouldn't. Mets fans are really angry for some reason.
Which is fine - he's a 22 year old getting his first taste of the majors. He hasn't "sucked" - he's been okay.
I don't expect Rosario to do much better in his first 30 games. But I do think he has star potential just like Frazier does. These kids are young. It takes time.
As far as production goes, sure, but he clearly has the goods. His bat speed and power are def MLB caliber and top notch. He's young, you hope the production will come with experience and pitch recognition.
I generally understand they are a few years from very successful, more successful than the Yanks for some number of years. I generally know there have been some bad luck with injuries.
Other than then that, what is the general potential for them to return over the next five years?
It's a pretty volatile situation so I think the 2018 Mets probably have one of the widest range of outcomes in MLB. I know that sounds like a cop-out, but I'm not sure how else to put it.
Dan's right that the farm system doesn't look great at the moment, but there still will be a lot of nice under 30 talent on the MLB roster next year.
The 5 year prognosis will really depend on how guys like Syndergaard, DeGrom, Matz (pitchers who were really good in parts of 2015-2016 and during the 2015 playoff run), and Conforto, Cespedes, Rosario, Smith (controlled bats) look. IMO, the rest of 2017 is primarily about seeing how these guys finish, as well as some secondary players (Flores, Nimmo, Lagares, the bullpen).
Why would I engage with you on this thread Phil?
Where is the value add? Or the enjoyment?
Sorry Bill, wasn't trying to be obnoxious with you. There's other Yankee fans that get off on this shit.
I just disagree with the Conforto/Frazier comp. Don't think there's a basis for it. Doesn't mean it can't become one. But Frazier doesn't have the track record that Conforto has. That's all. Conforto and Judge may turn out to be very different players also.
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He said Frazier has sucked since being called up. All you need to know about him.
You are possibly one of the biggest dickhead Yankee fans I've ever known. Keeping the stereotype strong. Carry on.
So gotten to. Why? Because you made an inaccurate comment and got called out on it.
You are possibly the most insecure Mets fan I've ever known. It's a truly awesome thing to behold every single year these games come around. You're a baby.
I didn't get called out on shit. I'm a baby but you are the one who cries about player comparisons and derails a thread because you love Judge and heaven forbid any Mets fans compare any Met player to a Yankee player. Okay. Get over yourself.
Whatever Keith, typical Yankee fans too I guess. Sorry if dealing with one dick Yankee fan came through on other posts. But pile on, I guess.
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He said Frazier has sucked since being called up. All you need to know about him.
You are possibly one of the biggest dickhead Yankee fans I've ever known. Keeping the stereotype strong. Carry on.
So gotten to. Why? Because you made an inaccurate comment and got called out on it.
You are possibly the most insecure Mets fan I've ever known. It's a truly awesome thing to behold every single year these games come around. You're a baby.
I didn't get called out on shit. I'm a baby but you are the one who cries about player comparisons and derails a thread because you love Judge and heaven forbid any Mets fans compare any Met player to a Yankee player. Okay. Get over yourself.
Yeah, you did. Weak attempt to try to cover it up. The game thread last night went just fine without you posting in it. You post this morning and the thread goes to shit. Not a coincidence. You seem extremely ass-hurt that Aaron Judge even exists. I think he haunts you in your dreams.
Can't Conforto, Judge, Frazier, et al. all have exciting futures?
It's baseball. I think people forget sometimes that it's just a fucking game.
Can't Conforto, Judge, Frazier, et al. all have exciting futures?
It's baseball. I think people forget sometimes that it's just a fucking game.
Judge and Frazier certainly can. Conforto will also in about 3-4 years when he's on the Yankees.
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I don't know why people take this stuff so personally or get all bent out of shape about it.
Can't Conforto, Judge, Frazier, et al. all have exciting futures?
It's baseball. I think people forget sometimes that it's just a fucking game.
Judge and Frazier certainly can. Conforto will also in about 3-4 years when he's on the Yankees.
Forget Conforto, I've got my eye on the next player we let go of that becomes Justin Turner or Daniel Murphy v2.0... maybe Neil Walker will go elsewhere and suddenly become a .300 hitter with 35 HR power.
Being a Mets fan is the best. I love every second of it.
They should rename the Subway Series to the Snowflake Series.
You do understand that you've created all of this animosity right? There was a perfectly fine conversation about Judge/Conforto the other day until you felt the need to add your condescending remarks. Not once but twice, presumably because you didn't get your rocks off the first time. Not sure why you feel the need to be a dick just for the sake of being a dick, but there's no need for it. My apologies to other Yankee fans if my frustration came through on other posts. Certainly not my intention. There really isn't a reason why we can't have a cordial conversation. And I guess I'll just leave it at that.
Metnut, thank you. Your gave me names to watch for and of course your assessment of a wide range of outcomes rings true for all fans and always
Phil, just as Metnut said a wide range of outcomes is possible for the Mets and its not a cop out to say that...my instinct is the same for Judge.
We do not have a lot of examples of players that heavy or tall who can keep their timing and mechanics when all the levers are large and the plate remains the same and the ball is thrown at 82-102mph.
One injury or the wear and tear of position play and the challenge of getting 280 pounds of man to swing a I.5 inch wide bat through a 17 by 30 inch zone in milliseconds can be a struggle.
Do I have hope he learns to hit 300plus with a 400plus OBP and does so by settling for less homers and therefore lasts 12 years. Yes.
But I can find very few comparisons.
Conforto and Frazier ( while they have vastly different track records so far) or Conforto and Bird are to me better comparisons not on results but on likelihood of being 10 year plus players of some sort.
Based on the data so far ( and I had not seen Conforto until last night) I would guess Conforto wins those projections.
We would both agree that at their absolute full potential and after a few years of results, Conforto and Judge are likely very different and tremendous players. I doubt Judge can play the field ten years like Conforto can and play with distinction...that's just one example. At their best potential I doubt Conforto is a 45HR/425OPB DH
Anyway, like all fans and fan discussions we will have to wait and see.
take care guys. thanks
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was correcting you on saying "Frazier has sucked." And you're the same guy who's been railing on Yankee fans for talking about Conforto without watching him. Hypocrisy.
You do understand that you've created all of this animosity right? There was a perfectly fine conversation about Judge/Conforto the other day until you felt the need to add your condescending remarks. Not once but twice, presumably because you didn't get your rocks off the first time. Not sure why you feel the need to be a dick just for the sake of being a dick, but there's no need for it. My apologies to other Yankee fans if my frustration came through on other posts. Certainly not my intention. There really isn't a reason why we can't have a cordial conversation. And I guess I'll just leave it at that.
True or False.
You have an older brother thats a Yankees fan and he's always rubbed it in your face when the Yankees were winning and the Mets weren't? Then he physically beat you up until you told on him?
Believe it or not, I think the Knicks are fucking worse.
At least the Mets have fielded a good team recently and won a couple playoff series'... the problem with a team like the Mets is that they're just never set up to compete long-term because they're poorly run. So, you get these blips on the radar and chances to win.. 99, 00, 06, 15.. but if you don't, you're probably not getting another shot at it the next year.
So.. yeah! It sucks!
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was correcting you on saying "Frazier has sucked." And you're the same guy who's been railing on Yankee fans for talking about Conforto without watching him. Hypocrisy.
You do understand that you've created all of this animosity right? There was a perfectly fine conversation about Judge/Conforto the other day until you felt the need to add your condescending remarks. Not once but twice, presumably because you didn't get your rocks off the first time. Not sure why you feel the need to be a dick just for the sake of being a dick, but there's no need for it. My apologies to other Yankee fans if my frustration came through on other posts. Certainly not my intention. There really isn't a reason why we can't have a cordial conversation. And I guess I'll just leave it at that.
I have? Not the same guy who liters these threads all the time with "Typical Yankee fan" and not just to me, but alot of other fans on here, as well.
Nice deflection.
Check out the game thread last night. The lead changed multiple times last night and I didn't get into it with anyone, neither did anyone else. And you weren't there. Just saying. *shrug*
The Giants really can't get here soon enough. Between NYG and the Rangers, I should have a much more enjoyable Fall/Winter in the sports world.
The only bonus to the Mets sucking is that I can go to a game and sit a couple rows off the field for like < $100 and enjoy all of the amenities without giving a shit whether the team wins or loses.
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was correcting you on saying "Frazier has sucked." And you're the same guy who's been railing on Yankee fans for talking about Conforto without watching him. Hypocrisy.
You do understand that you've created all of this animosity right? There was a perfectly fine conversation about Judge/Conforto the other day until you felt the need to add your condescending remarks. Not once but twice, presumably because you didn't get your rocks off the first time. Not sure why you feel the need to be a dick just for the sake of being a dick, but there's no need for it. My apologies to other Yankee fans if my frustration came through on other posts. Certainly not my intention. There really isn't a reason why we can't have a cordial conversation. And I guess I'll just leave it at that.
I have? Not the same guy who liters these threads all the time with "Typical Yankee fan" and not just to me, but alot of other fans on here, as well.
Nice deflection.
Check out the game thread last night. The lead changed multiple times last night and I didn't get into it with anyone, neither did anyone else. And you weren't there. Just saying. *shrug*
Not a deflection, it's the truth. Look at the thread. It's funny, I don't seem to have an issue with anyone else. But if you are going to act like a dick, I'm probably going to react. Anyway, trying to squash it because it's nonsensical. No reason we can't have a normal discussion.
Picture this guy (aka Baghdad Bob) in a Mets hat and jersey. This is how Greg in Li views ZGiants Mets fandom.
ZG has a tendency to be more optimistic than some.
I add this by way of explanation only, not endorsement, though ZG and I have disagreements from time to time (often), I do not support his abuse or derogatory treatment by other teams fans.
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In comment 13561038 Dave in Hoboken said:
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was correcting you on saying "Frazier has sucked." And you're the same guy who's been railing on Yankee fans for talking about Conforto without watching him. Hypocrisy.
You do understand that you've created all of this animosity right? There was a perfectly fine conversation about Judge/Conforto the other day until you felt the need to add your condescending remarks. Not once but twice, presumably because you didn't get your rocks off the first time. Not sure why you feel the need to be a dick just for the sake of being a dick, but there's no need for it. My apologies to other Yankee fans if my frustration came through on other posts. Certainly not my intention. There really isn't a reason why we can't have a cordial conversation. And I guess I'll just leave it at that.
I have? Not the same guy who liters these threads all the time with "Typical Yankee fan" and not just to me, but alot of other fans on here, as well.
Nice deflection.
Check out the game thread last night. The lead changed multiple times last night and I didn't get into it with anyone, neither did anyone else. And you weren't there. Just saying. *shrug*
Not a deflection, it's the truth. Look at the thread. It's funny, I don't seem to have an issue with anyone else. But if you are going to act like a dick, I'm probably going to react. Anyway, trying to squash it because it's nonsensical. No reason we can't have a normal discussion.
So you didn't have an issue with me? You must just be a huge asshole if that's how you treat people you don't have an issue with...
So you didn't have an issue with me? You must just be a huge asshole if that's how you treat people you don't have an issue with...
Lol, yeah well this was a completely predictable post. Funny since you were the one to come at me slinging. Ya know, glass houses and all.
Anyway, I tried. Please carry on if it's that important to you.
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So you didn't have an issue with me? You must just be a huge asshole if that's how you treat people you don't have an issue with...
Lol, yeah well this was a completely predictable post. Funny since you were the one to come at me slinging. Ya know, glass houses and all.
Anyway, I tried. Please carry on if it's that important to you.
You're really very talented. You managed to fit so much patronizing idiocy into five sentences.