NFT: Mets vs. Yankees: AKA Judge vs. Conforto

In comment 13560515 bigbluehoya said:

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The fences in when the Yanks are at bat.

Hahaha

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but Hicks just might be the real deal. Should be the starting CF next season

like wants to own this OF.

In comment 13560547 Kyle in NY said:

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but Hicks just might be the real deal. Should be the starting CF next season

Yes, he's absolutely earned that spot, maybe til Florial starts knocking in a couple of years. Frazier-Hicks-Judge sounds pretty damn good, as much as I respect Gardy.

cheapo.

What a layabout

Is how he will make a million moves AFTER the damage is done.

I think he and Sandy have a great future as clowns as children's birthday parties

401 foot cheapo.

Love it.

going deep opposite field. That's how you work you way out of a slump.

In comment 13560513 ZGiants98 said:

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Looked like Judge got under it. In any event, hell of a nice start from Montero.

What the hell do you mean you take it back? You didn't need a measuring tape to realize that it wasn't a cheapo home run. The ball was more than a few rows back in the stands in right center, under no circumstance is that a cheap home run. You just seem to enjoy saying dumb shit on baseball threads for whatever reason.

In comment 13560566 MookGiants said:

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In comment 13560513 ZGiants98 said: Quote: Looked like Judge got under it. In any event, hell of a nice start from Montero. What the hell do you mean you take it back? You didn't need a measuring tape to realize that it wasn't a cheapo home run. The ball was more than a few rows back in the stands in right center, under no circumstance is that a cheap home run. You just seem to enjoy saying dumb shit on baseball threads for whatever reason.

It's Baghdad Z, man, laughable commentary is what he does.

That is pretty damn funny whoever came up with that.

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was running like he had a load of shit in his pants, have to know who is running, no need to bare hand it

In comment 13560569 figgy2989 said:

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That is pretty damn funny whoever came up with that.

*bows*

but ill take it

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Once Hansel Robles is in a game, the Mets might as well forfeit.

I actually switched to Matthew Berry's 800 hour fantasy football special as soon as I saw him on the mound. Sounds like he delivered as usual!

The good news is that losing games like this stopped being frustrating about 50 games ago so we might as well just keep on losin'.

Doesn't matter who the Yanks are playing, they need wins.

to give the Yanks the win

As a Yankee fan, I've been reading a lot about Dominic Smith for the Mets, but I have not actually looked at him until tonight.

Is he seriously a top prospect? I'm not trying to bash the Mets here but... he looks more like a dude playing beer league (in appearance only!) than a young up and comer. Does not pass the eye test that's for sure. Not like it matters, he might be a great player anyway but I was taken aback when I first saw him. I'd say he looks roughly 37 years old.

I don't know why people talk about Smith like he's 800 lbs. Schwarber doesn't look any more athletic than Smith and everyone was drooling over him when he came up.

Smith is never going to have the same body as Cespedes but it's not going to matter. He's not an elite prospect but some of the weight stuff is getting overblown. He's a 1B. I don't think anyone is expecting him to turn into Goldschmidt but he's a solid prospect.

In comment 13560586 arcarsenal said:

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I don't know why people talk about Smith like he's 800 lbs. Schwarber doesn't look any more athletic than Smith and everyone was drooling over him when he came up. Smith is never going to have the same body as Cespedes but it's not going to matter. He's not an elite prospect but some of the weight stuff is getting overblown. He's a 1B. I don't think anyone is expecting him to turn into Goldschmidt but he's a solid prospect.

Couldn't care less how he looks, but it is pretty funny to see him listed at 185 lbs

He's obviously not 185 lbs - BRef has him at like 240 and FanGraphs has him @ 250. I don't know who has him listed at 185 but obviously that's not accurate.

Who cares if he can hit, but man he looks so atypical I was not expecting that

It's Greg and Mook trying to muscle up and attack me on a Yankees/Mets thread. Who would have seen that coming? Fucking losers.

There's been a lot made over Smith's weight - it's a concern from the standpoint that he's got to really work to stay at a realistic playing weight. He's just a heavy kid. But he seems to be progressing as a hitter which is all that really matters. Now he'll have to grow accustomed to the MLB level, so I'm glad he's getting some work in this year. It'll help him prepare for next season.

pudgy but he was leading the entire minor leagues in hits at 22 years old (and he just turned 22 in May).

and he's a decent fielder.

His power also picked up this year as people expected it would as he matured.

He's a legit bona fide prospect.

he will need to keep his weight in check as he approaches his mid-20's and he's not beating out any infield hits, but his weight is fine for 1B.

he's more of a Mo Vaughn/Prince Fielder type than a Cody Bellinger, but should still thrive.

In comment 13560593 ZGiants98 said:

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It's Greg and Mook trying to muscle up and attack me on a Yankees/Mets thread. Who would have seen that coming? Fucking losers.

What happened to the perfect team?

In comment 13560602 Greg from LI said:

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In comment 13560593 ZGiants98 said: Quote: It's Greg and Mook trying to muscle up and attack me on a Yankees/Mets thread. Who would have seen that coming? Fucking losers. What happened to the perfect team?

LOL. The one that I said that was perfectly built in the WS two whole years ago?? The one that was you know... making the WS? Get over yourself. You are beyond boring. Keyboard warrior with your goon squad sister. I said nothing antagonistic and I even took my comment back when I learned how far the ball was hit almost an hour before you two clowns felt the need to chime in and attack. I just assume anything hit into that right field shallow porch is a cheapo due to that tin can you play in. Apologies.

1) I didn't think the ball was that low. I really think you guys continue to exaggerate the called strikes at the knees. To me, this looked like it crossed the knee. Even if it was a ball, it didn't miss by much. It was certainly close enough to be called a strike. He has taken too many of that same pitch for called strike 3. An adjustment has to come.

2) Ironically, the pitch he hit for a HR was lower and outside. Was this the adjustment mentioned above?

3) The weird thing is that he seems to be getting called out a lot on strikes at the knees. But, I saw a graphic yesterday looking at called strikes on Judge in the first half and the second half, claiming pitchers made adjustments. The 2 images shows a lot of low strikes called in the first half and a ton of high strikes against him in the second half. It sure seems to be the opposite.

In comment 13560495 bigbluehoya said:

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In comment 13560490 Knineteen said: Quote: Did Lagares got his hand on the bag before the tag? The tag wasn't immediate. I though he was safe and I'm very surprised the Mets didn't challenge. The ball beat him by a year but it was a nice slide and not a real good tag.

The initial replay from the home plate view looked safe. But, the view from the 1st base side showed the tag applied to the chest before Lagares got his right hand on the base.

In comment 13560614 Matt M. said:

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1) I didn't think the ball was that low. I really think you guys continue to exaggerate the called strikes at the knees. To me, this looked like it crossed the knee. Even if it was a ball, it didn't miss by much. It was certainly close enough to be called a strike. He has taken too many of that same pitch for called strike 3. An adjustment has to come. 2) Ironically, the pitch he hit for a HR was lower and outside. Was this the adjustment mentioned above? 3) The weird thing is that he seems to be getting called out a lot on strikes at the knees. But, I saw a graphic yesterday looking at called strikes on Judge in the first half and the second half, claiming pitchers made adjustments. The 2 images shows a lot of low strikes called in the first half and a ton of high strikes against him in the second half. It sure seems to be the opposite.

Not just an issue when Judge is in the box but certainly more regularly an issue - it's above the knee, not at or below it. I'd guess he has about 15-20 K's this season on pitches that are not technically strikes.

In comment 13560590 arcarsenal said:

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He's obviously not 185 lbs - BRef has him at like 240 and FanGraphs has him @ 250. I don't know who has him listed at 185 but obviously that's not accurate.

Saw it on the SNY telecast. Must have been a mistake. No big deal

Sorry, the way I responded to that sounded snarky - wasn't intentional.

I actually weigh 185-190 so it's pretty funny that SNY had Smith listed as that. Smith is literally like.. two of me. He's a big boy.

didn't take it that way. Maybe I was seeing things, but I could have sworn they had that.

I always listen to the SNY telecast when the Yankees play the Mets. Yankees telecast has improved but your crew is the best going. Really good insight

In comment 13560605 ZGiants98 said:

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In comment 13560602 Greg from LI said: Quote: In comment 13560593 ZGiants98 said: Quote: It's Greg and Mook trying to muscle up and attack me on a Yankees/Mets thread. Who would have seen that coming? Fucking losers. What happened to the perfect team? LOL. The one that I said that was perfectly built in the WS two whole years ago?? The one that was you know... making the WS? Get over yourself. You are beyond boring. Keyboard warrior with your goon squad sister. I said nothing antagonistic and I even took my comment back when I learned how far the ball was hit almost an hour before you two clowns felt the need to chime in and attack. I just assume anything hit into that right field shallow porch is a cheapo due to that tin can you play in. Apologies.

Z...love your work on the GOT threads, but come on man - you said Judges HR was cheap at first when it was a lot further than Grandy and Cespedes hit, you have to be ready to get flamed by some Yankee fans

Not trying to pile on, just grow some thick skin man that's all

In comment 13560639 mfsd said:

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In comment 13560605 ZGiants98 said: Quote: In comment 13560602 Greg from LI said: Quote: In comment 13560593 ZGiants98 said: Quote: It's Greg and Mook trying to muscle up and attack me on a Yankees/Mets thread. Who would have seen that coming? Fucking losers. What happened to the perfect team? LOL. The one that I said that was perfectly built in the WS two whole years ago?? The one that was you know... making the WS? Get over yourself. You are beyond boring. Keyboard warrior with your goon squad sister. I said nothing antagonistic and I even took my comment back when I learned how far the ball was hit almost an hour before you two clowns felt the need to chime in and attack. I just assume anything hit into that right field shallow porch is a cheapo due to that tin can you play in. Apologies. Z...love your work on the GOT threads, but come on man - you said Judges HR was cheap at first when it was a lot further than Grandy and Cespedes hit, you have to be ready to get flamed by some Yankee fans Not trying to pile on, just grow some thick skin man that's all

Yeah and I immediately took it back and said I was wrong. Is it really necessary to attack not only the post, but the poster like a couple of children a full hour after the fact? If it wasn't the same two posters every single year in Mets/Yankees threads Im sure I would have had no issue but its tiresome. I certainly wasn't attacking anyone or provoking.

You have to at least admit that "Baghdad Z" is pretty fuckin hilarious.

Frazier-Hicks-Judge
Didi-Sanchez
Severino

Those are 6 bonafides that are young and will be around for the long term. Then you can factor in the next tier pipeline that has yet to come up...Torres, Adams, Sheffield, Andujar, Florial. Exciting times as the Yankees are built for long term success.

loss. Keep em coming.

That's the actual debate. Not Judge vs Conforto.

I never saw Conforto before and honestly, I think the right debate for him will be Conforto vs Clint Frazier in two years as Judge is a unique player whose historical comparators are Kingman, Killebrew, Strawberry, Dunn, Winfield, Frank Thomas...some mix of big strikeout power hitters and guys with huge strike zones and long armed mechanics that can easily slide away the 3 inches they need

I don't follow the Mets at all ( they are in a different league) so I have no idea whatsoever what their next 5 years might look like. I was hoping to get a sense of that from the posts during the annual home and home series

Mets farm system is currently weak. That said they have Rosario, Conforto, Syndergaard, DeGrom, Matz, Smith all low to upper 20's. They have work to do. Farm systems also can fluctuate year to year. This happened to be a poor organizational year from top to bottom.

it means nothing. Both look to be solid young players. I'd rather be Judge though because he's on a team built for long term success wheras Conforto is on a team that doesn't really have a direction or a plan.

It's exciting times to be a Yankee fan as the turnaround was fairly quick from the aging run that is just about over(CC looks to be the last of that group) and onto the youth movement that is showing signs of long term sustainability. The Yankees can essentially field a team of position players with all young high upside players. With the right decisions and growth, the Yankees could have another dynasty coming.

but I can't help but look forward to next year. Having Frazier, Bird and Torres added into the mix on a daily basis with Sanchez and Judge is gonna be a lot of fun to watch. Keep getting younger.

In comment 13560816 Bill2 said:

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That's the actual debate. Not Judge vs Conforto. I never saw Conforto before and honestly, I think the right debate for him will be Conforto vs Clint Frazier in two years as Judge is a unique player whose historical comparators are Kingman, Killebrew, Strawberry, Dunn, Winfield, Frank Thomas...some mix of big strikeout power hitters and guys with huge strike zones and long armed mechanics that can easily slide away the 3 inches they need I don't follow the Mets at all ( they are in a different league) so I have no idea whatsoever what their next 5 years might look like. I was hoping to get a sense of that from the posts during the annual home and home series

This is what kills me about some of you guys. You "never saw Conforto before" but you have no problem comparing him to Clint Frazier. Frazier...I guy who has sucked since being called up and can't touch Conforto's numbers in the minors. Really? It's a laughable statement. Someone even said that his ceiling already was Adam Jones...a player that Conforto is already better than. At least Conforto has a track record of performing the way he has been this year...which has been outstanding.

Yet with Judge, after a third of a season of being hot, you have not problem comparing him with the likes of HOF players and project him to have a HOF career. Completely discounting that Judge was awful when he was called up last season and his numbers in the minors don't even come close to what he DID for a third of a season.

I have no doubt that Judge will be a beast. Not the beast he was the first third of the season, but a good player for a long time. So will Conforto. He won't have the glamour of the 500 foot HRs that Judge does, but he will hit plenty of HRs. And he's a year younger than Judge.

The main event comes next season when Rosario and Gleyber Torres both get rolling. Should be a bloodbath around here.

it won't matter. Yankee fans will be focused on winning a championship, we will let Mets fans care about who the better young players are(which are obviously teh Yankees).