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pjcas18 : 8/14/2017 2:25 pm
so I have posted on this before, Zeke suspension ruins everything.

In my league we have two keepers, and you lose the round you drafted the person in. So my keepers are set (Howard in the 8th and Michael Thomas in the 11th). I did some early planning last year in the face of a slew of injuries and I have two first, two seconds, and a 3rd round pick.

I wound up with the 3rd pick and 7th pick in the 1st.

My top 4 picks are #3, #7, #12, #16 and #24.

I felt great about it a week ago b/c there were three "tier 1" talents available, Julio Jones, Zeke, and Odell Beckham. So I was guaranteed 1 of those 3 and would be fine with any of them.

Now, it's unlikely I draft Zeke and here are my choices (12 team PPR, 6 pt per passing TD)

I will assume Elliott is there and Jones and Beckham are gone here is the top 25 available:

1. McCoy
2. Evans
3. Freeman
4. TY
5. Dez
6. Doug Baldwin
7. Gronk
8. Demaryius Thomas
9. Gurley
10. Hopkins
11. Fournette
12. Lamar Miller
13. Allen Robinson
14. Keenan Allen
15. Kelce
16. Watkins
17. Alshon
18. Tate
19. Crabtree
20. McCaffrey
21. Fitz
22. Landry
23. Pryor
24. Hyde
25. Olsen

So, who do you take at 3 knowing I have a choice of any of those players 1 - 25, assuming neither of the top 2 teams take Elliott and then who would you target at 7?

And I'm not crazy to completely avoid Elliott right?
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RE: I'll share the sheet.  
pjcas18 : 8/15/2017 9:06 am : link
In comment 13560717 Keith said:
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At the end of the day, its just a well put together list of various sites. It's not a science, ya know.


I know.

People on here are hesitant to share advice because they fear they'll tip their hand, people take this seriously.

I honestly like people's opinions and if someone on here (even in our league) says I'd go Evans over McCoy I assure you I am not going to remember that come draft day in our league and have it influence who I'd take.
RE: RE: I'll share the sheet.  
YAJ2112 : 8/15/2017 9:11 am : link
In comment 13560721 pjcas18 said:
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In comment 13560717 Keith said:


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At the end of the day, its just a well put together list of various sites. It's not a science, ya know.



I know.

People on here are hesitant to share advice because they fear they'll tip their hand, people take this seriously.

I honestly like people's opinions and if someone on here (even in our league) says I'd go Evans over McCoy I assure you I am not going to remember that come draft day in our league and have it influence who I'd take.


And I'll tell you that I'd take McCoy over Evans. You can use that information however you like, but I have the #2 pick so it's not going to help too much.
My opinion>>>>>>>>>>Your opinion  
Keith : 8/15/2017 9:13 am : link
therefore I don't want you to have it.

If we were playing for more than 25 friend points, I might be a little closer to the vest.
RE: RE: RE: I'll share the sheet.  
pjcas18 : 8/15/2017 9:14 am : link
In comment 13560728 YAJ2112 said:
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In comment 13560721 pjcas18 said:


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In comment 13560717 Keith said:


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At the end of the day, its just a well put together list of various sites. It's not a science, ya know.



I know.

People on here are hesitant to share advice because they fear they'll tip their hand, people take this seriously.

I honestly like people's opinions and if someone on here (even in our league) says I'd go Evans over McCoy I assure you I am not going to remember that come draft day in our league and have it influence who I'd take.



And I'll tell you that I'd take McCoy over Evans. You can use that information however you like, but I have the #2 pick so it's not going to help too much.


exactly, that's my point. I pick 9th, so I guess the people who pick 10 - 12 if they say who they like could in theory be impacted by my selection, but its unlikely.
I'll tip my hand  
leatherneck570 : 8/15/2017 10:26 am : link
There's a good chance I'm taking Eli with my first pick.
RE: I'll tip my hand  
pjcas18 : 8/15/2017 10:27 am : link
In comment 13560849 leatherneck570 said:
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There's a good chance I'm taking Eli with my first pick.


I thought you already picked Rosas #1 overall?
RE: RE: I'll tip my hand  
leatherneck570 : 8/15/2017 10:29 am : link
In comment 13560853 pjcas18 said:
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In comment 13560849 leatherneck570 said:


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There's a good chance I'm taking Eli with my first pick.



I thought you already picked Rosas #1 overall?


Smoke and mirrors man, smoke and mirrors.
RE: RE: RE: I'll tip my hand  
pjcas18 : 8/15/2017 10:33 am : link
In comment 13560854 leatherneck570 said:
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In comment 13560853 pjcas18 said:


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In comment 13560849 leatherneck570 said:


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There's a good chance I'm taking Eli with my first pick.



I thought you already picked Rosas #1 overall?



Smoke and mirrors man, smoke and mirrors.


Well played leatherneck, all my mocks that I've been running (which is pretty much 24/7 until our actual draft) have you taking Rosas first. Well played.

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arcarsenal : 8/15/2017 10:34 am : link
WTF man, is someone really snaking Rosas from me in the 1st?

I thought there was a certain code - and it appears to be broken.

Pretty messed up.
RE: .  
YAJ2112 : 8/15/2017 10:37 am : link
In comment 13560865 arcarsenal said:
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WTF man, is someone really snaking Rosas from me in the 1st?

I thought there was a certain code - and it appears to be broken.

Pretty messed up.


Nobody wants to help you out. Can you imagine the embarrassment for the team that somehow loses to you?
Man,  
Keith : 8/15/2017 10:42 am : link
one bad season(ok, embarrassingly brutal) and arc is now the laughingstock of the league! That was like 8 years ago, I'm sure he's gotten atleast 1 win since then.
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arcarsenal : 8/15/2017 10:43 am : link
Joke will be on you guys... you'll see.

area junk has already given me a bunch of inside info on some players.
RE: .  
YAJ2112 : 8/15/2017 10:48 am : link
In comment 13560883 arcarsenal said:
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Joke will be on you guys... you'll see.

area junk has already given me a bunch of inside info on some players.


That's ok, I've got EliteMob doing detailed offensive line reports for all 32 teams complete with cage ratings.
All I know is that I am drafting Odell  
Keith : 8/15/2017 10:51 am : link
and as soon as he goes for 10 catches and 100 yards, I'm trading him. Bad influence on the rest of my team.
This was the 0 - 13 drafted team  
pjcas18 : 8/15/2017 10:53 am : link
looks like it should have at least won a couple games, this was 2011, so hard to remember how good players were 6 years ago.

Arc had the 9th pick, which doesn't bode well for me.

And to be fair, Arc's final roster he was starting Monterio Hardesty and Delone Carter at RB (he did lose by over 100 points though).

There were 2 close games too, he lost to jlukes by less than 2 points and Big Fred by less than a point. .87 points difference 6 years ago and Arc could have avoided all this abuse.

None of the other games were really close.

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arc
1. (9) Andre Johnson (Hou - WR)
2. (16) Frank Gore (Ind - RB)
3. (33) LeGarrette Blount (Phi - RB)
4. (40) Matt Schaub (Atl - QB)
5. (57) Julio Jones (Atl - WR)
6. (64) Jason Witten (Dal - TE)
7. (81) Brandon Jacobs (NYG - RB)
8. (88) Mike Sims-Walker (Jax - WR)
9. (105) James Starks (GB - RB)
10. (112) Joe Flacco (Bal - QB)
11. (129) James Jones (LAC - WR)
12. (136) Chicago (Chi - DEF)
13. (153) Dustin Keller (Mia - TE)
14. (160) Stephen Gostkowski
Classic pj, always defending  
Keith : 8/15/2017 10:57 am : link
the indefensible. Way to ruin the fun!
RE: Classic pj, always defending  
pjcas18 : 8/15/2017 11:00 am : link
In comment 13560907 Keith said:
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the indefensible. Way to ruin the fun!


LOL, sorry, I didn't mean to defend Arc, I like laughing at 0 - 13 too, it's hard to do.

I'm in a season long pick 'em pool for high stakes, every game, every week, against the Tuesday morning spreads (with three weekly 2-point picks). And there is a last place prize that is about $1,000 so usually around the mid-point of the season teams evaluate where they are and then try and go for last place if they're not close to the prize money (top 15 places get paid).

And it always fails, if you can't pick winners why do people think they can pick losers?

Anyway, my point is Arc should be laughed at, 0 for the season is really hard to do, I just wanted to provide the context.
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arcarsenal : 8/15/2017 11:06 am : link
I was obviously just tanking after a few heartbreaking losses.

Also, I picked up Cruz that year which was his breakout season. My team really shouldn't have been THAT bad. But it was.

I was ahead of my time taking Andre Johnson in the first rd. I saw the talent in Julio Jones... clearly a young, aspiring, successful fantasy GM.
RE: I'll share the sheet.  
Mr. Bungle : 8/15/2017 1:36 pm : link
In comment 13560717 Keith said:
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At the end of the day, its just a well put together list of various sites. It's not a science, ya know.

Relax, dude. You're no kmed.
RE: RE: I'll share the sheet.  
Keith : 8/15/2017 1:41 pm : link
In comment 13561229 Mr. Bungle said:
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In comment 13560717 Keith said:


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At the end of the day, its just a well put together list of various sites. It's not a science, ya know.


Relax, dude. You're no kmed.


That's a high bar to compare anyone to.
WR Kenny Golladay  
KWALL2 : 8/15/2017 2:47 pm : link
Draft him. He's a league winner player. By midseason, he'll be WR1 in DET this year.
RE: WR Kenny Golladay  
YAJ2112 : 8/15/2017 4:23 pm : link
In comment 13561313 KWALL2 said:
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Draft him. He's a league winner player. By midseason, he'll be WR1 in DET this year.


Because he had 2 TDs vs scrubs in the first preseason game? Can we see him at least play with/against the 1s first before we anoint him?

And I like him and will take him in deeper leagues but let's hold off on putting him in the HOF for now.
About Golladay  
KWALL2 : 8/15/2017 6:33 pm : link
I mentioned him last week as the guy to draft in FF. That was before the 2 TDs.

Marvin Jones is going to lose targets. He isn't consistent. Golladay will take his PT. He'll be the red zone guy, run slants for them and be the down the field threat. He's a strong runner and they will get him the ball often.

Stafford knows how to use a huge target like Galladay. By week 4, he'll be WR1 in DET. They throw it a lot. Have an excellent QB. Play in a dome. That will add up to a FF draft steal and a league winner type pick.
RE: About Golladay  
leatherneck570 : 8/15/2017 7:33 pm : link
In comment 13561590 KWALL2 said:
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I mentioned him last week as the guy to draft in FF. That was before the 2 TDs.

Marvin Jones is going to lose targets. He isn't consistent. Golladay will take his PT. He'll be the red zone guy, run slants for them and be the down the field threat. He's a strong runner and they will get him the ball often.

Stafford knows how to use a huge target like Galladay. By week 4, he'll be WR1 in DET. They throw it a lot. Have an excellent QB. Play in a dome. That will add up to a FF draft steal and a league winner type pick.




Shhhhhhhhhh.
RE: This was the 0 - 13 drafted team  
EricJ : 8/15/2017 7:42 pm : link
In comment 13560899 pjcas18 said:
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arc
1. (9) Andre Johnson (Hou - WR)
2. (16) Frank Gore (Ind - RB)
3. (33) LeGarrette Blount (Phi - RB)
4. (40) Matt Schaub (Atl - QB)
5. (57) Julio Jones (Atl - WR)
6. (64) Jason Witten (Dal - TE)
7. (81) Brandon Jacobs (NYG - RB)
8. (88) Mike Sims-Walker (Jax - WR)
9. (105) James Starks (GB - RB)
10. (112) Joe Flacco (Bal - QB)
11. (129) James Jones (LAC - WR)
12. (136) Chicago (Chi - DEF)
13. (153) Dustin Keller (Mia - TE)
14. (160) Stephen Gostkowski


PJ,

It is tough to say that he chose the wrong players because that was a long time ago and who the hell can remember that the rankings were back then?

What I will say is that I do not like when he selected certain positions.
My team wasn't much better  
pjcas18 : 8/15/2017 7:55 pm : link
5 - 8, but it was a 6pt per passing TD league and no PPR, so QB's went higher than normal and this was still the hey day of RB/RB had to have two good RB's - at least a lot of people did draft with that philosophy.

I don't really remember what derailed my team I think I lost Miles Austin early to a sprained ankle or something and then I just never recovered at WR.

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pjcas18
1. (4) Ray Rice (Bal - RB)
2. (21) Matt Forte (NYJ - RB)
3. (28) Miles Austin (Phi - WR)
4. (45) Matt Ryan (Atl - QB)
5. (52) Jermichael Finley (GB - TE)
6. (69) Sidney Rice (Sea - WR)
7. (76) Lance Moore (NO - WR)
8. (93) Mike Thomas (Hou - WR)
9. (100) Sam Bradford (Min - QB)
10. (117) New England (NE - DEF)
11. (124) Nate Burleson (Cle - WR)
12. (141) Rashad Jennings (NYG - RB)
13. (148) Lee Evans (Jax - WR)
14. (165) Garrett Hartley (Pit - K)


for reference, league winner was Jon in NYC and here is his team, and keep in mind these are draft results, not final rosters.

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Jon in NYC
1. (8) Maurice Jones-Drew (Jax - RB)
2. (17) Roddy White (Atl - WR)
3. (32) Peyton Manning (Den - QB)
4. (41) Ryan Grant (GB - RB)
5. (56) Marques Colston (NO - WR)
6. (65) Ryan Mathews (Phi - RB)
7. (80) Owen Daniels (Den - TE)
8. (89) Daniel Thomas (Mia - RB)
9. (104) Josh Freeman (Ind - QB)
10. (113) New York (NYJ - DEF)
11. (128) A.J. Green (Cin - WR)
12. (137) Braylon Edwards (NYJ - WR)
13. (152) Zach Miller (Sea - TE)
14. (161) Matt Bryant (Atl - K)


Here is Kmed's sad team, he was tied with me at 5 - 8

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Kmed
1. (7) Jamaal Charles (Den - RB)
2. (18) Hakeem Nicks (NO - WR)
3. (31) Felix Jones (Pit - RB)
4. (42) Brandon Marshall (NYG - WR)
5. (55) Dallas Clark (Ind - TE)
6. (66) Eli Manning (NYG - QB)
7. (79) Marshawn Lynch (Oak - RB)
8. (90) Kenny Britt (Cle - WR)
9. (103) Green Bay (GB - DEF)
10. (114) Kevin Kolb (Buf - QB)
11. (127) Tony Gonzalez (Atl - TE)
12. (138) Thomas Jones (KC - RB)
13. (151) Nate Kaeding (TB - K)
14. (162) Tashard Choice (Ind - RB)

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arcarsenal : 8/15/2017 8:07 pm : link
Fantasy has changed a LOT in the last 5-6 years even though it doesn't feel like it.

Still doesn't excuse my disastrous season, but most of my picks were semi-justifiable at the time I made them. I know looking at it now, it seems like lunacy that I took a guy like Blount so early but the perception of him then and the perception of him now were two completely different things.

Matt Schaub looks like a fucking joke of a pick now but I'm fairly certain he actually led the league in passing yards the year before that.

Andre Johnson was also pretty well-regarded as the best WR in football at that time and he wound up hurt.

Gore was still in his 20's.

Mike Sims-Walker was actually a thing for a year or so.

If you remember the Packers' 2010 Super Bowl run, James Starks was actually the reason their run game came alive. He was a rookie that year and played really well down the stretch. It wasn't crazy to think he'd follow up with a solid campaign.

To go 0-13, almost everything that CAN go wrong has to go wrong.. that's pretty much what happened to me.

Still pathetic, though!
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pjcas18 : 8/15/2017 8:13 pm : link
In comment 13561672 arcarsenal said:
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Fantasy has changed a LOT in the last 5-6 years even though it doesn't feel like it.

Still doesn't excuse my disastrous season, but most of my picks were semi-justifiable at the time I made them. I know looking at it now, it seems like lunacy that I took a guy like Blount so early but the perception of him then and the perception of him now were two completely different things.

Matt Schaub looks like a fucking joke of a pick now but I'm fairly certain he actually led the league in passing yards the year before that.

Andre Johnson was also pretty well-regarded as the best WR in football at that time and he wound up hurt.

Gore was still in his 20's.

Mike Sims-Walker was actually a thing for a year or so.

If you remember the Packers' 2010 Super Bowl run, James Starks was actually the reason their run game came alive. He was a rookie that year and played really well down the stretch. It wasn't crazy to think he'd follow up with a solid campaign.

To go 0-13, almost everything that CAN go wrong has to go wrong.. that's pretty much what happened to me.

Still pathetic, though!


You even wound up with Cruz on waivers and he was your highest point player, your QB's wound up Hasselback and Flacco, so I think Schaub probably began his injury history that year.

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arcarsenal : 8/15/2017 8:24 pm : link
Yup, I just looked it up - Schaub missed 6 games that year but was actually a pro bowler the year after.

There was logic behind my picks.. they just didn't work. Cruz was the only good thing that happened to me that year.
You guys should move one from the past..  
leatherneck570 : 8/15/2017 8:26 pm : link
And start making excuses for this year instead.
I was just looking at some of those teams above..  
EricJ : 8/15/2017 10:29 pm : link
and saw Colston's name. Reminded me of his rookie year. In yahoo, they had him listed as a TE/WR. I think in his first week he did well. I picked him up and played him as a tight end all year. Probably out scored every other true TE in fantasy that year. The other guys in the league were pissed off.
How the hell can any of you remember anything from that season.  
Keith : 8/15/2017 10:45 pm : link
I couldn't tell you a damn thing about any of those guys in that specific season. I would assume that my team was devastated with injuries however or else I would have won about 5-6 more games.
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