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Line needs to play Smashmouth

Elite Mobster #32 : 8/14/2017 3:09 pm
The Line is better than what it showed against Pittsburgh. This line practices opposite JPP, Snacks, Vernon.

In training camp however they don't finish off the blocks by Pancaking the guy to the ground. ATTENTION REPORTERS- Is there Video of the Giants linemen in the gym lifting? Who is the strongest? Who kills it in the Weight Room? There is competition between all the other team groups, it would be interesting to learn gain more info about the Lineman.

I like the Rookies Bisnowaty, and Wheeler. I think they have the capability to play physical. The rookies will follow the leader.

Pugh is in a contract year and I'm sure he is Motivated.

This is only reference to finding the dominant player, who sets the tone as to how physical the Giants line is willing to play, I have hopes for Flowers to emerge as the Dominant Lineman. Even when he had NO technique, I was proud of how he swatted away some defenders.

I believe there is a nucleus for the new guys to play smart and block defenders out of the play. We need the line to get stronger in the weight room and become bullies.

Giants were a Playoff team last year with a winning 11-5 record, but the running game was unsuccessful.

We are looking to play smart and physical this year.

Who will set the tone as a Dominant Lineman on a good line this year. Will we have a good Line? Since we have the same line as last year, essentially who will step up?


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This line gets  
superspynyg : 8/14/2017 3:12 pm : link
smashed in the mouth....REPEATLY!!!
I don't know about you...  
figgy2989 : 8/14/2017 3:15 pm : link
But I think the most important aspect of the o-line is who will have the sickest cage.
If all it takes is a weight room warrior, then hopefully someone can  
regulator : 8/14/2017 3:15 pm : link
track down Mitch Petrus and convince him to come back...
Hey Westburger  
YAJ2112 : 8/14/2017 3:15 pm : link
put this on repeat
Link - ( New Window )
thats for sure  
Elite Mobster #32 : 8/14/2017 3:16 pm : link
but are those fighting words to our linemen? we don't know their personalities.
You are what you are.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 8/14/2017 3:17 pm : link
These guys aren't smashmouth types. Even in one of the practice clips I saw from today, Flowers got shoved into the backfield on a goalline play by Bromley. I think the more problematic thing for me is these guys don't seem to play in unison. When I watch Green Bay, everyone fires off the ball and they look like a 5 man sled drill. With the Giants, there's always 1 guy who's beaten off the snap, can't beat his man to the spot, or is shoved in the backfield. It's not all five guys every play, but 1 MASSIVE breakdown each time that seems to ruin plays and ultimately drives.

While I think a new o-line coach could be needed, I think the other answer is simply new o-linemen.
Bisnowaty has the sickess cage  
Elite Mobster #32 : 8/14/2017 3:19 pm : link
has the sick cage.... without a doubt *
You say things..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/14/2017 3:19 pm : link
constantly that a player is going to DOMINATE or DISRUPT or some other silly word, but it doesn't mean shit. Just saying the line needs to play SMASHMOUTH is no different that me saying EliteMobster needs to GET A CLUE. Shit just doesn't happen, especially if they aren't even designed to be a smashmouth line.

I realize that's deflating because you always want to speak in superlatives and point to Pinkins disrupting the offense in practice or Bisnowaty being a BEAST, but you might as well just sound like a parent on Peanuts because it doesn't mean anything at all.

It's like you wave pom-poms while drooling all over the fucking things.

I wish you just admitted you didn't know shit about what goes on in practice. That you have no clue if people are pancaking players or not, or even if they should be pancaking players. That you have no clue on how a reserve DB is playing let alone "disrupting the offense in practice".

It's a tiring exercise to see continual posts that mean absolutely nothing, whether they be about CAGES or SMASHMOUTH.

Useless shit.
Somebody once told me the world is gonna roll me  
Heisenberg : 8/14/2017 3:20 pm : link
I ain't the sharpest tool in the shed.

She was looking kinda dumb with her fingers and her thumb in the shape of an 'L' on her forehead.
So the line should play better?  
Mike from Ohio : 8/14/2017 3:22 pm : link
Huh. That's given me a lot to think about as a fan. I was hoping to see what we saw last year - no more and no less. Perhaps I should re-think that position?

Good thread.
LOL!!  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/14/2017 3:22 pm : link
Quote:
Somebody once told me the world is gonna roll me
Heisenberg : 3:20 pm : link : reply
I ain't the sharpest tool in the shed.

She was looking kinda dumb with her fingers and her thumb in the shape of an 'L' on her forehead.


Now that's a better use of Smashmouth!!
One observation i see  
Elite Mobster #32 : 8/14/2017 3:23 pm : link
first of all I agree with you about GREEN BAY technique!

As far as Giant technique I think its a practice to allow the defender to go into the O-lineman's chest .
I think if they extend there arms and keep them away from the body its easier for them to control the movement of the defender -
Flowers has no problem playing smash mouth  
mfsd : 8/14/2017 3:25 pm : link
It's pass pro against elite pass rushers that give him trouble.

John Jerry and smash mouth don't belong in the same sentence, on the other hand

We are what we are, which is hopefully good enough to win with all our WR and now TE talent
RE: This line gets  
Beer Man : 8/14/2017 3:27 pm : link
In comment 13560128 superspynyg said:
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smashed in the mouth....REPEATLY!!!
LOL!
Fatman there you go again  
Elite Mobster #32 : 8/14/2017 3:28 pm : link
An idiot.... let me get this straight.

You said the line is not designed for Smashmouth?

Like they had a meeting and said lets not do that?

Is that what you said ? Fatman?
No...  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/14/2017 3:29 pm : link
that's not what I said.

The most salient thing I've inferred is that you are a fucking idiot.
Fatman is just  
Elite Mobster #32 : 8/14/2017 3:32 pm : link
a Fucktard
Talk about football ass hole  
Elite Mobster #32 : 8/14/2017 3:33 pm : link
who is the best of the line in your opinion? stupid
I think the OP must  
Gman11 : 8/14/2017 3:33 pm : link
be some corporate motivational speaker or something because he sounds like one.

It doesn't matter if the players have the talent or the technique, they just need work on the bench press.

I'm sure the next thread will be they're not playing good because they don't want it badly enough.
Read your own comment  
Elite Mobster #32 : 8/14/2017 3:37 pm : link
better yet...just talk about the Lineman and how they can improve.

How is most effective in your opinion, and is there potential
for the rookies to become a legitimately solid.
I love the irony..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/14/2017 3:37 pm : link
here

Quote:
Talk about football ass hole
Elite Mobster #32 : 3:33 pm : link : reply
who is the best of the line in your opinion? stupid


You realize you aren't talking football in these threads, right? You are blabbering about silly shit like being SMASHMOUTH or DISRUPTING THINGS or worse yet, a player's cage.

You sound like a foriegner with English as a second language and football as a distant 21st language.

I hate to break it to you, but what you do isn't talking football - it is just a bunch of inane shit, most likely typed out from Grandma's basement in a Serbian village.
About the only thing they can do  
David B. : 8/14/2017 3:38 pm : link
Is put Fluker in for Jerry. Seems Fluker can run block. Jerry has never been good at it.


And the Giants ought to keep Shane Smith who could help big time with their shitty run game (responsible for the 4th and 1 conversion), and stop worrying about a 4th TE. There are plenty of weapons in the passing game.
RE: Fatman is just  
Larry in Pencilvania : 8/14/2017 3:41 pm : link
In comment 13560174 Elite Mobster #32 said:
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a Fucktard


Hmmmm...Fucktard in Charlotte. Now that's original. I'd still rather hear about who has the best cage
RE: LOL!!  
YAJ2112 : 8/14/2017 3:43 pm : link
In comment 13560153 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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Quote:


Somebody once told me the world is gonna roll me
Heisenberg : 3:20 pm : link : reply
I ain't the sharpest tool in the shed.

She was looking kinda dumb with her fingers and her thumb in the shape of an 'L' on her forehead.



Now that's a better use of Smashmouth!!


Of course he was 5 minutes late with that use
Are you Taunting me ?  
Elite Mobster #32 : 8/14/2017 3:44 pm : link
Separatist - Get Off The Board you crossed the line
No one want to hear you

You won' t talk football Why are you here internet tough guy?

Just give your opinion about football
Do the have smashmouth cages?  
j_rud : 8/14/2017 3:44 pm : link
The head gear strikes me as more zone blocking...
RE: Are you Taunting me ?  
j_rud : 8/14/2017 3:48 pm : link
In comment 13560205 Elite Mobster #32 said:
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Separatist - Get Off The Board you crossed the line


Yeah, beat it FMiC. And take your droid army with you.
Did Elite Mobster just turn  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 8/14/2017 3:49 pm : link
Troll?
.  
arcarsenal : 8/14/2017 3:50 pm : link
I don't know about y'all  
j_rud : 8/14/2017 4:01 pm : link
but I won't just sit back, kick back and watch Fatman get bushwhacked, news at 10 your BBI is under attack
I did not think OLs were here to be  
bigfish703 : 8/14/2017 4:01 pm : link
but to learn the quadrille. This a silly conversation. Every coach wants his linemen to play tough.

Come to think of it, if Giant linemen could learn the quadrille, they could probably also learn to coordinate with each other, and that is really what is missing here.

Let's give them at least 2 more games before we ask them to the dance.
My leader should have read  
bigfish703 : 8/14/2017 4:08 pm : link
I did not think OLs were here to be "smash mouth"

damn computers!
What we really need are some  
8 Ball : 8/14/2017 4:21 pm : link
cool highlight videos of the OL doing one armed blocks on the sled. That will make us all feel better.
Arc  
Elite Mobster #32 : 8/14/2017 4:22 pm : link
I'm more interesting than discussing my Giants - I see !

Lets talk Football is all I am here for, to RELAX?

Arc who is the best Lineman in your opinion?







It's easy for we fans to say  
81_Great_Dane : 8/14/2017 4:31 pm : link
"Line needs to play Smashmouth."

The reason they spend so much time on technique is that it's not just a matter of being stronger and hitting harder. These guys are already elite athletes. I think the weakest guy on the OL unit (that might be Richburg) could break most BBIers in half with one hand.

Besides, I'm pretty sure it's has already occurred to the players and coaches that it would be good to lift weights, bulk up and hit defense hard. I'm pretty confident saying that they're already trying to do that.

Also, I remember Trent Dilfer explaining on some sports radio show why nobody relies on 80s-style "smashmouth" football anymore. He said that in those days, you could simply win your matchups and rely on execution to make a play succeed. Nowadays, the players are too evenly matched. You can't just count on execution. You have to do something in the offense to create an instant's hesitation on the defense, then exploit that instant.

Today's offenses can't simply take the attitude "We don't care if you know what we're going to do; we're going to beat you anyway." The athletes on defense are just too good for the old "smashmouth" style to work consistently. That's not a Giants thing, it's an NFL thing.

By the way, the 2016 bGiants' personnel packages were so predictable, the plays they'd run were so limited, that they could do very little to create hesitation, never mind deception. It didn't work.
RE: One observation i see  
mrvax : 8/14/2017 4:45 pm : link
In comment 13560156 Elite Mobster #32 said:
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first of all I agree with you about GREEN BAY technique!

As far as Giant technique I think its a practice to allow the defender to go into the O-lineman's chest .
I think if they extend there arms and keep them away from the body its easier for them to control the movement of the defender -


Pretty sure our Oline's TECHNIQUE for running plays is to force the defenders to go directly into the backfield.
MOAR  
Mike from SI : 8/14/2017 4:46 pm : link
OKLAHOMA DRILLZ
This guy has always had a whiff of  
lono801 : 8/14/2017 4:48 pm : link
Firebomb Ric to his posts

in soviet  
Les in TO : 8/14/2017 4:54 pm : link
Russia, Dominant Lineman pancakes you!
RE: About the only thing they can do  
Carson53 : 8/14/2017 5:04 pm : link
In comment 13560193 David B. said:
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Is put Fluker in for Jerry. Seems Fluker can run block. Jerry has never been good at it.


And the Giants ought to keep Shane Smith who could help big time with their shitty run game (responsible for the 4th and 1 conversion), and stop worrying about a 4th TE. There are plenty of weapons in the passing game.
.

I agree, they don't need a 4th TE, Ellison, Engram and Adams
is sufficient. Maybe they should keep a FB this year.
Keep in mind, Jerry got a 3 year deal to come back.
Fluker is on a one year prove it deal,
for very little money.
81 Great Dane - I agree  
Elite Mobster #32 : 8/14/2017 5:05 pm : link
with what you said about creation of a moments hesitation!

Exploiting that hesitation!

That is something that takes some nuance and savvy to create with Line blocking.
The next step in once the hesitation is accomplished, it still takes power/technique to push the defender totally out of position to finish the play.
RE: MOAR  
Gman11 : 8/14/2017 5:23 pm : link
In comment 13560276 Mike from SI said:
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OKLAHOMA DRILLZ


Release the Tiki Missile!
The Green Bay OLine looks great  
JohnF : 8/14/2017 5:50 pm : link
because they've mastered the art of all five guys holding without getting called for it.

I don't care if the line pancakes the defense or not. The idea is to win your battle with the guy across from you long enough for the play to get off.

The 49'ers of Walsh and Montana had a good line, but it wasn't a run drive dominating line. The joke was that the SF fans were screaming at Walsh for running all the sweeps he did. Didn't stop them from winning Lombardi's.

Bradshaw's line at Pittsburgh during the '70's was small, even for that time. They were VERY good at trapping, though. Didn't stop Franco Harris from getting yards and the Steelers from getting Lombardi's.

There's lots of ways to skin a cat here, beside "Smashmouth". Pre snap motion and multiple formations are effective in today's football, and I'm hoping we see more of that this year.
Yeah,  
jeff57 : 8/14/2017 5:54 pm : link
that's one group they may be able to run the ball against.
Some of the problems of running pre-snap motion and  
Jimmy Googs : 8/14/2017 6:02 pm : link
multiple formations is the O-line seems to keep making mistakes on the play. Jumping off-sides, not being in the right place or missing their assignment. We saw plenty of this vs Pitt the other night.

Unfortunately all signs point to this being another difficult year with these guys...

RE: Some of the problems of running pre-snap motion and  
Big Blue '56 : 8/14/2017 6:09 pm : link
In comment 13560348 Jimmy Googs said:
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multiple formations is the O-line seems to keep making mistakes on the play. Jumping off-sides, not being in the right place or missing their assignment. We saw plenty of this vs Pitt the other night.

Unfortunately all signs point to this being another difficult year with these guys...


What signs exactly? This is preseason. What happened last year doesn't mean all that much..How about waiting for this year's version and year 2 of Solari to take hold. Practice is practice. Preseason games are preseason games..You work on things over and over. You can't extrapolate from practices and a few snaps in a preseason game that what occurred last year will occur again. Not yet anyway, even if it looks like the "same old, same old," when in fact all they're doing is working on things to improve. BBIers seem to need to see and hear that the OL after practices and limited game action is coming along..
Okay, they have another month to get it together  
Jimmy Googs : 8/14/2017 6:56 pm : link
but pointing to last year's performance with no changes to the starting lineup; reading daily reports from numerous beats and Sy that the O-line has been struggling; and seeing how they didn't look good early in the Pitt game and were kind of pathetic running the ball.

Yeah, I think those are real signs...

But I am all-in if things can "take hold".

Phil Simms was on the radio - mentioned, paraphrasing,  
idiotsavant : 8/14/2017 7:33 pm : link
'one big change for QBs today is that -all teams- now have a huge, huge DLer or two, or LB who can flat out fly.'

which is a trend -long in the works- and if that's not an invitation to draft bigger, better O Linesmen I don't know what is.
You don't play "smash mouth"  
annexOPR : 8/14/2017 7:38 pm : link
when the interior of your OL is Pugh, Richburg, Jerry
You keepranting..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/14/2017 7:40 pm : link
about needing football talk, but what fucking language is this?

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That is something that takes some nuance and savvy to create with Line blocking.
The next step in once the hesitation is accomplished, it still takes power/technique to push the defender totally out of position to finish the play


"Line blocking"? "The next step in once the hesitation is accomplished"??

Linemen across teams have utilized various techniques to be successful. A bigger indication for effectiveness is how cohesively they work together - after all, the goal is to keep the other guys either away from the QB or to open up holes for a ball carrier.

The post above outlining why SMASHMOUTH isn't just a throwaway line, but also not really something seen much in since the 80's due to parity probably goes right over your head, but the point about blocking is to execute the scheme as a group. Not missing assignments. Recognizing and picking up stunts. Negating spin moves one play and power moves the next. If you think pancake blocks happen frequently, you watch less football than I think you do. You might see only a couple a game - a game that will feature 100 plays with multiple guys blocking each play.

If you've seen this line and want them to be SMASHMOUTH, you are a fucking lunatic. You should want them to be technically sound and execute the blocking schemes that are expected when the plays are designed. You'll want them to pull on certain plays or move into space and drive downfield on screens. You'll want them to form a pocket on passing plays and open holes on running plays.

But let's get one thing straight - waving pom-poms over practice squad players you've never seen or rookie tackles you have no clue about isn't talking football. Using words like SMASHMOUTH and saying nonsensical things like "we need the line to get stronger in the weight room and become bullies" - it is yamming about in broken English and broken thoughts.
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