The Line is better than what it showed against Pittsburgh. This line practices opposite JPP, Snacks, Vernon.
In training camp however they don't finish off the blocks by Pancaking the guy to the ground. ATTENTION REPORTERS- Is there Video of the Giants linemen in the gym lifting? Who is the strongest? Who kills it in the Weight Room? There is competition between all the other team groups, it would be interesting to learn gain more info about the Lineman.
I like the Rookies Bisnowaty, and Wheeler. I think they have the capability to play physical. The rookies will follow the leader.
Pugh is in a contract year and I'm sure he is Motivated.
This is only reference to finding the dominant player, who sets the tone as to how physical the Giants line is willing to play, I have hopes for Flowers to emerge as the Dominant Lineman. Even when he had NO technique, I was proud of how he swatted away some defenders.
I believe there is a nucleus for the new guys to play smart and block defenders out of the play. We need the line to get stronger in the weight room and become bullies.
Giants were a Playoff team last year with a winning 11-5 record, but the running game was unsuccessful.
We are looking to play smart and physical this year.
Who will set the tone as a Dominant Lineman on a good line this year. Will we have a good Line? Since we have the same line as last year, essentially who will step up?
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While I think a new o-line coach could be needed, I think the other answer is simply new o-linemen.
I realize that's deflating because you always want to speak in superlatives and point to Pinkins disrupting the offense in practice or Bisnowaty being a BEAST, but you might as well just sound like a parent on Peanuts because it doesn't mean anything at all.
It's like you wave pom-poms while drooling all over the fucking things.
I wish you just admitted you didn't know shit about what goes on in practice. That you have no clue if people are pancaking players or not, or even if they should be pancaking players. That you have no clue on how a reserve DB is playing let alone "disrupting the offense in practice".
It's a tiring exercise to see continual posts that mean absolutely nothing, whether they be about CAGES or SMASHMOUTH.
Useless shit.
She was looking kinda dumb with her fingers and her thumb in the shape of an 'L' on her forehead.
Good thread.
Heisenberg : 3:20 pm : link : reply
I ain't the sharpest tool in the shed.
She was looking kinda dumb with her fingers and her thumb in the shape of an 'L' on her forehead.
Now that's a better use of Smashmouth!!
As far as Giant technique I think its a practice to allow the defender to go into the O-lineman's chest .
I think if they extend there arms and keep them away from the body its easier for them to control the movement of the defender -
John Jerry and smash mouth don't belong in the same sentence, on the other hand
We are what we are, which is hopefully good enough to win with all our WR and now TE talent
You said the line is not designed for Smashmouth?
Like they had a meeting and said lets not do that?
Is that what you said ? Fatman?
The most salient thing I've inferred is that you are a fucking idiot.
It doesn't matter if the players have the talent or the technique, they just need work on the bench press.
I'm sure the next thread will be they're not playing good because they don't want it badly enough.
How is most effective in your opinion, and is there potential
for the rookies to become a legitimately solid.
Elite Mobster #32 : 3:33 pm : link : reply
who is the best of the line in your opinion? stupid
You realize you aren't talking football in these threads, right? You are blabbering about silly shit like being SMASHMOUTH or DISRUPTING THINGS or worse yet, a player's cage.
You sound like a foriegner with English as a second language and football as a distant 21st language.
I hate to break it to you, but what you do isn't talking football - it is just a bunch of inane shit, most likely typed out from Grandma's basement in a Serbian village.
And the Giants ought to keep Shane Smith who could help big time with their shitty run game (responsible for the 4th and 1 conversion), and stop worrying about a 4th TE. There are plenty of weapons in the passing game.
Hmmmm...Fucktard in Charlotte. Now that's original. I'd still rather hear about who has the best cage
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Heisenberg : 3:20 pm : link : reply
I ain't the sharpest tool in the shed.
She was looking kinda dumb with her fingers and her thumb in the shape of an 'L' on her forehead.
Now that's a better use of Smashmouth!!
Of course he was 5 minutes late with that use
No one want to hear you
You won' t talk football Why are you here internet tough guy?
Just give your opinion about football
Yeah, beat it FMiC. And take your droid army with you.
Come to think of it, if Giant linemen could learn the quadrille, they could probably also learn to coordinate with each other, and that is really what is missing here.
Let's give them at least 2 more games before we ask them to the dance.
damn computers!
Lets talk Football is all I am here for, to RELAX?
Arc who is the best Lineman in your opinion?
The reason they spend so much time on technique is that it's not just a matter of being stronger and hitting harder. These guys are already elite athletes. I think the weakest guy on the OL unit (that might be Richburg) could break most BBIers in half with one hand.
Besides, I'm pretty sure it's has already occurred to the players and coaches that it would be good to lift weights, bulk up and hit defense hard. I'm pretty confident saying that they're already trying to do that.
Also, I remember Trent Dilfer explaining on some sports radio show why nobody relies on 80s-style "smashmouth" football anymore. He said that in those days, you could simply win your matchups and rely on execution to make a play succeed. Nowadays, the players are too evenly matched. You can't just count on execution. You have to do something in the offense to create an instant's hesitation on the defense, then exploit that instant.
Today's offenses can't simply take the attitude "We don't care if you know what we're going to do; we're going to beat you anyway." The athletes on defense are just too good for the old "smashmouth" style to work consistently. That's not a Giants thing, it's an NFL thing.
By the way, the 2016 bGiants' personnel packages were so predictable, the plays they'd run were so limited, that they could do very little to create hesitation, never mind deception. It didn't work.
As far as Giant technique I think its a practice to allow the defender to go into the O-lineman's chest .
I think if they extend there arms and keep them away from the body its easier for them to control the movement of the defender -
Pretty sure our Oline's TECHNIQUE for running plays is to force the defenders to go directly into the backfield.
And the Giants ought to keep Shane Smith who could help big time with their shitty run game (responsible for the 4th and 1 conversion), and stop worrying about a 4th TE. There are plenty of weapons in the passing game.
I agree, they don't need a 4th TE, Ellison, Engram and Adams
is sufficient. Maybe they should keep a FB this year.
Keep in mind, Jerry got a 3 year deal to come back.
Fluker is on a one year prove it deal,
for very little money.
Exploiting that hesitation!
That is something that takes some nuance and savvy to create with Line blocking.
The next step in once the hesitation is accomplished, it still takes power/technique to push the defender totally out of position to finish the play.
Release the Tiki Missile!
I don't care if the line pancakes the defense or not. The idea is to win your battle with the guy across from you long enough for the play to get off.
The 49'ers of Walsh and Montana had a good line, but it wasn't a run drive dominating line. The joke was that the SF fans were screaming at Walsh for running all the sweeps he did. Didn't stop them from winning Lombardi's.
Bradshaw's line at Pittsburgh during the '70's was small, even for that time. They were VERY good at trapping, though. Didn't stop Franco Harris from getting yards and the Steelers from getting Lombardi's.
There's lots of ways to skin a cat here, beside "Smashmouth". Pre snap motion and multiple formations are effective in today's football, and I'm hoping we see more of that this year.
Unfortunately all signs point to this being another difficult year with these guys...
Unfortunately all signs point to this being another difficult year with these guys...
What signs exactly? This is preseason. What happened last year doesn't mean all that much..How about waiting for this year's version and year 2 of Solari to take hold. Practice is practice. Preseason games are preseason games..You work on things over and over. You can't extrapolate from practices and a few snaps in a preseason game that what occurred last year will occur again. Not yet anyway, even if it looks like the "same old, same old," when in fact all they're doing is working on things to improve. BBIers seem to need to see and hear that the OL after practices and limited game action is coming along..
Yeah, I think those are real signs...
But I am all-in if things can "take hold".
which is a trend -long in the works- and if that's not an invitation to draft bigger, better O Linesmen I don't know what is.
The next step in once the hesitation is accomplished, it still takes power/technique to push the defender totally out of position to finish the play
"Line blocking"? "The next step in once the hesitation is accomplished"??
Linemen across teams have utilized various techniques to be successful. A bigger indication for effectiveness is how cohesively they work together - after all, the goal is to keep the other guys either away from the QB or to open up holes for a ball carrier.
The post above outlining why SMASHMOUTH isn't just a throwaway line, but also not really something seen much in since the 80's due to parity probably goes right over your head, but the point about blocking is to execute the scheme as a group. Not missing assignments. Recognizing and picking up stunts. Negating spin moves one play and power moves the next. If you think pancake blocks happen frequently, you watch less football than I think you do. You might see only a couple a game - a game that will feature 100 plays with multiple guys blocking each play.
If you've seen this line and want them to be SMASHMOUTH, you are a fucking lunatic. You should want them to be technically sound and execute the blocking schemes that are expected when the plays are designed. You'll want them to pull on certain plays or move into space and drive downfield on screens. You'll want them to form a pocket on passing plays and open holes on running plays.
But let's get one thing straight - waving pom-poms over practice squad players you've never seen or rookie tackles you have no clue about isn't talking football. Using words like SMASHMOUTH and saying nonsensical things like "we need the line to get stronger in the weight room and become bullies" - it is yamming about in broken English and broken thoughts.