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Elite Mobster #32 : 8/14/2017 3:09 pm
The Line is better than what it showed against Pittsburgh. This line practices opposite JPP, Snacks, Vernon.

In training camp however they don't finish off the blocks by Pancaking the guy to the ground. ATTENTION REPORTERS- Is there Video of the Giants linemen in the gym lifting? Who is the strongest? Who kills it in the Weight Room? There is competition between all the other team groups, it would be interesting to learn gain more info about the Lineman.

I like the Rookies Bisnowaty, and Wheeler. I think they have the capability to play physical. The rookies will follow the leader.

Pugh is in a contract year and I'm sure he is Motivated.

This is only reference to finding the dominant player, who sets the tone as to how physical the Giants line is willing to play, I have hopes for Flowers to emerge as the Dominant Lineman. Even when he had NO technique, I was proud of how he swatted away some defenders.

I believe there is a nucleus for the new guys to play smart and block defenders out of the play. We need the line to get stronger in the weight room and become bullies.

Giants were a Playoff team last year with a winning 11-5 record, but the running game was unsuccessful.

We are looking to play smart and physical this year.

Who will set the tone as a Dominant Lineman on a good line this year. Will we have a good Line? Since we have the same line as last year, essentially who will step up?


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interesting piece from bigblueview  
idiotsavant : 8/14/2017 7:51 pm : link
re: inside zone vs outside zone run blocking and possible use of fluker,

explains differences and benefits of

last spring i ranted about play action off outside zone ala falcons

not clear what our plan is.

https://www.bigblueview.com/2017/6/21/15828736/summer-school-dj-fluker-inside-zone-running-scheme-ny-giants-offensive-line-training-camp
I could easily be wrong  
idiotsavant : 8/14/2017 8:03 pm : link
but it seems like inside zone run blocking is more mentally complex whereas outside zone run blocking may seem to require more foot speed?..

for inside zone run blocking, especially maybe for relatively light in the pants blockers, footwork and angles would count for a shit ton,

whereas for outside zone, whomever is on the end of the train as it were, (a TE or an OT?) would need to move in space and ID a defender to hit.

then again, in inside zone, the center would have to move in space, assuming he is not stuck on a DT...being held inside that is, or simply blown aside
additionally  
idiotsavant : 8/14/2017 8:16 pm : link
its probably easier for a DT to get away with holding a center (center wanting to scoot through and hit a LB) than it is for a DE to get away with holding an OT or TE who is wanting to scoot in space and hit a second level defender, just by dint of its a visual mess in the interior?

vs outside zone runs, if the DE can occupy a T -and- a TE that would leave the LB or safety free to hit the RB?

overall, outside zone run blocking would simpler to learn though
RE: You are what you are.  
BigBlue in Keys : 8/14/2017 8:50 pm : link
In comment 13560140 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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there's always 1 guy who's beaten off the snap, can't beat his man to the spot, or is shoved in the backfield. It's not all five guys every play, but 1 MASSIVE breakdown each time that seems to ruin plays and ultimately drives.


Pretty much how I see it too. I hope some time together as a unit can make those breakdowns less frequent.
it seems that  
idiotsavant : 8/14/2017 9:01 pm : link
with zone blocking schemes most of the benefits and nuance come for running, and therefor, with the exception of play action moments, the pass protection, being possibly simpler as opposed to run blocking within the universe of zone methods, therefor being less likely to take advantage of nimble feet and therefore also wanting more heft....something being missing in the balance of plays
Hey Fatman look for a minute at the Hesitation theory  
Elite Mobster #32 : 8/14/2017 9:10 pm : link
Made by Great Dane 81 -

He said the players are almost equal in strength and skill,
so offensive lines base a portion of their schemes on creating a hesitation response, and they use that fraction of a second to exploit the confusion.

Kind of like what I do to you every time!

Just talk football Fatman We don't have to agree. Don't Hate or be miserable because I speak more languages than you. Its just a sport ok ?

And Players are Players  
Bluesbreaker : 8/14/2017 9:22 pm : link
I didn't expect the Giants to stand pat on this line and
put all the Apples in one cart .
I agree about keeping the fullback and Trying fluker out
in place of Jerry . Lets wait another year is not helping
our star QB
RE: I don't know about you...  
Gatorade Dunk : 8/14/2017 9:57 pm : link
In comment 13560133 figgy2989 said:
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But I think the most important aspect of the o-line is who will have the sickest cage.

I would like to learn gain more about this.
RE: Arc  
Gatorade Dunk : 8/14/2017 10:27 pm : link
In comment 13560258 Elite Mobster #32 said:
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I'm more interesting than discussing my Giants - I see !

Lets talk Football is all I am here for, to RELAX?

Arc who is the best Lineman in your opinion?







WTF are you even talking about?
Gatorade ?  
Elite Mobster #32 : 8/14/2017 10:59 pm : link
what is your question ? The Cage ? Bisnowaty has the sick Cage man. I hope he is a warrior.
RE: Gatorade ?  
j_rud : 8/14/2017 11:13 pm : link
In comment 13560617 Elite Mobster #32 said:
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what is your question ? The Cage ? Bisnowaty has the sick Cage man. I hope he is a warrior.


I hope he's a good football player. I guess if he can cleave another man in half with a broadsword that would be cool, but Im more interested in his ability as a lineman.
RE: Gatorade ?  
Gatorade Dunk : 8/14/2017 11:33 pm : link
In comment 13560617 Elite Mobster #32 said:
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what is your question ? The Cage ? Bisnowaty has the sick Cage man. I hope he is a warrior.

No, I want to learn gain more about everything you have to share. I like learn gaining as much as possible.
RE: Arc  
arcarsenal : 8/15/2017 12:31 am : link
In comment 13560258 Elite Mobster #32 said:
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I'm more interesting than discussing my Giants - I see !

Lets talk Football is all I am here for, to RELAX?

Arc who is the best Lineman in your opinion?








Hello, my friend.

So you want to talk football?

Well, if you want to talk about the best offensive lineman on the Giants, it unfortunately is probably Justin Pugh. Which isn't saying a whole lot. I am hoping a healthy Weston Richburg will be better than he was last year when he was playing with torn tendons in his snapping hand.

I still have hope for Ereck Flowers but he's running out of time and if this isn't the year, they've got to move him off LT. I do think he's an NFL caliber lineman - just probably not where he is right now.

I'm hoping Fluker provides some solid depth - it looks like Jerry is still the RG for now. Bobby Hart may become a decent RT but he had a few whiffs in the preseason game and needs to be better.

I don't think Biz is going to give us anything this year - he's still a project. I do think Wheeler is interesting and might have an outside shot to help.

I'm still pretty worried about the line as a whole - I'm worried that it might wreck this season. But I expect a dominant defense, we do have great skill players, and #10 is still here.

I'm not sure this line has the talent to be a "smash mouth" unit. I don't think they're physical enough. Flowers actually might be the only guy who is, and he's probably in the wrong spot.

Solari is going to need to start earning his money. Our entire season is probably riding on this line getting it together.
RE: Hey Fatman look for a minute at the Hesitation theory  
81_Great_Dane : 8/15/2017 1:04 am : link
In comment 13560511 Elite Mobster #32 said:
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Made by Great Dane 81 -

He said the players are almost equal in strength and skill,
so offensive lines base a portion of their schemes on creating a hesitation response, and they use that fraction of a second to exploit the confusion.

Well, I was paraphrasing Trent Dilfer, who did not specifically talk about O-line techniques. He said that today's offenses need to create an instant of hesitation or indecision in the defense. He didn't specifically say the linemen have to do that.

And hey, guys, leave me out of this.
Serious question...  
chopperhatch : 8/15/2017 1:35 am : link
Do you think the Smashmouth guys got laid. I mean, I cant imagine a line of Smashmouth groupies waiting eagerly with visions of cocaine riddled romps in a hotel bathroom dancing thru their heads.

But what do I know, I like The Disco Biscuits.
LOL..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/15/2017 12:02 pm : link
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Hey Fatman look for a minute at the Hesitation theory
Elite Mobster #32 : 8/14/2017 9:10 pm : link : reply
Made by Great Dane 81 -

He said the players are almost equal in strength and skill,
so offensive lines base a portion of their schemes on creating a hesitation response, and they use that fraction of a second to exploit the confusion


And yet - that's the exact opposite of what you are blabbering about in the OP. SMASHMOUTH!!! SMASHMOUTH!!

You aren't saying HESITATION.
How are the Giants going to play  
B in ALB : 8/15/2017 12:06 pm : link
SMASHMOUTH if the other team has the sickest cages?

Answer that one, genius.
well, obviously  
idiotsavant : 8/15/2017 12:13 pm : link
IF the line has some plays that develop instantly and hit hard (not as much of a dichotomy as we think, inside zone plays may require angles and double blocks but dont actually preclude hard hitting within that) such 'quick hit plays', if run often, effectively and nastily enough ....would create hesitation for a split second from the D line opposite for those non run plays.

Our problem has been, even on 3rd and short, the D knows its a pass so no hesitation factor.

Pass then run has been our motto, instead of run to pass, and its been fairly anemic when it really counted.
Really??  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/15/2017 12:26 pm : link
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Our problem has been, even on 3rd and short, the D knows its a pass so no hesitation factor.


Since we ran the ball 47% of the time in 3rd and 3 or shorter, then what is the reasoning for the plays that failed?

They are able to stop the run - the majority of or conversions on 3rd and short (61%) were via the air.
RE: Really??  
Big Blue '56 : 8/15/2017 12:31 pm : link
In comment 13561091 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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Quote:


Our problem has been, even on 3rd and short, the D knows its a pass so no hesitation factor.



Since we ran the ball 47% of the time in 3rd and 3 or shorter, then what is the reasoning for the plays that failed?

They are able to stop the run - the majority of or conversions on 3rd and short (61%) were via the air.


I messaged you on FB
I'll have to go to Facebook shortly!  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/15/2017 12:32 pm : link
I saw the message from yesterday.....
Lol like clockwork with these posts  
micky : 8/15/2017 12:36 pm : link
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They need to SIMPLIFY  
Davisian : 8/15/2017 12:36 pm : link
The smashmouth TREE

I'm sure his next thread  
Gman11 : 8/15/2017 2:34 pm : link
will be how the OL has to impose its will on the opponent.
Only 1 place to run inside  
mack809f : 8/19/2017 4:38 pm : link
Is between Flowers and Pugh. Richburg and Jerry get no push. Our running game is very easy to defend,hopefully we can change that with TEs & FB or if Fluker wins the RG job. We'll need to use the pass to set up the run. Maybe we can at least patch together a decent short yardage package.
RE: Somebody once told me the world is gonna roll me  
madgiantscow009 : 8/19/2017 5:14 pm : link
In comment 13560146 Heisenberg said:
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I ain't the sharpest tool in the shed.

She was looking kinda dumb with her fingers and her thumb in the shape of an 'L' on her forehead.


that song is horrible, they shouldn't play smashmouth.
RE: This line gets  
Britt in VA : 8/22/2017 11:22 am : link
In comment 13560128 superspynyg said:
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smashed in the mouth....REPEATLY!!!


lol
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