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NFT: NHL News? And Kessel laughs last

pjcas18 : 8/15/2017 8:36 am
just wanted to see if there was any hockey news floating around as we're about 4 weeks out from NHL training camp.

Only thing I've heard is the NHL closed a loophole on the olympics, you can't have any type of NHL contract, and even be in the AHL and participate (some players were hoping to get sent down for two weeks to go).

Canadiens have cap room that lead the MTL reporters on some wild speculations that there is a trade coming, but nothing I've read imminent.

And then there's this. my hatred of Phil Kessel (hockey hate) has been well chronicled, but then he trolled a Toronto reporter who use to complain about fat lazy Kessel saying he used to eat hot dogs from street vendors every day with this and he had a caption "hot dogs taste better out of the cup":

So I'm coming around a little on Kessel.


Woah  
Deej : 8/15/2017 8:53 am : link
I thought Phillip Seymour Hoffman had died. Good to see him out and golfing.
You can tell her's wearing  
pjcas18 : 8/15/2017 9:01 am : link
a baggy shirt too to hide the gut or he just has a disproportionately fat face compared with his body.
Good for him  
feelflows : 8/15/2017 9:10 am : link
I hate the pens, but reporters suck.
This is a pretty dead period for hockey news.  
Gman11 : 8/15/2017 9:39 am : link
Supposedly, there are a couple of college players that become free agents today. I don't know if they are any good, but this is what the Rangers did with players like Hayes and Vesey. They sign these type of players since they trade away their top draft picks.
RE: This is a pretty dead period for hockey news.  
pjcas18 : 8/15/2017 9:53 am : link
In comment 13560769 Gman11 said:
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Supposedly, there are a couple of college players that become free agents today. I don't know if they are any good, but this is what the Rangers did with players like Hayes and Vesey. They sign these type of players since they trade away their top draft picks.


Will Butcher is the "big" name this year. I read the Red Wings are the front runner.
RE: RE: This is a pretty dead period for hockey news.  
feelflows : 8/15/2017 9:55 am : link
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Supposedly, there are a couple of college players that become free agents today. I don't know if they are any good, but this is what the Rangers did with players like Hayes and Vesey. They sign these type of players since they trade away their top draft picks.



Will Butcher is the "big" name this year. I read the Red Wings are the front runner.


Red wings need to create some space. They still have two guys to sign and no room. A lot of NTC on that team.
Brian Lawton speculating  
pganut : 8/15/2017 10:00 am : link
That Pastrnak may be moved by Boston over contract issues.
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pjcas18 : 8/15/2017 10:01 am : link
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Supposedly, there are a couple of college players that become free agents today. I don't know if they are any good, but this is what the Rangers did with players like Hayes and Vesey. They sign these type of players since they trade away their top draft picks.



Will Butcher is the "big" name this year. I read the Red Wings are the front runner.



Red wings need to create some space. They still have two guys to sign and no room. A lot of NTC on that team.


And a crowded roster. I think there will still be some moves this off-season, whether it's trades, cuts, etc.

Butcher is one of the few small defenseman I don't hate, maybe because I watched him play in the World Juniors.

I'd like to see the Canadiens sign him, but all these college FA's that are high profile want NHL contracts and a legit chance at PT.
RE: Brian Lawton speculating  
pjcas18 : 8/15/2017 10:02 am : link
In comment 13560808 pganut said:
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That Pastrnak may be moved by Boston over contract issues.


I heard that too, I think it's smoke, but would be thrilled, he's a unique talent.

One of the best young players in the game.

I hope they trade him.
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feelflows : 8/15/2017 10:05 am : link
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Supposedly, there are a couple of college players that become free agents today. I don't know if they are any good, but this is what the Rangers did with players like Hayes and Vesey. They sign these type of players since they trade away their top draft picks.



Will Butcher is the "big" name this year. I read the Red Wings are the front runner.



Red wings need to create some space. They still have two guys to sign and no room. A lot of NTC on that team.



And a crowded roster. I think there will still be some moves this off-season, whether it's trades, cuts, etc.

Butcher is one of the few small defenseman I don't hate, maybe because I watched him play in the World Juniors.

I'd like to see the Canadiens sign him, but all these college FA's that are high profile want NHL contracts and a legit chance at PT.


Red Wings still haven't signed their own small young dman in Russo. If he surprised if they made a push.
RE: Brian Lawton speculating  
feelflows : 8/15/2017 10:07 am : link
In comment 13560808 pganut said:
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That Pastrnak may be moved by Boston over contract issues.


Not many teams have the pieces or willingness to give up to get him. To put it nicely, they can't afford to have another Seguin return. They got fleeced.
Pastrnak  
Deej : 8/15/2017 10:10 am : link
Im not putting anything past Boston. They traded Seguin and Hamilton and Jacobs is a cheap owner.
RE: Pastrnak  
feelflows : 8/15/2017 10:12 am : link
In comment 13560821 Deej said:
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Im not putting anything past Boston. They traded Seguin and Hamilton and Jacobs is a cheap owner.


And don't forget fan favorite Johnny Boychuk
RE: RE: Brian Lawton speculating  
pjcas18 : 8/15/2017 10:12 am : link
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That Pastrnak may be moved by Boston over contract issues.



Not many teams have the pieces or willingness to give up to get him. To put it nicely, they can't afford to have another Seguin return. They got fleeced.


Edmonton? Chiarelli? Maybe RNH and some picks?

RNH has been on the block for a while.

I don't see why the Bruins would pay RNH though and not Pastrnak.

Pastrnak is a 20-year old 70 point scorer, if not for McDavid, Matthews and Laine, Pastrnak could be the brightest young star in the league.

And hate to say it, he's not that far behind them.

I think this is motivational smoke.
RE: Pastrnak  
BillKo : 8/15/2017 11:09 am : link
In comment 13560821 Deej said:
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Im not putting anything past Boston. They traded Seguin and Hamilton and Jacobs is a cheap owner.


Seguin had issues with being a professional.....in terms of partying, etc.

Hamilton didn't get along with the coach, and simply wasn't going to resign with the B's (didn't he actually end up signing for less than what Boston offered?).

I doubt they get rid of Pastrnak.........would be a major step backwards.
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pjcas18 : 8/15/2017 11:20 am : link
In comment 13560932 BillKo said:
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Im not putting anything past Boston. They traded Seguin and Hamilton and Jacobs is a cheap owner.



Seguin had issues with being a professional.....in terms of partying, etc.

Hamilton didn't get along with the coach, and simply wasn't going to resign with the B's (didn't he actually end up signing for less than what Boston offered?).

I doubt they get rid of Pastrnak.........would be a major step backwards.


Agree trading Pastrnak makes no sense, but Seguin is on the Bruins.

Chicago had a similar problem with Kane and they dealt with it.

hockey players partying is about as common as teenagers using cell phones, that's on the team IMO to handle, especially with a talent like Seguin.

They're tried to spin it so hard, and even secretly leaked the reports of Seguin sleeping with players wives, and showing the war room (totally staged IMO) on behind the B.

The Bruins F-ed that up, severely.

RE: RE: RE: Pastrnak  
BillKo : 8/15/2017 11:27 am : link
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Im not putting anything past Boston. They traded Seguin and Hamilton and Jacobs is a cheap owner.



Seguin had issues with being a professional.....in terms of partying, etc.

Hamilton didn't get along with the coach, and simply wasn't going to resign with the B's (didn't he actually end up signing for less than what Boston offered?).

I doubt they get rid of Pastrnak.........would be a major step backwards.



Agree trading Pastrnak makes no sense, but Seguin is on the Bruins.

Chicago had a similar problem with Kane and they dealt with it.

hockey players partying is about as common as teenagers using cell phones, that's on the team IMO to handle, especially with a talent like Seguin.

They're tried to spin it so hard, and even secretly leaked the reports of Seguin sleeping with players wives, and showing the war room (totally staged IMO) on behind the B.

The Bruins F-ed that up, severely.


PJ - agree on that, I thought trading Seguin was bad. Sometimes, you put up with stuff when you have talent like that.

As much as I liked Hamilton, he wasn't resigning with the Bruins. He wanted out and wasn't even acknowledging their offers, which were quite good as I remember.
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pjcas18 : 8/15/2017 11:36 am : link
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Im not putting anything past Boston. They traded Seguin and Hamilton and Jacobs is a cheap owner.



Seguin had issues with being a professional.....in terms of partying, etc.

Hamilton didn't get along with the coach, and simply wasn't going to resign with the B's (didn't he actually end up signing for less than what Boston offered?).

I doubt they get rid of Pastrnak.........would be a major step backwards.



Agree trading Pastrnak makes no sense, but Seguin is on the Bruins.

Chicago had a similar problem with Kane and they dealt with it.

hockey players partying is about as common as teenagers using cell phones, that's on the team IMO to handle, especially with a talent like Seguin.

They're tried to spin it so hard, and even secretly leaked the reports of Seguin sleeping with players wives, and showing the war room (totally staged IMO) on behind the B.

The Bruins F-ed that up, severely.




PJ - agree on that, I thought trading Seguin was bad. Sometimes, you put up with stuff when you have talent like that.

As much as I liked Hamilton, he wasn't resigning with the Bruins. He wanted out and wasn't even acknowledging their offers, which were quite good as I remember.


I thought Hamilton was pissed because they wouldn't sign or trade for his older brother or some bullshit like that.

If the player won't sign, then yeah get something for him, but I remember reading some weird stuff going on there.
Great guy, tries hard, loves the game..  
Davisian : 8/15/2017 12:38 pm : link
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RE: Great guy, tries hard, loves the game..  
pjcas18 : 8/15/2017 12:40 pm : link
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hates the corners.

I said I'm coming around. I love him trolling the reporter, so that's a start and there's no denying he's got that sniper quality a lot of teams lack. You need guys who can light the lamp like Kessel.
FWIW, Pronman's Prospect Pipeline Rankings  
pganut : 8/15/2017 1:09 pm : link
For the teams represented by most on our hockey threads (Flyers, Coyotes, Preds ranked 1,2 & 3):

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4. New York Islanders
Previous rank: 7

The Islanders are regularly high on my farm rankings, but not always high in the NHL standings, with several promising names over the years fizzling out. This year's crop is headlined by Mathew Barzal, one of the most dynamic playmakers I've scouted. Josh Ho-Sang's solid NHL debut this past spring helped ease some concerns, and he looks like a premium prospect again. Ilya Sorokin is one of the best goalie prospects in hockey, but it remains a mystery when he'll come over from Russia. The depth here is good as well.

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5. New Jersey Devils
Previous rank: 19

The Devils' system was kind of awful prior to the 2017 draft. But after getting Nico Hischier with the No. 1 pick and drafting well in the later rounds, their future looks substantially brighter. Mike McLeod, Joey Anderson, Blake Speers and John Quenneville supplement Hischier, and the depth behind them is decent.

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23. Montreal Canadiens
Previous rank: 15

Montreal was one of the hardest systems to evaluate. From middle-round picks like Victor Mete looking fantastic, first-rounders like Nikita Scherbak and Noah Juulsen not dominating like you'd hope, to top prospect Martin Reway having to miss a season with a heart condition, there's a lot of uncertainty with this group.

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29. New York Rangers
Previous rank: 28


The good news: The Rangers brought in a decent amount of talent at the 2017 draft. The bad news: There was so little in the system prior to the 2017 class -- thanks to dealing away early-round picks in previous seasons -- that it brings the system just a notch above awful. The Rangers have tried to plug the holes with free-agent signings and the depth isn't horrible, but there isn't a lot here.


Ranked #1-31: PHI, AZ, NSH, NYI, NJD, MN, TB, STL, VAN, BOS, BUF, OTT, TOR, LV, CAR, COL, LAK, WPG, DAL, COL, ANA, FLA, MTL, DET, CGY, WAS, CHI, EDM, NYR, SJ, PIT
Don Sweeney  
pjcas18 : 8/15/2017 1:13 pm : link
says unequivocally "we're not trading Pastrnak" so is that the kiss of death or are they really not trading him?

Seriously I doubt they trade him; I believe Sweeney is being honest.
Seems the Habs could be in play for Butcher  
pjcas18 : 8/15/2017 1:19 pm : link
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Jimmy Murphy‏Verified account @MurphysLaw74

Just got a text from an NHL exec after my #WillButcher tweets: "#Habs are more than a wild card!"
RE: Don Sweeney  
BillKo : 8/15/2017 1:42 pm : link
In comment 13561178 pjcas18 said:
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says unequivocally "we're not trading Pastrnak" so is that the kiss of death or are they really not trading him?

Seriously I doubt they trade him; I believe Sweeney is being honest.


I think he's being honest too. They have cap space, he's their most dynamic player (thru the entire system - no replacment), he likes Boston, and they like him - even made him the centerpiece on some trip to China.

It's just a matter of working out the money which is always an issue.

Hey, remember when LT was toying with going to the Eagles when he held out in 1990 pre season? LOL
I still think Kessel should have gotten the Conn Smythe in 2016.  
BrettNYG10 : 8/15/2017 2:05 pm : link
Suck it, pj.
RE: I still think Kessel should have gotten the Conn Smythe in 2016.  
pjcas18 : 8/15/2017 2:12 pm : link
In comment 13561261 BrettNYG10 said:
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Suck it, pj.


He had big goals, I wouldn't have argued with it - I thought a case could even be made for Couture in a losing effort, but still felt like every game of the series/playoffs pretty much that Crosby was the best player on the ice.

I even thought a case could be made for Crosby winning it in 2009 as awesome as Malkin was. But again, had no major issue with Malkin winning.
RE: I still think Kessel should have gotten the Conn Smythe in 2016.  
Rover : 8/15/2017 2:44 pm : link
In comment 13561261 BrettNYG10 said:
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Suck it, pj.

Agreed, he should have but the Canadian media had a grudge.
My Isles thread was deleted  
feelflows : 8/15/2017 5:23 pm : link
I guess there is a movement to condense threads.

Can we talk isles here without deletion?
...  
BrettNYG10 : 8/15/2017 5:35 pm : link
It was deleted because someone made a post criticizing the mods.

I don't see why that single post couldn't have been deleted.
lolisles..  
Davisian : 8/15/2017 5:52 pm : link
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RE: FWIW, Pronman's Prospect Pipeline Rankings  
Deej : 8/15/2017 6:28 pm : link
In comment 13561166 pganut said:
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4. New York Islanders
Previous rank: 7

The Islanders are regularly high on my farm rankings, but not always high in the NHL standings, with several promising names over the years fizzling out. This year's crop is headlined by Mathew Barzal, one of the most dynamic playmakers I've scouted. Josh Ho-Sang's solid NHL debut this past spring helped ease some concerns, and he looks like a premium prospect again. Ilya Sorokin is one of the best goalie prospects in hockey, but it remains a mystery when he'll come over from Russia. The depth here is good as well.


29. New York Rangers
Previous rank: 28

The good news: The Rangers brought in a decent amount of talent at the 2017 draft. The bad news: There was so little in the system prior to the 2017 class -- thanks to dealing away early-round picks in previous seasons -- that it brings the system just a notch above awful. The Rangers have tried to plug the holes with free-agent signings and the depth isn't horrible, but there isn't a lot here.


Good and fair writeups. The Islanders system reminds me so much of the Mets system the previous decade -- you'd hear great things and then the players would never pan out.

We Rangers fans are lying to ourselves by looking at guys who have now made the roster and the NCAA FAs. We may get very little help from the 2014-16 draft.
Deej  
pganut : 8/15/2017 6:37 pm : link
Agreed. You guys have done well with the choice NCAA UFAs and the loophole guys. Jury's still out on Day, tho, IMO.

Davidson, take off, hoser. I'd ask you how you're doing but remembered I don't care. Well, maybe a little...
Pronman  
feelflows : 8/15/2017 7:25 pm : link
Is secretly an Islanders fan. He was spooging at their picks.
RE: Pronman  
feelflows : 8/15/2017 9:23 pm : link
In comment 13561631 feelflows said:
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Is secretly an Islanders fan. He was spooging at their picks.


OK, I don't think it was Pronman.. it was a Toronto reporter. Still.. his ranking seems a bit high.
RE: Deej  
Deej : 8/16/2017 9:10 am : link
In comment 13561594 pganut said:
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Agreed. You guys have done well with the choice NCAA UFAs and the loophole guys. Jury's still out on Day, tho, IMO.

Davidson, take off, hoser. I'd ask you how you're doing but remembered I don't care. Well, maybe a little...


Yeah, Day's problems are 100% mental, which to me means he may never amount to anything.

Although I reject the idea that he's boom or bust. Because of his skating ability, he could end up a servicable 6/7 dman. We see it all the time. E.g. Eminger and John Moore. It's a classic error -- confusing high ability/ceiling guys with boom or bust.
the more I think of a player like Butcher  
feelflows : 8/16/2017 10:08 am : link
the more it makes sense for a cap strapped team.

Signing him will take up a spot relatively inexpensively ($925K, with up to $2.85M in bonus?). This allows them to possibly move a more expensive player for picks.

I haven't looked into it with NTC and who is available, but if it's Detroit (for example), maybe trade a player like Kronwall and free up almost $5M in cap space. He has 2 years left with a total of $5.25M.

Teams can be creative.
RE: the more I think of a player like Butcher  
pjcas18 : 8/16/2017 10:13 am : link
In comment 13562022 feelflows said:
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the more it makes sense for a cap strapped team.

Signing him will take up a spot relatively inexpensively ($925K, with up to $2.85M in bonus?). This allows them to possibly move a more expensive player for picks.

I haven't looked into it with NTC and who is available, but if it's Detroit (for example), maybe trade a player like Kronwall and free up almost $5M in cap space. He has 2 years left with a total of $5.25M.

Teams can be creative.

That Mike Green contract is a killer. He's still getting paid off two great years in Washington. He's not that player anymore.

RE: RE: the more I think of a player like Butcher  
feelflows : 8/16/2017 10:16 am : link
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the more it makes sense for a cap strapped team.

Signing him will take up a spot relatively inexpensively ($925K, with up to $2.85M in bonus?). This allows them to possibly move a more expensive player for picks.

I haven't looked into it with NTC and who is available, but if it's Detroit (for example), maybe trade a player like Kronwall and free up almost $5M in cap space. He has 2 years left with a total of $5.25M.

Teams can be creative.


That Mike Green contract is a killer. He's still getting paid off two great years in Washington. He's not that player anymore.


haha.. I looked at that on NHL numbers for lest than 1/2 a second and passed by it. It shocks me who gave that to him..very uncharacteristic.
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feelflows : 8/16/2017 10:18 am : link
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the more it makes sense for a cap strapped team.

Signing him will take up a spot relatively inexpensively ($925K, with up to $2.85M in bonus?). This allows them to possibly move a more expensive player for picks.

I haven't looked into it with NTC and who is available, but if it's Detroit (for example), maybe trade a player like Kronwall and free up almost $5M in cap space. He has 2 years left with a total of $5.25M.

Teams can be creative.


That Mike Green contract is a killer. He's still getting paid off two great years in Washington. He's not that player anymore.




haha.. I looked at that on NHL numbers for lest than 1/2 a second and passed by it. It shocks me who gave that to him..very uncharacteristic.


let me re-state that.. who took on that contract, even for just one year.

I know he didn't sign him to a 5 year long term deal at $6M, but Holland usually doesn't tie up that much cap on players like Green.
so..Green signed a 3 year $18M deal with Detroit  
feelflows : 8/16/2017 10:21 am : link
he has been so far:

-6
-20

35pts
36pts

8 PPG in 2 years (he was supposed to be their potent PP QB)

yikes
More prospect rankings  
pganut : 8/16/2017 11:24 am : link
Pronman came out with his list of top 100 prospects for the 2017-18 season today. His methodology: a player is no longer a prospect if they play 25 games or more in any NHL season, or more than 50 total in their career. I won't post all the writeups, but as far as the key rankings for BBI followers:

Skaters: 1. Clayton Keller, AZ; 2. Nico Hischier, NJD; 3. Mathew Barzal, NYI; 36. Ryan Poehling, MTL; 39. Josh Ho-Sang, NYI; 47. Lias Andersson, NYR; 55. Mike McLeod, NJD; 61. Joni Ikonen, MTL; 62. Joey Anderson, NJD; 81. Kieffer Bellows, NYI; 87. Victor Mete, MTL
Honorable mention - Filip Chytil, NYR; Michael Dal Colle, NYI, Noah Juulsen, MTL; John Quenneville & Blake Speers, NJD

Goalies: 1. Juuse Saros, NSH; 2. Ilya Samsonov, WAS; 3. Ilya Sorokin, NYI; 5. Igor Shesterkin, NYR; 11. Linus Soderstrom, NYI
Honorable mention - Mackenzie Blackwood, NJD; Adam Huska, NYR
I have no idea why Detroit isn't embracing a rebuild  
MetsAreBack : 8/16/2017 12:56 pm : link

Although philly hasn't exactly either and I was surprised to read above has the best prospect system in the league now. Is hextall really that good an executive? I guess he learned from some good ones in LA
Keller  
pjcas18 : 8/16/2017 1:03 pm : link
over Hischier? I like Keller a lot but that's a great compliment and i doubt he's a better prospect IMO.

and where is Nolan Patrick? 4?

Ryan Poehling and Joni Ikonen both looked like NHL centers at the summer showcase, though they were playing against players their own age so projection isn't always easy.

Lias Andersson looked great too.

Joey Anderson impressed me too.
Surprised to see Ho-Sang  
Metnut : 8/16/2017 1:05 pm : link
ranked so low given that the writer seemed favorably disposed toward the Islanders' system as a whole. Admittedly, I'm not familiar with most of the dozens of players ranked above Ho-Sang, but the kid looked electric in actual NHL action last year during a (sort of) playoff push. He was gaining uncontested zone entries with ease and create numerous scoring chances a game while hanging in there on his own end. Really can't wait to see how his next season looks.
pj - Top 10 as follows  
pganut : 8/16/2017 1:36 pm : link
1. Keller, 2. Hischier, 3. Barzal, 4. Charlie McAvoy (BOS), 5. Nolan Patrick (PHI), 6. Dylan Strome (AZ), 7. Alexander Nylander (BUF), 8. Tyson Jost (COL), 9. Gabe Vilardi (LAK), 10. Casey Mittelstadt (BUF)

Metnut, I agree with you; Ho-Sang should be much higher. It's inconsistent to me he'd even place a guy like Kailer Yamamoto at #35, who is all of 5'7", 150 and hasn't shown he can play with men, whereas you at least had a favorable sample size to see the dynamic of JHS's game. I also think given the criteria Pronman gave, surprised that Ryan Pulock wouldn't be considered a top 10/20 prospect.
McAvoy is awesome  
pjcas18 : 8/16/2017 1:41 pm : link
between him and Brandon Carlo, Sweeney is redeeming himself for some bad picks in 2015 and rebuilding the Bruins defense.

RE: McAvoy is awesome  
feelflows : 8/16/2017 1:56 pm : link
In comment 13562260 pjcas18 said:
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between him and Brandon Carlo, Sweeney is redeeming himself for some bad picks in 2015 and rebuilding the Bruins defense.


I LOVE McAvoy's game. I think he's going to be a stud.
Should certainly be interesting to see the development  
pganut : 8/16/2017 2:01 pm : link
Of the emerging US D men like McAvoy, Werenski, Jones, Hanifin, Ghost, etc. The Finns have been churning out quality young D talent for a while, glad to see some Americans making an impact.
RE: Should certainly be interesting to see the development  
pjcas18 : 8/16/2017 2:12 pm : link
In comment 13562283 pganut said:
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Of the emerging US D men like McAvoy, Werenski, Jones, Hanifin, Ghost, etc. The Finns have been churning out quality young D talent for a while, glad to see some Americans making an impact.


I like Adam Fox a lot too (Calgary prospect) he's like a "Werenski light" IMO. If I'm starting a franchise now and have to pick 1 D to grow with it's Werenski.

Potential Norris candidate in a year or two for the next 8 years IMO.
Edmonton locks up Draisaitl  
Kyle in NY : 8/16/2017 2:21 pm : link
8 x 8.5
RE: Edmonton locks up Draisaitl  
pjcas18 : 8/16/2017 2:24 pm : link
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8 x 8.5


that's a lot IMO, not good for the Bruins (Pastrnak)
RE: Edmonton locks up Draisaitl  
feelflows : 8/16/2017 2:26 pm : link
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8 x 8.5


my math maybe incorrect, but that means starting 2018,between Draisaitl and McDavid they have $21M locked up??

I wonder where RHN is being traded to haha
RE: RE: Edmonton locks up Draisaitl  
pjcas18 : 8/16/2017 2:28 pm : link
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8 x 8.5



my math maybe incorrect, but that means starting 2018,between Draisaitl and McDavid they have $21M locked up??

I wonder where RHN is being traded to haha


I'd say the Canadiens (only because they'd be rumored to be discussing him before the Galchenyuk contract), but Galchenyuk is the only one who makes sense, but he makes 5M (1M savings) so it wouldn't be worth it.

RE: RE: RE: Edmonton locks up Draisaitl  
feelflows : 8/16/2017 2:54 pm : link
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my math maybe incorrect, but that means starting 2018,between Draisaitl and McDavid they have $21M locked up??

I wonder where RHN is being traded to haha



I'd say the Canadiens (only because they'd be rumored to be discussing him before the Galchenyuk contract), but Galchenyuk is the only one who makes sense, but he makes 5M (1M savings) so it wouldn't be worth it.


I'd love for the Isles to pry Lucic
I cant root hard enough against EDM  
Deej : 8/16/2017 3:58 pm : link
They have the #1, 1, 1, 7, 3, 1, and 4 overall in 6 successive drafts, finally landing the generational talent. If/when McJesus wins them a cup, it will be cheapened by that drafting history. Although to be fair they did not tank all those years -- it was incompetence.
RE: I cant root hard enough against EDM  
pjcas18 : 8/16/2017 4:28 pm : link
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They have the #1, 1, 1, 7, 3, 1, and 4 overall in 6 successive drafts, finally landing the generational talent. If/when McJesus wins them a cup, it will be cheapened by that drafting history. Although to be fair they did not tank all those years -- it was incompetence.


Balance of power shifting to the West? Despite the Blackhawks and Kings cups, I felt like the East had more good teams.

But the youth in places like EDM, WIN, CAL, (all Canadian cities too obviously) creates some new excitement.

Not sure a team in the East has that kind of youth and talent outside the Leafs. Maybe Buffalo.

Matt Cullen  
pjcas18 : 8/16/2017 4:40 pm : link
opts to not retire and signs with the WIld
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