just wanted to see if there was any hockey news floating around as we're about 4 weeks out from NHL training camp.
Only thing I've heard is the NHL closed a loophole on the olympics, you can't have any type of NHL contract, and even be in the AHL and participate (some players were hoping to get sent down for two weeks to go).
Canadiens have cap room that lead the MTL reporters on some wild speculations that there is a trade coming, but nothing I've read imminent.
And then there's this. my hatred of Phil Kessel (hockey hate) has been well chronicled, but then he trolled a Toronto reporter who use to complain about fat lazy Kessel saying he used to eat hot dogs from street vendors every day with this and he had a caption "hot dogs taste better out of the cup":
So I'm coming around a little on Kessel.
Will Butcher is the "big" name this year. I read the Red Wings are the front runner.
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Supposedly, there are a couple of college players that become free agents today. I don't know if they are any good, but this is what the Rangers did with players like Hayes and Vesey. They sign these type of players since they trade away their top draft picks.
Will Butcher is the "big" name this year. I read the Red Wings are the front runner.
Red wings need to create some space. They still have two guys to sign and no room. A lot of NTC on that team.
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Supposedly, there are a couple of college players that become free agents today. I don't know if they are any good, but this is what the Rangers did with players like Hayes and Vesey. They sign these type of players since they trade away their top draft picks.
Will Butcher is the "big" name this year. I read the Red Wings are the front runner.
Red wings need to create some space. They still have two guys to sign and no room. A lot of NTC on that team.
And a crowded roster. I think there will still be some moves this off-season, whether it's trades, cuts, etc.
Butcher is one of the few small defenseman I don't hate, maybe because I watched him play in the World Juniors.
I'd like to see the Canadiens sign him, but all these college FA's that are high profile want NHL contracts and a legit chance at PT.
I heard that too, I think it's smoke, but would be thrilled, he's a unique talent.
One of the best young players in the game.
I hope they trade him.
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Supposedly, there are a couple of college players that become free agents today. I don't know if they are any good, but this is what the Rangers did with players like Hayes and Vesey. They sign these type of players since they trade away their top draft picks.
Will Butcher is the "big" name this year. I read the Red Wings are the front runner.
Red wings need to create some space. They still have two guys to sign and no room. A lot of NTC on that team.
And a crowded roster. I think there will still be some moves this off-season, whether it's trades, cuts, etc.
Butcher is one of the few small defenseman I don't hate, maybe because I watched him play in the World Juniors.
I'd like to see the Canadiens sign him, but all these college FA's that are high profile want NHL contracts and a legit chance at PT.
Red Wings still haven't signed their own small young dman in Russo. If he surprised if they made a push.
Not many teams have the pieces or willingness to give up to get him. To put it nicely, they can't afford to have another Seguin return. They got fleeced.
And don't forget fan favorite Johnny Boychuk
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That Pastrnak may be moved by Boston over contract issues.
Not many teams have the pieces or willingness to give up to get him. To put it nicely, they can't afford to have another Seguin return. They got fleeced.
Edmonton? Chiarelli? Maybe RNH and some picks?
RNH has been on the block for a while.
I don't see why the Bruins would pay RNH though and not Pastrnak.
Pastrnak is a 20-year old 70 point scorer, if not for McDavid, Matthews and Laine, Pastrnak could be the brightest young star in the league.
And hate to say it, he's not that far behind them.
I think this is motivational smoke.
Seguin had issues with being a professional.....in terms of partying, etc.
Hamilton didn't get along with the coach, and simply wasn't going to resign with the B's (didn't he actually end up signing for less than what Boston offered?).
I doubt they get rid of Pastrnak.........would be a major step backwards.
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Im not putting anything past Boston. They traded Seguin and Hamilton and Jacobs is a cheap owner.
Seguin had issues with being a professional.....in terms of partying, etc.
Hamilton didn't get along with the coach, and simply wasn't going to resign with the B's (didn't he actually end up signing for less than what Boston offered?).
I doubt they get rid of Pastrnak.........would be a major step backwards.
Agree trading Pastrnak makes no sense, but Seguin is on the Bruins.
Chicago had a similar problem with Kane and they dealt with it.
hockey players partying is about as common as teenagers using cell phones, that's on the team IMO to handle, especially with a talent like Seguin.
They're tried to spin it so hard, and even secretly leaked the reports of Seguin sleeping with players wives, and showing the war room (totally staged IMO) on behind the B.
The Bruins F-ed that up, severely.
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Im not putting anything past Boston. They traded Seguin and Hamilton and Jacobs is a cheap owner.
Seguin had issues with being a professional.....in terms of partying, etc.
Hamilton didn't get along with the coach, and simply wasn't going to resign with the B's (didn't he actually end up signing for less than what Boston offered?).
I doubt they get rid of Pastrnak.........would be a major step backwards.
Agree trading Pastrnak makes no sense, but Seguin is on the Bruins.
Chicago had a similar problem with Kane and they dealt with it.
hockey players partying is about as common as teenagers using cell phones, that's on the team IMO to handle, especially with a talent like Seguin.
They're tried to spin it so hard, and even secretly leaked the reports of Seguin sleeping with players wives, and showing the war room (totally staged IMO) on behind the B.
The Bruins F-ed that up, severely.
PJ - agree on that, I thought trading Seguin was bad. Sometimes, you put up with stuff when you have talent like that.
As much as I liked Hamilton, he wasn't resigning with the Bruins. He wanted out and wasn't even acknowledging their offers, which were quite good as I remember.
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Im not putting anything past Boston. They traded Seguin and Hamilton and Jacobs is a cheap owner.
Seguin had issues with being a professional.....in terms of partying, etc.
Hamilton didn't get along with the coach, and simply wasn't going to resign with the B's (didn't he actually end up signing for less than what Boston offered?).
I doubt they get rid of Pastrnak.........would be a major step backwards.
Agree trading Pastrnak makes no sense, but Seguin is on the Bruins.
Chicago had a similar problem with Kane and they dealt with it.
hockey players partying is about as common as teenagers using cell phones, that's on the team IMO to handle, especially with a talent like Seguin.
They're tried to spin it so hard, and even secretly leaked the reports of Seguin sleeping with players wives, and showing the war room (totally staged IMO) on behind the B.
The Bruins F-ed that up, severely.
PJ - agree on that, I thought trading Seguin was bad. Sometimes, you put up with stuff when you have talent like that.
As much as I liked Hamilton, he wasn't resigning with the Bruins. He wanted out and wasn't even acknowledging their offers, which were quite good as I remember.
I thought Hamilton was pissed because they wouldn't sign or trade for his older brother or some bullshit like that.
If the player won't sign, then yeah get something for him, but I remember reading some weird stuff going on there.
hates the corners.
I said I'm coming around. I love him trolling the reporter, so that's a start and there's no denying he's got that sniper quality a lot of teams lack. You need guys who can light the lamp like Kessel.
Previous rank: 7
The Islanders are regularly high on my farm rankings, but not always high in the NHL standings, with several promising names over the years fizzling out. This year's crop is headlined by Mathew Barzal, one of the most dynamic playmakers I've scouted. Josh Ho-Sang's solid NHL debut this past spring helped ease some concerns, and he looks like a premium prospect again. Ilya Sorokin is one of the best goalie prospects in hockey, but it remains a mystery when he'll come over from Russia. The depth here is good as well.
Previous rank: 19
The Devils' system was kind of awful prior to the 2017 draft. But after getting Nico Hischier with the No. 1 pick and drafting well in the later rounds, their future looks substantially brighter. Mike McLeod, Joey Anderson, Blake Speers and John Quenneville supplement Hischier, and the depth behind them is decent.
Previous rank: 15
Montreal was one of the hardest systems to evaluate. From middle-round picks like Victor Mete looking fantastic, first-rounders like Nikita Scherbak and Noah Juulsen not dominating like you'd hope, to top prospect Martin Reway having to miss a season with a heart condition, there's a lot of uncertainty with this group.
Previous rank: 28
The good news: The Rangers brought in a decent amount of talent at the 2017 draft. The bad news: There was so little in the system prior to the 2017 class -- thanks to dealing away early-round picks in previous seasons -- that it brings the system just a notch above awful. The Rangers have tried to plug the holes with free-agent signings and the depth isn't horrible, but there isn't a lot here.
Ranked #1-31: PHI, AZ, NSH, NYI, NJD, MN, TB, STL, VAN, BOS, BUF, OTT, TOR, LV, CAR, COL, LAK, WPG, DAL, COL, ANA, FLA, MTL, DET, CGY, WAS, CHI, EDM, NYR, SJ, PIT
Seriously I doubt they trade him; I believe Sweeney is being honest.
Just got a text from an NHL exec after my #WillButcher tweets: "#Habs are more than a wild card!"
Seriously I doubt they trade him; I believe Sweeney is being honest.
I think he's being honest too. They have cap space, he's their most dynamic player (thru the entire system - no replacment), he likes Boston, and they like him - even made him the centerpiece on some trip to China.
It's just a matter of working out the money which is always an issue.
Hey, remember when LT was toying with going to the Eagles when he held out in 1990 pre season? LOL
He had big goals, I wouldn't have argued with it - I thought a case could even be made for Couture in a losing effort, but still felt like every game of the series/playoffs pretty much that Crosby was the best player on the ice.
I even thought a case could be made for Crosby winning it in 2009 as awesome as Malkin was. But again, had no major issue with Malkin winning.
Agreed, he should have but the Canadian media had a grudge.
Can we talk isles here without deletion?
I don't see why that single post couldn't have been deleted.
4. New York Islanders
Previous rank: 7
The Islanders are regularly high on my farm rankings, but not always high in the NHL standings, with several promising names over the years fizzling out. This year's crop is headlined by Mathew Barzal, one of the most dynamic playmakers I've scouted. Josh Ho-Sang's solid NHL debut this past spring helped ease some concerns, and he looks like a premium prospect again. Ilya Sorokin is one of the best goalie prospects in hockey, but it remains a mystery when he'll come over from Russia. The depth here is good as well.
29. New York Rangers
Previous rank: 28
The good news: The Rangers brought in a decent amount of talent at the 2017 draft. The bad news: There was so little in the system prior to the 2017 class -- thanks to dealing away early-round picks in previous seasons -- that it brings the system just a notch above awful. The Rangers have tried to plug the holes with free-agent signings and the depth isn't horrible, but there isn't a lot here.
Good and fair writeups. The Islanders system reminds me so much of the Mets system the previous decade -- you'd hear great things and then the players would never pan out.
We Rangers fans are lying to ourselves by looking at guys who have now made the roster and the NCAA FAs. We may get very little help from the 2014-16 draft.
Davidson, take off, hoser. I'd ask you how you're doing but remembered I don't care. Well, maybe a little...
OK, I don't think it was Pronman.. it was a Toronto reporter. Still.. his ranking seems a bit high.
Davidson, take off, hoser. I'd ask you how you're doing but remembered I don't care. Well, maybe a little...
Yeah, Day's problems are 100% mental, which to me means he may never amount to anything.
Although I reject the idea that he's boom or bust. Because of his skating ability, he could end up a servicable 6/7 dman. We see it all the time. E.g. Eminger and John Moore. It's a classic error -- confusing high ability/ceiling guys with boom or bust.
Signing him will take up a spot relatively inexpensively ($925K, with up to $2.85M in bonus?). This allows them to possibly move a more expensive player for picks.
I haven't looked into it with NTC and who is available, but if it's Detroit (for example), maybe trade a player like Kronwall and free up almost $5M in cap space. He has 2 years left with a total of $5.25M.
Teams can be creative.
Signing him will take up a spot relatively inexpensively ($925K, with up to $2.85M in bonus?). This allows them to possibly move a more expensive player for picks.
I haven't looked into it with NTC and who is available, but if it's Detroit (for example), maybe trade a player like Kronwall and free up almost $5M in cap space. He has 2 years left with a total of $5.25M.
Teams can be creative.
That Mike Green contract is a killer. He's still getting paid off two great years in Washington. He's not that player anymore.
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the more it makes sense for a cap strapped team.
Signing him will take up a spot relatively inexpensively ($925K, with up to $2.85M in bonus?). This allows them to possibly move a more expensive player for picks.
I haven't looked into it with NTC and who is available, but if it's Detroit (for example), maybe trade a player like Kronwall and free up almost $5M in cap space. He has 2 years left with a total of $5.25M.
Teams can be creative.
That Mike Green contract is a killer. He's still getting paid off two great years in Washington. He's not that player anymore.
haha.. I looked at that on NHL numbers for lest than 1/2 a second and passed by it. It shocks me who gave that to him..very uncharacteristic.
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the more it makes sense for a cap strapped team.
Signing him will take up a spot relatively inexpensively ($925K, with up to $2.85M in bonus?). This allows them to possibly move a more expensive player for picks.
I haven't looked into it with NTC and who is available, but if it's Detroit (for example), maybe trade a player like Kronwall and free up almost $5M in cap space. He has 2 years left with a total of $5.25M.
Teams can be creative.
That Mike Green contract is a killer. He's still getting paid off two great years in Washington. He's not that player anymore.
haha.. I looked at that on NHL numbers for lest than 1/2 a second and passed by it. It shocks me who gave that to him..very uncharacteristic.
let me re-state that.. who took on that contract, even for just one year.
I know he didn't sign him to a 5 year long term deal at $6M, but Holland usually doesn't tie up that much cap on players like Green.
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-20
35pts
36pts
8 PPG in 2 years (he was supposed to be their potent PP QB)
yikes
Skaters: 1. Clayton Keller, AZ; 2. Nico Hischier, NJD; 3. Mathew Barzal, NYI; 36. Ryan Poehling, MTL; 39. Josh Ho-Sang, NYI; 47. Lias Andersson, NYR; 55. Mike McLeod, NJD; 61. Joni Ikonen, MTL; 62. Joey Anderson, NJD; 81. Kieffer Bellows, NYI; 87. Victor Mete, MTL
Honorable mention - Filip Chytil, NYR; Michael Dal Colle, NYI, Noah Juulsen, MTL; John Quenneville & Blake Speers, NJD
Goalies: 1. Juuse Saros, NSH; 2. Ilya Samsonov, WAS; 3. Ilya Sorokin, NYI; 5. Igor Shesterkin, NYR; 11. Linus Soderstrom, NYI
Honorable mention - Mackenzie Blackwood, NJD; Adam Huska, NYR
Although philly hasn't exactly either and I was surprised to read above has the best prospect system in the league now. Is hextall really that good an executive? I guess he learned from some good ones in LA
and where is Nolan Patrick? 4?
Ryan Poehling and Joni Ikonen both looked like NHL centers at the summer showcase, though they were playing against players their own age so projection isn't always easy.
Lias Andersson looked great too.
Joey Anderson impressed me too.
Metnut, I agree with you; Ho-Sang should be much higher. It's inconsistent to me he'd even place a guy like Kailer Yamamoto at #35, who is all of 5'7", 150 and hasn't shown he can play with men, whereas you at least had a favorable sample size to see the dynamic of JHS's game. I also think given the criteria Pronman gave, surprised that Ryan Pulock wouldn't be considered a top 10/20 prospect.
I LOVE McAvoy's game. I think he's going to be a stud.
I like Adam Fox a lot too (Calgary prospect) he's like a "Werenski light" IMO. If I'm starting a franchise now and have to pick 1 D to grow with it's Werenski.
Potential Norris candidate in a year or two for the next 8 years IMO.
that's a lot IMO, not good for the Bruins (Pastrnak)
my math maybe incorrect, but that means starting 2018,between Draisaitl and McDavid they have $21M locked up??
I wonder where RHN is being traded to haha
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my math maybe incorrect, but that means starting 2018,between Draisaitl and McDavid they have $21M locked up??
I wonder where RHN is being traded to haha
I'd say the Canadiens (only because they'd be rumored to be discussing him before the Galchenyuk contract), but Galchenyuk is the only one who makes sense, but he makes 5M (1M savings) so it wouldn't be worth it.
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my math maybe incorrect, but that means starting 2018,between Draisaitl and McDavid they have $21M locked up??
I wonder where RHN is being traded to haha
I'd say the Canadiens (only because they'd be rumored to be discussing him before the Galchenyuk contract), but Galchenyuk is the only one who makes sense, but he makes 5M (1M savings) so it wouldn't be worth it.
I'd love for the Isles to pry Lucic
Balance of power shifting to the West? Despite the Blackhawks and Kings cups, I felt like the East had more good teams.
But the youth in places like EDM, WIN, CAL, (all Canadian cities too obviously) creates some new excitement.
Not sure a team in the East has that kind of youth and talent outside the Leafs. Maybe Buffalo.