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Zeke officially appeals league has 10 days for a hearing

pjcas18 : 8/15/2017 5:02 pm
apparently the grounds for his appeal are inconsistencies with the victims story and the victim harassed him.

per twitter.
one tweet  
pjcas18 : 8/15/2017 5:04 pm : link
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Ian Rapoport‏Verified account @RapSheet

Source: #Cowboys RB Ezekiel Elliott has officially filed his notice of appeal of his 6-game suspension with the @NFL. Here we go...


of the many....
I am more interested if he is going to take this to court  
robbieballs2003 : 8/15/2017 5:09 pm : link
if the entire suspension is not lifted.
RE: I am more interested if he is going to take this to court  
pjcas18 : 8/15/2017 5:14 pm : link
In comment 13561497 robbieballs2003 said:
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if the entire suspension is not lifted.


They probably can if they want to drag it out, but it would be the same courts Brady appealed to and they pretty much said Goodell is within his rights per the CBA to suspend Brady, I doubt that changes with any player under this CBA.

the courts were not judging the legitimacy of the suspension on the merit of it, simply the appeals/procedure for the suspension.

His best chance is a reduction, and then just accept it.
I understand the League has 10 days to appeal...  
Pork Chop : 8/15/2017 5:19 pm : link
but if EE keeps looking for venues to appeal, what are the chances that he plays game 1?
the league has 10 days "to respond"  
Pork Chop : 8/15/2017 5:19 pm : link
I'm old
Anf this is why  
TrueBlue56 : 8/15/2017 5:27 pm : link
The suspension will stand. Instead of Elliott accepting any responsibility and or renorse for his actions, he is going to double down on stupid.

The NFL addressed the woman's testimony in their final determination letter.

We will see what happens, but Elliott really has no options in avoiding a suspension
Read the article  
section125 : 8/15/2017 5:28 pm : link
and I am especially troubled by the assertion that the GF said you are a black athlete and I am white, who will they believe? I can believe this and wouldn't be surprised if true.

I am not making comments on whether the abuse took place or not. Would have to believe that the NFL has some pretty credible info to show he did attack her and knowing that JJ would freak out if he was suspended on skimpy info.

I know nothing about her, but why do these guys get themselves caught up with bimbettes?
a date  
pjcas18 : 8/15/2017 5:29 pm : link
for the hearing must be scheduled in the next 10 days, not the actual hearing.

In Brady's case he filed his appeal May 14 (the NFLPA actually did it on his behalf) and the hearing wasn't until June 23. A decision to uphold was made June 28.

and then it went to court an then it dragged on for a year after being nullified by Berman, then reinstated by the NFL, and so on...

so I guess its conceivable Elliott could play week 1, but the Cowboys only grounds after the appeal would be if the suspension and appeal process were not appropriate per CBA and I think the Brady case has already settled that.

I don't think the same court (Berman?) would once again nullify a suspension after being overruled by a higher court, but some legal expert would know more than me.
RE: RE: I am more interested if he is going to take this to court  
robbieballs2003 : 8/15/2017 5:31 pm : link
In comment 13561502 pjcas18 said:
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if the entire suspension is not lifted.



They probably can if they want to drag it out, but it would be the same courts Brady appealed to and they pretty much said Goodell is within his rights per the CBA to suspend Brady, I doubt that changes with any player under this CBA.

the courts were not judging the legitimacy of the suspension on the merit of it, simply the appeals/procedure for the suspension.

His best chance is a reduction, and then just accept it.


My point is that if he takes it to court he is trying to prove his innocence. He is saying that she is inconsistent. He is saying the NFL is cherry picking information. If he gets it reduced and is satisfied with like a 4 game suspension then that is basically and admission of guilty. Even if it is 2 games it is an admission. Imo, he either did something wrong or didn't. If someone accused me of something that bad and it was costing me a lot of money and destroying mmy reputation then I would 100% go to court to clear my name. That is why the appeal doesn't mean much to me right now. Unless this goes to zero games I would expect Zeke to take this further. Does that make sense?
RE: Read the article  
pjcas18 : 8/15/2017 5:31 pm : link
In comment 13561511 section125 said:
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and I am especially troubled by the assertion that the GF said you are a black athlete and I am white, who will they believe? I can believe this and wouldn't be surprised if true.

I am not making comments on whether the abuse took place or not. Would have to believe that the NFL has some pretty credible info to show he did attack her and knowing that JJ would freak out if he was suspended on skimpy info.

I know nothing about her, but why do these guys get themselves caught up with bimbettes?


If you read the letter the league sent to Elliott about his suspension, they claim very little of their decision was based on victim testimony, more of it was based on the photographic evidence, the prosecution/DA evidence, the panel of 3rd party experts, other witnesses and patterns of behavior.

RE: RE: RE: I am more interested if he is going to take this to court  
pjcas18 : 8/15/2017 5:33 pm : link
In comment 13561517 robbieballs2003 said:
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if the entire suspension is not lifted.



They probably can if they want to drag it out, but it would be the same courts Brady appealed to and they pretty much said Goodell is within his rights per the CBA to suspend Brady, I doubt that changes with any player under this CBA.

the courts were not judging the legitimacy of the suspension on the merit of it, simply the appeals/procedure for the suspension.

His best chance is a reduction, and then just accept it.



My point is that if he takes it to court he is trying to prove his innocence. He is saying that she is inconsistent. He is saying the NFL is cherry picking information. If he gets it reduced and is satisfied with like a 4 game suspension then that is basically and admission of guilty. Even if it is 2 games it is an admission. Imo, he either did something wrong or didn't. If someone accused me of something that bad and it was costing me a lot of money and destroying mmy reputation then I would 100% go to court to clear my name. That is why the appeal doesn't mean much to me right now. Unless this goes to zero games I would expect Zeke to take this further. Does that make sense?


There is no allowance from what I know in the NFL CBA to take a NFL discipline case to court because of guilt or innocence. This is not a legal matter per se.

the current CBA outlines the appeal procedures and the decisions are binding. Both sides agreed to this CBA for punishments under the personal conduct policy.
Remember once Brady appealed  
pjcas18 : 8/15/2017 5:36 pm : link
to the courts it was no longer about science or smashing phones or anything else (though everyone in New England became a PSI and weather expert), it was whether or not Goodell was within his rights to suspend Brady and if proper procedure had been followed per the CBA not if he deserved to be suspended based on his actions.
I am not talking about a trial against the woman to clear his name.  
robbieballs2003 : 8/15/2017 5:39 pm : link
My point is that Zeke's team is saying negative stuff about the accuser and the NFL. So, just because the NFL had an investigation doesn't mean that everything they gathered was quality evidence against Zeke. Is the evidence enough to say he did something wrong or not?

Once again, if I didn't do anything wrong then I am taking this as far as I can. That is my point. There isn't any accepting on my part. I am not having my name and bank account tarnished. So, if Zeke did nothing wrong then that ks what I wpuld expect. Anything less tells me he did something wrong amd he is just trying to save face by saying he appealed it and there was nothing he could do after that.
RE: Remember once Brady appealed  
robbieballs2003 : 8/15/2017 5:43 pm : link
In comment 13561526 pjcas18 said:
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to the courts it was no longer about science or smashing phones or anything else (though everyone in New England became a PSI and weather expert), it was whether or not Goodell was within his rights to suspend Brady and if proper procedure had been followed per the CBA not if he deserved to be suspended based on his actions.


But it was about destroying his cell phone. Maybe it wasn't as technical but the court case was about the NFL saying he violated the personal conduct policy or whatever it was. To understand if he violated it they looked at the evidence. With Zeke it wouldn't just be about can the NFL do anything. It would be can they do anything with the evidence they have. That is the key. So, yes, the evidence they collected wpuld be part of the case.
RE: I am not talking about a trial against the woman to clear his name.  
pjcas18 : 8/15/2017 5:46 pm : link
In comment 13561529 robbieballs2003 said:
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My point is that Zeke's team is saying negative stuff about the accuser and the NFL. So, just because the NFL had an investigation doesn't mean that everything they gathered was quality evidence against Zeke. Is the evidence enough to say he did something wrong or not?

Once again, if I didn't do anything wrong then I am taking this as far as I can. That is my point. There isn't any accepting on my part. I am not having my name and bank account tarnished. So, if Zeke did nothing wrong then that ks what I wpuld expect. Anything less tells me he did something wrong amd he is just trying to save face by saying he appealed it and there was nothing he could do after that.


You are missing my point.

I'm telling you this appeal to the league is it. that's as far as he can take the guilt or innocence appeal process.

No further than that no matter what. No court can hear the guilt or innocence discussion because it's not a criminal matter.

the CBA has a process for suspensions under the personal conduct policy and both sides agreed to it, the owners and the NFLPA

He gets one appeal Goodell hears it and makes his decision.

and the NFL determines the penalty.

period.

Elliott is not going to jail, he's not on probation, there are no legal ramifications only employer ramifications. The NFL is a private organization and determined a penalty for him based on their investigation which is unrelated to any legal standing, thresholds for evidence or parliamentary procedure.

He cannot, it's impossible, appeal for his guilt or innocence beyond the hearing the NFL schedules in 10 days.

no matter what, that's what the CBA says that the players and owners agreed to.
RE: RE: Remember once Brady appealed  
pjcas18 : 8/15/2017 5:47 pm : link
In comment 13561531 robbieballs2003 said:
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to the courts it was no longer about science or smashing phones or anything else (though everyone in New England became a PSI and weather expert), it was whether or not Goodell was within his rights to suspend Brady and if proper procedure had been followed per the CBA not if he deserved to be suspended based on his actions.



But it was about destroying his cell phone. Maybe it wasn't as technical but the court case was about the NFL saying he violated the personal conduct policy or whatever it was. To understand if he violated it they looked at the evidence. With Zeke it wouldn't just be about can the NFL do anything. It would be can they do anything with the evidence they have. That is the key. So, yes, the evidence they collected wpuld be part of the case.


Only in the original decision (based on the Wells report) and in Goodell's appeal was brady's cell phone destruction relevant, not in the courts it wasn't.
Robbie  
TrueBlue56 : 8/15/2017 5:51 pm : link
In the NFL's view there was enough evidence to support the decision they made. Elliott can plead his case on his appeal, but he is not really giving the NFL any new evidence or information to change their opinion (imo). The NFL discussed the victims testimony in their letter of discipline.

Elliott can appeal to the courts, but per the CBA he can not appeal on the grounds he is innocent or doesn't agree with their decision. He could only file with a grievance under some fault in procedure and process.

It will be harder for any player to get any court to listen to the case considering the Brady outcome
RE: RE: Read the article  
section125 : 8/15/2017 5:52 pm : link
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and I am especially troubled by the assertion that the GF said you are a black athlete and I am white, who will they believe? I can believe this and wouldn't be surprised if true.

I am not making comments on whether the abuse took place or not. Would have to believe that the NFL has some pretty credible info to show he did attack her and knowing that JJ would freak out if he was suspended on skimpy info.

I know nothing about her, but why do these guys get themselves caught up with bimbettes?



If you read the letter the league sent to Elliott about his suspension, they claim very little of their decision was based on victim testimony, more of it was based on the photographic evidence, the prosecution/DA evidence, the panel of 3rd party experts, other witnesses and patterns of behavior.


That is good, but I am still disturbed by the alleged statement by the victim if true and even more disappointed if it was never said. Classic he said/she said.

I seriously doubt the league wants to take on JJ unless the evidence was pretty solid against him. 6 games means it must be solid.
He's screwed.  
Dave in Hoboken : 8/15/2017 5:52 pm : link
And he's absolutely missing Week 1, so that's what matters most.
Berman overturned the appeal of Brady's suspension because  
pjcas18 : 8/15/2017 5:53 pm : link
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Sept. 3: Tom Brady's four-game suspension is nullified by Judge Richard M. Berman. Brady is now eligible to play for the Patriots in Week 1. One of Berman's key points is that Brady did not receive the proper advance notice to be disciplined by the NFL and information of the kind of penalties he could receive.


I'm telling you once it hit the courts it had nothing to do with the text messages, destroying his phone (even though the judges asked about the potential destruction of evidence), or PSI, it was about was the league within their rights per the CBA to suspend him (procedurally) and did they follow the proper process.
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pjcas18 : 8/15/2017 5:56 pm : link
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and I am especially troubled by the assertion that the GF said you are a black athlete and I am white, who will they believe? I can believe this and wouldn't be surprised if true.

I am not making comments on whether the abuse took place or not. Would have to believe that the NFL has some pretty credible info to show he did attack her and knowing that JJ would freak out if he was suspended on skimpy info.

I know nothing about her, but why do these guys get themselves caught up with bimbettes?



If you read the letter the league sent to Elliott about his suspension, they claim very little of their decision was based on victim testimony, more of it was based on the photographic evidence, the prosecution/DA evidence, the panel of 3rd party experts, other witnesses and patterns of behavior.




That is good, but I am still disturbed by the alleged statement by the victim if true and even more disappointed if it was never said. Classic he said/she said.

I seriously doubt the league wants to take on JJ unless the evidence was pretty solid against him. 6 games means it must be solid.


I agree, she sounds like a scum bag, but it's irrelevant unless Elliott can prove with new evidence to the league he didn't physically assault her.
His legal team  
RetroJint : 8/15/2017 6:03 pm : link
Has already said that they're leaving the NFL as a venue and going to court. Look for the NFL to offer a reduction by half. Elliott will turn it down
As for the merits of the league's position, he was not charged with a crime. The investigation took 18 months. The injuries sustained were not caused by Elliott. That has been accepted . Her best friend completely contradicted the alleged victim's story .

Let the truth come out. If he says he didn't do anything to her, and that her story is bullshit , get them both in a courtroom to testify. Thank God the whole country hasn't (yet) adopted the procedures that American campuses have. Those are summary executions against the defendant . No right to cross -exam the accuser . In fact, basically no right to counsel . Inability to present evidence that might exonerate. This is still the United States. The NFL is worrying about offending powerful, political forces that allow it to exist only if it plays ball. Billions are at stake .
I totally get what you guys are saying.  
robbieballs2003 : 8/15/2017 6:04 pm : link
I just know exactly what is going to happen. The suspension will either be upheld or reduced a little. Jerry Jones, Zeke, his dad, etc. will bitch and moan how this was a witch hunt and the NFL is overplaying their hand as usual. That is the only reason I said Zeke might try to take this further somehow. His lawyers are doing their job by criticizing all involved. However, I don't think I once heard from anybody that Zeke didn't do anything. Personally, I don't expect to see anything after the appeal because of how they are handling it. They are just laying the ground work to win in the court of public opinion. You will have all the fans that think the NFL is money hungry and takes advantage of their players siding with Zeke saying he was never convicted of anything im a court of law. But the personap conduct policy very clearly states that a player doesn't have to be convicted in a court of law to violate the policy. The policy was also created by former players, current players, and the NFLPA. Nobody on his team will point that out.
How is it a money grab?  
pjcas18 : 8/15/2017 6:15 pm : link
Elliott was on track to be a face of the league.

I think it hurts the league not helps then to have Elliott suspended.

I suggest if anyone hasn't read the letter from the league to Elliott they should read it, and I'm not saying he did it or didn't I have no idea, but reading the letter describes the process the league went through to determine the outcome


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Retro  
TrueBlue56 : 8/15/2017 6:18 pm : link
You could not be more wrong. I suggest you read the letter of findings and discipline the NFL sent to Elliott.

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a letter to Elliott advising him of the decision, Todd Jones, the NFL's Special Counsel for Conduct, said these advisors "were of the view that there is substantial and persuasive evidence supporting a finding that [Elliott] engaged in physical violence against Ms. Thompson on multiple occasions during the week of July 16, 2016."


RE: How is it a money grab?  
robbieballs2003 : 8/15/2017 6:20 pm : link
In comment 13561570 pjcas18 said:
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Elliott was on track to be a face of the league.

I think it hurts the league not helps then to have Elliott suspended.

I suggest if anyone hasn't read the letter from the league to Elliott they should read it, and I'm not saying he did it or didn't I have no idea, but reading the letter describes the process the league went through to determine the outcome
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Are you responding to me? I didn't say this move was a money grab move at all. I am saying all the fans that side with tge players because they think the NFL is too big and powerful will side with Zeke in the court of public opinion. Basically, fans that get annoyed with Thursday night games after Sunday night games, possibly moving a team to Europe, not taking care of their ex players with healthcare, etc. Basically, those (NOT ALL) fans will agree that the NFL is too big and powerful.
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pjcas18 : 8/15/2017 6:24 pm : link
In comment 13561574 robbieballs2003 said:
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Elliott was on track to be a face of the league.

I think it hurts the league not helps then to have Elliott suspended.

I suggest if anyone hasn't read the letter from the league to Elliott they should read it, and I'm not saying he did it or didn't I have no idea, but reading the letter describes the process the league went through to determine the outcome
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Are you responding to me? I didn't say this move was a money grab move at all. I am saying all the fans that side with tge players because they think the NFL is too big and powerful will side with Zeke in the court of public opinion. Basically, fans that get annoyed with Thursday night games after Sunday night games, possibly moving a team to Europe, not taking care of their ex players with healthcare, etc. Basically, those (NOT ALL) fans will agree that the NFL is too big and powerful.


Oh, sorry, I misunderstood that, I agree and I also feel like the NFLPA has by far the worst CBA of all the major sports.
RE: His legal team  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/15/2017 6:29 pm : link
In comment 13561559 RetroJint said:
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Has already said that they're leaving the NFL as a venue and going to court. Look for the NFL to offer a reduction by half. Elliott will turn it down
As for the merits of the league's position, he was not charged with a crime. The investigation took 18 months. The injuries sustained were not caused by Elliott. That has been accepted . Her best friend completely contradicted the alleged victim's story .

Let the truth come out. If he says he didn't do anything to her, and that her story is bullshit , get them both in a courtroom to testify. Thank God the whole country hasn't (yet) adopted the procedures that American campuses have. Those are summary executions against the defendant . No right to cross -exam the accuser . In fact, basically no right to counsel . Inability to present evidence that might exonerate. This is still the United States. The NFL is worrying about offending powerful, political forces that allow it to exist only if it plays ball. Billions are at stake .


If you read the NFL personal conduct policy, that was collectively bargained, players don't have to be charged or convicted of any crimes to face league discipline. It's a public document. Anyone can read it.
He will get 4  
Mark from Jersey : 8/15/2017 6:55 pm : link
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Does anyone truly believe Jerra will not get him on the field for  
SterlingArcher : 8/15/2017 7:19 pm : link
game one? Jerra put up a lot to get the opening game against the Giants in his house, you just know that cost him plenty!
RE: Does anyone truly believe Jerra will not get him on the field for  
pjcas18 : 8/15/2017 7:29 pm : link
In comment 13561620 SterlingArcher said:
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game one? Jerra put up a lot to get the opening game against the Giants in his house, you just know that cost him plenty!


the Cowboys lead the league, by a lot, in suspensions, not sure why people still throw this out there. And it's not just no-names, half their defensive line was suspended last year and many for parts of this year.

Jerry will have almost zero to do with if Zeke is on the field opening day or not, it's up to the NFLPA and Zeke at this point.
Sounds like his legal team is looking for money  
ZogZerg : 8/15/2017 7:32 pm : link
Going outside the NFL doesn't work.
I wonder if this can be compared to the Brady case at all.  
FStubbs : 8/16/2017 6:34 am : link
Not a lawyer, but it seems the difference is the NFL suspended Brady for cheating at a game (not really against the law), while they're saying Ezekiel Elliott committed an actual crime - despite the law itself saying there's not enough evidence.

I'm thinking he at least has a libel suit here?
6 games seemed like alot  
AnnapolisMike : 8/16/2017 6:59 am : link
I think you will see a reduction to 3-4 games to get the matter settled. It seems like the league went with 6 knowing that ultimately the suspension would be reduced. If I am the Cowboys/Zeke . . . I want this over and done with as quickly as possible.
When the NFL interviewed Elliot  
joeinpa : 8/16/2017 6:59 am : link
Goodell was not present. That s a bad optic.
I think the best Elliot can hope for is that his 6 game suspension...  
Milton : 8/16/2017 7:35 am : link
...will be delayed until after his legal team has exhausted all avenues. But I don't see how any reduction can be justified. Either the evidence supports his guilt based on NFL standards (which are nowhere near the standards necessary for criminal prosecution) or it doesn't. And if it does, he will serve the full six games, because it's important to the league that punishments not appear arbitrary and/or negotiable. And I'm guessing the evidence supports it by an overwhelming margin or the NFL would not be going down this road.
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Elliott can try to take it to court all he wants  
YAJ2112 : 8/16/2017 8:32 am : link
the only reason it worked for Brady (as far as a delay goes) was because he got an injunction that put a legal hold on the NFL's decision. I don't see anyway that Zeke will be able to get the same based on the outcome of Brady's trial - ie per the courts, they have already ruled that the NFL's process is legal so there's no ground for a lower court to grant an injunction in Zeke's case.
RE: Retro  
Racer : 8/16/2017 8:58 am : link
In comment 13561572 TrueBlue56 said:
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You could not be more wrong. I suggest you read the letter of findings and discipline the NFL sent to Elliott.



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a letter to Elliott advising him of the decision, Todd Jones, the NFL's Special Counsel for Conduct, said these advisors "were of the view that there is substantial and persuasive evidence supporting a finding that [Elliott] engaged in physical violence against Ms. Thompson on multiple occasions during the week of July 16, 2016."




C'mon Retro, how about a dialogue for once rather than just chucking your edition of the news out the passenger window as you drive by.
This may be one of those instances  
feelflows : 8/16/2017 9:05 am : link
Where a trial will make him look WORSE than he already does. Graphic details are always worse than the summary...and the summary is disgusting.
RE: When the NFL interviewed Elliot  
pjcas18 : 8/16/2017 9:20 am : link
In comment 13561902 joeinpa said:
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Goodell was not present. That s a bad optic.

Why? It's probably a good optic so he can hear the appeal unbiased.
RE: I wonder if this can be compared to the Brady case at all.  
pjcas18 : 8/16/2017 9:23 am : link
In comment 13561896 FStubbs said:
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Not a lawyer, but it seems the difference is the NFL suspended Brady for cheating at a game (not really against the law), while they're saying Ezekiel Elliott committed an actual crime - despite the law itself saying there's not enough evidence.

I'm thinking he at least has a libel suit here?


the league is not saying he committed a crime, they are saying he is being suspended for conduct detrimental to the NFL.
Apparently, the NFL's case relied heavily on  
Section331 : 8/16/2017 11:00 am : link
the metadata in the woman's and Elliott's phones. The metadata confirms at least the timing of the woman's complaints with pictures of the bruises. And unless Zeke has evidence of her "I'm white, you're black" comment, it is immaterial. He'll say she said it, she'll say she didn't.

Given how much criticism the NFL received for the Brady and Ray Rice decisions, I have to think they have their ducks in a row this time. We'll see.
Some say 6 games seems a lot ,  
Kevin(formerly Tiki4Six) : 8/16/2017 12:43 pm : link
But you need to throw in all the other incidents he's been involved in too. He pulled a women's top off in public !!!!
RE: Some say 6 games seems a lot ,  
pjcas18 : 8/16/2017 12:49 pm : link
In comment 13562201 Kevin(formerly Tiki4Six) said:
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But you need to throw in all the other incidents he's been involved in too. He pulled a women's top off in public !!!!


True, the NFL considered the "pattern" of incidents, but regarding that incident they said:
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The commissioner also has determined that the March 11, 2017, St. Patrick's Day parade incident in Dallas will not be considered separately as a basis for additional discipline under the Policy given the circumstances surrounding the incident. You should understand, however, that your behavior during this event was inappropriate and disturbing, and reflected a lack of respect for women. When viewed together with the July incidents, it suggests a pattern of poor judgment and behavior for which effective intervention is necessary for your personal and professional welfare.
This article addresses the purported victim's allegations...  
Dunedin81 : 8/16/2017 5:05 pm : link
it's a worthwhile read.
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Good read  
ctc in ftmyers : 8/16/2017 5:50 pm : link
Dune. Thanks
RE: When the NFL interviewed Elliot  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/16/2017 7:37 pm : link
In comment 13561902 joeinpa said:
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Goodell was not present. That s a bad optic.


Goodell got killed for being too involved, having too much control over the last few incidents. Can't kill him for not being involved and stepping aside so an independent party could render a recommendation based on what evidence they got.
I am definitely  
TrueBlue56 : 8/16/2017 8:01 pm : link
Not a fan of Goodell, but I think this is the first time that he got it right. He brought in 2 independent people with broad experience in domestic violence as well as a former player. He stayed hands off.
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arcarsenal : 8/16/2017 8:08 pm : link
Almost every single time someone on this board claims "bad optics," it's stupid. We need to retire this shit.
RE: I wonder if this can be compared to the Brady case at all.  
mrvax : 8/16/2017 8:24 pm : link
In comment 13561896 FStubbs said:
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Not a lawyer, but it seems the difference is the NFL suspended Brady for cheating at a game (not really against the law), while they're saying Ezekiel Elliott committed an actual crime - despite the law itself saying there's not enough evidence.

I'm thinking he at least has a libel suit here?


I dunno, it seems possible to me though. Not having Elliot face criminal charges is not a declaration of innocence. They just don't have enough solid evidence for a conviction.

Keeping that in mind, I do believe a good lawyer could make a case for libel. If so, the NFL would somehow have to prove him guilty. Many Hollywood actors have successfully sued... and won cases against tabloids.
RE: I wonder if this can be compared to the Brady case at all.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/16/2017 8:33 pm : link
In comment 13561896 FStubbs said:
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Not a lawyer, but it seems the difference is the NFL suspended Brady for cheating at a game (not really against the law), while they're saying Ezekiel Elliott committed an actual crime - despite the law itself saying there's not enough evidence.

I'm thinking he at least has a libel suit here?


They are not saying he committed a crime, to be clear. That is a very significant difference. The language the league used in the decision is important.

They are saying that he has demonstrated a pattern of behavior that is detrimental to the league while being a representative of it. Bad headlines and being in the papers for the wrong reasons damages the brand, essentially.

Companies can discipline employees for doing things they perceive as harmful to the reputation of the company they are employed with. The NFL can too, thanks to the policy that the players union agreed to. He doesn't need to be arrested, charged, or convicted. Just being associated in things like a maybe-woman beating incident or pulling down a woman's shirt in public, one could comfortably argue, is unsightly for the league.
RE: RE: I wonder if this can be compared to the Brady case at all.  
pjcas18 : 8/16/2017 8:34 pm : link
In comment 13562657 mrvax said:
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Not a lawyer, but it seems the difference is the NFL suspended Brady for cheating at a game (not really against the law), while they're saying Ezekiel Elliott committed an actual crime - despite the law itself saying there's not enough evidence.

I'm thinking he at least has a libel suit here?



I dunno, it seems possible to me though. Not having Elliot face criminal charges is not a declaration of innocence. They just don't have enough solid evidence for a conviction.

Keeping that in mind, I do believe a good lawyer could make a case for libel. If so, the NFL would somehow have to prove him guilty. Many Hollywood actors have successfully sued... and won cases against tabloids.


the only way this could be libel is if Elliott never put his hands on Thompson and the NFL claimed he did falsely and maliciously. And no the NFL wouldn't have to prove he did do it, but he'd have to prove he didn't. Burden is on him to prove he was libeled.

And if you haven't done so, read the NFL memo to Elliott.

And then come back and say you think any lawyer, I don't care if it's F Lee Bailey, Clarence Darrow, Johnny Cochrane or Alan Dershowitz, can make a case for libel.

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