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What makes John Jerry such a bad run blocker?

CMicks3110 : 8/15/2017 8:33 pm
for the scouts out there what do you see? Is it lack of strength? clearly it's not lack of sizea, he is a big big guy, but why can't he get any movement in the run game?
At his size  
David B. : 8/15/2017 8:54 pm : link
He SHOULD be able to just fall forward. But no.


WHY CAN'T JERRY BLOCK????
Uhhhhhhhhh  
superspynyg : 8/15/2017 8:55 pm : link
Cause he sucks!
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arcarsenal : 8/15/2017 8:57 pm : link
Jerry is a strange case - you'd almost expect him to be the opposite of what he is. A strong forward run blocker who struggles to anchor himself in pass pro. But obviously thats not the case.

I certainly haven't spent time analyzing him or keying on him enough to know the reason but it does seem strange to me that he struggles so much as a run blocker. I feel like he should be better than he is.
I am no expert  
DavidinBMNY : 8/15/2017 9:25 pm : link
But the physics are pretty different between the 2. In pass blocking you react and absorb. You also move backwards.

Run blocking is a push. It requires more power and explosion.
I hope Fluker takes that position  
CMicks3110 : 8/15/2017 9:34 pm : link
He looks like a monster run blocker, just a gigantic powerful human being. I know he doesn't appear to be mentally sharp in terms of picking up blitzes and stunts and what not, but to have a fierce run blcoker like him i think ould make a world of difference. We have some really big bodies on this o-line, we should be able to get more of a push.
Technique  
annexOPR : 8/15/2017 9:40 pm : link
Size is important, but technique (hand placement, feet position, leverage/pad level) is just as important

No, it's not as simple as big guy fall forward
He plain sucks.  
SHO'NUFF : 8/15/2017 10:00 pm : link
Reese is out of his mind to resign him.
We have had this problem for a while now..  
EricJ : 8/15/2017 10:22 pm : link
our batting average at finding offensive linemen who can play at league average or above is extremely low. So.. is it the GM or coaching?
RE: He plain sucks.  
arcarsenal : 8/15/2017 10:25 pm : link
In comment 13561790 SHO'NUFF said:
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Reese is out of his mind to resign him.


Well, this isn't true.

Jerry isn't great but he's a decent OG. We can (and have) done way worse.
RE: He plain sucks.  
wonderback : 8/15/2017 10:27 pm : link
In comment 13561790 SHO'NUFF said:
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Reese is out of his mind to resign him.


+1
RE: RE: He plain sucks.  
wonderback : 8/15/2017 10:30 pm : link
In comment 13561839 arcarsenal said:
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In comment 13561790 SHO'NUFF said:


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Reese is out of his mind to resign him.



Well, this isn't true.

Jerry isn't great but he's a decent OG. We can (and have) done way worse.


He's pretty bad. They signed him because they had no other option at the time. I'm hoping Fluker takes his job. I know he has his faults as well but I' m tired of watching defensive tackles in our backfield.
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arcarsenal : 8/15/2017 10:43 pm : link
Fluker is just as flawed. You're likely going to wind up disappointed.
At least they'll be times  
wonderback : 8/15/2017 10:51 pm : link
When he drives his man downfield. Haven't seen that from Jerry in two years. Sometimes, you just want to see somebody else.
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arcarsenal : 8/15/2017 10:58 pm : link
I get it, but with Fluker, it's the reverse problem. He has the power and ability to thrive as a run blocker but his pass pro is very shaky. I want to see us push forward and open holes for the runners but I also don't want to see Eli get killed.
All you Fluker people  
NoGainDayne : 8/15/2017 11:16 pm : link
why on earth would we trade pass blocking for run blocking? We have some of the most dangerous weapons in the league now all they need is time. Both our tackles were bad pass blockers last year. You want to add one of the worst pass blocking guards in the lead to that mix now? Why???
Kudos  
grizz299 : 8/15/2017 11:36 pm : link
to no gain... We are a passin team first, we use the pass to set up the run.
My god, we're seen the most brilliant input of talent, very pick last year started UNHEARD of, every free agent signing outperformed expectations, even the undradted contributed.
Apple, Shep, D. tomolinson, Adams, Goodson, Adams, Robinson, JPP (who was a free agent too), JackRabbit Jenkins, Vernon and Snacks.
I doubt that that 's ever been matched in the history of the league and this scmuck wants to call out Jerry Reese because he signed a man who knew the system and was a useful player for the bargain price of 3 million dollars.
So typical.... Fire Jerry Reese
RE: All you Fluker people  
LauderdaleMatty : 8/15/2017 11:49 pm : link
In comment 13561854 NoGainDayne said:
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why on earth would we trade pass blocking for run blocking? We have some of the most dangerous weapons in the league now all they need is time. Both our tackles were bad pass blockers last year. You want to add one of the worst pass blocking guards in the lead to that mix now? Why???


Why can't they find a decent guy at both? Reese has rolled the dice on this OL. God knows who is going to be on it next year if they lose both Richberg and Pugh. And acting like Jerry is a great pass blocker is just bullshit. He's solid at it. He's kind of like another BBI fave Beatty who was an average pass blocker and shit vs the run.

The additions of Ellison hoped for even slight improvements by Hart and Flowers will help. My guess is they keep Smith and Ellison at least Xan help his weakness' of the OL.

We are stuck w this OL. Jerry could easily be replaced next year but not if they lose both Pugh and Richberg. Even losing one of them is going to suck as of now they are the two best OL

RE: RE: All you Fluker people  
NoGainDayne : 8/16/2017 1:03 am : link
In comment 13561868 LauderdaleMatty said:
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In comment 13561854 NoGainDayne said:


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why on earth would we trade pass blocking for run blocking? We have some of the most dangerous weapons in the league now all they need is time. Both our tackles were bad pass blockers last year. You want to add one of the worst pass blocking guards in the lead to that mix now? Why???



Why can't they find a decent guy at both? Reese has rolled the dice on this OL. God knows who is going to be on it next year if they lose both Richberg and Pugh. And acting like Jerry is a great pass blocker is just bullshit. He's solid at it. He's kind of like another BBI fave Beatty who was an average pass blocker and shit vs the run.

The additions of Ellison hoped for even slight improvements by Hart and Flowers will help. My guess is they keep Smith and Ellison at least Xan help his weakness' of the OL.

We are stuck w this OL. Jerry could easily be replaced next year but not if they lose both Pugh and Richberg. Even losing one of them is going to suck as of now they are the two best OL


I'm on record starting a thread about the Giants neglecting the OL back in 2012. (Advocating Glenn vs. Wilson) You don't need to sell me on being pissed off about this. Benching Jerry for Fluker is not the solution.
RE: RE: RE: All you Fluker people  
chopperhatch : 8/16/2017 1:15 am : link
In comment 13561877 NoGainDayne said:
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In comment 13561854 NoGainDayne said:


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why on earth would we trade pass blocking for run blocking? We have some of the most dangerous weapons in the league now all they need is time. Both our tackles were bad pass blockers last year. You want to add one of the worst pass blocking guards in the lead to that mix now? Why???



Why can't they find a decent guy at both? Reese has rolled the dice on this OL. God knows who is going to be on it next year if they lose both Richberg and Pugh. And acting like Jerry is a great pass blocker is just bullshit. He's solid at it. He's kind of like another BBI fave Beatty who was an average pass blocker and shit vs the run.

The additions of Ellison hoped for even slight improvements by Hart and Flowers will help. My guess is they keep Smith and Ellison at least Xan help his weakness' of the OL.

We are stuck w this OL. Jerry could easily be replaced next year but not if they lose both Pugh and Richberg. Even losing one of them is going to suck as of now they are the two best OL




I'm on record starting a thread about the Giants neglecting the OL back in 2012. (Advocating Glenn vs. Wilson) You don't need to sell me on being pissed off about this. Benching Jerry for Fluker is not the solution.


Hes on the record folks. Everybody GIVE WAY!

::snickering::
from what i can tell  
BlackburnBalledOut : 8/16/2017 2:22 am : link
based off the past few seasons is that he gets beat off the snap and doesnt make initial contact until contacted first. that leads to less leverage / higher pad height
From Chris Snee.....  
Emlen'sGremlins : 8/16/2017 7:31 am : link
....to John Jerry. Ugh!
possibly mismatch our current blocking scheme with jerrys type  
idiotsavant : 8/16/2017 7:45 am : link
its a mishmash line player type wise and not clear what blocking scheme we want to emphasis going forward.


but 'no gain' is correct. this thing goes back to the dave brown days and some of us suggested Glen that year for one example.
Not a road grader  
jeff57 : 8/16/2017 8:02 am : link
And doesn't seem to have good instincts for run blocking. At least move him to the left side, where he will be less of a factor in the run game.
RE: RE: RE: All you Fluker people  
LauderdaleMatty : 8/16/2017 8:06 am : link
In comment 13561877 NoGainDayne said:
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In comment 13561854 NoGainDayne said:


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why on earth would we trade pass blocking for run blocking? We have some of the most dangerous weapons in the league now all they need is time. Both our tackles were bad pass blockers last year. You want to add one of the worst pass blocking guards in the lead to that mix now? Why???



Why can't they find a decent guy at both? Reese has rolled the dice on this OL. God knows who is going to be on it next year if they lose both Richberg and Pugh. And acting like Jerry is a great pass blocker is just bullshit. He's solid at it. He's kind of like another BBI fave Beatty who was an average pass blocker and shit vs the run.

The additions of Ellison hoped for even slight improvements by Hart and Flowers will help. My guess is they keep Smith and Ellison at least Xan help his weakness' of the OL.

We are stuck w this OL. Jerry could easily be replaced next year but not if they lose both Pugh and Richberg. Even losing one of them is going to suck as of now they are the two best OL




I'm on record starting a thread about the Giants neglecting the OL back in 2012. (Advocating Glenn vs. Wilson) You don't need to sell me on being pissed off about this. Benching Jerry for Fluker is not the solution.


I think they both aren't starter quality so while I can understand your position people are suggesting benching Jerry because Reese and his staff seem to be almost incapable of building this OL. Praying this OL is just mediocre.
He has trouble staying low.  
Section331 : 8/16/2017 9:10 am : link
To run block effectively, you have to be able to generate power with bend at the knees and waist, but that isn't an issue in pass pro.
RE: He has trouble staying low.  
Big Blue Blogger : 8/16/2017 10:59 am : link
Section331 said:
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To run block effectively, you have to be able to generate power with bend at the knees and waist, but that isn't an issue in pass pro.
Excellent point.
RE: RE: RE: RE: All you Fluker people  
NoGainDayne : 8/16/2017 11:01 am : link
In comment 13561879 chopperhatch said:
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why on earth would we trade pass blocking for run blocking? We have some of the most dangerous weapons in the league now all they need is time. Both our tackles were bad pass blockers last year. You want to add one of the worst pass blocking guards in the lead to that mix now? Why???



Why can't they find a decent guy at both? Reese has rolled the dice on this OL. God knows who is going to be on it next year if they lose both Richberg and Pugh. And acting like Jerry is a great pass blocker is just bullshit. He's solid at it. He's kind of like another BBI fave Beatty who was an average pass blocker and shit vs the run.

The additions of Ellison hoped for even slight improvements by Hart and Flowers will help. My guess is they keep Smith and Ellison at least Xan help his weakness' of the OL.

We are stuck w this OL. Jerry could easily be replaced next year but not if they lose both Pugh and Richberg. Even losing one of them is going to suck as of now they are the two best OL




I'm on record starting a thread about the Giants neglecting the OL back in 2012. (Advocating Glenn vs. Wilson) You don't need to sell me on being pissed off about this. Benching Jerry for Fluker is not the solution.



Hes on the record folks. Everybody GIVE WAY!

::snickering::


Hey! I was called out about not caring about the OL. I'm not some 2016 OL complainer. I was complaining about it before it was the cool thing to do.
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