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NFT: Game of Thrones S7E6: Death is the Enemy - Pregame Thread

Big Blue Blogger : 8/16/2017 12:26 pm
Winter is here, heralded by ravens and a boatload of leaks - including the brief, accidental release of Episode Six by HBO in Europe. If you have already seen bits (or all) of E6, beyond official trailers and stills, please respect the wishes of those who want to remain spoiler-free.

So the A-Team embarks from Eastwatch on a fateful hunting expedition. Zombie mayhem ensues, with the Night's King in command. Who returns alive, and do they achieve their goal?

Meanwhile, on the near side of the Wall, the preview offers...

... Tyrion and Daenerys exchanging another round of baleful glances. Why so glum?

... Arya noting Sansa's fear. Is that a trace of sisterly empathy from our favorite assassin, or contempt?

... No sign of Bran or Baelish, though they doubtless figure in whatever's up with the Stark girls.

... Nothing at all from King's Landing. Maybe the Lannisters take a week off to plan a baby shower while the Army of the Dead thins Dany's ranks.
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Please no Spoilers  
NYG27 : 8/16/2017 12:35 pm : link
HBO's affiliate in Spain already "accidentally" aired episode 7x06 on Monday instead of a rerun of 7x05. So be careful on YouTube and GoT sites as there are a TON of spoilers already.
This particular episode was leaked well before the Spain fuckup  
MetsAreBack : 8/16/2017 12:51 pm : link
You have to think at this point the leaks are on purpose - they do seem to be generating even more discussion.

This should be an epic episode - feel like the book readers in first few seasons - don't care I already know the plot, looking forward to the execution
The real question is who dies  
weeg in the bronx : 8/16/2017 12:55 pm : link
they can't all face the army of white walkers and come back alive. My pick is the flaming sword guy. Lesser character, he's died already.
What was the note the Aria read last week  
Reale01 : 8/16/2017 1:12 pm : link
The note that Littlefinger was hiding. Couldn't make it out although I saw it was signed by Sanza.
The preview offers some possible clues, or red herrings...  
Big Blue Blogger : 8/16/2017 1:13 pm : link
...about the fate of A-Team members. A shot of Sandor swinging a weapon that resembles Gendry's hammer has been cited as signifying curtains for the Flea Bottom rowing champ. I'm not convinced. Another shot shows Gendry himself wielding his hammer against an opponent who doesn't appear to have been dead for long. As the party races back to the Wall, Jon appears safely "faster than the slowest deer", and that lagging deer may be Tormund. With the magic of editing, though, we might be seeing these fragments out of order and context.
RE: The real question is who dies  
Pete in 'Vliet : 8/16/2017 1:13 pm : link
In comment 13562208 weeg in the bronx said:
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they can't all face the army of white walkers and come back alive. My pick is the flaming sword guy. Lesser character, he's died already.


My money is on Beric, Thoros and Torin biting the dust. Torin will be tough to see go, but he has already done his purpose as a character. Same thing with Thoros and Beric, that is unless Beric Dondarion can whip up a impassioned speech to make the Walkers reconsider their war against the living.

Jon and the Hound have to be locks to live. We aint through with these guys yet. I doubt they kill Gendry after just bringing him back , but maybe. Also it would be a waist of his greyscale plot if Jorah dies so soon and so far away from Dany.
RE: The real question is who dies  
pjcas18 : 8/16/2017 1:14 pm : link
In comment 13562208 weeg in the bronx said:
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they can't all face the army of white walkers and come back alive. My pick is the flaming sword guy. Lesser character, he's died already.


I think Beric and Thoros both die.

It would make Arya's list closer to completion if nothing else and I feel like there's a good chance Jorah or Davos die too.
RE: What was the note the Arya read last week  
Big Blue Blogger : 8/16/2017 1:14 pm : link
Reale01 said:
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The note that Littlefinger was hiding. Couldn't make it out although I saw it was signed by Sansa.
It's the letter Sansa wrote to Robb under duress, after Ned's execution, calling on the Starks to yield to Joffrey.
RE: RE: The real question is who dies  
Pete in 'Vliet : 8/16/2017 1:14 pm : link
In comment 13562224 Pete in 'Vliet said:
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they can't all face the army of white walkers and come back alive. My pick is the flaming sword guy. Lesser character, he's died already.



My money is on Beric, Thoros and Torin biting the dust. Torin will be tough to see go, but he has already done his purpose as a character. Same thing with Thoros and Beric, that is unless Beric Dondarion can whip up a impassioned speech to make the Walkers reconsider their war against the living.

Jon and the Hound have to be locks to live. We aint through with these guys yet. I doubt they kill Gendry after just bringing him back , but maybe. Also it would be a waist of his greyscale plot if Jorah dies so soon and so far away from Dany.


Sorry Torin = Tormund
RE: RE: The real question is who dies  
Pete in 'Vliet : 8/16/2017 1:15 pm : link
In comment 13562225 pjcas18 said:
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they can't all face the army of white walkers and come back alive. My pick is the flaming sword guy. Lesser character, he's died already.



I think Beric and Thoros both die.

It would make Arya's list closer to completion if nothing else and I feel like there's a good chance Jorah or Davos die too.


I could be wrong but I thought Davos was staying behind at Eastwatch
Reale01: The note denounced Ned as a traitor.  
Big Blue Blogger : 8/16/2017 1:17 pm : link
Littlefinger is betting that he can drive a wedge between Sansa and her little, hot-headed sister, who was always Daddy's girl.
RE: What was the note the Aria read last week  
pjcas18 : 8/16/2017 1:18 pm : link
In comment 13562222 Reale01 said:
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The note that Littlefinger was hiding. Couldn't make it out although I saw it was signed by Sanza.


That was the letter Cersei made Sansa write while Robb's army was still active.

Robb immediately knew the letter was forced, but Arya has no idea (probably), and she could just view Sansa as weak or worse a traitor.
Yesterday I watched season 4 episode 1  
Jay on the Island : 8/16/2017 1:19 pm : link
Prince Oberyn Martell was talking with Tyrion about his sister who was married to Rhaegar and had his kids. Oberyn told Tyrion that Rhaegar left his wife for another woman. Now there was a fan theory that Rhaegar didn't kidnap and rape Lyanna Stark but that they ran off together and got married. Gilly further confirmed that theory when she said that Rhaegar had his marriage annulled last episode before Sam cut her off.
RE: RE: The real question is who dies  
Jay on the Island : 8/16/2017 1:21 pm : link
In comment 13562225 pjcas18 said:
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they can't all face the army of white walkers and come back alive. My pick is the flaming sword guy. Lesser character, he's died already.



I think Beric and Thoros both die.

It would make Arya's list closer to completion if nothing else and I feel like there's a good chance Jorah or Davos die too.

I really hope that Jorah, Davos, Jon Snow, and Tormund survive this episode. I don't think Tormund is going to make it and I have a feeling that at least one of Baric and Thoros will perish as well. Bringing Gendry back to kill him off the next episode sounds highly unlikely to me.
I had a thought about last weeks episode  
Pete in 'Vliet : 8/16/2017 1:22 pm : link
That scene of Bran wargin all of the ravens at once was very interesting. We haven't seen anything like that yet in the show. Do the books have references to wargs being able to control multiple animals at once?

I have been predicting for a while now that Bran will find a way to warg into a wight, possibly wight Hodor (who Bran was able to control while alive). I couldn't figure out how that would realy help unles he could control them all at once. If he could do it with ravens could Bran possibly control, or stop, all the wights at once, leaving the Walkers on a level playing field against dragonglass weilding soldiers?
RE: Yesterday I watched season 4 episode 1  
Bill L : 8/16/2017 1:25 pm : link
In comment 13562231 Jay on the Island said:
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Prince Oberyn Martell was talking with Tyrion about his sister who was married to Rhaegar and had his kids. Oberyn told Tyrion that Rhaegar left his wife for another woman. Now there was a fan theory that Rhaegar didn't kidnap and rape Lyanna Stark but that they ran off together and got married. Gilly further confirmed that theory when she said that Rhaegar had his marriage annulled last episode before Sam cut her off.
He didn't cut her off after she said the marriage was anulled. She actually said that Rheagar got married again in a secret ceremony in Dorne. It's a theory no longer.
I didn't think Bran  
PEEJ : 8/16/2017 1:26 pm : link
was warging all the ravens at once. I thought he was skipping from one to another
RE: I didn't think Bran  
Bill L : 8/16/2017 1:30 pm : link
In comment 13562243 PEEJ said:
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was warging all the ravens at once. I thought he was skipping from one to another
In the books and, I think, in the show so far, the person doing the warging feels and thinks like the host animal. While there is some control, the hunger and instincts are still there. I would think that would be impossible with multiple hosts unless you also have some sort of Sybil thing going on.
I don't think warging  
pjcas18 : 8/16/2017 1:33 pm : link
into a wight will make a difference, I think he'd need to warg into the Night's King.

Not sure how exactly, the identity of the the Night's King from what I've read is sketchy, but Old Nan would tell Bran that the Night's King was a Stark from Winterfell and his name was Brandon.
RE: I had a thought about last weeks episode  
Mike From Brielle : 8/16/2017 1:43 pm : link
In comment 13562238 Pete in 'Vliet said:
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That scene of Bran wargin all of the ravens at once was very interesting. We haven't seen anything like that yet in the show. Do the books have references to wargs being able to control multiple animals at once?

I have been predicting for a while now that Bran will find a way to warg into a wight, possibly wight Hodor (who Bran was able to control while alive). I couldn't figure out how that would realy help unles he could control them all at once. If he could do it with ravens could Bran possibly control, or stop, all the wights at once, leaving the Walkers on a level playing field against dragonglass weilding soldiers?


Recon with the Ravens, strike with the Dragons!
Damn it, I gave in, saw the leaked episode 7x06  
NYG27 : 8/16/2017 2:03 pm : link
All I'll say is what a freaking awesome episode!
RE: Damn it, I gave in, saw the leaked episode 7x06  
Motley Two : 8/16/2017 2:08 pm : link
In comment 13562285 NYG27 said:
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All I'll say is what a freaking awesome episode!


Gonna sit this thread out because I saw it too, but

I wish they'd just put them up on HBO GO/Now  
Giantology : 8/16/2017 2:12 pm : link
Only two more episodes anyway.
RE: Damn it, I gave in, saw the leaked episode 7x06  
eli4life : 8/16/2017 2:18 pm : link
In comment 13562285 NYG27 said:
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All I'll say is what a freaking awesome episode!


Same here great episode
Is there any significance  
Mike from Ohio : 8/16/2017 2:19 pm : link
to the fact that one of the people going on this mission to capture one of the dead is himself someone who has died multiple times, and one of the others is the person who can bring him back from the dead?

I am trying to figure out if the mission failed, could they off Beric north of the wall, tie him up and then bring him south after he "turns?" It seems nobody south of the wall turns when they die, so it must need to happen north of the wall. Then they could eventually have Thoros bring him back.
I wonder if Jon and Co do get their evidence  
j_rud : 8/16/2017 2:20 pm : link
but that it's one of the 7 who went beyond the wall. Like one of them succumbs to injuries sustained during the battle and turns afterward. That seems more likely that picking off and subduing one member of that massive horde.
RE: I wonder if Jon and Co do get their evidence  
pjcas18 : 8/16/2017 2:29 pm : link
In comment 13562298 j_rud said:
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but that it's one of the 7 who went beyond the wall. Like one of them succumbs to injuries sustained during the battle and turns afterward. That seems more likely that picking off and subduing one member of that massive horde.


I'm still not sure how they're going to bring evidence of a wight. burlap sack? shackles? no go-pros or youtube.
I'd say start one for those who've seen it  
eli4life : 8/16/2017 2:34 pm : link
But I know a lot of you wouldn't be able to control yourselves
RE: I'd say start one for those who've seen it  
Giantology : 8/16/2017 2:39 pm : link
In comment 13562313 eli4life said:
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But I know a lot of you wouldn't be able to control yourselves


Speak for yourself, fella
I created a seperate spoilers thread for S7E6  
NYG27 : 8/16/2017 2:45 pm : link
I clearly marked it as Spoilers in both the title and original post on the thread.

Since several BBIers have already seen it, they can discuss it there if they wanted to.
The hype around this episode  
Kyle in NY : 8/16/2017 4:19 pm : link
due to the leaks is pretty insane. Going to wait until Sunday, but it's going to be damn hard
RE: I created a seperate spoilers thread for S7E6  
Pete in 'Vliet : 8/16/2017 4:29 pm : link
In comment 13562325 NYG27 said:
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I clearly marked it as Spoilers in both the title and original post on the thread.

Since several BBIers have already seen it, they can discuss it there if they wanted to.


I accidently clicked on that thread thinking it was this one at first. But I quickly saw all the **Spoilers** warning before seeing anything else, so thank you for labeling it like that.
RE: I don't think warging  
Pete in 'Vliet : 8/16/2017 4:32 pm : link
In comment 13562252 pjcas18 said:
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into a wight will make a difference, I think he'd need to warg into the Night's King.

Not sure how exactly, the identity of the the Night's King from what I've read is sketchy, but Old Nan would tell Bran that the Night's King was a Stark from Winterfell and his name was Brandon.


My thought wa if he could warg into all of them at once and "shut them down" back to corpses, then only the Walkers would be left and the heroes can do the rest. I admit it is a very far fetched theory.

Warging into the Night King is interesting though

It's taking  
PEEJ : 8/16/2017 4:32 pm : link
a lot of will power not to peek
RE: It's taking  
Saos1n : 8/16/2017 4:37 pm : link
In comment 13562445 PEEJ said:
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a lot of will power not to peek


I opened it... started to read, yelled Ahhhh and closed the browser

Lmao!
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Saos1n : 8/16/2017 4:39 pm : link
In comment 13562442 Pete in 'Vliet said:
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into a wight will make a difference, I think he'd need to warg into the Night's King.

Not sure how exactly, the identity of the the Night's King from what I've read is sketchy, but Old Nan would tell Bran that the Night's King was a Stark from Winterfell and his name was Brandon.



My thought wa if he could warg into all of them at once and "shut them down" back to corpses, then only the Walkers would be left and the heroes can do the rest. I admit it is a very far fetched theory.

Warging into the Night King is interesting though


There's an interesting theory that leads to Bran being the night king

So the theory states he goes back to the moment the night king was created, wargs into the man.... tries to explain what will happen and why they shouldn't do this... they call bull shit and do it anyways leaving bran as the night king...

Pretty long shot but interesting nonetheless
I finally caught up...  
Chris in Philly : 8/16/2017 4:41 pm : link
on Binge Mode. That was good for reminding me about a lot of little things that have happened over the years that fall through the cracks when you watch over 7 seasons. It's a bit repetitive and the episodes get way too long, but it's an entertaining listen on a commute or the treadmill. The guy does some hilarious impressions...
RE: RE: I created a seperate spoilers thread for S7E6  
NYG27 : 8/16/2017 4:51 pm : link
In comment 13562435 Pete in 'Vliet said:
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I clearly marked it as Spoilers in both the title and original post on the thread.

Since several BBIers have already seen it, they can discuss it there if they wanted to.



I accidently clicked on that thread thinking it was this one at first. But I quickly saw all the **Spoilers** warning before seeing anything else, so thank you for labeling it like that.


Anytime, last thing I want to do is ruin an awesome episode like that and put several "Spoiler" warnings before we started the discussion to give people who accidentally open it a chance to leave without reading anything.

With the leaked 7x04, that was released on Friday and it was easier to wait just two days to avoid spoilers and watch on Sunday.

But with 7x06, damn HBO's affiliate in Spain leaked it out on Monday. There are a TON of spoilers everywhere from the net, youtube and facebook......and it's only Wednesday. Which is why I gave in and watched the episode now. No way I'd last to Sunday without accidentally running into any more plot spoilers.
I only have a work laptop  
Mike from SI : 8/16/2017 5:02 pm : link
so just begged some of my friends to find it for me so I can watch it on my phone. I haven't seen what the spoilers are, but I've heard a bunch of huge ish goes down. I CANNOT WAIT.
Interesting theory  
NYG27 : 8/16/2017 5:15 pm : link
Saos1n said:
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There's an interesting theory that leads to Bran being the night king

So the theory states he goes back to the moment the night king was created, wargs into the man.... tries to explain what will happen and why they shouldn't do this... they call bull shit and do it anyways leaving bran as the night king...

Pretty long shot but interesting nonetheless


That would also make a lot of sense. It's seems like the Night King has always been one step ahead of Bran in their visions. So this theory would help prove that since the Night King would always know what to expect since he first lived those experiences as Bran and always know a counter for all of Bran's moves.

Plus also explain how in episode 6x05 Meera was able to drag Bran away without getting caught by all the Night Kings wrights. I know that Hodor and Uncle Benjen helped but if this theory is correct, the Night King would want Meera to get away and help Bran cross the Wall or he'd never exist.
RE: Interesting theory  
Motley Two : 8/16/2017 5:46 pm : link
In comment 13562501 NYG27 said:
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Saos1n said:


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There's an interesting theory that leads to Bran being the night king

So the theory states he goes back to the moment the night king was created, wargs into the man.... tries to explain what will happen and why they shouldn't do this... they call bull shit and do it anyways leaving bran as the night king...

Pretty long shot but interesting nonetheless



That would also make a lot of sense. It's seems like the Night King has always been one step ahead of Bran in their visions. So this theory would help prove that since the Night King would always know what to expect since he first lived those experiences as Bran and always know a counter for all of Bran's moves.

Plus also explain how in episode 6x05 Meera was able to drag Bran away without getting caught by all the Night Kings wrights. I know that Hodor and Uncle Benjen helped but if this theory is correct, the Night King would want Meera to get away and help Bran cross the Wall or he'd never exist.


Shit. That is interesting.
Ah! Im so on the fence!!  
ZGiants98 : 8/16/2017 5:50 pm : link
Does anybody have a link in case we wanted to watch it early?? I HATE spoilers but if it's in full HD, I might seriously consider it.
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NYG27 : 8/16/2017 5:53 pm : link
In comment 13562518 Motley Two said:
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Saos1n said:


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There's an interesting theory that leads to Bran being the night king

So the theory states he goes back to the moment the night king was created, wargs into the man.... tries to explain what will happen and why they shouldn't do this... they call bull shit and do it anyways leaving bran as the night king...

Pretty long shot but interesting nonetheless



That would also make a lot of sense. It's seems like the Night King has always been one step ahead of Bran in their visions. So this theory would help prove that since the Night King would always know what to expect since he first lived those experiences as Bran and always know a counter for all of Bran's moves.

Plus also explain how in episode 6x05 Meera was able to drag Bran away without getting caught by all the Night Kings wrights. I know that Hodor and Uncle Benjen helped but if this theory is correct, the Night King would want Meera to get away and help Bran cross the Wall or he'd never exist.



Shit. That is interesting.


Not to even mention why the Night King has always looked at Jon with a special interest. If it is Bran, then of course he'd look with interest with what Jon is doing since it is his brother.
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pjcas18 : 8/16/2017 5:55 pm : link
In comment 13562524 NYG27 said:
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Saos1n said:


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There's an interesting theory that leads to Bran being the night king

So the theory states he goes back to the moment the night king was created, wargs into the man.... tries to explain what will happen and why they shouldn't do this... they call bull shit and do it anyways leaving bran as the night king...

Pretty long shot but interesting nonetheless



That would also make a lot of sense. It's seems like the Night King has always been one step ahead of Bran in their visions. So this theory would help prove that since the Night King would always know what to expect since he first lived those experiences as Bran and always know a counter for all of Bran's moves.

Plus also explain how in episode 6x05 Meera was able to drag Bran away without getting caught by all the Night Kings wrights. I know that Hodor and Uncle Benjen helped but if this theory is correct, the Night King would want Meera to get away and help Bran cross the Wall or he'd never exist.



Shit. That is interesting.



Not to even mention why the Night King has always looked at Jon with a special interest. If it is Bran, then of course he'd look with interest with what Jon is doing since it is his brother.


Actually first cousin, Bran knows Jon's true identity.

Right?

Surprised Bran hasn't done more to communicate that.
Gillie basically revealed than Jon is rightful heir  
Dave M : 8/16/2017 5:59 pm : link
And they just let it go like it was nothing.
pjcas18, I still consider Bran and Jon to be brothers  
NYG27 : 8/16/2017 6:00 pm : link
If they grew up thinking and being brothers for all these years, I doubt knowing Jon is actually his first cousin would change the way they look at each other. Same with Arya's view point of Jon, since they were so close with each other.

Sansa on the other hand would look at Jon differently as a cousin and use that information to become the rightful heir to Winterfell.

RE: Gillie basically revealed than Jon is rightful heir  
NYG27 : 8/16/2017 6:04 pm : link
In comment 13562527 Dave M said:
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And they just let it go like it was nothing.


Dave, that news is nothing to Sam at this point in time. From what Sam knows, Jon is still Ned Stark's bastard son. If when Sam gets back to Winterfell and finds out the truth about Jon, hopefully he can recall Gillie's comments and have to proof to back it up from all those books he stole from the Citadel.
RE: pjcas18, I still consider Bran and Jon to be brothers  
pjcas18 : 8/16/2017 6:05 pm : link
In comment 13562528 NYG27 said:
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If they grew up thinking and being brothers for all these years, I doubt knowing Jon is actually his first cousin would change the way they look at each other. Same with Arya's view point of Jon, since they were so close with each other.

Sansa on the other hand would look at Jon differently as a cousin and use that information to become the rightful heir to Winterfell.


I guess I agree from an emotional standpoint.

I think Sansa feels differently about him anyway because he's a bastard.
Going back to that theory of Bran being the Night King  
NYG27 : 8/16/2017 6:11 pm : link
If that theory is true and Bran finds that out at some point next season, would Bran kill himself now to prevent himself from becoming the Night King?
RE: Going back to that theory of Bran being the Night King  
pjcas18 : 8/16/2017 6:15 pm : link
In comment 13562536 NYG27 said:
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If that theory is true and Bran finds that out at some point next season, would Bran kill himself now to prevent himself from becoming the Night King?


He may not have to, maybe Littlefinger kills him and unwittingly saves the realm.

No one likes to see the disabled get attacked but it would show just how low Littlefinger would stoop to achieve more.

I don't think Bran kills himself.

The fact Old Nan told him the Night's King name is Brandon Stark can't be merely coincidental. Or could it?
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