She doesn't know the Hound is coming. As far as I can tell King's Landing hasn't been informed of the plan to bring a weight to them.
Cersei knows the plan, Jaime and Tyrion came to a proposed truce for both their queen's. Jaime even told Cersei in episode S7E5 that "Tyrion said he will bring proof" of the zombies.
My guess is the Hound will make the delivery, show them the proof but still get arrested. Remember he abandoned his post with the Lannister's but the Hound will demand a Trial by Combat to determine his fate. Cersei's champion should be the zombie Mountain and we should finally get the Clegane Bowl that's been long rumored.
Plus when I mention zombie Mountain, I'm guessing that the Mountain is half dead\half alive, similar to the way Uncle Benjen was.
We talked about it in the other GoT thread but here are the highlights about want we discussed there...
* There's an interesting theory that leads to Bran being the Night King. So the theory states he goes back to the moment the night king was created, wargs into the man.... tries to explain what will happen and why they shouldn't do this... they call bull shit and do it anyways leaving bran as the night king.
* That would also make a lot of sense. It's seems like the Night King has always been one step ahead of Bran in their visions. So this theory would help prove that since the Night King would always know what to expect since he first lived those experiences as Bran and always know a counter for all of Bran's moves.
* Plus also explain how in episode 6x05 Meera was able to drag Bran away without getting caught by all the Night Kings wrights. I know that Hodor and Uncle Benjen helped but if this theory is correct, the Night King would want Meera to get away and help Bran cross the Wall or he'd never exist.
* Not to even mention why the Night King has always looked at Jon with a special interest. If it is Bran, then of course he'd look with interest with what Jon is doing since it is his brother/cousin.
* The fact Old Nan told him the Night's King name is Brandon Stark can't be merely coincidental. Or could it?
* Plus the old Three Eyed Raven mentioned to Bran that he'd wouldn't walk again (In Bran's old crippled body) but that he would fly. Most thought this meant warging into birds or one of the dragons. Although now that the Night King has his very own dragon, if Bran is the Night King, he will be able to fly now.
RE: RE: But it looks like The Hound will be delivering
She doesn't know the Hound is coming. As far as I can tell King's Landing hasn't been informed of the plan to bring a weight to them.
Cersei knows the plan, Jaime and Tyrion came to a proposed truce for both their queen's. Jaime even told Cersei in episode S7E5 that "Tyrion said he will bring proof" of the zombies.
My guess is the Hound will make the delivery, show them the proof but still get arrested. Remember he abandoned his post with the Lannister's but the Hound will demand a Trial by Combat to determine his fate. Cersei's champion should be the zombie Mountain and we should finally get the Clegane Bowl that's been long rumored.
Plus when I mention zombie Mountain, I'm guessing that the Mountain is half dead\half alive, similar to the way Uncle Benjen was.
I think Benjen's deal is different. Injured & infected with whatever magic that makes the White Walkers go. Wasn't he basically confined to the North of The Wall? Couldn't return if he wanted?
If you re-watch all the scenes with both him and Bran, it always seemed like he was holding something back from Bran. Almost like he was scared of Bran's abilities or what he might yet become.
I think he knew how powerful Bran's abilities are and knew what would eventually happen. I'm guessing he was always so eager to find Bran to help train him for a longer period of time to prevent him from being the Night King. Then Bran didn't listen to him and got marked by the Night King and cut down the time the old Three Eyed Raven had to train Bran.
If this theory is true, knowing he'd die soon, I don't think it was an accident that in their last vision together, the Three Eyed Raven took Bran back in time to Winterfell and showed Bran a cruel example of what would happen if he left his powers unchecked and warged into a person, while using greensight. The way Bran neutered Hodor in that way, I'm sure the Three Eyed Raven was hoping that example would prevent Bran from doing it again. Which would prevent him from eventually becoming the Night King.
Again, I don't think it was an accident that the Three Eyed Raven choose to show Bran that right before he died.
RE: RE: RE: But it looks like The Hound will be delivering
I think Benjen's deal is different. Injured & infected with whatever magic that makes the White Walkers go. Wasn't he basically confined to the North of The Wall? Couldn't return if he wanted?
The Mountain is some straight Frankenstein shit.
I don't think they're that far apart. Qyburn was always interested in learning about topics that got him kicked out of the Citadel with human experiments. We know the maesters at the Citadel weren't fond of magic and maybe Qyburn found some old manuscripts that showed how to do magic to re-animated the dead (Similar to the magic that the Children did to re-animate Benjen after he died, so that he'd fight for the side of the living).
We talked about it in the other GoT thread but here are the highlights about want we discussed there...
* There's an interesting theory that leads to Bran being the Night King. So the theory states he goes back to the moment the night king was created, wargs into the man.... tries to explain what will happen and why they shouldn't do this... they call bull shit and do it anyways leaving bran as the night king.
* That would also make a lot of sense. It's seems like the Night King has always been one step ahead of Bran in their visions. So this theory would help prove that since the Night King would always know what to expect since he first lived those experiences as Bran and always know a counter for all of Bran's moves.
* Plus also explain how in episode 6x05 Meera was able to drag Bran away without getting caught by all the Night Kings wrights. I know that Hodor and Uncle Benjen helped but if this theory is correct, the Night King would want Meera to get away and help Bran cross the Wall or he'd never exist.
* Not to even mention why the Night King has always looked at Jon with a special interest. If it is Bran, then of course he'd look with interest with what Jon is doing since it is his brother/cousin.
* The fact Old Nan told him the Night's King name is Brandon Stark can't be merely coincidental. Or could it?
* Plus the old Three Eyed Raven mentioned to Bran that he'd wouldn't walk again (In Bran's old crippled body) but that he would fly. Most thought this meant warging into birds or one of the dragons. Although now that the Night King has his very own dragon, if Bran is the Night King, he will be able to fly now.
This doesn't make sense to me. Bran seems like a good dude. His conscience gets trapped inside of the Night King and he just immediately decides "f*** it, now that I'm the Night King I'm killing all the humans?" The animosity towards the Children makes sense, but not the humans.
Current day Bran seems like a good dude, although a lot more cold and distant from the rest of humanity (his sisters and Meera) since becoming the Night King.
Then factor in, if the theory is true, that the Night King has been around since the First Men for thousands of years and has constantly been at war with the humans.
You don't think a good dude like Bran can go crazy over thousands of years battling the humans non-stop?
Current day Bran seems like a good dude, although a lot more cold and distant from the rest of humanity (his sisters and Meera) since becoming the Night King.
Meant to say since becoming the new Three Eyed Raven.
Current day Bran seems like a good dude, although a lot more cold and distant from the rest of humanity (his sisters and Meera) since becoming the Night King.
Then factor in, if the theory is true, that the Night King has been around since the First Men for thousands of years and has constantly been at war with the humans.
You don't think a good dude like Bran can go crazy over thousands of years battling the humans non-stop?
When Bran first wargs into the Night King, he has no experience being Night King. If he still had any consciousness at that point he could refuse to kill humans. If he had 0 consciousness then I don't find any of this all that interesting, I guess; just one big repeatable loop over and over. (Which is really the problem in any time-travel show; I hope Martin figured out something smarter than that.)
I posted two good links on the non spoiler thread and also posted instructions on how to watch it on your HDTV. Whole process to get it on my HDTV took only 10-15 minutes.
Will Sansa plot with Littlefinger to make a move against Arya in episode 7?
Has to be. Littlefinger is playing them. If she's worried about Arya doing something to her, she'd want Brienne there, but if she's thinking about doing something to Arya, she'd want Brienne out of the way.
Maybe Bran can intervene, but he doesn't really seem to emotionally invested these day.
As a work of cinematic excellence, this episode was right up there with the best.
The strength of the show, story-wise, is still south of the wall, where there are sympathetic characters on both sides of the war. That could change, though, when we get the full story of the Night's King and he's more than just a scary dude with a zombie army and an ice dragon.
Was it just me or did that episode suck and make no sense?
1. They're walking for miles, then Gendry makes it to the wall in 25 minutes?
2. "No Time" for Benjen to also hop on a horse?
3. Arya and Sansa thing. Everyone knew immediately in season 1 (or 2?) that the Queen was forcing her to write that. Also, why did she send Brienne away? And why is she trusting Littlefinger?
4. Why did the Night King aim for the flying dragon instead of Drogon who wasjust sitting there?
5. Jon screams "fall back." Fall back to what? They're on an island. And, if they could 'fall back' why didn't they do that right away?
The point, form Arya's PoV, isn't whether or not Sansa was compelled to write the letter Robb. Her gripe is that Sansa caved so easily. Arya thinks Sansa is weak, and she also questions Sansa's motives for collaborating with Cersei - which feeds her suspicions about Sansa's loyalty to Jon.
Personally, I think either Littlefinger is being set up by one or both of the Stark girls, or his plan will be foiled another way - possibly by Bran. Arya might be testing Sansa, but I don't believe Arya will fall completely for Baelish's scheme.
it's sloppy as shit. Loved the cinematography, it was gorgeous, but I thought we were going to be getting somthing epic. The liberties taken with travel are beyond frustrating to watch. My friend texted me earlier that Davos "basically texted Dany". With time sped up like this it becomes very predictable.
Was it just me or did that episode suck and make no sense?
1. They're walking for miles, then Gendry makes it to the wall in 25 minutes?
2. "No Time" for Benjen to also hop on a horse?
3. Arya and Sansa thing. Everyone knew immediately in season 1 (or 2?) that the Queen was forcing her to write that. Also, why did she send Brienne away? And why is she trusting Littlefinger?
4. Why did the Night King aim for the flying dragon instead of Drogon who wasjust sitting there?
5. Jon screams "fall back." Fall back to what? They're on an island. And, if they could 'fall back' why didn't they do that right away?
6. Where'd the second dragon go?
It's just you.
1.) More time passed than 25 minutes. At least a day.
2.) It would have slowed them down. Benjen also wanted to die, he was half zombie living in a horrid state. His only mission was to take down more zombies.
3.) She sent Brianne because she does not trust Cersei enough to be around her (smart). She knows Littlefinger is after her and the throne so she can use that to her advantage.
4.) The flying dragon was circling around and coming toward him at the time he threw the arrow.
5.) The island had a little hill that went about 20 feet up. He was telling them to fall back to the top of the ridge of it to get a better advantage as a "last resort".
6.) The second dragon was shown multiple times. He was flying in the air when Viserys got shot down and he howled when it happened. He was shown flying over the wall at the end.
I feel like when fans like us are starting to make up theories like what you just suggested to explain what's going on between characters, it indicates terrible writing. It means that what we're seeing is so far away from what we'd expect given our current understanding of them, then something else must be going on.
This reminds me of when arya got stabbed. Everyone was saying back then there must be some plan, or it wasn't really her, or this, or that... And it turned out she just got stabbed and then healed.
Benjen isn't exactly Benjen any more. As he hinted when he rescued Bran and Meera last season, he's now an instrument of the three-eyed raven, suspended between two worlds. It's not even clear that the Army of the Dead can kill him. This might not make sense, but it does sort of explain why he doesn't try to escape.
Was it just me or did that episode suck and make no sense?
1. They're walking for miles, then Gendry makes it to the wall in 25 minutes?
2. "No Time" for Benjen to also hop on a horse?
3. Arya and Sansa thing. Everyone knew immediately in season 1 (or 2?) that the Queen was forcing her to write that. Also, why did she send Brienne away? And why is she trusting Littlefinger?
4. Why did the Night King aim for the flying dragon instead of Drogon who wasjust sitting there?
5. Jon screams "fall back." Fall back to what? They're on an island. And, if they could 'fall back' why didn't they do that right away?
6. Where'd the second dragon go?
1. The amount of time that elapses is always difficult to tell on this show - best not to think too hard about it.
2. Benjen has been half dead and roaming behind the wall for some time now. I think he felt it was finally his time to go.
3. As Arya explained, she felt that even though she was forced to write the letter it was still a betrayal of their father. And it adds to her suspicion that all Sansa ever cared about is being queen, even in spite of her family.
Brienne was sent away because Sansa doesn't trust that Cersei won't try to kill her if she goes. Also possibly to have no one preclude her from harming Arya if she decides that is necessary.
Sansa probably doesn't fully trust little finger, but at this point without Jon there, and Bran being a dick, she has no one else to confide in for important matters.
4. Either to show off, or because the dragon in the air would be in better position to retaliate if he instead killed the Dragon on the ground.
5. The lake became more frozen than it was previously allowing them to walk and run on it. Although they did seem surrounded, so not sure where they had space to go.
6. It did seem like one disappeared. But it became irrelevant after the night king took one down - Dany wasn't gonna have her dragons stick around any longer.
is basically e-mail at this point. It's a bit silly how fast and reliable it is considering they're literally sending birds with messages. But I'm just gonna go with it. The rest is good enough to make up for these shortcuts they have to take.
But, the whole plot from last episode was so dumb (bringing back a white walker? really?) and its bleeding into this episode.
It was dumb - really from the beginning it's been a challenge for the writers to include the wight walkers into the show in a way that makes sense. But the last two episodes did serve the purpose of making clear what the stakes are and forging important relationships that will be key later on.
rewatching tonight still don't see how Littlefinger's ploy works
Arya and Sansa are circling each other, but neither has laid their cards on the table yet. Littlefinger wasn't going to go down without a fight. Sansa has done well running things, she knows not to trust him, and she correctly observed how disloyal the other Northern houses are. Next week's episode can go in a lot of directions but I think Littlefinger ends up on the wrong end of that dagger, probably after a dramatic reveal of his past shadiness.
to turn one of the dragons into an ice dragon...that was foreshadowed enough, it was inevitable. I managed to mostly avoid leaks and spoilers before tonight, but that was telegraphed
And while it was a little convenient to have a few nondescript wildlings get sacrificed against the army of the dead, i liked the magnificent seven so much I'm glad only Thoros bought it
Was surprised at first the Hound didn't stay with Beric, but of course his destiny is likely still to face his brother. About time he returned to the south part of the story
Cool to see Benjen/Coldhands make one final appearance, but I was also hoping Jon would end up riding the second dragon to safety...will have to wait to see if that happens
And when oh when will Bran get the chance to throw a little family weirdness into the Jon and Daenerys love story
At this point I've stopped getting worked up about the points of weak writing or time travel - it was always going to be hard to write this story to a satisfying conclusion, they're setting it all up as well as they can
Ill never understand the complaints on time traveling
They've confirmed many times that MANY years have passed since the show started, arguably a decade since episode 1. Time IS passing. We have 7 damn episodes left. Do we want to spend those 7 episodes watching birds fly with messages for 30 minutes or Gendry riding back on a horse for a whole episode? What's the alternative??
And many who have not, don't realize the author's original plan for those books was to have a 5 year gap between the events of book 3 and 4. He abandoned that idea (and I actually think this the cause of his problems, but that's another story), but I view the show, the adaptation, as what it would have been like had that 5 year gap happened. And the traveling, time period, ages of people fit much better then and are not as head scratching. And this is the case in the show as the HBO episode guides confirm years have passed since the first episode.
And many who have not, don't realize the author's original plan for those books was to have a 5 year gap between the events of book 3 and 4. He abandoned that idea (and I actually think this the cause of his problems, but that's another story), but I view the show, the adaptation, as what it would have been like had that 5 year gap happened. And the traveling, time period, ages of people fit much better then and are not as head scratching. And this is the case in the show as the HBO episode guides confirm years have passed since the first episode.
Yeah. Sam actually confirmed it had been "years" since Season 4 a couple episodes back.
But IGN (who's reviews I typically agree with) didn't give this week's episode a favorable score at all, citing major pacing issues as well 6.9. Link - ( New Window )
RE: Ill never understand the complaints on time traveling
They've confirmed many times that MANY years have passed since the show started, arguably a decade since episode 1. Time IS passing. We have 7 damn episodes left. Do we want to spend those 7 episodes watching birds fly with messages for 30 minutes or Gendry riding back on a horse for a whole episode? What's the alternative??
Had this conversation with a friend - I think some peoples angst comes bc in earlier seasons, planned travel took longer and a lot of events happened along the way that changed the story - like Catelyn running into Tyrion and having him taken prisoner. Or, Arya and the Hound, or Jamie and Brienne traveling together for several episodes. Or we had plot lines like Robb taking half a season to fall in love while his army was camped.
To your point, now that the show is nearing its conclusion, the writers obviously have to deliver on the major events, like those we've seen this season. They can't include 3-4 episodes of character development anymore. And I've seen and read enough interviews with the writers and producers to appreciate the scope and scale of the production - almost every episode is a short feature film now in terms of production size.
The writers are including things to show time passing - like Gilly's little boy being clearly older last episode, or showing night time and then daylight to show a day had passed while Gendry traveled.
It makes a lot of sense to move things slower in the beginning. You need time to develop the characters and make people feel for them. They did that though. We have 7 episodes left. We dont need to see these guys rowing in a boat for 5 episodes. We already care about them. The stakes are already high in every battle. I watched this episode thinking I really did not want any of the 7 to die. I was on the edge of my seat thinking a couple of them were going to bite it. That's a testament to all the work they did leading us here. To me, it makes sense.
And no, its not perfect. There will always be nitpicky things but the sum is so much greater than the parts they can easily be overlooked IMO.
I mean this reviewer is seriously questioning where the white walkers got those chains from? Seriously? Who gives a fuck?
this big master ploy. He has very little options or friends left. He loves Sansa and has always wanted the throne but his best move is really to do nothing at this point. All the Starks together in one spot hurts his chances so he is trying to create a little feud and fan flames. I don't think its supposed to come off brilliant or anything.
Was it just me or did that episode suck and make no sense?
1. They're walking for miles, then Gendry makes it to the wall in 25 minutes?
2. "No Time" for Benjen to also hop on a horse?
3. Arya and Sansa thing. Everyone knew immediately in season 1 (or 2?) that the Queen was forcing her to write that. Also, why did she send Brienne away? And why is she trusting Littlefinger?
4. Why did the Night King aim for the flying dragon instead of Drogon who wasjust sitting there?
5. Jon screams "fall back." Fall back to what? They're on an island. And, if they could 'fall back' why didn't they do that right away?
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the captured wight to King's Landing since he was the one loading it on the boat. So hopefully him & Brienne will have a nice reunion.
Are we going to see Clegane bowl after all?
I'd lean towards yes, just because you know Cersei can't ever be cool. She's certainly planning something.
She doesn't know the Hound is coming. As far as I can tell King's Landing hasn't been informed of the plan to bring a weight to them.
She doesn't know the Hound is coming. As far as I can tell King's Landing hasn't been informed of the plan to bring a weight to them.
Cersei knows the plan, Jaime and Tyrion came to a proposed truce for both their queen's. Jaime even told Cersei in episode S7E5 that "Tyrion said he will bring proof" of the zombies.
My guess is the Hound will make the delivery, show them the proof but still get arrested. Remember he abandoned his post with the Lannister's but the Hound will demand a Trial by Combat to determine his fate. Cersei's champion should be the zombie Mountain and we should finally get the Clegane Bowl that's been long rumored.
Plus when I mention zombie Mountain, I'm guessing that the Mountain is half dead\half alive, similar to the way Uncle Benjen was.
We talked about it in the other GoT thread but here are the highlights about want we discussed there...
* There's an interesting theory that leads to Bran being the Night King. So the theory states he goes back to the moment the night king was created, wargs into the man.... tries to explain what will happen and why they shouldn't do this... they call bull shit and do it anyways leaving bran as the night king.
* That would also make a lot of sense. It's seems like the Night King has always been one step ahead of Bran in their visions. So this theory would help prove that since the Night King would always know what to expect since he first lived those experiences as Bran and always know a counter for all of Bran's moves.
* Plus also explain how in episode 6x05 Meera was able to drag Bran away without getting caught by all the Night Kings wrights. I know that Hodor and Uncle Benjen helped but if this theory is correct, the Night King would want Meera to get away and help Bran cross the Wall or he'd never exist.
* Not to even mention why the Night King has always looked at Jon with a special interest. If it is Bran, then of course he'd look with interest with what Jon is doing since it is his brother/cousin.
* The fact Old Nan told him the Night's King name is Brandon Stark can't be merely coincidental. Or could it?
* Plus the old Three Eyed Raven mentioned to Bran that he'd wouldn't walk again (In Bran's old crippled body) but that he would fly. Most thought this meant warging into birds or one of the dragons. Although now that the Night King has his very own dragon, if Bran is the Night King, he will be able to fly now.
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She doesn't know the Hound is coming. As far as I can tell King's Landing hasn't been informed of the plan to bring a weight to them.
Cersei knows the plan, Jaime and Tyrion came to a proposed truce for both their queen's. Jaime even told Cersei in episode S7E5 that "Tyrion said he will bring proof" of the zombies.
My guess is the Hound will make the delivery, show them the proof but still get arrested. Remember he abandoned his post with the Lannister's but the Hound will demand a Trial by Combat to determine his fate. Cersei's champion should be the zombie Mountain and we should finally get the Clegane Bowl that's been long rumored.
Plus when I mention zombie Mountain, I'm guessing that the Mountain is half dead\half alive, similar to the way Uncle Benjen was.
I think Benjen's deal is different. Injured & infected with whatever magic that makes the White Walkers go. Wasn't he basically confined to the North of The Wall? Couldn't return if he wanted?
The Mountain is some straight Frankenstein shit.
I think he knew how powerful Bran's abilities are and knew what would eventually happen. I'm guessing he was always so eager to find Bran to help train him for a longer period of time to prevent him from being the Night King. Then Bran didn't listen to him and got marked by the Night King and cut down the time the old Three Eyed Raven had to train Bran.
If this theory is true, knowing he'd die soon, I don't think it was an accident that in their last vision together, the Three Eyed Raven took Bran back in time to Winterfell and showed Bran a cruel example of what would happen if he left his powers unchecked and warged into a person, while using greensight. The way Bran neutered Hodor in that way, I'm sure the Three Eyed Raven was hoping that example would prevent Bran from doing it again. Which would prevent him from eventually becoming the Night King.
Again, I don't think it was an accident that the Three Eyed Raven choose to show Bran that right before he died.
I think Benjen's deal is different. Injured & infected with whatever magic that makes the White Walkers go. Wasn't he basically confined to the North of The Wall? Couldn't return if he wanted?
The Mountain is some straight Frankenstein shit.
I don't think they're that far apart. Qyburn was always interested in learning about topics that got him kicked out of the Citadel with human experiments. We know the maesters at the Citadel weren't fond of magic and maybe Qyburn found some old manuscripts that showed how to do magic to re-animated the dead (Similar to the magic that the Children did to re-animate Benjen after he died, so that he'd fight for the side of the living).
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We talked about it in the other GoT thread but here are the highlights about want we discussed there...
* There's an interesting theory that leads to Bran being the Night King. So the theory states he goes back to the moment the night king was created, wargs into the man.... tries to explain what will happen and why they shouldn't do this... they call bull shit and do it anyways leaving bran as the night king.
* That would also make a lot of sense. It's seems like the Night King has always been one step ahead of Bran in their visions. So this theory would help prove that since the Night King would always know what to expect since he first lived those experiences as Bran and always know a counter for all of Bran's moves.
* Plus also explain how in episode 6x05 Meera was able to drag Bran away without getting caught by all the Night Kings wrights. I know that Hodor and Uncle Benjen helped but if this theory is correct, the Night King would want Meera to get away and help Bran cross the Wall or he'd never exist.
* Not to even mention why the Night King has always looked at Jon with a special interest. If it is Bran, then of course he'd look with interest with what Jon is doing since it is his brother/cousin.
* The fact Old Nan told him the Night's King name is Brandon Stark can't be merely coincidental. Or could it?
* Plus the old Three Eyed Raven mentioned to Bran that he'd wouldn't walk again (In Bran's old crippled body) but that he would fly. Most thought this meant warging into birds or one of the dragons. Although now that the Night King has his very own dragon, if Bran is the Night King, he will be able to fly now.
This doesn't make sense to me. Bran seems like a good dude. His conscience gets trapped inside of the Night King and he just immediately decides "f*** it, now that I'm the Night King I'm killing all the humans?" The animosity towards the Children makes sense, but not the humans.
Then factor in, if the theory is true, that the Night King has been around since the First Men for thousands of years and has constantly been at war with the humans.
You don't think a good dude like Bran can go crazy over thousands of years battling the humans non-stop?
Current day Bran seems like a good dude, although a lot more cold and distant from the rest of humanity (his sisters and Meera) since becoming the Night King.
Meant to say since becoming the new Three Eyed Raven.
Then factor in, if the theory is true, that the Night King has been around since the First Men for thousands of years and has constantly been at war with the humans.
You don't think a good dude like Bran can go crazy over thousands of years battling the humans non-stop?
When Bran first wargs into the Night King, he has no experience being Night King. If he still had any consciousness at that point he could refuse to kill humans. If he had 0 consciousness then I don't find any of this all that interesting, I guess; just one big repeatable loop over and over. (Which is really the problem in any time-travel show; I hope Martin figured out something smarter than that.)
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I posted two good links on the non spoiler thread and also posted instructions on how to watch it on your HDTV. Whole process to get it on my HDTV took only 10-15 minutes.
Has to be. Littlefinger is playing them. If she's worried about Arya doing something to her, she'd want Brienne there, but if she's thinking about doing something to Arya, she'd want Brienne out of the way.
Maybe Bran can intervene, but he doesn't really seem to emotionally invested these day.
The strength of the show, story-wise, is still south of the wall, where there are sympathetic characters on both sides of the war. That could change, though, when we get the full story of the Night's King and he's more than just a scary dude with a zombie army and an ice dragon.
Lol, ya think?
Or does he become a Walker and the "ice dragon"?
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He was pulled from the ice and his eye opened. Does he come back from the dead?
Or does he become a Walker and the "ice dragon"?
Dragon's eye turned blue. He's a bad guy now. That was as about as predictable as it comes.
1. They're walking for miles, then Gendry makes it to the wall in 25 minutes?
2. "No Time" for Benjen to also hop on a horse?
3. Arya and Sansa thing. Everyone knew immediately in season 1 (or 2?) that the Queen was forcing her to write that. Also, why did she send Brienne away? And why is she trusting Littlefinger?
4. Why did the Night King aim for the flying dragon instead of Drogon who wasjust sitting there?
5. Jon screams "fall back." Fall back to what? They're on an island. And, if they could 'fall back' why didn't they do that right away?
6. Where'd the second dragon go?
Personally, I think either Littlefinger is being set up by one or both of the Stark girls, or his plan will be foiled another way - possibly by Bran. Arya might be testing Sansa, but I don't believe Arya will fall completely for Baelish's scheme.
1. They're walking for miles, then Gendry makes it to the wall in 25 minutes?
2. "No Time" for Benjen to also hop on a horse?
3. Arya and Sansa thing. Everyone knew immediately in season 1 (or 2?) that the Queen was forcing her to write that. Also, why did she send Brienne away? And why is she trusting Littlefinger?
4. Why did the Night King aim for the flying dragon instead of Drogon who wasjust sitting there?
5. Jon screams "fall back." Fall back to what? They're on an island. And, if they could 'fall back' why didn't they do that right away?
6. Where'd the second dragon go?
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1.) More time passed than 25 minutes. At least a day.
2.) It would have slowed them down. Benjen also wanted to die, he was half zombie living in a horrid state. His only mission was to take down more zombies.
3.) She sent Brianne because she does not trust Cersei enough to be around her (smart). She knows Littlefinger is after her and the throne so she can use that to her advantage.
4.) The flying dragon was circling around and coming toward him at the time he threw the arrow.
5.) The island had a little hill that went about 20 feet up. He was telling them to fall back to the top of the ridge of it to get a better advantage as a "last resort".
6.) The second dragon was shown multiple times. He was flying in the air when Viserys got shot down and he howled when it happened. He was shown flying over the wall at the end.
This reminds me of when arya got stabbed. Everyone was saying back then there must be some plan, or it wasn't really her, or this, or that... And it turned out she just got stabbed and then healed.
1. They're walking for miles, then Gendry makes it to the wall in 25 minutes?
2. "No Time" for Benjen to also hop on a horse?
3. Arya and Sansa thing. Everyone knew immediately in season 1 (or 2?) that the Queen was forcing her to write that. Also, why did she send Brienne away? And why is she trusting Littlefinger?
4. Why did the Night King aim for the flying dragon instead of Drogon who wasjust sitting there?
5. Jon screams "fall back." Fall back to what? They're on an island. And, if they could 'fall back' why didn't they do that right away?
6. Where'd the second dragon go?
1. The amount of time that elapses is always difficult to tell on this show - best not to think too hard about it.
2. Benjen has been half dead and roaming behind the wall for some time now. I think he felt it was finally his time to go.
3. As Arya explained, she felt that even though she was forced to write the letter it was still a betrayal of their father. And it adds to her suspicion that all Sansa ever cared about is being queen, even in spite of her family.
Brienne was sent away because Sansa doesn't trust that Cersei won't try to kill her if she goes. Also possibly to have no one preclude her from harming Arya if she decides that is necessary.
Sansa probably doesn't fully trust little finger, but at this point without Jon there, and Bran being a dick, she has no one else to confide in for important matters.
4. Either to show off, or because the dragon in the air would be in better position to retaliate if he instead killed the Dragon on the ground.
5. The lake became more frozen than it was previously allowing them to walk and run on it. Although they did seem surrounded, so not sure where they had space to go.
6. It did seem like one disappeared. But it became irrelevant after the night king took one down - Dany wasn't gonna have her dragons stick around any longer.
But, the whole plot from last episode was so dumb (bringing back a white walker? really?) and its bleeding into this episode.
But, the whole plot from last episode was so dumb (bringing back a white walker? really?) and its bleeding into this episode.
I agree with you there but most of your questions tonight can be easily explained. In fact, they showed all 3 dragons quite a bit.
But, the whole plot from last episode was so dumb (bringing back a white walker? really?) and its bleeding into this episode.
It was dumb - really from the beginning it's been a challenge for the writers to include the wight walkers into the show in a way that makes sense. But the last two episodes did serve the purpose of making clear what the stakes are and forging important relationships that will be key later on.
And while it was a little convenient to have a few nondescript wildlings get sacrificed against the army of the dead, i liked the magnificent seven so much I'm glad only Thoros bought it
Was surprised at first the Hound didn't stay with Beric, but of course his destiny is likely still to face his brother. About time he returned to the south part of the story
Cool to see Benjen/Coldhands make one final appearance, but I was also hoping Jon would end up riding the second dragon to safety...will have to wait to see if that happens
And when oh when will Bran get the chance to throw a little family weirdness into the Jon and Daenerys love story
At this point I've stopped getting worked up about the points of weak writing or time travel - it was always going to be hard to write this story to a satisfying conclusion, they're setting it all up as well as they can
Yeah. Sam actually confirmed it had been "years" since Season 4 a couple episodes back.
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Had this conversation with a friend - I think some peoples angst comes bc in earlier seasons, planned travel took longer and a lot of events happened along the way that changed the story - like Catelyn running into Tyrion and having him taken prisoner. Or, Arya and the Hound, or Jamie and Brienne traveling together for several episodes. Or we had plot lines like Robb taking half a season to fall in love while his army was camped.
To your point, now that the show is nearing its conclusion, the writers obviously have to deliver on the major events, like those we've seen this season. They can't include 3-4 episodes of character development anymore. And I've seen and read enough interviews with the writers and producers to appreciate the scope and scale of the production - almost every episode is a short feature film now in terms of production size.
The writers are including things to show time passing - like Gilly's little boy being clearly older last episode, or showing night time and then daylight to show a day had passed while Gendry traveled.
And no, its not perfect. There will always be nitpicky things but the sum is so much greater than the parts they can easily be overlooked IMO.
I mean this reviewer is seriously questioning where the white walkers got those chains from? Seriously? Who gives a fuck?
1. They're walking for miles, then Gendry makes it to the wall in 25 minutes?
2. "No Time" for Benjen to also hop on a horse?
3. Arya and Sansa thing. Everyone knew immediately in season 1 (or 2?) that the Queen was forcing her to write that. Also, why did she send Brienne away? And why is she trusting Littlefinger?
4. Why did the Night King aim for the flying dragon instead of Drogon who wasjust sitting there?
5. Jon screams "fall back." Fall back to what? They're on an island. And, if they could 'fall back' why didn't they do that right away?
6. Where'd the second dragon go?
Amen. Lots to love but these really bugged me.