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grizz299 : 8/17/2017 9:19 am
There was a reasonable point of view at the time of this surprising pick that a "win now" team should have gone with a player that could help in this time zone and not a developmental type that was years away.
I didn't feel that way, but I didn't anticipate the roster problem we'd face.
We're going to be forced to cut some significant talent for a roster spot that doesn't play specials and effectively wasted.
I think Smith could be marvelously productive and just what the doctor ordered. The kid is one of the strongest players on the team, he "willing", the blocker we need, has demonstrated excellent hands. I think we could profit from sets that go "old fashioned" and have two tight ends and a fullback and halfback. And if that puts one of our superb WR's on the bench the flexibility of Evan E. compensates.
If we keep Smith then LaCrosse AND Tye have toboth go and a number game turns toxic because I like both of those guys and Tye is a lot better than last year while LaCrosse looks close to brilliant.
I also see a talent overload at DE where the very capable Wynn might be a casualty caused by that useless roster spot. I see a guy like Pinkins who could be very useful "generalist" going too.
I don't know enough about Webb to be critical and it may turn out to be a brilliant move, but I hate to see guys who have talent and have worked their butts off cut at any time, but particularly under circumstances like these.
Question: Can they claim an injury and hide Webb on the IR? Or is that blantant forgery and not acceptable?.
So, you want to fake an injury so he doesn't get all the mental reps  
robbieballs2003 : 8/17/2017 9:30 am : link
Doesn't go to away games, etc.? The whole point of what they are doing with him is to get him experience and mental reps while he works on the physical reps with his drops and worming with other WRs on his own time. You want to take that away from him?

And, he wasn't that surprising of a pick. There were rumors that we were very interested in him prior to the draft.
If Lacosse looks "next to brilliant"  
CT Charlie : 8/17/2017 9:32 am : link
then why are you worried about losing Tye?

A quarterback to replace Eli is far more valuable than a 3rd or 4th string TE. I'm assuming that our scouts considered Webb as good a QB prospect as we're likely to find in the next 2-3 years, given where we hope to draft. Already he looks like a good choice -- smart, hard working, good arm, humble...
Lol some people worry about the dumbest crap  
eli4life : 8/17/2017 10:09 am : link
We possibly have a replacement for Eli but needs time to sit and learn behind the greatest giants qb of all time or we could keep a roster bubble guy. Most likely neither will dress anyways so to me give me the guy with the potential upside anyday
I like the title of your thread  
Jimmy Googs : 8/17/2017 10:11 am : link
the rest...ehh
What you describe is a very small price for  
joeinpa : 8/17/2017 10:25 am : link
A chance at the next franchise quarterback. I subscribe to the idea you draft a quarterback often until you find your next franchise player
I like keeping Smith at fb,  
Ira : 8/17/2017 10:25 am : link
then going with Ellison, Engram and Adams at te.
RE: I like keeping Smith at fb,  
mrvax : 8/17/2017 10:33 am : link
In comment 13563013 Ira said:
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then going with Ellison, Engram and Adams at te.



Me too, Ira.
Me three  
fivehead : 8/17/2017 10:44 am : link
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Seriously?  
djstat : 8/17/2017 10:58 am : link
We did not Draft Webb to stash him on IR. He needs reps and he gets reps running the scout team to work on his mechanics etc.
only 46 dress game day  
bluepepper : 8/17/2017 11:00 am : link
anyway so there's always 7 dead spots. Some of those not dressing will be injured but but you don't know what position is going to be hit by injuries. It could be QB. So carrying 3 QB's is not stupid or crazy at all. Plenty of teams do it. QB is kind of a critical position after all.
" lots of teams do it"  
grizz299 : 8/17/2017 11:12 am : link
Understood, but we seem to have an abundance of talent this year and I hate seeing a good player cut.
Amazing how folks here assume a position and label you with it, I never said I was against Webb, never said it wasn't appropriate, just looked at the unanticipated consequences of cutting a worthwhile player. Consequences that I didn't think about at the time of the draft.
IF the Giants want to be consistent winners, see NE & GB,  
Tom in NY : 8/17/2017 11:29 am : link
they need to have a plan for the future at all times.

NE didn't need Garapolo..they took him anyway.
NE didn't need Brissette...they took him anyway.

GB has had a pipeline of backup QBs going back to Hasslebeck, then they took Rogers in '07. They currently have Hundley, who was fairly well thought of when he came out of UCLA, backing up Rogers.

Yes, they will lose a Tye, probably Roger Lewis as well....it's ok. Good teams cut good players as they have stronger overall rosters. I remember in the '70's waiting to see who Pittsburgh or Dallas would cut so the Giants could sign them. When the Giants were good in the'80's other teams waited on which Giants LBs were going to get cut.

This spider says i'm good ...  
Spider56 : 8/17/2017 2:00 pm : link
as long as they don't keep Tye ... He'll never be an NFL quality blocker.
there's talk of keeping 4 TE's  
UConn4523 : 8/17/2017 2:06 pm : link
I'd rather a legit back up QB (if that's Smith) + Webb and cut a TE.

You can't have your cake and eat it too. Finding Eli's replacement is going to take some time, some risk, and some luck. Gotta just deal with it.
I  
jpennyva : 8/17/2017 2:36 pm : link
am among those who would rather not waste a roster spot carrying three QBs, though I know it will happen. I don't (yet - I realize there are still three more preseason games to be played) have much confidence in either Geno or Johnson and would prefer to just hand it over to Webb were Eli to have to miss some games. I disagree with Webb not getting many training camp and practice snaps. There are those who make the argument that Geno might be able to carry the Giants through a few games if need be but I just don't think that would happen, though it would depend on which games. If the Giants are going to develop Webb, then get on with it. I hope Eli plays another four years but that may not be in the cards for a variety of reasons. I would definitely prefer to have that roster spot open for other areas where the team could use more depth.
The problem with "getting on with it"  
UConn4523 : 8/17/2017 2:46 pm : link
is that if we roll with Webb and Eli has to miss 2 or 3 games, we have a guy who's not ready which could end up in all games being losses. Withy our defense, Geno gives us a veteran who can make the occasional play and manage a game.

May not seem like much now, but it's likely the difference between playoffs or bust should Eli miss a bit of time. IMO Webb needs an entire year to sit and not even think about playing. Learn, get better in practice, look to year 2 to get the backup job. Us cutting a Will Tye won't make a difference one way or another.
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arcarsenal : 8/17/2017 2:54 pm : link
I know Geno isn't popular around here but I do think with the defense we have, we wouldn't be completely punting a game if Eli was hurt. Webb is just way too green - if he's Eli's primary backup, we're probably guaranteed to lose if he goes down for any reason.

Geno would probably be the best backup QB Eli has had, believe it or not (excluding Warner). Carr is probably the most comparable. Guys like JLoad, Painter, Rosenfels, Nassib... pretty bad.

If Eli was injured long-term (please, never let this happen...) I think we're probably fucked regardless, but if he had to miss 2-3 games, I do think we could win 1-2 of them with Geno and stay above water.
How about we base it on  
Doomster : 8/17/2017 3:29 pm : link
the next three preseason games?

If we see Geno continue to make the same bonehead plays, then hell, yes, roll the dice on Webb, and save a roster spot....

I say start Geno ahead of Johnson, and have him play with the 1's and show what he can do.....especially, in that 4th game....
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