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JT Thomas takes pay cut

nygiants16 : 8/17/2017 9:36 am
2.975 to 775k, incentives if he plays more than 70% of snaps
He could be a better  
area junc : 8/17/2017 9:39 am : link
nickel LB than Casillas. Think JC may've peaked last year
Milton now has to focus on something else now.  
robbieballs2003 : 8/17/2017 9:39 am : link
I kid, I kid.
I'm sure the NFLPA is thrilled  
feelflows : 8/17/2017 9:43 am : link
good move by JR... it's really no risk.
RE: Milton now has to focus on something else now.  
Milton : 8/17/2017 9:43 am : link
In comment 13562956 robbieballs2003 said:
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I kid, I kid.

I love it when a plan comes together... - ( New Window )
Even that's too much  
jeff57 : 8/17/2017 9:52 am : link
;)
Casillas is the captain of the D  
adamg : 8/17/2017 9:53 am : link
He's not going anywhere. I don't get the Casillas hate as of late. Dude does everything right and represents us well.
And this is good stuff  
adamg : 8/17/2017 9:54 am : link
We are light on LB talent. If Thomas can come back and produce all the better. And if he can't, we just saved 3.2 mill towards the cap.
RE: Casillas is the captain of the D  
jeff57 : 8/17/2017 9:54 am : link
In comment 13562968 adamg said:
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He's not going anywhere. I don't get the Casillas hate as of late. Dude does everything right and represents us well.


He's not that good. Not that may weaker 4-3 WILLs.
anyone know  
Andy in Boston : 8/17/2017 9:58 am : link
how much cap space giants currently have?
Casillas is an ideal backup  
JonC : 8/17/2017 10:01 am : link
but JT hasn't demonstrated much playmaking ability at WILL either.
RE: anyone know  
adamg : 8/17/2017 10:02 am : link
In comment 13562972 Andy in Boston said:
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how much cap space giants currently have?


Cap space numbers from the two different sites before this deal takes effect:

OTC: $6,297,245
Spotrac: $5,328,055

JT was due 3 mill with 4 in dead cap space.
Sorry  
adamg : 8/17/2017 10:03 am : link
he was due 4 mill with 1 mill in dead cap space.

So this saves at most 3.2 mill
Thomas Can Cover TE  
Samiam : 8/17/2017 10:04 am : link
He's probably the best LB in covering a TE. If he's healthy and can stay that way, he's an upgrade
And I'm wrong again  
adamg : 8/17/2017 10:04 am : link
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Sources: Giants LB JT Thomas has taken a pay cut from $2.975M to $775K, with a roster bonus of $20k and $400k if he plays 70% of the snaps.


Saves 2.2 mill at most
RE: And I'm wrong again  
feelflows : 8/17/2017 10:08 am : link
In comment 13562981 adamg said:
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Sources: Giants LB JT Thomas has taken a pay cut from $2.975M to $775K, with a roster bonus of $20k and $400k if he plays 70% of the snaps.



Saves 2.2 mill at most


that's 2.2 mill more to spend on.. a future camp cut?
RE: RE: And I'm wrong again  
adamg : 8/17/2017 10:12 am : link
In comment 13562987 feelflows said:
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Sources: Giants LB JT Thomas has taken a pay cut from $2.975M to $775K, with a roster bonus of $20k and $400k if he plays 70% of the snaps.



Saves 2.2 mill at most



that's 2.2 mill more to spend on.. a future camp cut?


Or an OL next offseason
Dan Duggan with some addtl facts  
adamg : 8/17/2017 10:15 am : link
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Dan Duggan ✔ @DDuggan21
Giants are $9.7 million under the cap after the Thomas pay cut, according to the NFLPA records.
This is a good thing. If our LBs can't play better  
Jimmy Googs : 8/17/2017 10:16 am : link
the Giants should at least pay them less...
RE: Dan Duggan with some addtl facts  
jeff57 : 8/17/2017 10:17 am : link
In comment 13562998 adamg said:
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Dan Duggan ✔ @DDuggan21
Giants are $9.7 million under the cap after the Thomas pay cut, according to the NFLPA records.


Can now take on a Joe Thomas/Joe Staley type contract.
RE: Thomas Can Cover TE  
nygiants16 : 8/17/2017 10:21 am : link
In comment 13562980 Samiam said:
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He's probably the best LB in covering a TE. If he's healthy and can stay that way, he's an upgrade


i think keenan robinson is the best coverage linebacker on the team
RE: RE: Dan Duggan with some addtl facts  
adamg : 8/17/2017 10:21 am : link
In comment 13563002 jeff57 said:
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Dan Duggan ✔ @DDuggan21
Giants are $9.7 million under the cap after the Thomas pay cut, according to the NFLPA records.




Can now take on a Joe Thomas/Joe Staley type contract.


I wonder what the 49ers would want. I assume picks are a hot commodity to them given next year's draft pool and their dearth of anything resembling NFL quality at the position.
RE: RE: RE: Dan Duggan with some addtl facts  
jeff57 : 8/17/2017 10:23 am : link
In comment 13563006 adamg said:
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Dan Duggan ✔ @DDuggan21
Giants are $9.7 million under the cap after the Thomas pay cut, according to the NFLPA records.




Can now take on a Joe Thomas/Joe Staley type contract.



I wonder what the 49ers would want. I assume picks are a hot commodity to them given next year's draft pool and their dearth of anything resembling NFL quality at the position.


I'm sure they would want at least a 2.
ok this should hold off the BBI money hounds for a few weeks  
djm : 8/17/2017 10:25 am : link
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RE: RE: Thomas Can Cover TE  
NikkiMac : 8/17/2017 10:28 am : link
In comment 13563005 nygiants16 said:
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He's probably the best LB in covering a TE. If he's healthy and can stay that way, he's an upgrade


Good then on passing downs Robinson and Thomas as the linebackers and then bring in a 3rd safety or corner and stop guys like Witten and Reed !


i think keenan robinson is the best coverage linebacker on the team
He was probably given an offer he couldn't refuse  
Gman11 : 8/17/2017 11:06 am : link
his signature on the contract or .....
Has anyone reported how much of the reduced base is guaranteed?  
Big Blue Blogger : 8/17/2017 11:21 am : link
Usually, a reduction that big is accompanied by a partial guarantee. Otherwise, there isn't much incentive for the player to sign it: he's better off asking for his release. If a significant portion is now guaranteed, it's an indication that Thomas has a pretty good shot at the final roster.

Of course, the Giants might have squeezed him by threatening to delay his release until September, making it much more difficult for him to find a new team; but that's not the way this organization generally operates.

This seems like good news. No downside, really. A healthy Thomas provides versatile depth and a lot of value on special teams.
Must be very unpleasant  
Steve in South Jersey : 8/17/2017 11:35 am : link
for the whole world to know when you are forced to take a pay cut or if you are fired ... and have them cheer.
Why are they hoarding cap room?  
Heisenberg : 8/17/2017 11:42 am : link
to be able to pay OBJ down the line?
RE: Has anyone reported how much of the reduced base is guaranteed?  
Milton : 8/17/2017 11:42 am : link
In comment 13563143 Big Blue Blogger said:
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Of course, the Giants might have squeezed him by threatening to delay his release until September, making it much more difficult for him to find a new team
But if he's healthy, they would have no excuse to keep him out of practice. And if he practices, he could tear an ACL. And if he tore an ACL, the Giants would be on the hook for the whole $3M.

I'm sure his agent made some phone calls and nobody was offering anything more than the minimum. Better for him to stick with the team and the defense he knows.
RE: Why are they hoarding cap room?  
Milton : 8/17/2017 11:43 am : link
In comment 13563188 Heisenberg said:
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to be able to pay OBJ down the line?
There's a lot of people to pay besides just OBJ.
RE: RE: Why are they hoarding cap room?  
Heisenberg : 8/17/2017 11:49 am : link
In comment 13563192 Milton said:
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to be able to pay OBJ down the line?

There's a lot of people to pay besides just OBJ.


Good point.
Milton: Are you saying that none of the reduced base is guaranteed...  
Big Blue Blogger : 8/17/2017 12:05 pm : link
...and that Thomas has little chance of making the team, despite the reduction? Or are you just making stuff up to be argumentative?
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But if he's healthy, they would have no excuse to keep him out of practice. And if he practices, he could tear an ACL. And if he tore an ACL, the Giants would be on the hook for the whole $3M.
Well, OK - that might have been a concern. But it's pretty easy to limit a player's reps to the point where he would basically have to pull a Derrick Ward (tripping on the steps after practice) to qualify for injured reserve. They don't need an "excuse" to drop a player to the bottom of the depth chart and make him a spectator. See the 49ers' handling of Kaepernick after they wrote him out of their plans.
RE: Milton: Are you saying that none of the reduced base is guaranteed...  
Milton : 8/17/2017 1:39 pm : link
In comment 13563235 Big Blue Blogger said:
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...and that Thomas has little chance of making the team, despite the reduction? Or are you just making stuff up to be argumentative?
I have no idea if any of it is guaranteed or not. It certainly wouldn't surprise me if $100K-$300K is guaranteed and my guess is that he'll make the roster if he can stay healthy through the remainder of the preseason. I always thought the Giants would be on the lookout for a veteran LB following cut-down day, but with Thomas at an affordable salary, they won't need to.


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Milton said:
Quote: But if he's healthy, they would have no excuse to keep him out of practice. And if he practices, he could tear an ACL. And if he tore an ACL, the Giants would be on the hook for the whole $3M.

Well, OK - that might have been a concern. But it's pretty easy to limit a player's reps to the point where he would basically have to pull a Derrick Ward (tripping on the steps after practice) to qualify for injured reserve. They don't need an "excuse" to drop a player to the bottom of the depth chart and make him a spectator. See the 49ers' handling of Kaepernick after they wrote him out of their plans.
It's not as easy as you think with the NFLPA wise to such a tactic. If that was their plan, they would be better off leaving him on PUP until September before giving him the ultimatum.

But no need to explore hypotheticals at this point. This played out as well as could be expected for the Giants.
Funny thing is, everyone has an opinion  
Dry Lightning : 8/17/2017 2:08 pm : link
But no one knows a damn thing about this guy. It's like he has been here for years and has never fucking played. A damn farce. But Casillas turned out to be a player after an extended intro, so maybe we will catch lightning in a bottle again.
Reminds me of of the Snee situation ...  
Manny in CA : 8/17/2017 2:11 pm : link

Recall, he was playing with patches all over him, when he was finally forced to retire.

IF JT can play, he's terrific (I remember how he tore us up when he was with JAX).

If he is done, for sure, I think it will be evident very soon {to the Giants and HIM). I truly hope for the team sake and him that he's OK.
Casillas was 3rd among LBs in PDs with 5  
adamg : 8/17/2017 2:25 pm : link
per PFF.

Plus he had the tackle of the year last year on fourth down during that Ravens game. Knocked the blocker back and finished the play. That was amazing.


Video analysis of the play - ( New Window )
Weird year to be picking on Casillas.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/17/2017 3:20 pm : link
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That's a huge cut  
Ron Johnson 30 : 8/17/2017 3:35 pm : link
but it provides him some security.
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