-First let me say that this really isn't about "trashing" Sandy and the job he has done
-I'm vocal about my dislike of ownership. I fully realize that a large percentage of the Mets "problems" is due to budgetary issues. Reading between the lines of Sandy's comments yesterday you should expect a lower payroll in 2018. That being said improvement doesn't have to come with spending.
I am of the belief that we need a regime change. Sandy's "patience" has been a virtue in many ways.... going forward the Mets need to be bold, they need to be open-minded, they need to be proactive and they need to willing to make moves on the fly. I do not personally feel Sandy and this FO is best equipped to partake in such a vast change in philosophy. The Mets likely need a younger, more energized person who will be willing to "tinker" more. Trades like the Hicks deal for the Yankees, Beckham for Baltimore, Dyson to Seattle. Moves like these "minor" deals that sometimes work out big.
With the minors, I think if you can add 2-3 farm guys to your roster year over year, that's pretty good.
Age is beyond relevant when it comes to minor leaguers and the level they play. If you can't see that I don't know what to tell you. Convenient you didn't respond to my hypothetical where Plawecki is dealt for Profar, Profar puts up a big 2018, you'd be telling people to hold their horses on Profar? Career .229 hitter and all? If Sandy traded Plawecki for Kolten Wong pre-2017, Wong posts his current 2017 season .846 OPS, you'd be saying "guys, don't give Sandy credit yet, Wong is 26 and career a .248 hitter?" yeah okay.
You don't think it's relevant that the guy is getting lit up by A ball hitting?
@keithlaw anything positive to say on Ryder ryan
keithlaw Retweeted Ryan Brodie
Teflon Terry can't play him over Conforto
LOL, Law still has finger on the pulse of the Mets. Ask him about Tebow.
So your stance is every minor leaguer is a prospect? That's your right. Thanks for the clarification.
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I understand your a stats guy, but I just don't have any interest arguing stats about a guy who has barely played in the minors. It's pointless.
You don't think it's relevant that the guy is getting lit up by A ball hitting?
I'm saying give the guy a minute in the Mets organization before we throw him in the garbage.
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Ryan Brodie @ItsChodezzzz
@keithlaw anything positive to say on Ryder ryan
keithlaw Retweeted Ryan Brodie
Teflon Terry can't play him over Conforto
LOL, Law still has finger on the pulse of the Mets. Ask him about Tebow.
Tebow is ..3 for his last 32, 6 for his last 51 with 19 k's. If there were any time for Law to want to talk about Tebow now would likely be that time lol
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I understand your a stats guy, but I just don't have any interest arguing stats about a guy who has barely played in the minors. It's pointless.
So your stance is every minor leaguer is a prospect? That's your right. Thanks for the clarification.
No, I'm saying the guys that Alderson traded for could end up being good, or they could end up sucking. But to say that any of us have any clue what that outcome will be, would be a lie.
I mean hey, Aaron Hicks is suddenly good at age 27. These things happen.
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In comment 13563660 DanMetroMan said:
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Ryan Brodie @ItsChodezzzz
@keithlaw anything positive to say on Ryder ryan
keithlaw Retweeted Ryan Brodie
Teflon Terry can't play him over Conforto
LOL, Law still has finger on the pulse of the Mets. Ask him about Tebow.
Tebow is ..3 for his last 32, 6 for his last 51 with 19 k's. If there were any time for Law to want to talk about Tebow now would likely be that time lol
Oh yeah, and to me it's irrelevant how good or bad Tebow does, I just love his reaction.
With the minors, I think if you can add 2-3 farm guys to your roster year over year, that's pretty good.
So you think baseball america, fangraphs and baseball prospectus (and today minorleagueball.com) all saying the system is very poor right now aren't being "patient" enough? No. The system is very thin right now and any neutral observer would agree. Top 10 prospect list is going to be very ugly opening day.
If Sandy didn't make any moves, you guys would be up in arms about that as well.
This notion that there were somehow amazingly better offers out there for the players the Mets got is a joke. You think Alderson is deliberately trying to make the farm system worse?
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3. David Peterson, LHP
4. Justin Dunn, RHP (awful year)
5. Andres Gimenez, SS
6. Tomas Nido, C
7. Thomas Szapucki, LHP (will miss next year)
8. Brandon Nimmo, OF
9. Merandy Gonzalez, RHP (Traded)
10. Chris Flexen, RHP
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3. Andres Gimenez, SS
4. David Peterson, LHP
5. Justin Dunn, RHP (awful year)
6. Ronny Mauricio, SS (likely won't even play in this country next year, and if he does it'll be GCL)
7. Mark Vientos, SS
8. Chris Flexen, RHP
9. Thomas Szapucki, LHP (miss the year)
10. Peter Alonso, 1B
That being said, Sandy did the best he could with the trades that were out there. What else is there to say? The Mets roster as it stands now is a mix of injured talented pitchers, young farm guys, and Cespedes.
If Sandy didn't make any moves, you guys would be up in arms about that as well.
This notion that there were somehow amazingly better offers out there for the players the Mets got is a joke. You think Alderson is deliberately trying to make the farm system worse?
Sandy more than implied money being saved was at least part of the equation in these deals so it is very believable they could have received more if that wasn't a prerequisite. We will never know.
Cabrera 2B
Conforto CF
Céspedes LF
Smith 1B
Rosario SS
d’Arnaud C
Reynolds 3B
Matz LHP
This fucking team.
So you think it's a good thing that all we had to deal at the deadline is guys that were worth nothing? Isn't that Sandy's fault for putting together a bad team with little of value to restock the system?
Look at how the Yankees restocked their system last year. Even when they wern't contending they had assets on the roster and made savvy moves to reload.
I'd like Lev'eon Bell on the Giants. Is that Reese's fault we don't have him?
We are in 2017 and talking about what's best for 2018 an onward. Dan's post wasn't meant to kill Sandy, it was to advocate for another path forward.
Coughlin did a lot more for the Giants than Sandy did for the Mets and wasn't awarded a lifetime job.
If you don't think that age is relevant in the minor leagues then you clearly don't follow it closely.
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Ryan is "already 22" ...when you just were making the point that Alderson should go after more guys like Hicks...who is 27...and hadn't shown anything at all in the majors before the Yankees traded for him.
If you don't think that age is relevant in the minor leagues then you clearly don't follow it closely.
Not getting in the argument either way but this is Ryans first year ever pitching in a full season. He was a position player in college. Kind of hard to fault the age in this scenario. He very well could amount to nothing though. Sandy saw something he liked. I'm willing to see it develop a little more.
Makes absolutely no sense and then we will go into next year "what if" "maybe" etc. Still 6 weeks left but lets get him in there. I keep repeating this but it's not just about being able to start him once a week.. what if Cespedes goes on the DL, is Nimmo a guy you can run out there for 2-3 weeks? Is he a guy whose body will stand up to playing often? Lets find out.
Maybe they think they are about to trade Granderson? Other than that I have no idea.
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Not one game the whole series? Ugh.
Maybe they think they are about to trade Granderson? Other than that I have no idea.
Has to be the reason but Nimmo can't even get in one day out of 4? I think most teams know what they are going to get in Granderson. Hell, give Cespedes a day off. Do we need him playing every day for something?
Junior Wilpon could not run a Dairy Queen let alone an MLB franchise.
TJ for everyone. mets got a group discount
TC has to play "his guys"
I viewed him as a placeholder but agree he has hung on too long. He had guys who played well and hard for him, but he was not a good gameday manager. Of course sandy let those clubhouse guys walk.
I also blame sandy for letting Reyes walk at his peak for value for nothing. I had not problem with not resigning him but never understood why we didn't try to trade him when we knew we weren't resigning him.
All that said, do you have any confidence in Alderson's to hire a suitable replacement for Collins?
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...he was a bad hire from day one and he's only gotten worse.
I viewed him as a placeholder but agree he has hung on too long. He had guys who played well and hard for him, but he was not a good gameday manager. Of course sandy let those clubhouse guys walk.
I also blame sandy for letting Reyes walk at his peak for value for nothing. I had not problem with not resigning him but never understood why we didn't try to trade him when we knew we weren't resigning him.
All that said, do you have any confidence in Alderson's to hire a suitable replacement for Collins?
The replacement will likely be someone like Hale/Melvin. 100% someone with some level of upper level experience and almost certainly not a "young" guy.
As of right now they would be picking 7th. Oakland is sitting in the 5 spot at 53-68, the Mets are 53-66, Tigers 53-67, The Reds have 5 more losses so realistically the Mets will be picking 5-9.
So they aren't going to give Cecchini a look (a guy they fucking picked in the first round) so appease Cabrera? Instead, they are going to play a guy with a 74 career wRC at 3B. Maybe this team really does need a complete overhaul in the front office and on field management.
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Mets have confirmed Reynolds will be "the" 3b right now. All I can guess is they aren't particularly high on Cecchini and/or Cabrera was only willing to play 3b when he thought he might be traded and they don't think Cecchini can handle 3b in a passable way.
So they aren't going to give Cecchini a look (a guy they fucking picked in the first round) so appease Cabrera? Instead, they are going to play a guy with a 74 career wRC at 3B. Maybe this team really does need a complete overhaul in the front office and on field management.
They haven't said it's because of Cabrera but one can only assume. Cecchini can't play 3b so now he won't be playing? Sure seems like Cabrera refuses to move over there so Reynolds is the only option.