and No. While it would be a tough decision the Giants have to save money to extend Beckham, Collins, and possibly Pugh and Richburg. They can't afford to spend 12 million+ of cap room on a RB.
And by the way, the offensive line blows. I know that doesn't matter as much in Madden, but in real life it matters.
Actually, Le'Veon Bell has been more productive than Marshall Faulk in 14 fewer games over the course of their first 4 seasons.
Le'Veon averages 4.5 yards rushing per attempt vs. Marshall Faulk's 3.8, more receptions and reception yards per game and 15 fewer fumbles over that same timeframe. Faulk only leads in TDs and like I said, he played 14 more games.
So tell me again how he's not in the same discussion...
He's not in the same discussion because I'm going to need to see Bell actually score 26 TDs in a season, or average over 5 yards per carry, or string together 4 seasons of 2000+ total yards, before I make the comparison.
Some fans today are ridiculous. A guy puts up a couple good years to start his career and all of a sudden he merits comparison to an all time great?
Bell has played 4 seasons...only 1 of them a full 16 game season. He hasn't earned a comparison to Marshall Faulk. It's fucking ridiculous.
He's not in the same discussion because I'm going to need to see Bell actually score 26 TDs in a season, or average over 5 yards per carry, or string together 4 seasons of 2000+ total yards, before I make the comparison.
Some fans today are ridiculous. A guy puts up a couple good years to start his career and all of a sudden he merits comparison to an all time great?
Bell has played 4 seasons...only 1 of them a full 16 game season. He hasn't earned a comparison to Marshall Faulk. It's fucking ridiculous.
really enjoying this new BBI dynamic: god forbid we use actual per game data to compare players ... "in my day ... get off my lawn!" - sorry, this generation has special players too.
for me would be that Bell is a missed drug test away from a year long suspension, so even if the Steelers yank the FT I don't know that I'd pony up that same cash.
I'd sign him only really to an incentive-laden deal where the guarantees would be minimal and that wouldn't get it done. Some team will risk it with him.
I really don;t care much to compare Faulk and Bell
I'm just gonna say this Le'Veon Bell is a heck of a football player. His patience in running, and the pause he takes before putting his moves on, is uncanny and a thing of absolute beauty.
There is no doubt in my book that he is a top, multi-tooled, offensive weapon.
Business decision considering the contracts that are coming up. I also dont think this team is only a RB away from having "the greatest offense in NFL history ... "
We don't know what we have as far as an O line, ODB's contract looms, as does Collins', and depending on their play, Pugh and Richburg shortly after. Plus if we want to add a significant piece to the line via FA, that'll cost a bunch. So ask yourself again the question: "how important is a pricey running back to this offense?"
RE: I really don;t care much to compare Faulk and Bell
I'm just gonna say this Le'Veon Bell is a heck of a football player. His patience in running, and the pause he takes before putting his moves on, is uncanny and a thing of absolute beauty.
There is no doubt in my book that he is a top, multi-tooled, offensive weapon.
yeah, but to me..imo, to allocate that position at the top of your cap $$ spent isn't worth the shelf life of position and as said, a dime a dozen by committee position these days...yes great RB with uncanny running style..but it wouldn't be wise..plus insuring trouble off field with him..
I just ask that he prove it first. I'm not one of these idiots that compares JJ Watt to LT, or Odell Beckham to Jerry Rice. Let them earn that comparison before having it bestowed upon them. I know, it's a crazy thought.
That's the same stupid argument you made when you said Megatron was better than Jerry Rice. But hey, if you want to play:
Leveon Bell's per game (4 year career): 86 yards rushing, 43 yards receiving, .55 TDs
Marshall Faulk's per game (98-01): 91, 59, 1.15 TDs
When Leveon Bell puts up numbers like that, then he gets to be compared to Marshall Faulk. Until then he's just Leveon Bell.
yes, cherry picking years to count makes the data much more accurate.
and yes, Calvin Johnson is one of the most unique physical specimens this sport has ever seen and his per game production is on par with "the goat". Have a lovely day
That's the same stupid argument you made when you said Megatron was better than Jerry Rice. But hey, if you want to play:
Leveon Bell's per game (4 year career): 86 yards rushing, 43 yards receiving, .55 TDs
Marshall Faulk's per game (98-01): 91, 59, 1.15 TDs
When Leveon Bell puts up numbers like that, then he gets to be compared to Marshall Faulk. Until then he's just Leveon Bell.
yes, cherry picking years to count makes the data much more accurate.
and yes, Calvin Johnson is one of the most unique physical specimens this sport has ever seen and his per game production is on par with "the goat". Have a lovely day
Wait are we using data or are we talking about physical specimens? Calvin Johnson's production is not on par with Rice's...it actually isn't close. The only reason you were able to even make that half-assed case is that Rice played 20 years to Johnson's 9. Had Johnson played 20 years his averages would have declined similarly to Rice's. But if you take Rice's first 9 years of his career he obliterates Johnson. Johnson is not in Rice's class. He never was.
Regarding Bell and Faulk...I get to cherry pick Faulk's best years because you made the insane comparison to start with. If Bell puts up similar production to Faulk's best he earns the comparison; until then it's just bullshit.
and I think you can def compare his impact to his team to that of Faulk up to this point. It's semantics if you are going to actually compare him to Faulk because he will need to do this for a much longer time for that to be fair.
All that being said, he's not coming to the Giants no matter what. We don't have the money(we will need to pay Odell next year). Not a good fit.
have the greatest offense in NFL history ... figure it out next year
No.
1. This will NOT be the best offense in NFL history with this OL.
2. With the contract extensions coming up in the next 2 years, you're essentially trading 2-4 years of future mediocrity for a shot at this year's SB. Yet a single injury, Bell, Manning in particular, Beckham would essentially make this years shot a pipe dream. A cluster of injuries less drastic at certain positions, CB or OL, would have the same effect.
which has a short lifespan, so any contract you give him risks being a burden towards the back end. This coupled with the fact that our offense and offensive line aren't really set up to run the ball right now make it so we wouldn't get value from investing big dollars in this position.
Signing him would also prohibit us extending OBJ, Collins, Pugh and Richburg in the next couple of years. Also notable we will need cap room to fill spots at the LB position as most of our current players are not signed for 2018.
I'd rather have Le'Veon Bell than Pugh/Richburg/Kennard
for me would be that Bell is a missed drug test away from a year long suspension, so even if the Steelers yank the FT I don't know that I'd pony up that same cash.
I'd sign him only really to an incentive-laden deal where the guarantees would be minimal and that wouldn't get it done. Some team will risk it with him.
This. It absolutely would not happen because Bell would not likely be able to get great production behind the Giants OL and he would know that. He's not coming to the Giants. Money would be better spent elsewhere.
Would figure Giants need the $ to re-sign Collins and Beckham before adding a, although terrific, back. They may need to look long term for either Pugh or Richburg too but some can argue they're not worth that.
Is the ONLY running back i would pay that money to. he is still in his prime and he does EVERYTHING well and yes, I think he can even be successful behind our line. He is the most patient runner who finds his own holes and runs with great vision and balance. He also a terrific receiver out of the backfield. Hate the Steelers but love watching this guy play.
the beauty of Bell is not only his patience, but he's essentially an elite WR in the backfield as well ... he does it all.
Greatest offense in NFL history?
Wow.
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have the greatest offense in NFL history ... figure it out next year
Greatest offense in NFL history?
Wow.
he's a modern day Faulk - Odell, Marshall, Shepard, Engram + a back like Bell
yes, quite possibly the greatest offense in NFL history. on what planet is there a defense that could even think about matching up with that?
Actually, Le'Veon Bell has been more productive than Marshall Faulk in 14 fewer games over the course of their first 4 seasons.
Le'Veon averages 4.5 yards rushing per attempt vs. Marshall Faulk's 3.8, more receptions and reception yards per game and 15 fewer fumbles over that same timeframe. Faulk only leads in TDs and like I said, he played 14 more games.
So tell me again how he's not in the same discussion...
adorable - haven't played madden in years. sweep burn though.
do you happen to know who the fastest player in nfl history to reach 3000 rushing/1500 receiving is?
Some fans today are ridiculous. A guy puts up a couple good years to start his career and all of a sudden he merits comparison to an all time great?
Bell has played 4 seasons...only 1 of them a full 16 game season. He hasn't earned a comparison to Marshall Faulk. It's fucking ridiculous.
Marshall Faulk, per game
70 yards rushing, 39 yards receiving
Tell me more about how ridiculous a comparison this is.
Some fans today are ridiculous. A guy puts up a couple good years to start his career and all of a sudden he merits comparison to an all time great?
Bell has played 4 seasons...only 1 of them a full 16 game season. He hasn't earned a comparison to Marshall Faulk. It's fucking ridiculous.
really enjoying this new BBI dynamic: god forbid we use actual per game data to compare players ... "in my day ... get off my lawn!" - sorry, this generation has special players too.
Bell is great RB though..but does need help in front..giants ol would hinder his value and production
I'd sign him only really to an incentive-laden deal where the guarantees would be minimal and that wouldn't get it done. Some team will risk it with him.
There is no doubt in my book that he is a top, multi-tooled, offensive weapon.
We don't know what we have as far as an O line, ODB's contract looms, as does Collins', and depending on their play, Pugh and Richburg shortly after. Plus if we want to add a significant piece to the line via FA, that'll cost a bunch. So ask yourself again the question: "how important is a pricey running back to this offense?"
There is no doubt in my book that he is a top, multi-tooled, offensive weapon.
yeah, but to me..imo, to allocate that position at the top of your cap $$ spent isn't worth the shelf life of position and as said, a dime a dozen by committee position these days...yes great RB with uncanny running style..but it wouldn't be wise..plus insuring trouble off field with him..
Leveon Bell's per game (4 year career): 86 yards rushing, 43 yards receiving, .55 TDs
Marshall Faulk's per game (98-01): 91, 59, 1.15 TDs
When Leveon Bell puts up numbers like that, then he gets to be compared to Marshall Faulk. Until then he's just Leveon Bell.
It is 1000% unrealistic to even discuss him on this team, though. It's never happening.
Leveon Bell's per game (4 year career): 86 yards rushing, 43 yards receiving, .55 TDs
Marshall Faulk's per game (98-01): 91, 59, 1.15 TDs
When Leveon Bell puts up numbers like that, then he gets to be compared to Marshall Faulk. Until then he's just Leveon Bell.
yes, cherry picking years to count makes the data much more accurate.
and yes, Calvin Johnson is one of the most unique physical specimens this sport has ever seen and his per game production is on par with "the goat". Have a lovely day
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That's the same stupid argument you made when you said Megatron was better than Jerry Rice. But hey, if you want to play:
Leveon Bell's per game (4 year career): 86 yards rushing, 43 yards receiving, .55 TDs
Marshall Faulk's per game (98-01): 91, 59, 1.15 TDs
When Leveon Bell puts up numbers like that, then he gets to be compared to Marshall Faulk. Until then he's just Leveon Bell.
yes, cherry picking years to count makes the data much more accurate.
and yes, Calvin Johnson is one of the most unique physical specimens this sport has ever seen and his per game production is on par with "the goat". Have a lovely day
Wait are we using data or are we talking about physical specimens? Calvin Johnson's production is not on par with Rice's...it actually isn't close. The only reason you were able to even make that half-assed case is that Rice played 20 years to Johnson's 9. Had Johnson played 20 years his averages would have declined similarly to Rice's. But if you take Rice's first 9 years of his career he obliterates Johnson. Johnson is not in Rice's class. He never was.
Regarding Bell and Faulk...I get to cherry pick Faulk's best years because you made the insane comparison to start with. If Bell puts up similar production to Faulk's best he earns the comparison; until then it's just bullshit.
All that being said, he's not coming to the Giants no matter what. We don't have the money(we will need to pay Odell next year). Not a good fit.
No.
1. This will NOT be the best offense in NFL history with this OL.
2. With the contract extensions coming up in the next 2 years, you're essentially trading 2-4 years of future mediocrity for a shot at this year's SB. Yet a single injury, Bell, Manning in particular, Beckham would essentially make this years shot a pipe dream. A cluster of injuries less drastic at certain positions, CB or OL, would have the same effect.
No thank you.
Signing him would also prohibit us extending OBJ, Collins, Pugh and Richburg in the next couple of years. Also notable we will need cap room to fill spots at the LB position as most of our current players are not signed for 2018.
So, if they can make it happen given those restrictions, that would be amazing.
I'd sign him only really to an incentive-laden deal where the guarantees would be minimal and that wouldn't get it done. Some team will risk it with him.
This. It absolutely would not happen because Bell would not likely be able to get great production behind the Giants OL and he would know that. He's not coming to the Giants. Money would be better spent elsewhere.
Greatest offense in NFL history?
Wow.
Each post is worse than the previous one, right?
Which brings me to my other point, is Bell still getting drug tested even though he never signed a contract?
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Ever watch him run? He hesitates, waits for the hole, and then explodes through it.....he will still be waiting behind this Giant line....
And where is all this cap space the Giants have?
2 yard gain
Ain't happening but bell would represent a huge upgrade. He'd do just fine here. This ol ruins everything hyperbole is getting old.