I began a plant based diet three weeks ago, and was wondering if anyone on the board, has meal ideas, and or stories related to better health as a result.
I'm 48, about 25 lbs. overweight, had high blood pressure. I wasn't content to take BP meds, so I cut salt down to under 800mg/day (this is harder than it sounds and requires mostly a whole foods diet), began fast walking 2-4 miles per day, every day, and eat mostly plants and grains. Little to no soy. Added herbal supplements of celery seed, cinnamon & tumeric, garlic and potassium (I have low potassium). I cut out drinking entirely.
I've been at this for 5 weeks. I've lost 12 lbs. BP is way down. I feel great.
As for foods and recipes, I love vegetables so I usually make myself a big salad consisting of 6+ cups of leafy greens, cucumbers, celery, a whole jalepeno & radishes a day, no salad dressing, just 1 tbs. of EVOO. I mix-and-match proteins. I usually use beans, but I'll occasionally sneak in a MorningStar.
Breakfast always consists of one egg and either 1 slice of dry wheat toast or a potato, and some fruit, usually cantaloupe.
Dinner is usually grains and beans and can be anything from asparagus risoto (heavily modified) to Mexican to Cajun.
I don't count calories. In the beginning, I did log them just to get a picture of how much I was taking in. I consistently come in under 2,000. Just getting my calories that high (or even 1500) is very, very difficult on a plant-based diet.
on it a few years back and it definitely works. I kinda just dropped meat for a bit and started eating less cheese (maybe once a week). Lasted a few months but didn't continue with it long term. Just make sure you are getting enough protein.
I second this. In the beginning, I didn't know how much protein to take in and I was taking in too little. I began experiencing weird side effects until I realized that was the problem. Men require between 50-80g of protein per day, depending on weight and lifestyle.
felt better..I've also been off meat and refined sugar as well, both, as the evidence is showing, big carcinogens..I'll get off the soapbox now and post my Daily shake that gives me all the daily beggies and fruits I need per day.
Quote:
FRUITS: Organic if no peel/skin
-Blueberries
-Raspberries
-Gojiberries
-Kiwi
-1/2 Delicious Apple (I use yellow)
-Optional banana. Scrape off inside of skin and put in blender. Most nutrients are contained within the inside of the banana peel..Bitter as hell if you eat it by itself. You never taste it in the shake
-Acai powder. Freeze-dried
-Red pepper
VEGGIES: Organic
-Kale
-Spinach
-Power greens in package
-Arugula(optional)
-Chard(optional)
**Broccoli Sprouts everyday, but not in shakes
**Ground Flaxseeds in NOT FROM CONCENTRATE Pomegranate juice. Not in shakes
OTHER SHAKE INGREDIENTS:
-Cacao nibs (unsweetened dark chocolate. Bitter if not in shake)
-Hemp seeds(shelled). 2 teaspoons
-Chia seeds. 2 teaspoons
Vega chocolate(no sugar) Protein Powder, to sweeten up shake
I will answer any questions if posed but will NOT enter into a debate as your body is your body and you will do what you need to do
After watching Food, Inc. I was really trying to modify my diet. But, it ain't easy and I have to say - I really love eating meat. Made it about - maybe three days - and then I started back in with the animals.
After watching Food, Inc. I was really trying to modify my diet. But, it ain't easy and I have to say - I really love eating meat. Made it about - maybe three days - and then I started back in with the animals.
There are many good documentaries, but "Forks over Knives" (lauded by 60 minutes) and "what the health" are two I highly recommend.. Both are FREE on Netflix
I'm in average shape. Active, but not intensive exercise. Dr. always tells me my vitals are perfect. People tell me that I look much younger than I am, but I don't know how that relates if at all.
Where do you buy all of the ingredients for your shakes?
Most if not all ingredients save for possibly the Vega brand "chocolate" protein powder, can be found in a regular supermarket. Most have organic sections (albeit limited) and some have "healthy" sections that contain the seeds, etc..Otherwise, Whole Foods or similar type markets
Where do you buy all of the ingredients for your shakes?
Most if not all ingredients save for possibly the Vega brand "chocolate" protein powder, can be found in a regular supermarket. Most have organic sections (albeit limited) and some have "healthy" sections that contain the seeds, etc..Otherwise, Whole Foods or similar type markets
Lookit smarty pants birthday boy kickin the knowledge.
I too am looking at a plant-based diet to lower my BP (I take two meds), lose some pounds and improve my overall lifestyle.
Do they make beer and vodka that is plant-based friendly?
Where do you buy all of the ingredients for your shakes?
Most if not all ingredients save for possibly the Vega brand "chocolate" protein powder, can be found in a regular supermarket. Most have organic sections (albeit limited) and some have "healthy" sections that contain the seeds, etc..Otherwise, Whole Foods or similar type markets
Lookit smarty pants birthday boy kickin the knowledge.
I too am looking at a plant-based diet to lower my BP (I take two meds), lose some pounds and improve my overall lifestyle.
Do they make beer and vodka that is plant-based friendly?
I bought some to ween myself off of the whey based protein and I have to say they are a huge improvement and I do actually feel better. I bought Isagenix shakes that have 24g of protein, 8g of fiber and they are dairy/soy/gluten free, 100% plant based protein.
I changed my diet completely about 3 weeks ago and I feel better and better by the day. No gluten, no dairy, no rice, no sugar, and mostly fruits and veggies with small portions of meat. I have more energy, I feel more alert and my workouts are far more productive. I even went to Stevia and no creamer for my coffee which I thought would be impossible but it's a breeze now. I lost the taste for sweets and breads and dairy, I don't even consider them now. I have a ways to go before I'm back at my fighting weight but my diet is MOSTLY plant based now, but I do eat eggs and meat. I cannot recommend it enough.
about the phony bastards in the American Heart Association and American Cancer Society..They receive countless millions and millions of dollars from the meat industry, even though they know and have studies showing that meat causes cancer and heart disease. Yet because of their funding, they have suggested meal plans on their sites that have meat on their menus..
I bought some to ween myself off of the whey based protein and I have to say they are a huge improvement and I do actually feel better. I bought Isagenix shakes that have 24g of protein, 8g of fiber and they are dairy/soy/gluten free, 100% plant based protein.
I changed my diet completely about 3 weeks ago and I feel better and better by the day. No gluten, no dairy, no rice, no sugar, and mostly fruits and veggies with small portions of meat. I have more energy, I feel more alert and my workouts are far more productive. I even went to Stevia and no creamer for my coffee which I thought would be impossible but it's a breeze now. I lost the taste for sweets and breads and dairy, I don't even consider them now. I have a ways to go before I'm back at my fighting weight but my diet is MOSTLY plant based now, but I do eat eggs and meat. I cannot recommend it enough.
Looks like you're really doing well Joey..Even the "bible of nutrition" (culled from the 40 year China study) Forks over Knives says that yes, no meat is ideal, but if you can keep your weekly consumption to about 5% of your total food intake, that's ok, heart disease and cancer-wise
I bought some to ween myself off of the whey based protein and I have to say they are a huge improvement and I do actually feel better. I bought Isagenix shakes that have 24g of protein, 8g of fiber and they are dairy/soy/gluten free, 100% plant based protein.
I changed my diet completely about 3 weeks ago and I feel better and better by the day. No gluten, no dairy, no rice, no sugar, and mostly fruits and veggies with small portions of meat. I have more energy, I feel more alert and my workouts are far more productive. I even went to Stevia and no creamer for my coffee which I thought would be impossible but it's a breeze now. I lost the taste for sweets and breads and dairy, I don't even consider them now. I have a ways to go before I'm back at my fighting weight but my diet is MOSTLY plant based now, but I do eat eggs and meat. I cannot recommend it enough.
Looks like you're really doing well Joey..Even the "bible of nutrition" (culled from the 40 year China study) Forks over Knives says that yes, no meat is ideal, but if you can keep your weekly consumption to about 5% of your total food intake, that's ok, heart disease and cancer-wise
I eat far more plant than meat now, but when I do it's organic, grass fed and very small portions of red meat. I stick to turkey based anything else or chicken and fish.
about the phony bastards in the American Heart Association and American Cancer Society..They receive countless millions and millions of dollars from the meat industry, even though they know and have studies showing that meat causes cancer and heart disease. Yet because of their funding, they have suggested meal plans on their sites that have meat on their menus..
Really, you think that meat is more implicated in disease causation than carbohydrates?
about the phony bastards in the American Heart Association and American Cancer Society..They receive countless millions and millions of dollars from the meat industry, even though they know and have studies showing that meat causes cancer and heart disease. Yet because of their funding, they have suggested meal plans on their sites that have meat on their menus..
Really, you think that meat is more implicated in disease causation than carbohydrates?
Yes, though recent studies are showing that sugar is a big culprit in some cancers. Refined sugar that is. It's not just sweets. There's a lot of hidden refined sugars in the foods and condiments we take in...As a small example, look at the sugar content (one small serving) in ketchup. Many people liberally use a lot of ketchup with different foods
when you reference meat on this thread, are you including seafood?
I have a hard time believing, e.g., tiny omega 3 fish like sardines & anchovies are not mega healthy.
That's more about the toxic mercury now found in fish in abundance. Thank the polluted waters for that. Plus, the bigger fish who already have mercury in them are eating the smaller fish that have mercury. Think about that..:)
Saw this for about 30 minutes on NF and mentioned above. I couldn't believe what I was watching. Like, I really couldn't believe that cigarettes are similar to meat as far as health. In fact, most of the claims in What the Health we thoroughly laid to waste in the article linked below. I'm all for cruelty free living, and if I could give up eating meat, I suppose I would. But saying that eating a porterhouse is like smoking a pack of Marby's is just wrong. Vox on WtH - ( New Window )
Been a veg I for 45 years. Recently started eating sliced turkey twice a month. What I would suggest, avoid all grain. No cereal. No rice , no soy. Raw milk cheese only. The glyphosate in grain has destroyed our guts. Very hard on immunity and brain. Gut goes down, brain follows as does your immune system. Green smoothies, omega 3 . Coconut oil, nuts and seeds, juices, lean organic meats and grass fed butter. My focus and memory have improved dramatically the last year. High energy , work 12 hour days on my feet no problem. 66 year old. 95%plant based now. The key for me, cut out grain with glyphosate.
Disclaimer: I don't care what diet people choose. People should choose what makes them healthy and feel good. No one diet fits every person.
Here is something that 'What the Health' doesn't explain: the baseline percentage of you getting colon cancer is 5%, just by being alive. If you eat processed meats for your entire life (like a lot, everyday), the percentage of you getting colon cancer rises to 6%. 1% rise. But 1 is 20% of five so the headline grabber is 'processed meats increases cancer percentage by 20%'. It's bogus and a way for people to just read a headline without actually reading the facts that support the article.
Also, excess sugar intake absolutely causes diabetes. In fact, one of the diets that is clinically shown to reverse type two diabetes is a ketogenic diet(high fat, very low carb). So a high fat diet can't cause diabetes if it is shown to reverse it.
And no, milk is not racist.
If Steve-O is being called in as an expert witness, you have to seriously question the motives of the film.
Bottom line: 'What the health' should be taken with a large grain of salt, no pun intended. Do the research on your own and decide what you want to believe. Nothing in that movie should be taken at face value.
If you do choose to eat meat, eating grassfed meat will give you a meat that is sustain-ably raised and also gives you a much healthier fat profile than grain-fed meat.
The future of diet is going to be customized based on your genetic predisposition. Since that doesn't quite exist yet, whatever diet you choose, take lipid panels and note what different types of diets do to your numbers. You may be surprised.
And definitely don't take any advise from the AHA. Their diet recommendations probably cause more heart attacks then prevent them. It really is criminal.
Disclaimer: I don't care what diet people choose. People should choose what makes them healthy and feel good. No one diet fits every person.
Here is something that 'What the Health' doesn't explain: the baseline percentage of you getting colon cancer is 5%, just by being alive. If you eat processed meats for your entire life (like a lot, everyday), the percentage of you getting colon cancer rises to 6%. 1% rise. But 1 is 20% of five so the headline grabber is 'processed meats increases cancer percentage by 20%'. It's bogus and a way for people to just read a headline without actually reading the facts that support the article.
Also, excess sugar intake absolutely causes diabetes. In fact, one of the diets that is clinically shown to reverse type two diabetes is a ketogenic diet(high fat, very low carb). So a high fat diet can't cause diabetes if it is shown to reverse it.
And no, milk is not racist.
If Steve-O is being called in as an expert witness, you have to seriously question the motives of the film.
Bottom line: 'What the health' should be taken with a large grain of salt, no pun intended. Do the research on your own and decide what you want to believe. Nothing in that movie should be taken at face value.
If you do choose to eat meat, eating grassfed meat will give you a meat that is sustain-ably raised and also gives you a much healthier fat profile than grain-fed meat.
The future of diet is going to be customized based on your genetic predisposition. Since that doesn't quite exist yet, whatever diet you choose, take lipid panels and note what different types of diets do to your numbers. You may be surprised.
And definitely don't take any advise from the AHA. Their diet recommendations probably cause more heart attacks then prevent them. It really is criminal.
As I said, I will not get into debate, but there are misconceptions in your post. Forget "What the Health." What I will be happy to discuss with you and others is the 40 year research called the China study and the best of the best docs (again, if you believe in 60 minutes, then believe that they were effusive in their praise) is "Forks over Knives." Watch that and we'll talk."
One tidbit from the documentary: During WW II The Nazis took all the cattle and other livestock from Poland so as to feed their troops. At the time, the Cancer rates were off the charts for the Poles. So for 4 years they had to go without meat..their cancer rates over that time plummeted to at or near zero..After the war, when the livestock was returned, their cancer rates skyrocketed again. these are the cliff notes. The China study goes into tremendous detail vis a vis lab testing, graphs and tons more..
the narrative. The meat, dairy drug and tobacco industries have been doing it for years. As a kid and through my adult years I bought into their propaganda as did my parents and grandparents. How were we to know?
Even respected organizations such as the Heart and Cancer associations will skew the facts at times.
One example and something many (most?) people do not know. According to the American Cancer Society (ACS), if you are in remission for 5 years you are considered cured. What they don't tell you and what skews their cancer stats is this: If your cancer returns in the 6th, 7th or whatever years after the 5th year "cure," the ACS STILL lists in their stats that you are CURED because you were in remission for their 5 year period. It matters not, stat-wise, if the Cancer returns-as far as the ACS and their stats are concerned you go into their cure-rate stats..
My wife is always up on the latest in health and diets. "I don't eat gluten and I have more energy". Ok. But that's hardly a basis to posit that glutin free diets will increase overall energy in everyone. The reliance on anecdotal evidence is at the basis of almost all the health and diet news that endlessly washes over us in the media.
The arguments I find most persuasive for a plant based diet are the environmental and moral arguments. Commercial farming, including the farming of soy and corn and fish is ridiculously imbalanced from an environmental perspective. (The "farm bill" is a root cause of this problem and among the biggest problems in US government). And commercial farming of livestock is essentially horrid in the treatment of the animals and the workers and has enormous environmental cost. The use of antibiotics in meat farming is surely a problem.
I read somewhere recently that a plant based diet is one of the most effective ways to have a positive impact on the environment. So, good job by the vegans and vegetarians! I'm happy for the reminder that my diet - which I'm sure is far better than the average American diet - is still too high in overly processed foods and especially too high in sugar. Looks like pasta for dinner tonight!
My wife is always up on the latest in health and diets. "I don't eat gluten and I have more energy". Ok. But that's hardly a basis to posit that glutin free diets will increase overall energy in everyone. The reliance on anecdotal evidence is at the basis of almost all the health and diet news that endlessly washes over us in the media.
The arguments I find most persuasive for a plant based diet are the environmental and moral arguments. Commercial farming, including the farming of soy and corn and fish is ridiculously imbalanced from an environmental perspective. (The "farm bill" is a root cause of this problem and among the biggest problems in US government). And commercial farming of livestock is essentially horrid in the treatment of the animals and the workers and has enormous environmental cost. The use of antibiotics in meat farming is surely a problem.
I read somewhere recently that a plant based diet is one of the most effective ways to have a positive impact on the environment. So, good job by the vegans and vegetarians! I'm happy for the reminder that my diet - which I'm sure is far better than the average American diet - is still too high in overly processed foods and especially too high in sugar. Looks like pasta for dinner tonight!
Can't disagree with much of the post. As to anecdotal evidence, it was a small example of extensive testing and research, nothing more. i eat gluten-free as well..
Processed foods are really toxic for our bodies. Take wheat for example. Wheat is absolute poison for the system given how all benefits are stripped during processing..If you can find UNPROCESSED WHEAT, then it is VERY healthy..But who searches for that?
I've seen Forks Over Knives. Here is the problem with most of these studies: they are observational in nature, including the china study.
Observational studies are prone to reinforcing peoples implicit bias when correlation does not imply causation. A prime example of this would be Ancel Keys '7 countries' observational study that shaped the FDA guidelines on nutrition. If you go back and look at the data, he ignored some of the data that ran counter to his hypothesis on saturated fat causing heart disease. Some countries had high intake of saturated fat, yet had low instances of heart disease, yet he ignored this data.
The only true nutritional studies that can be scientifically validated include the use of a metabolic ward. These are very costly though.
Like i said, eat what makes you feel good, and self test with lipid panels. Everybody is different.
I've seen Forks Over Knives. Here is the problem with most of these studies: they are observational in nature, including the china study.
Observational studies are prone to reinforcing peoples implicit bias when correlation does not imply causation. A prime example of this would be Ancel Keys '7 countries' observational study that shaped the FDA guidelines on nutrition. If you go back and look at the data, he ignored some of the data that ran counter to his hypothesis on saturated fat causing heart disease. Some countries had high intake of saturated fat, yet had low instances of heart disease, yet he ignored this data.
The only true nutritional studies that can be scientifically validated include the use of a metabolic ward. These are very costly though.
Like i said, eat what makes you feel good, and self test with lipid panels. Everybody is different.
It took 40 years of incessant testing, research and evaluation to write up and ultimately publish the China study. It's an enormous tome to decipher, even the synopses are.
For those who don't know, it was first commissioned by Chou en Lai when he was dying of Liver cancer. He got 1 million of his people to spend years of labor, scut work, etc under the direction of world-wide scientists and renowned nutritionists to help complete the study. Exhaustive testing and assaying was done. They even called in world famous PHD nutritionist, T. Colin Campbell to help correlate and input the study. 40 years..
Anyone can find some flaws in any study, but the China Study is as good as it gets, imv..It's hard to find all that much bias/subjectivity in it as the study was based on many decades of objective research and study..
You want to say that FOK and other docs are biased or slanted to a degree, fine, they probably are, but the China Study stands almost unscathed on its own. You and others can disagree all you want..Certainly traditional medicine, that I was ONCE APART OF, will tear it and other nutritional data apart as it affects their practice volume. The drug industry certainly have and will hire people to rip into it..
I have been reluctant to start any threads on this (and only entered an existing thread) because of the pushback I'd get from those who choose to eat unhealthily. They don't care. And THAT'S THEIR ABSOLUTE RIGHT.
Am I guaranteed to not get Cancer or Heart disease? Of course not. But, I've greatly/vastly reduced the odds..
I turned 72 yesterday. I truly feel better than I ever had and except when I was smoking and drinking, I always felt pretty good. But not like this. Two months ago, about 900 people did the 103 floor Freedom Tower run-up(former Twin Towers in NY for the few who may not know)..890 of them were younger to much younger than me. I have Chicago's Willis Tower(formerly Sears tower) in November. Also 103 flights I believe, but much steeper I understand. Oy Vey..
I want to LIVE and be ACTIVE in my 100s. I do not want to live to 100 and be infirmed or in a wheelchair or carry round oxygen tanks as many do from their 60s on. Yes, they subsisted to 100, but had very little quality of life..That's not for me. That's my choice.
Unfortunately most or at least many people think a plant-based diet is about grabbing leaves off a tree and existing on that. They have little idea how delicious the countless thousands of alternatives there are..But again, their choice.
Sorry, I did a soapbox which I promised not to do, but I'm very passionate about my health and enjoying a quality of life without aches and pains..That rocks..:)
Oh and not to get lost in this response is that on your posts, you have a lot of cogent points and I appreciate your input
To add, I agree there is MUCH bullshit out there and on the internet
and as you said, BH, little snippets thrown out there that supposedly pass for facts..They don't..
Off the top of my head, the people in nutrition I enjoy getting input from (and they're not perfect) are Plant Based Dietician Julieanna Hever, Andrew Weil(though not a huge fan), Caldwell Esselstyn who retired from heart surgery to get involved in Plant-based teachings, T. Colin Campbell and his son who is an M.D. who's name escapes me..
A short anecdote: The son of Caldwell Esselstyn, Rip, is a fireman. He was disturbed over the loss of a young colleague to heart disease. So, as the cook in the firehouse, he introduced plant-based whole grain diet cooking there and was able to help reverse those fellow workers who had some heart trouble..
As an FYI? I received about 15 minutes of nutrition education in Medical school..Not sure much more is being offered today
I read and try to absorb all I can. I also try to separate the bull that's out there. Like all of us, I'm an EXPERT on my own body and what has worked to support it..
I'm willing to share what I know and welcome all that those who have knowledge of this nutrition to share all they can
I read and try to absorb all I can. I also try to separate the bull that's out there. Like all of us, I'm an EXPERT on my own body and what has worked to support it..
I'm willing to share what I know and welcome all that those who have knowledge of this nutrition to share all they can
I appreciate the discussion, it's nice to have a civil discussion. I am in the same boat as you, I've done a ton of research on my own and try to have an open mind about everything.
Anecdotally speaking as well, I have tweaked my diet over the past 6 years and pull lipid panels frequently to see how it affects different levels. Long story short, increasing fat intake has improved my lipid panels.
I think we are only scratching the surface with the correlation of diseases to certain types of food and genetics. As i have said, i learned long ago that there is no magic diet. Inuit people ate high fat diets, Kitavan people ate almost exclusively carb diets, etc. One thing that doesn't work is the standard American Diet.
is the best thing I've ever done. I feel great, weight and BP is way down, I have more energy, etc. I eat 3 - 4 oz of chicken or turkey a day at dinner and other than that it's fruit and veggies.
No bread, cheese or processed food other than some organic wraps. I make a veggie wrap for lunch - greens mostly kale and spinach spinach with other veggies. I eat a lot of fruit. Maybe once a week I will eat 4 oz of steak.
I would routinely eat a 28 oz porterhouse with potato and beans or the triple bacon cheeseburger at Wendys. Now it seems gross to think about it.
is the best thing I've ever done. I feel great, weight and BP is way down, I have more energy, etc. I eat 3 - 4 oz of chicken or turkey a day at dinner and other than that it's fruit and veggies.
No bread, cheese or processed food other than some organic wraps. I make a veggie wrap for lunch - greens mostly kale and spinach spinach with other veggies. I eat a lot of fruit. Maybe once a week I will eat 4 oz of steak.
I would routinely eat a 28 oz porterhouse with potato and beans or the triple bacon cheeseburger at Wendys. Now it seems gross to think about it.
I've been at this for 5 weeks. I've lost 12 lbs. BP is way down. I feel great.
As for foods and recipes, I love vegetables so I usually make myself a big salad consisting of 6+ cups of leafy greens, cucumbers, celery, a whole jalepeno & radishes a day, no salad dressing, just 1 tbs. of EVOO. I mix-and-match proteins. I usually use beans, but I'll occasionally sneak in a MorningStar.
Breakfast always consists of one egg and either 1 slice of dry wheat toast or a potato, and some fruit, usually cantaloupe.
Dinner is usually grains and beans and can be anything from asparagus risoto (heavily modified) to Mexican to Cajun.
I eat when I'm hungry and don't when I don't.
I second this. In the beginning, I didn't know how much protein to take in and I was taking in too little. I began experiencing weird side effects until I realized that was the problem. Men require between 50-80g of protein per day, depending on weight and lifestyle.
BBI needs a "like" button. :)
drives my wife crazy when we have company.
It used to be I had to have meat at every meal now I've cut non-meats out of my diet completely and created this diet.
Never felt better, I actually lost 15 pounds, and my blood pressure and cholesterol are excellent.
FRUITS: Organic if no peel/skin
-Blueberries
-Raspberries
-Gojiberries
-Kiwi
-1/2 Delicious Apple (I use yellow)
-Optional banana. Scrape off inside of skin and put in blender. Most nutrients are contained within the inside of the banana peel..Bitter as hell if you eat it by itself. You never taste it in the shake
-Acai powder. Freeze-dried
-Red pepper
VEGGIES: Organic
-Kale
-Spinach
-Power greens in package
-Arugula(optional)
-Chard(optional)
**Broccoli Sprouts everyday, but not in shakes
**Ground Flaxseeds in NOT FROM CONCENTRATE Pomegranate juice. Not in shakes
OTHER SHAKE INGREDIENTS:
-Cacao nibs (unsweetened dark chocolate. Bitter if not in shake)
-Hemp seeds(shelled). 2 teaspoons
-Chia seeds. 2 teaspoons
Vega chocolate(no sugar) Protein Powder, to sweeten up shake
I will answer any questions if posed but will NOT enter into a debate as your body is your body and you will do what you need to do
There are many good documentaries, but "Forks over Knives" (lauded by 60 minutes) and "what the health" are two I highly recommend.. Both are FREE on Netflix
You can see it on Netflix..Amazon might have it for free..Thanks for the input
Most if not all ingredients save for possibly the Vega brand "chocolate" protein powder, can be found in a regular supermarket. Most have organic sections (albeit limited) and some have "healthy" sections that contain the seeds, etc..Otherwise, Whole Foods or similar type markets
Quote:
Where do you buy all of the ingredients for your shakes?
Most if not all ingredients save for possibly the Vega brand "chocolate" protein powder, can be found in a regular supermarket. Most have organic sections (albeit limited) and some have "healthy" sections that contain the seeds, etc..Otherwise, Whole Foods or similar type markets
Lookit smarty pants birthday boy kickin the knowledge.
I too am looking at a plant-based diet to lower my BP (I take two meds), lose some pounds and improve my overall lifestyle.
Do they make beer and vodka that is plant-based friendly?
I wouldn't throw out money on organic products like bananas, avocado etc., that have shells or skin..Conventional is fine..
Quote:
In comment 13563919 Spike13 said:
Quote:
Where do you buy all of the ingredients for your shakes?
Most if not all ingredients save for possibly the Vega brand "chocolate" protein powder, can be found in a regular supermarket. Most have organic sections (albeit limited) and some have "healthy" sections that contain the seeds, etc..Otherwise, Whole Foods or similar type markets
Lookit smarty pants birthday boy kickin the knowledge.
I too am looking at a plant-based diet to lower my BP (I take two meds), lose some pounds and improve my overall lifestyle.
Do they make beer and vodka that is plant-based friendly?
Enjoy your booze..😎
I changed my diet completely about 3 weeks ago and I feel better and better by the day. No gluten, no dairy, no rice, no sugar, and mostly fruits and veggies with small portions of meat. I have more energy, I feel more alert and my workouts are far more productive. I even went to Stevia and no creamer for my coffee which I thought would be impossible but it's a breeze now. I lost the taste for sweets and breads and dairy, I don't even consider them now. I have a ways to go before I'm back at my fighting weight but my diet is MOSTLY plant based now, but I do eat eggs and meat. I cannot recommend it enough.
I changed my diet completely about 3 weeks ago and I feel better and better by the day. No gluten, no dairy, no rice, no sugar, and mostly fruits and veggies with small portions of meat. I have more energy, I feel more alert and my workouts are far more productive. I even went to Stevia and no creamer for my coffee which I thought would be impossible but it's a breeze now. I lost the taste for sweets and breads and dairy, I don't even consider them now. I have a ways to go before I'm back at my fighting weight but my diet is MOSTLY plant based now, but I do eat eggs and meat. I cannot recommend it enough.
Looks like you're really doing well Joey..Even the "bible of nutrition" (culled from the 40 year China study) Forks over Knives says that yes, no meat is ideal, but if you can keep your weekly consumption to about 5% of your total food intake, that's ok, heart disease and cancer-wise
Quote:
I bought some to ween myself off of the whey based protein and I have to say they are a huge improvement and I do actually feel better. I bought Isagenix shakes that have 24g of protein, 8g of fiber and they are dairy/soy/gluten free, 100% plant based protein.
I changed my diet completely about 3 weeks ago and I feel better and better by the day. No gluten, no dairy, no rice, no sugar, and mostly fruits and veggies with small portions of meat. I have more energy, I feel more alert and my workouts are far more productive. I even went to Stevia and no creamer for my coffee which I thought would be impossible but it's a breeze now. I lost the taste for sweets and breads and dairy, I don't even consider them now. I have a ways to go before I'm back at my fighting weight but my diet is MOSTLY plant based now, but I do eat eggs and meat. I cannot recommend it enough.
Looks like you're really doing well Joey..Even the "bible of nutrition" (culled from the 40 year China study) Forks over Knives says that yes, no meat is ideal, but if you can keep your weekly consumption to about 5% of your total food intake, that's ok, heart disease and cancer-wise
Really, you think that meat is more implicated in disease causation than carbohydrates?
I have a hard time believing, e.g., tiny omega 3 fish like sardines & anchovies are not mega healthy.
Quote:
about the phony bastards in the American Heart Association and American Cancer Society..They receive countless millions and millions of dollars from the meat industry, even though they know and have studies showing that meat causes cancer and heart disease. Yet because of their funding, they have suggested meal plans on their sites that have meat on their menus..
Really, you think that meat is more implicated in disease causation than carbohydrates?
Yes, though recent studies are showing that sugar is a big culprit in some cancers. Refined sugar that is. It's not just sweets. There's a lot of hidden refined sugars in the foods and condiments we take in...As a small example, look at the sugar content (one small serving) in ketchup. Many people liberally use a lot of ketchup with different foods
Yes, I take B12 since I don't eat meat..The only other supplement I take is 2000mcg of D3..Everything else I get from food
I have a hard time believing, e.g., tiny omega 3 fish like sardines & anchovies are not mega healthy.
That's more about the toxic mercury now found in fish in abundance. Thank the polluted waters for that. Plus, the bigger fish who already have mercury in them are eating the smaller fish that have mercury. Think about that..:)
Never shark or tilefish or swordfish. Tuna only occasionally.
I feel pretty comfortable eating sardines & Alaskan salmon in abundance.
Sugar is unequivocal poison, agreed.
Vox on WtH - ( New Window )
Here is something that 'What the Health' doesn't explain: the baseline percentage of you getting colon cancer is 5%, just by being alive. If you eat processed meats for your entire life (like a lot, everyday), the percentage of you getting colon cancer rises to 6%. 1% rise. But 1 is 20% of five so the headline grabber is 'processed meats increases cancer percentage by 20%'. It's bogus and a way for people to just read a headline without actually reading the facts that support the article.
Also, excess sugar intake absolutely causes diabetes. In fact, one of the diets that is clinically shown to reverse type two diabetes is a ketogenic diet(high fat, very low carb). So a high fat diet can't cause diabetes if it is shown to reverse it.
And no, milk is not racist.
If Steve-O is being called in as an expert witness, you have to seriously question the motives of the film.
Bottom line: 'What the health' should be taken with a large grain of salt, no pun intended. Do the research on your own and decide what you want to believe. Nothing in that movie should be taken at face value.
If you do choose to eat meat, eating grassfed meat will give you a meat that is sustain-ably raised and also gives you a much healthier fat profile than grain-fed meat.
The future of diet is going to be customized based on your genetic predisposition. Since that doesn't quite exist yet, whatever diet you choose, take lipid panels and note what different types of diets do to your numbers. You may be surprised.
And definitely don't take any advise from the AHA. Their diet recommendations probably cause more heart attacks then prevent them. It really is criminal.
Check www.chooseveg.com and www.howdoigovegan.com for meal ideas and tips. Good luck. It's so easy now.
Green juice in the morning, no refined sugars and more lean, white meats.
Also check out "What's With Wheat" on the streaming services.
I agree to some extent about many of the docs being "anti-meat" but have yet to see an "anti-veg" production.
Good luck with your lifestyle choice and keep us posted on your progress!
Here is something that 'What the Health' doesn't explain: the baseline percentage of you getting colon cancer is 5%, just by being alive. If you eat processed meats for your entire life (like a lot, everyday), the percentage of you getting colon cancer rises to 6%. 1% rise. But 1 is 20% of five so the headline grabber is 'processed meats increases cancer percentage by 20%'. It's bogus and a way for people to just read a headline without actually reading the facts that support the article.
Also, excess sugar intake absolutely causes diabetes. In fact, one of the diets that is clinically shown to reverse type two diabetes is a ketogenic diet(high fat, very low carb). So a high fat diet can't cause diabetes if it is shown to reverse it.
And no, milk is not racist.
If Steve-O is being called in as an expert witness, you have to seriously question the motives of the film.
Bottom line: 'What the health' should be taken with a large grain of salt, no pun intended. Do the research on your own and decide what you want to believe. Nothing in that movie should be taken at face value.
If you do choose to eat meat, eating grassfed meat will give you a meat that is sustain-ably raised and also gives you a much healthier fat profile than grain-fed meat.
The future of diet is going to be customized based on your genetic predisposition. Since that doesn't quite exist yet, whatever diet you choose, take lipid panels and note what different types of diets do to your numbers. You may be surprised.
And definitely don't take any advise from the AHA. Their diet recommendations probably cause more heart attacks then prevent them. It really is criminal.
As I said, I will not get into debate, but there are misconceptions in your post. Forget "What the Health." What I will be happy to discuss with you and others is the 40 year research called the China study and the best of the best docs (again, if you believe in 60 minutes, then believe that they were effusive in their praise) is "Forks over Knives." Watch that and we'll talk."
One tidbit from the documentary: During WW II The Nazis took all the cattle and other livestock from Poland so as to feed their troops. At the time, the Cancer rates were off the charts for the Poles. So for 4 years they had to go without meat..their cancer rates over that time plummeted to at or near zero..After the war, when the livestock was returned, their cancer rates skyrocketed again. these are the cliff notes. The China study goes into tremendous detail vis a vis lab testing, graphs and tons more..
Even respected organizations such as the Heart and Cancer associations will skew the facts at times.
One example and something many (most?) people do not know. According to the American Cancer Society (ACS), if you are in remission for 5 years you are considered cured. What they don't tell you and what skews their cancer stats is this: If your cancer returns in the 6th, 7th or whatever years after the 5th year "cure," the ACS STILL lists in their stats that you are CURED because you were in remission for their 5 year period. It matters not, stat-wise, if the Cancer returns-as far as the ACS and their stats are concerned you go into their cure-rate stats..
The arguments I find most persuasive for a plant based diet are the environmental and moral arguments. Commercial farming, including the farming of soy and corn and fish is ridiculously imbalanced from an environmental perspective. (The "farm bill" is a root cause of this problem and among the biggest problems in US government). And commercial farming of livestock is essentially horrid in the treatment of the animals and the workers and has enormous environmental cost. The use of antibiotics in meat farming is surely a problem.
I read somewhere recently that a plant based diet is one of the most effective ways to have a positive impact on the environment. So, good job by the vegans and vegetarians! I'm happy for the reminder that my diet - which I'm sure is far better than the average American diet - is still too high in overly processed foods and especially too high in sugar. Looks like pasta for dinner tonight!
The arguments I find most persuasive for a plant based diet are the environmental and moral arguments. Commercial farming, including the farming of soy and corn and fish is ridiculously imbalanced from an environmental perspective. (The "farm bill" is a root cause of this problem and among the biggest problems in US government). And commercial farming of livestock is essentially horrid in the treatment of the animals and the workers and has enormous environmental cost. The use of antibiotics in meat farming is surely a problem.
I read somewhere recently that a plant based diet is one of the most effective ways to have a positive impact on the environment. So, good job by the vegans and vegetarians! I'm happy for the reminder that my diet - which I'm sure is far better than the average American diet - is still too high in overly processed foods and especially too high in sugar. Looks like pasta for dinner tonight!
Can't disagree with much of the post. As to anecdotal evidence, it was a small example of extensive testing and research, nothing more. i eat gluten-free as well..
Processed foods are really toxic for our bodies. Take wheat for example. Wheat is absolute poison for the system given how all benefits are stripped during processing..If you can find UNPROCESSED WHEAT, then it is VERY healthy..But who searches for that?
Observational studies are prone to reinforcing peoples implicit bias when correlation does not imply causation. A prime example of this would be Ancel Keys '7 countries' observational study that shaped the FDA guidelines on nutrition. If you go back and look at the data, he ignored some of the data that ran counter to his hypothesis on saturated fat causing heart disease. Some countries had high intake of saturated fat, yet had low instances of heart disease, yet he ignored this data.
The only true nutritional studies that can be scientifically validated include the use of a metabolic ward. These are very costly though.
Like i said, eat what makes you feel good, and self test with lipid panels. Everybody is different.
Observational studies are prone to reinforcing peoples implicit bias when correlation does not imply causation. A prime example of this would be Ancel Keys '7 countries' observational study that shaped the FDA guidelines on nutrition. If you go back and look at the data, he ignored some of the data that ran counter to his hypothesis on saturated fat causing heart disease. Some countries had high intake of saturated fat, yet had low instances of heart disease, yet he ignored this data.
The only true nutritional studies that can be scientifically validated include the use of a metabolic ward. These are very costly though.
Like i said, eat what makes you feel good, and self test with lipid panels. Everybody is different.
It took 40 years of incessant testing, research and evaluation to write up and ultimately publish the China study. It's an enormous tome to decipher, even the synopses are.
For those who don't know, it was first commissioned by Chou en Lai when he was dying of Liver cancer. He got 1 million of his people to spend years of labor, scut work, etc under the direction of world-wide scientists and renowned nutritionists to help complete the study. Exhaustive testing and assaying was done. They even called in world famous PHD nutritionist, T. Colin Campbell to help correlate and input the study. 40 years..
Anyone can find some flaws in any study, but the China Study is as good as it gets, imv..It's hard to find all that much bias/subjectivity in it as the study was based on many decades of objective research and study..
You want to say that FOK and other docs are biased or slanted to a degree, fine, they probably are, but the China Study stands almost unscathed on its own. You and others can disagree all you want..Certainly traditional medicine, that I was ONCE APART OF, will tear it and other nutritional data apart as it affects their practice volume. The drug industry certainly have and will hire people to rip into it..
I have been reluctant to start any threads on this (and only entered an existing thread) because of the pushback I'd get from those who choose to eat unhealthily. They don't care. And THAT'S THEIR ABSOLUTE RIGHT.
Am I guaranteed to not get Cancer or Heart disease? Of course not. But, I've greatly/vastly reduced the odds..
I turned 72 yesterday. I truly feel better than I ever had and except when I was smoking and drinking, I always felt pretty good. But not like this. Two months ago, about 900 people did the 103 floor Freedom Tower run-up(former Twin Towers in NY for the few who may not know)..890 of them were younger to much younger than me. I have Chicago's Willis Tower(formerly Sears tower) in November. Also 103 flights I believe, but much steeper I understand. Oy Vey..
I want to LIVE and be ACTIVE in my 100s. I do not want to live to 100 and be infirmed or in a wheelchair or carry round oxygen tanks as many do from their 60s on. Yes, they subsisted to 100, but had very little quality of life..That's not for me. That's my choice.
Unfortunately most or at least many people think a plant-based diet is about grabbing leaves off a tree and existing on that. They have little idea how delicious the countless thousands of alternatives there are..But again, their choice.
Sorry, I did a soapbox which I promised not to do, but I'm very passionate about my health and enjoying a quality of life without aches and pains..That rocks..:)
Oh and not to get lost in this response is that on your posts, you have a lot of cogent points and I appreciate your input
Off the top of my head, the people in nutrition I enjoy getting input from (and they're not perfect) are Plant Based Dietician Julieanna Hever, Andrew Weil(though not a huge fan), Caldwell Esselstyn who retired from heart surgery to get involved in Plant-based teachings, T. Colin Campbell and his son who is an M.D. who's name escapes me..
A short anecdote: The son of Caldwell Esselstyn, Rip, is a fireman. He was disturbed over the loss of a young colleague to heart disease. So, as the cook in the firehouse, he introduced plant-based whole grain diet cooking there and was able to help reverse those fellow workers who had some heart trouble..
As an FYI? I received about 15 minutes of nutrition education in Medical school..Not sure much more is being offered today
I'm willing to share what I know and welcome all that those who have knowledge of this nutrition to share all they can
I'm willing to share what I know and welcome all that those who have knowledge of this nutrition to share all they can
I appreciate the discussion, it's nice to have a civil discussion. I am in the same boat as you, I've done a ton of research on my own and try to have an open mind about everything.
Anecdotally speaking as well, I have tweaked my diet over the past 6 years and pull lipid panels frequently to see how it affects different levels. Long story short, increasing fat intake has improved my lipid panels.
I think we are only scratching the surface with the correlation of diseases to certain types of food and genetics. As i have said, i learned long ago that there is no magic diet. Inuit people ate high fat diets, Kitavan people ate almost exclusively carb diets, etc. One thing that doesn't work is the standard American Diet.
Charred red meat is no bueno. If you like it, it should be an occasional treat.
Refined sugar is poison in any amount. I love it as most all of us do, but I keep it a monthly indulgence.
No bread, cheese or processed food other than some organic wraps. I make a veggie wrap for lunch - greens mostly kale and spinach spinach with other veggies. I eat a lot of fruit. Maybe once a week I will eat 4 oz of steak.
I would routinely eat a 28 oz porterhouse with potato and beans or the triple bacon cheeseburger at Wendys. Now it seems gross to think about it.
No bread, cheese or processed food other than some organic wraps. I make a veggie wrap for lunch - greens mostly kale and spinach spinach with other veggies. I eat a lot of fruit. Maybe once a week I will eat 4 oz of steak.
I would routinely eat a 28 oz porterhouse with potato and beans or the triple bacon cheeseburger at Wendys. Now it seems gross to think about it.
And why you'd still be a great RB...:)
Charred red meat is no bueno. If you like it, it should be an occasional treat.
Refined sugar is poison in any amount. I love it as most all of us do, but I keep it a monthly indulgence.
Too charred?
I am made this last year 4th of July.
Smoking one Labor Day too.
Can't wait.
But I really miss good sharp cheese and crackers