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Webb not ruled out for Giants backup job, still long shot

Eric from BBI : Admin : 8/17/2017 4:41 pm
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EAST RUTHERFORD, N.J. – Rookie quarterback Davis Webb can be found most days at practice standing off to the side taking mental reps while the New York Giants other three quarterbacks are participating in live drills. Occasionally, he’ll sneak in for a few plays with the third-team offense. That's a busy day for the former California signal-caller.

It’s the non-glamorous life of a young quarterback who seems to be far behind in the competition for the backup job behind unequivocal starter Eli Manning. But it doesn’t mean that Webb has been completely ruled out to be the team’s No. 2 quarterback ahead of veterans Josh Johnson and Geno Smith.

“I think we all have to be careful making assumptions,” coach Ben McAdoo said. “Josh and Geno are competing right now for the No. 2 spot and if it doesn’t look the way we want it to look, Davis will get a crack.”...

Davis Webb not ruled out for Giants backup job, still long shot - ( New Window )
I would love for that to happen for 3 reasons  
adamg : 8/17/2017 4:43 pm : link
1) that means he'd legitimately be our second best option
2) it'd bode very well for his long term value, especially as a third round pick
3) it'd open up a roster spot, namely for Shane Smith
I'm of the thought that the season  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 8/17/2017 4:46 pm : link
is pretty much FUBAR if Eli goes down. Neither Johnson or Geno inspire much confidence.
Geno has to step up  
averagejoe : 8/17/2017 4:46 pm : link
and win his job. This is what the Jets should have done with him after he was drafted. Instead they handed him the job and he believed he had earned something.

The Giants have it right. Improve his game or go home.
Someone posted this the other day  
ryanmkeane : 8/17/2017 4:52 pm : link
but I think Webb's best case trajectory is 3-2-2-1. That'd be great.
Hate the idea of keeping three  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 8/17/2017 4:55 pm : link
If Eli gets hurt, you can probably bring back one of these two off the street.
Am I reading this wrong? It sounds like a contradiction.  
robbieballs2003 : 8/17/2017 4:58 pm : link
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“I think we all have to be careful making assumptions,” coach Ben McAdoo said. “Josh and Geno are competing right now for the No. 2 spot and if it doesn’t look the way we want it to look, Davis will get a crack.”...


Aren't they assuming that Webb isn't capable of being the number 2? That assumption and decision was made before training camp even started. And the only way Webb can compete is if Johnson and Smith don't look the way they want? So, Webb was never a consideration. And what does that leave Webb? Twl weeks at best to win the job? Yeah, I think it is safe to say Webb has no shot at being the number 2 just because he was never really given an opportunity not because he played himself out of it.
You mean Spider could become the Giants' Webb slinger!?!?  
TC : 8/17/2017 5:04 pm : link
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RE: I'm of the thought that the season  
Jim in Tampa : 8/17/2017 5:05 pm : link
In comment 13563748 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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is pretty much FUBAR if Eli goes down. Neither Johnson or Geno inspire much confidence.


I've said it before, but the problem with the "If Eli goes down we're screwed anyway" take is that it doesn't take into account a scenario where Eli misses just 3 or 4 games.

A rookie QB (particularly one who ran spread offenses at Texas Tech and Cal) just isn't ready and would probably lose all those games. (It's one of the main reasons why the Rams had Goff, another Cal QB, as their #3 QB until they were essentially eliminated.)

Even though Geno is far from great, he has won games in the NFL and he has experience at Met Life. In the scenario that I noted above, he could win 1 or 2 games while Eli was out and it could mean the difference between making or missing the playoffs.

Enough with the thought that we would have to cut an uber-valuable non-QB for the 53rd spot to make room for a third QB. #53 is not going to dress whoever he is.
Why not?  
Rflairr : 8/17/2017 5:10 pm : link
You're screwed any way if Eli were to get hurt
RE: Hate the idea of keeping three  
5BowlsSoon : 8/17/2017 5:14 pm : link
In comment 13563767 Peter from NH (formerly CT) said:
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If Eli gets hurt, you can probably bring back one of these two off the street.


Agree. Even though Webb is a rookie, he can't be any worse than Josh or Geno right now.
Here's the key question  
njm : 8/17/2017 5:17 pm : link
If Geno gets cut, do you think somebody would sign him? To me, the big risk would be if there were a rash of QB injuries once the season started.
RE: Why not?  
Sarcastic Sam : 8/17/2017 5:19 pm : link
In comment 13563788 Rflairr said:
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You're screwed any way if Eli were to get hurt


If you legitimately think that Webb can be the future QB of the NYG, then throwing him in too early may stint his development and ultimately harm his career. If McAdoo and co. don't believe he is ready, then he should sit.
RE: Here's the key question  
robbieballs2003 : 8/17/2017 5:19 pm : link
In comment 13563798 njm said:
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If Geno gets cut, do you think somebody would sign him? To me, the big risk would be if there were a rash of QB injuries once the season started.


I would guess that yes Geno would be picked up. Josh Johnson? Hell no.
RE: Geno has to step up  
mfsd : 8/17/2017 5:27 pm : link
In comment 13563750 averagejoe said:
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and win his job. This is what the Jets should have done with him after he was drafted. Instead they handed him the job and he believed he had earned something.

The Giants have it right. Improve his game or go home.


This is how I read this - a subtle hint from McAdoo that neither Geno nor JJ are guaranteed a roster spot. I highly doubt they'd consider Webb ready to be the #2 out of the gate. But would be happy to be wrong

As others have said, if Eli goes down we're fooked regardless
It sounds like Mac is  
Dave on the UWS : 8/17/2017 5:37 pm : link
"keeping all his options open". He would only go this route if Webb is the clear cut best option for #2. Not going to happen.
IMO  
mrvax : 8/17/2017 5:43 pm : link
The Giants have to keep 3 QBs for this year alone. Allow Webb to develop with minimum pressure AND light a fire under Geno's ass.

It will all work out, relax and have a little smirk on your face because the Gmen are poised to kick some serious butt this year.
RE: RE: Geno has to step up  
mrvax : 8/17/2017 5:49 pm : link
In comment 13563819 mfsd said:
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As others have said, if Eli goes down we're fooked regardless


I don't believe this.
1) Eli has no effect on the defense.
2) The backup QB just has to play so-so with all the weapons available. As long as the backup is not an INT machine, the team will have a shot at winning Eli-less games.
Geno will win the backup QB job because he is tip-top shape  
Jimmy Googs : 8/17/2017 5:58 pm : link
He was showing off for everybody the other day running extra laps around the field...
Geno is not confidence inspiring to me  
jpennyva : 8/17/2017 6:05 pm : link
While there are still three more preseason games to be played, were Eli need to miss a few games, I am not at all confident right now that Geno would win a game for the Giants regardless of how good the defense is (I generally think Johnson is out of the running but anything could happen). Nor do I think Webb playing would stunt his growth. If expectations of him are low (which they seem to be at least right now) how is that putting undue pressure on him? We don't know what this kid is capable of simply because we've barely seen him play. As I've noted on other threads, I would rather not use a roster spot for keeping three QBs. If, in the next few games, Geno looks like he could be a solid #2, so be it. But if he looks as he did in the first game and from training camp reports, I don't see the point in keeping three QBs.
I think Geno can win some games  
section125 : 8/17/2017 6:09 pm : link
if necessary. I thought he did well until the INTs, at least one wasn't his fault. Geno can move out of the pocket and make plays that Eli cannot. Of course Eli makes plays that Geno can't reading and throwing.
But I don't think the Giants are completely screwed if Geno needs to play a few games (knockwood.)
Think Geno only threw one pick, although it was a brain-dead one.  
Jimmy Googs : 8/17/2017 6:16 pm : link
I would think Geno is the best option as well come September, but my point has always been that Webb needs as many reps/snaps he can get this summer. Even if he doesn't win the #2 job he should be given every chance to reach it as it will make him that much more comfortable next year.

Johnson is a waste of time and he doesn't fit the definition of backup that could win a game for us. He is only reducing the snaps from Webb.

Therefore, let the kid play now...
RE: RE: RE: Geno has to step up  
mfsd : 8/17/2017 6:38 pm : link
In comment 13563841 mrvax said:
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In comment 13563819 mfsd said:


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As others have said, if Eli goes down we're fooked regardless



I don't believe this.
1) Eli has no effect on the defense.
2) The backup QB just has to play so-so with all the weapons available. As long as the backup is not an INT machine, the team will have a shot at winning Eli-less games.


Fair points - to counter, maybe our OL and running game will outperform last year, but hard to be confident in that. Also hard to be confident whoever would be the backup wouldn't be an INT machine

But you're 100% right, our defense is good enough to win some 13-10 field position battle type games
To be fair, we get into a lot of 13-10 field position games  
Jimmy Googs : 8/17/2017 6:55 pm : link
with Eli at the helm as well...
RE: I'm of the thought that the season  
BillT : 8/17/2017 7:16 pm : link
In comment 13563748 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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is pretty much FUBAR if Eli goes down. Neither Johnson or Geno inspire much confidence.

It isn't about Eli going down for the season. That's FUBAR for all teams. It's about filling in for a game or maybe two.
Smith and Johnson suck  
WillVAB : 8/17/2017 7:26 pm : link
Waste of roster spot(s). If the Giants had a guy like Fitzpatrick who has proven he can win games in a backup role, it would be a different story.

Roll with Eli/Webb and use the roster spot on a guy who could actually make an impact. Hell I'd rather keep 4 TEs than 3 QBs. At least we know Tye is serviceable.
Does Webb only work from the shotgun?  
Steve in South Jersey : 8/17/2017 7:30 pm : link
If so, how would that effect the offense?
This is great news,  
Renton : 8/17/2017 7:41 pm : link
good news. Can he play left tackle?
RE: Geno is not confidence inspiring to me  
KeoweeFan : 8/17/2017 7:57 pm : link
In comment 13563866 jpennyva said:
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While there are still three more preseason games to be played, were Eli need to miss a few games, I am not at all confident right now that Geno would win a game for the Giants regardless of how good the defense is (I generally think Johnson is out of the running but anything could happen). Nor do I think Webb playing would stunt his growth. If expectations of him are low (which they seem to be at least right now) how is that putting undue pressure on him? We don't know what this kid is capable of simply because we've barely seen him play. As I've noted on other threads, I would rather not use a roster spot for keeping three QBs. If, in the next few games, Geno looks like he could be a solid #2, so be it. But if he looks as he did in the first game and from training camp reports, I don't see the point in keeping three QBs.

I agree that Josh should be out of the running. Give him one more game to redeem himself (his advantage was supposed to be he was the experienced "safe" option) and then cut him.
Assume Gino to be the backup with Davis sharing the practice reps at #3. The probability is that Gino will beat out Davis for all the reasons discussed. But if Webb pulls another surprise ....
Just to give it some more thought...  
Jimmy Googs : 8/17/2017 8:33 pm : link
Lets just say next Monday night versus Cleveland both Johnson and Geno are uninspiring to say the least when they are in the game. Maybe some good but a whole lot of kinda' bad. Not a shocker if it happened...right?

And then Webb comes in and shows good poise and decent productivity and leads the Giants on a few scoring drives when he is on the field. Stands upright, looks thru his progressions, throws it away when needed, and even fires a nice TD pass.

Then what?

I think McAdoo would have to give him real chance and move him up the depth chart...
awesome  
annexOPR : 8/17/2017 8:38 pm : link
let's keep getting Josh Johnson reps ... f'n joke.
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arcarsenal : 8/17/2017 8:43 pm : link
Josh Johnson is the guy I don't understand.

He's been in the league for a while now, he hasn't taken a regular season snap in over 5 years and he's not good. There's zero upside, he's not an established vet, it's a waste to even carry him.

There's a case to be made for Smith. There's literally NONE to be made for Johnson. He's awful.
Suppose Geno had to fill in for a few games,  
Doomster : 8/17/2017 8:48 pm : link
and they were defensive battles, do I think Geno could win in the fourth quarter? No.....
I've believed this whole time  
Phil in LA : 8/17/2017 9:01 pm : link
Webb would be the backup this year.
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arcarsenal : 8/17/2017 9:02 pm : link
I do think we could win a couple of games with Geno.

If Eli went down and had to miss a month, I honestly think we could hold serve and win 2 of the 4 games.

I think this defense is good enough to have a QB kind of just game manage and not have to make high-risk plays. I mean, that's what we did last year. Eli really was not that good at all. We rode the shit out of this defense late in games and were extremely conservative offensively in tight games.
The guy who's cut  
bluepepper : 8/17/2017 11:14 pm : link
for a 3rd QB may very well end up on the practice squad where we can bring him back if need be.

And don't think Eli can never go down. Peyton and Brady were iron men too until boom they missed entire seasons. You need to be prepared and I don't want a HC who thinks the season is over if Eli goes down - that guy's a loser.
RE: Hate the idea of keeping three  
Lawrence_Taylor_56 : 8/18/2017 9:38 am : link
In comment 13563767 Peter from NH (formerly CT) said:
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If Eli gets hurt, you can probably bring back one of these two off the street.



This is all that needs to be said. Train those two up as much as possible on the playbook and offensive philosophy then cut them. You can almost guarantee 1 or both are available mid season. And realistically both suck. Johnson doesn't make horrible mistakes apparently but he is insanely rusty and isn't leading a team to wins. Geno is just waiting to make bonehead plays for the other team.
In the "Eli Misses a Few Games" Scenario  
jpennyva : 8/18/2017 10:29 am : link
Excellent Special Teams play will be absolutely essential to the concept of winning enough games to stay in the playoff hunt. Special Teams play is always important, of course, but will be even more so with the Giants' back-up QB situation, whether the back-up is Geno or Webb. The Giants have often had to rely a lot on field goals (much to my frustration) but I think there would be even more pressure on them in this scenario. Right now, I am more comfortable with Rosas but the next few games will certainly be key in this roster battle.
RE: Geno is not confidence inspiring to me  
Carson53 : 8/18/2017 12:02 pm : link
In comment 13563866 jpennyva said:
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While there are still three more preseason games to be played, were Eli need to miss a few games, I am not at all confident right now that Geno would win a game for the Giants regardless of how good the defense is (I generally think Johnson is out of the running but anything could happen). Nor do I think Webb playing would stunt his growth. If expectations of him are low (which they seem to be at least right now) how is that putting undue pressure on him? We don't know what this kid is capable of simply because we've barely seen him play. As I've noted on other threads, I would rather not use a roster spot for keeping three QBs. If, in the next few games, Geno looks like he could be a solid #2, so be it. But if he looks as he did in the first game and from training camp reports, I don't see the point in keeping three QBs.
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Was Ryan Nassib, or David Carr or Curtis the House Painter
confidence inspiring?
Can Geno be any worse than that trio? I doubt it.
I also think Mac is just trying to light a fire under
the butts of Geno and even Josh Johnson.
That is why he gave some 'hope' for Webb as a possible backup this season I believe.
I still see a redshirt season. I think they will carry
3 QB's.
I think geno moved well ahead of Johnson  
Torrag : 8/18/2017 12:09 pm : link
...and Webb isn't getting the nod unless he falls apart between now and the opener. We'll be carrying three QB's to start the season. If the O-line wasn't shit Geno would have won the pittsburgh game.
I've been rooting for this...  
Dan in the Springs : 8/18/2017 12:28 pm : link
but love how McAdoo has handled it - taking the pressure off him and letting him slowly, gradually, earn the right to be the backup. No reason to rule him out - just give him time and with his makeup and talent it's an eventuality that he'll be competitive with Smith and Johnson.
Reading these comments  
Bob in Newburgh : 8/18/2017 12:36 pm : link
It is quite evident (and has been since the mostly white media convicted him of the crime the other guy clearly committed) that Geno needs a publicist.

I am very comfortable with him giving the Giants a better chance to win than most of the backups in the League.

Davis Webb may end up with the better NFL career, but it is ludicrous to believe he would give the Giants a better chance to win in 2017. Read the scouting reports. He has a ton of weaknesses, and nothing to suggest he is a natural.
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