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EAST RUTHERFORD, N.J. – Rookie quarterback Davis Webb can be found most days at practice standing off to the side taking mental reps while the New York Giants other three quarterbacks are participating in live drills. Occasionally, he’ll sneak in for a few plays with the third-team offense. That's a busy day for the former California signal-caller. It’s the non-glamorous life of a young quarterback who seems to be far behind in the competition for the backup job behind unequivocal starter Eli Manning. But it doesn’t mean that Webb has been completely ruled out to be the team’s No. 2 quarterback ahead of veterans Josh Johnson and Geno Smith. “I think we all have to be careful making assumptions,” coach Ben McAdoo said. “Josh and Geno are competing right now for the No. 2 spot and if it doesn’t look the way we want it to look, Davis will get a crack.”... |
2) it'd bode very well for his long term value, especially as a third round pick
3) it'd open up a roster spot, namely for Shane Smith
The Giants have it right. Improve his game or go home.
“I think we all have to be careful making assumptions,” coach Ben McAdoo said. “Josh and Geno are competing right now for the No. 2 spot and if it doesn’t look the way we want it to look, Davis will get a crack.”...
Aren't they assuming that Webb isn't capable of being the number 2? That assumption and decision was made before training camp even started. And the only way Webb can compete is if Johnson and Smith don't look the way they want? So, Webb was never a consideration. And what does that leave Webb? Twl weeks at best to win the job? Yeah, I think it is safe to say Webb has no shot at being the number 2 just because he was never really given an opportunity not because he played himself out of it.
I've said it before, but the problem with the "If Eli goes down we're screwed anyway" take is that it doesn't take into account a scenario where Eli misses just 3 or 4 games.
A rookie QB (particularly one who ran spread offenses at Texas Tech and Cal) just isn't ready and would probably lose all those games. (It's one of the main reasons why the Rams had Goff, another Cal QB, as their #3 QB until they were essentially eliminated.)
Even though Geno is far from great, he has won games in the NFL and he has experience at Met Life. In the scenario that I noted above, he could win 1 or 2 games while Eli was out and it could mean the difference between making or missing the playoffs.
Enough with the thought that we would have to cut an uber-valuable non-QB for the 53rd spot to make room for a third QB. #53 is not going to dress whoever he is.
Agree. Even though Webb is a rookie, he can't be any worse than Josh or Geno right now.
If you legitimately think that Webb can be the future QB of the NYG, then throwing him in too early may stint his development and ultimately harm his career. If McAdoo and co. don't believe he is ready, then he should sit.
I would guess that yes Geno would be picked up. Josh Johnson? Hell no.
The Giants have it right. Improve his game or go home.
This is how I read this - a subtle hint from McAdoo that neither Geno nor JJ are guaranteed a roster spot. I highly doubt they'd consider Webb ready to be the #2 out of the gate. But would be happy to be wrong
As others have said, if Eli goes down we're fooked regardless
It will all work out, relax and have a little smirk on your face because the Gmen are poised to kick some serious butt this year.
As others have said, if Eli goes down we're fooked regardless
I don't believe this.
1) Eli has no effect on the defense.
2) The backup QB just has to play so-so with all the weapons available. As long as the backup is not an INT machine, the team will have a shot at winning Eli-less games.
But I don't think the Giants are completely screwed if Geno needs to play a few games (knockwood.)
Johnson is a waste of time and he doesn't fit the definition of backup that could win a game for us. He is only reducing the snaps from Webb.
Therefore, let the kid play now...
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As others have said, if Eli goes down we're fooked regardless
I don't believe this.
1) Eli has no effect on the defense.
2) The backup QB just has to play so-so with all the weapons available. As long as the backup is not an INT machine, the team will have a shot at winning Eli-less games.
Fair points - to counter, maybe our OL and running game will outperform last year, but hard to be confident in that. Also hard to be confident whoever would be the backup wouldn't be an INT machine
But you're 100% right, our defense is good enough to win some 13-10 field position battle type games
It isn't about Eli going down for the season. That's FUBAR for all teams. It's about filling in for a game or maybe two.
Roll with Eli/Webb and use the roster spot on a guy who could actually make an impact. Hell I'd rather keep 4 TEs than 3 QBs. At least we know Tye is serviceable.
I agree that Josh should be out of the running. Give him one more game to redeem himself (his advantage was supposed to be he was the experienced "safe" option) and then cut him.
Assume Gino to be the backup with Davis sharing the practice reps at #3. The probability is that Gino will beat out Davis for all the reasons discussed. But if Webb pulls another surprise ....
And then Webb comes in and shows good poise and decent productivity and leads the Giants on a few scoring drives when he is on the field. Stands upright, looks thru his progressions, throws it away when needed, and even fires a nice TD pass.
Then what?
I think McAdoo would have to give him real chance and move him up the depth chart...
He's been in the league for a while now, he hasn't taken a regular season snap in over 5 years and he's not good. There's zero upside, he's not an established vet, it's a waste to even carry him.
There's a case to be made for Smith. There's literally NONE to be made for Johnson. He's awful.
If Eli went down and had to miss a month, I honestly think we could hold serve and win 2 of the 4 games.
I think this defense is good enough to have a QB kind of just game manage and not have to make high-risk plays. I mean, that's what we did last year. Eli really was not that good at all. We rode the shit out of this defense late in games and were extremely conservative offensively in tight games.
And don't think Eli can never go down. Peyton and Brady were iron men too until boom they missed entire seasons. You need to be prepared and I don't want a HC who thinks the season is over if Eli goes down - that guy's a loser.
This is all that needs to be said. Train those two up as much as possible on the playbook and offensive philosophy then cut them. You can almost guarantee 1 or both are available mid season. And realistically both suck. Johnson doesn't make horrible mistakes apparently but he is insanely rusty and isn't leading a team to wins. Geno is just waiting to make bonehead plays for the other team.
Was Ryan Nassib, or David Carr or Curtis the House Painter
confidence inspiring?
Can Geno be any worse than that trio? I doubt it.
I also think Mac is just trying to light a fire under
the butts of Geno and even Josh Johnson.
That is why he gave some 'hope' for Webb as a possible backup this season I believe.
I still see a redshirt season. I think they will carry
3 QB's.
I am very comfortable with him giving the Giants a better chance to win than most of the backups in the League.
Davis Webb may end up with the better NFL career, but it is ludicrous to believe he would give the Giants a better chance to win in 2017. Read the scouting reports. He has a ton of weaknesses, and nothing to suggest he is a natural.