Why not Kaepernick?

with. To get involved with the madness that comes with signing a back up QB embroiled in a racial, societal, economic controversy, isn't worth the return, I suppose.

Regardless of the fact that he's protesting something worth our attention.

It's not personal. It's business. He has every right to protest and make his opinions known.

Teams aren't obligated to sign him if they feel he isn't worth the trouble.

This isn't a difficult concept to understand.

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In comment 13564054 FatMan in Charlotte said: Quote: Calling an idea shitty that's been shown to be shitty numerous times over the past months shouldn't require some long diatribe to rebuke the crap in the OP. It is less about my opinion being all-important and more that yours really sucks ass. And there you go again, your opinion defeats the real world. The idea has more merit than being dismissed just because you call it shitty. Nobody in the real world cares how many drunks say there are UFOs flying over your house. There's facts to deal with. So you have a 'shitty' opinion, and you're backing it up with somebody else's 'shitty' opinion. Too bad you haven't any facts. Your opinion is worth the same as the drunks. I stated my opinion. With some reasoning. I even responded to your points in a reasoned way. So tough break for you, having to read and all that. I hope you're sitting down and taking it slow. It really IS about your opinion being 'all-important.' Wow, how smug.

No actually you have not stated anything new. We have discussed this since January. It has been beaten to death. This is not groundbreaking and there are no new facts.

So to the original question - Geno is likely as good as Kaep and a better fit for the Giants offense. The Giants are a tight team and don't need a shit stirrer who thinks all cops are pigs and Che Guevara is a hero. Somebody that doesn't realize that if he lived in Cuba he'd be making $5G playing his sport; living in a two room apartment that may have electricity or not and be driving a clapped out '53 Plymouth. If he protested Raul, he'd disappear to some prison never to be heard from again.

So no we don't need Kaep on the Giants.

In comment 13564085 Mike From Brielle said:

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I respect more for Kneeling than just sitting down. I think it’s not totally out of bounds that he see's something wrong and wants to high light it. I just wish he had found a less controversial way to do it, at least for his own good. If stadiums had area's for people to also take a knee during the national anthem and a white board of some type to write down what there grievance was then maybe we'd nip in the bud small problems before they became big problems. I know that’s not in teams business models (obviously they shouldn’t be forced to either) and I’m not talking parking tickets here. All dynamic systems thou need negative feedback to remain stable. I believe democracies with free speech are more stable in the long run than totalitarian countries that have to progressively tighten the screws (or go the bread and circuses route until you run out of bread and circuses). If I were black and a very small proportion of policemen thought they had a right to give less consideration to my rights than a white person than I wouldn’t think that is a small problem but since I’m white maybe I don’t give it the consideration it deserves. I also think some of the BLM folks thou were making things worse for a while, hopefully it will blow over with local communities realizing they have to screen police candidates better and raise the pay of police officers to get higher quality candidates but first they have to do their jobs which includes equality for all before the law.

"I just wish he had found a less controversial way to do it"

and that is the whole issue right there....smh ....

I need the protest of murders to be done in a way that still lets me feel good ... pretend its not a real issue

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and bow out since I'm talking to a guy who thinks he has a voice that not only should be heard, but needs to be heard: Quote: It really IS about your opinion being 'all-important.' Wow, how smug. I'll say it again - this Kaep idea has literally been discussed dozens of times. You've brought nothing new to the table and keep trotting out things like "he's a good kid" and so forth. I shouldn't have to go into detail on why this idea really, really sucks because it has been done over and over again. You seem to think BBI owes you their ear. That your post should be validated. Take my opinion and throw it away and what are you left with? Your same shitty idea. It doesn't get any better or more valid if my posts aren't here. It sucks on its own or with commentary by me or others. You can keep expecting BBI to respect your view, but that probably won't happen if you keep offering some fucking awful takes. Or you can keep yammering on about respect while you mock others regarding opposable thumbs and the like, because you know, it's apparently alright to shit on others as long as nobody is giving you a Dirty Sanchez. Right?

Beyond your reconstructing the facts:

1. You have an opinion. I never said to stop. I have an opinion. You insist 'stop.' How does that work, Champ?
2. Its free speech, Champ. But not 'I have the right with my free speech to stop your free speech.'
2. Your final reasoning goes like this-Too many Kaepernick threads. So I'll just read another and whine about it endlessly. Just. Stop. Reading. Kaepernick. Threads. (you'll feel better)

I hope you enjoy your parallel universe.

In comment 13564086 B in ALB said:

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with. To get involved with the madness that comes with signing a back up QB embroiled in a racial, societal, economic controversy, isn't worth the return, I suppose. Regardless of the fact that he's protesting something worth our attention. It's not personal. It's business. He has every right to protest and make his opinions known. Teams aren't obligated to sign him if they feel he isn't worth the trouble. This isn't a difficult concept to understand.

That's well-said.

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it is Johnson, Geno or Webb one thing is clear - none of those guys are going to angle to be a starter and there will be no controversy. People don't seem to believe this - but that is more important to most coaching staffs than making sure you have the 33rd best QB on the roster.

Whether that was true or not, at this point Kaepernick knows that any roster he's on, he's the 3rd QB with maybe a hope of getting the #2 spot over the course of a season.

He can then try again for a starting spot after getting that year in.

Wants to get paid like a starter.
Extremely divisive personality on a Mara team?
To sit on the bench?

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Giants should sign him. He played for the 49ers too.

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Wants to get paid like a starter. Extremely divisive personality on a Mara team? To sit on the bench?

IMO, I think there's room for discussing your points.

Team record is with a lousy team. 'Twasn't just Kaepernick. He does have a record of excellence, granted with an overall excellent team.

You can offer him whatever you want. Let him decide. We don't know he wouldn't take an opportunity at a reasonable price.

I never heard he was divisive in the clubhouse. I could be wrong, but I thought he was well-liked by teammates, and is well-liked in the Bay Area.

That's up to him. Pretty easy to lay it out, along with a reasonable contract offer. Make it all team options if you like. Then he can prove himself.

In comment 13564095 MotownGIANTS said:

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In comment 13564085 Mike From Brielle said: Quote: I respect more for Kneeling than just sitting down. I think it’s not totally out of bounds that he see's something wrong and wants to high light it. I just wish he had found a less controversial way to do it, at least for his own good. If stadiums had area's for people to also take a knee during the national anthem and a white board of some type to write down what there grievance was then maybe we'd nip in the bud small problems before they became big problems. I know that’s not in teams business models (obviously they shouldn’t be forced to either) and I’m not talking parking tickets here. All dynamic systems thou need negative feedback to remain stable. I believe democracies with free speech are more stable in the long run than totalitarian countries that have to progressively tighten the screws (or go the bread and circuses route until you run out of bread and circuses). If I were black and a very small proportion of policemen thought they had a right to give less consideration to my rights than a white person than I wouldn’t think that is a small problem but since I’m white maybe I don’t give it the consideration it deserves. I also think some of the BLM folks thou were making things worse for a while, hopefully it will blow over with local communities realizing they have to screen police candidates better and raise the pay of police officers to get higher quality candidates but first they have to do their jobs which includes equality for all before the law. "I just wish he had found a less controversial way to do it" and that is the whole issue right there....smh .... I need the protest of murders to be done in a way that still lets me feel good ... pretend its not a real issue

Please note: "at least for his own good". There are people who say they want to prevent him from ever getting another Professional Football contract even if things do blow over. I am not minimizing murder (yes that's what we're talking about) but I don't think Kaepernick should have to end up losing his career. There were riots and more innocent people and police died because of it at the time so I don't think that would accomplish anything more.

but football is also a business and a business that is in the media spotlight

so, it would be a PR nightmare that could potentially hurt the team a lot more than Kaep would help

for you...

1. He is a backup QB who wants to be paid like a starter
2. He will bring baggage and unwanted negative publicity that is NOT offset by any production he may or may not bring to the team. Can you imagine having all cameras on a backup QB who will never put his helmet on while Eli is here?
3. Ownership is NOT going to piss off a large group of their loyal fan base with the signing of a backup QB who may never start for us.

this organization would want to endure the PR nightmare that would attach to the signing of Kaepernick. Not happening, no chance.

The Giants are probably the last team that would sign him and that makes me happy to be a Giant fan.

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for you...

What is it with you and FMIC?

Either I agree with whatever you spout, or there is 'no hope?'

Walk up to your boss and tell her that.

He's a lousy qb to begin with and he also has his head up his ass.

Why the hell would anyone consider Davis Webb as a better option than Kaepernick?

I wouldnt want Kaepernick bc if Eli has one of his 3-5 int games everyone is gonna start calling for Kaepernick.

Hes had a poor record for the last few years bc the 9ers have been trash. 16 Td to 4 int over 12 games last year. 2200+ yards plus 468 on the ground with 2 more TD. His ability to run really makes him a threat. He could be the starter for the following :Jets,Bills,Dolphins,Browns,Broncos,Rams, 49ers, Texans, Jaguars, Bears, Vikings, Chiefs.

I think Eli is miles and miles ahead of Kaepernick but you know the media, they love to stir shit up. Eli throws a stinker and it would be all you would hear about. For that, and only that, is my why not.

Let's not forget that Kaepernick lost his job to Blaine Gabbert. He is no sure thing and I understand teams not wanting the media firestorm he would bring with him.

He is a one read quarterback, and when his first read isn't open, he tries to tuck and run. In the NFL, you have to go through your progressions and make reads, and trust me on this, he can't do it. I went to UNLV, which is main rivals with his alma mater, UNR. He was the same player at 19 that he is now. His act wears thin as he kisses his biceps after every run.

Those Niners teams won because they Trent DIlfered him all the way to that Super Bowl. Then in the biggest stage of his life, he got inside the 5, and couldn't make a read to save his life. He's not accurate enough in the tight windows and needs a gimmick offense like the read option which stopped being effective three years ago.

Face it, if he was good enough, someone would put up with the protest backlash. He's not good enough. Yet you'd wanna bring him in and deal with all that bull? Why? On the off chance that Eli gets hurt? He can be carried to the playoffs by the defense like about 35 other quarterbacks. Not worth it.

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Because he's bad for business. It's really that simple.

This. It has nothing to do with him wanting to be a starter. When team's aren't interested in a player as a starter, eventually that player will accept a position as a backup somewhere with a chance to compete or prove himself. Kap placed a black mark on the NFL brand last year.

basically since I've been old enough to know what a football was. When football season comes around it feels like Christmas.

But if Kaepernick ever dons a Giants uniform, that's it for me. I'll just play golf or something on Sundays.

There are a lot of people like me. I agree with his right to protest. I agree he has the right to do whatever he wants while the anthem plays. But that doesn't mean that I have to agree with his reasons, validate them, or support an organization that gives him a platform. I won't do it.

So to answer your question, his ability as a player isn't the issue with him. He's not being signed not because whether or not he can play football well. The Giants and other teams are not just a team, they are business organizations. If David Duke was hired by to be the CEO of Nabisco, I expect most of us would stop eating Nabisco cookies. This is not different. As previous posters said, he's bad for business.

Not worth the headache.

If he was playing like Aaron Rodgers, he'd definitely be on some roster.

or close to it. I think there are better places to allocate their cap money.

In comment 13564185 Mike From Brielle said:

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In comment 13564095 MotownGIANTS said: Quote: In comment 13564085 Mike From Brielle said: Quote: I respect more for Kneeling than just sitting down. I think it’s not totally out of bounds that he see's something wrong and wants to high light it. I just wish he had found a less controversial way to do it, at least for his own good. If stadiums had area's for people to also take a knee during the national anthem and a white board of some type to write down what there grievance was then maybe we'd nip in the bud small problems before they became big problems. I know that’s not in teams business models (obviously they shouldn’t be forced to either) and I’m not talking parking tickets here. All dynamic systems thou need negative feedback to remain stable. I believe democracies with free speech are more stable in the long run than totalitarian countries that have to progressively tighten the screws (or go the bread and circuses route until you run out of bread and circuses). If I were black and a very small proportion of policemen thought they had a right to give less consideration to my rights than a white person than I wouldn’t think that is a small problem but since I’m white maybe I don’t give it the consideration it deserves. I also think some of the BLM folks thou were making things worse for a while, hopefully it will blow over with local communities realizing they have to screen police candidates better and raise the pay of police officers to get higher quality candidates but first they have to do their jobs which includes equality for all before the law. "I just wish he had found a less controversial way to do it" and that is the whole issue right there....smh .... I need the protest of murders to be done in a way that still lets me feel good ... pretend its not a real issue Please note: "at least for his own good". There are people who say they want to prevent him from ever getting another Professional Football contract even if things do blow over. I am not minimizing murder (yes that's what we're talking about) but I don't think Kaepernick should have to end up losing his career. There were riots and more innocent people and police died because of it at the time so I don't think that would accomplish anything more.

The rioting how it is done will not accomplish anything .... because it only helps lay a stronger foundation for when the gentrification of the area begins ... the riots from yesteryear is why the gentrification is taking place now where I live....so rioting is wrong (agreed for the most part) however silent protest it also wrong ... basically stay silent, mute and complicit and be upset about it over your dinner table and then it is all good ...

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basically since I've been old enough to know what a football was. When football season comes around it feels like Christmas. But if Kaepernick ever dons a Giants uniform, that's it for me. I'll just play golf or something on Sundays. There are a lot of people like me. I agree with his right to protest. I agree he has the right to do whatever he wants while the anthem plays. But that doesn't mean that I have to agree with his reasons, validate them, or support an organization that gives him a platform. I won't do it. So to answer your question, his ability as a player isn't the issue with him. He's not being signed not because whether or not he can play football well. The Giants and other teams are not just a team, they are business organizations. If David Duke was hired by to be the CEO of Nabisco, I expect most of us would stop eating Nabisco cookies. This is not different. As previous posters said, he's bad for business.

Kap is now on the same plane as David Duke ... LOL

that he's better than either Geno or Johnson. He was also well liked by his teammates and coach in SF who said that he wasn't a distraction. He has big game experience having played in playoffs, conference championships and the superbowl.

If Eli went down I think he'd give the Giants a better chance to win than the current backups and that's much more important to me than his politics.

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In comment 13564198 EricJ said: Quote: for you... What is it with you and FMIC? Either I agree with whatever you spout, or there is 'no hope?' Walk up to your boss and tell her that.

Your analysis is extremely flawed. You are talking about a player who is not going to play. If Eli gets hurt, this team is done regardless as to who our backup QB is because of how this team is constructed today.

You also must have ignored the part about the guy wanting to get paid like a starting QB. This has nothing to do with whether he is better than our current backup QB situation... NOTHING. Now, you read through a lot of posts where people added some alternative points of view. Possibly things that you did not consider at first when creating the thread and that is fine. However, after reading everything and considering it all... the fact that you still think it is a good idea to bring this guy in means that yeah... there really is no hope for you.

Fact based decision making is obviously not your forte. Not a horrible thing. I am sure you are a good dude..

If it was purely about whether he is a better/talented backup than what we have now, you can probably say that about two dozen other teams in the league. You POSSIBLY could make that argument about a couple of starting QBs in the league too.

So, if that is true... then why is this guy still looking for a job? If it is all about winning and people get fired in this business for losing...then why is he not playing for someone? Don't make this about the Giants. You have all of those other teams who also are not signing him as a backup because he is better than what they have.

Do you think all of the personnel people at all of those teams have no clue?

is ever out that the season is over.

What if Eli gets hurt in the Seahawks game and has to miss the 11/5 (Rams) and 11/12 (@SF) games? The difference between a good backup and a shitty backup could be the difference between winning or losing at least one of those games.

We've seen 10-6 teams miss the playoffs often in the current NFL format (it happened to us!) and every single win matters.

had an issue with the Giants keeping Diehl after he had an aggravated DUI. He actually directly put innocent lives at risk and IMO that's a lot worse than non-violent protest, even if IMO, Kaep's message is off the mark.

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had an issue with the Giants keeping Diehl after he had an aggravated DUI. He actually directly put innocent lives at risk and IMO that's a lot worse than non-violent protest, even if IMO, Kaep's message is off the mark.

Diehl wasn't a backup looking for starter money.

And why does anyone think Kaepernick will be content to be a backup, anyway? He's been a starter, and since he wants to be paid like a starter he clearly believes he still is one. He's ill-suited to McAdoo's offense, doesn't want to be a backup, and the ownership has already said they would rather not deal with the controversy.

Arm: Is it strong enough to make all the throws?
Mechanics: Does he have good enough mechanics to throw with accuracy and consistency?
Decision-making: Does he make good decisions consistently with where to throw the ball?
Football-intelligence: Can he learn and understand multiple offensive and defensive schemes? Does he adapt quickly to new wrinkles? Can he operate effectively in situational football?
Protecting the Duke: Does he consistently take care of the ball and avoid turnovers?
Pocket-awareness: Does he sense the rush and use his mobility to keep plays alive long enough to develop downfield, or alternatively, avoid the sack and injury?
Leadership: Does he model the traits you want your team to have regarding work ethic, competitiveness and professionalism? Does he command the huddle and unite the locker-room? Does he inspire followership and believers?
Professionalism: Does he work at his craft tirelessly to improve?
Marketability: Does he represent the team well? Can he be the face of the franchise, or will he be a distraction to the mission of the franchise (win super bowls)? Is he media-savvy?

If you have a QB who checks all of these boxes then you sign him immediately because this is a rare creature indeed. Otherwise, teams have to determine which issues they can live with and which ones are deal-breakers. Also, they have to determine which attributes can be developed over time and the likelihood of them developing.

The final consideration is cost. What is the cost associated with signing the QB? How much of your cap will you dedicate to them, and/or how many draft picks are you willing to give up for them.

A lot of Kaep supporters believe he checks enough of these boxes and that their must be a conspiracy or collusion against him for non-football reasons. Those opposed see him and think he doesn't check enough boxes.

Count me in the group that thinks he doesn't check enough boxes to be worth the risk/costs associated with signing him, particularly for the Giants who are looking pretty good at QB (imo).

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Arm: Is it strong enough to make all the throws? ...

That's a really nice framework to work with. Maybe there's also the part about what influence a second QB will have on the current QB hierarchy, as a few others have pointed out. But that's a small quibble.

IMO, Johnson and Smith aren't impressive, and I worry about where we'd be if Eli couldn't play, but respect your opinion that the positives don't outweigh the negatives.

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In comment 13564219 sawxray said: Quote: In comment 13564198 EricJ said: Quote: for you... What is it with you and FMIC? Either I agree with whatever you spout, or there is 'no hope?' Walk up to your boss and tell her that. Your analysis is extremely flawed. You are talking about a player who is not going to play. If Eli gets hurt, this team is done regardless as to who our backup QB is because of how this team is constructed today. You also must have ignored the part about the guy wanting to get paid like a starting QB. This has nothing to do with whether he is better than our current backup QB situation... NOTHING. Now, you read through a lot of posts where people added some alternative points of view. Possibly things that you did not consider at first when creating the thread and that is fine. However, after reading everything and considering it all... the fact that you still think it is a good idea to bring this guy in means that yeah... there really is no hope for you. Fact based decision making is obviously not your forte. Not a horrible thing. I am sure you are a good dude..

Ignoring the personal invective, I would suggest you read my responses a bit more. I most certainly did consider the financial cost. Please go back and check my responses to FMIC.

To be clear, I started the thread because the current QB backups are not impressive, and because I prefer the Giants winning over losing. Kaepernick is well-liked by his teammates and his community. He has skills. Find me a perfect QB that's available. If not, we have to live with flaws of some sort. I am happy people are discussing those flaws, and its interesting to see how different people view it.

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In comment 13564626 Metnut said: Quote: had an issue with the Giants keeping Diehl after he had an aggravated DUI. He actually directly put innocent lives at risk and IMO that's a lot worse than non-violent protest, even if IMO, Kaep's message is off the mark. Diehl wasn't a backup looking for starter money.

Fair enough. But, that's a football/salary cap issue which most of this thread isn't getting into. I totally agree that it's not worth it to add another $5M+ or so of a cap hit to upgrade the backup QB.

In comment 13564473 MotownGIANTS said:

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In comment 13564185 Mike From Brielle said: Quote: In comment 13564095 MotownGIANTS said: Quote: In comment 13564085 Mike From Brielle said: Quote: I respect more for Kneeling than just sitting down. I think it’s not totally out of bounds that he see's something wrong and wants to high light it. I just wish he had found a less controversial way to do it, at least for his own good. If stadiums had area's for people to also take a knee during the national anthem and a white board of some type to write down what there grievance was then maybe we'd nip in the bud small problems before they became big problems. I know that’s not in teams business models (obviously they shouldn’t be forced to either) and I’m not talking parking tickets here. All dynamic systems thou need negative feedback to remain stable. I believe democracies with free speech are more stable in the long run than totalitarian countries that have to progressively tighten the screws (or go the bread and circuses route until you run out of bread and circuses). If I were black and a very small proportion of policemen thought they had a right to give less consideration to my rights than a white person than I wouldn’t think that is a small problem but since I’m white maybe I don’t give it the consideration it deserves. I also think some of the BLM folks thou were making things worse for a while, hopefully it will blow over with local communities realizing they have to screen police candidates better and raise the pay of police officers to get higher quality candidates but first they have to do their jobs which includes equality for all before the law. "I just wish he had found a less controversial way to do it" and that is the whole issue right there....smh .... I need the protest of murders to be done in a way that still lets me feel good ... pretend its not a real issue Please note: "at least for his own good". There are people who say they want to prevent him from ever getting another Professional Football contract even if things do blow over. I am not minimizing murder (yes that's what we're talking about) but I don't think Kaepernick should have to end up losing his career. There were riots and more innocent people and police died because of it at the time so I don't think that would accomplish anything more. The rioting how it is done will not accomplish anything .... because it only helps lay a stronger foundation for when the gentrification of the area begins ... the riots from yesteryear is why the gentrification is taking place now where I live....so rioting is wrong (agreed for the most part) however silent protest it also wrong ... basically stay silent, mute and complicit and be upset about it over your dinner table and then it is all good ...

What I think I was trying to get at in my initial post was that perhaps there should be an interim step between trying to see your congressmen, rioting in the streets, and getting the $h!t kicked out of you on the street or worse. As 435 men represent more and more people it becomes harder and harder for them to have the granularity needed to see the needs of all their constituents. Let alone when lobbyists of different stripes jump to the head of the line for their own agenda's.

Speaking of riots I am reminded of a faint memory I had when growing up. It was about, I think, the town of Cicero Illinois somewhere around 1967 or 68. Cicero had an unusually large proportion of Jews living there who had suffered under the holocaust in Europe. So naturally the KKK and Nazi's decided that would be a great place to hold a march and rally. The local community board tried to get an injunction to prevent the march but someone in some court someplace said freedom of speech and allowed the march to proceed. The people of Cicero held the marchers in dignified contempt (some I believe turned their backs on the marchers) but they did not give into, for the most part, the provocations and taunts of the marchers. The march had not panned out as the organizers had anticipated and hoped for. I believe they wanted chaos, noise, and pandemonium to attract the type of recruits they need. Instead the march was a spectacular failure from the organizers stand point and probably a great success for civilization. I believe for quite some time the KKK and Nazis went into a slump after Cicero and only since the creation of the internet with only virtual chaos, noise, and pandemonium has it recovered some. So I don't think a riot is the best response to provocations all (mostly not at all) the time. I served for a time in the Marine Corps and I believe that there are times when one must do whatever is necessary to protect the country but it is just wiser sometimes to treat ones adversaries with dignified contempt. Then organize to protect your rights.

I think the KKK was prohibited from marching in the 60's in Cicero by the Illinois National Guard.

Also, iirc the residents of Skokie let the Klan march through empty streets. Nobody to taunt and tv recording the silence

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I think the KKK was prohibited from marching in the 60's in Cicero by the Illinois National Guard. Also, iirc the residents of Skokie let the Klan march through empty streets. Nobody to taunt and tv recording the silence

Your probably right like I said it's a distant vague memory

Were to entertain the thought of bringing him in as a backup, he is better than Geno and Johnson. Perhaps the Giants would say we welcome you here but you must stand for the National Anthem. The Giants in return can maybe lend support in other ways to help his stance. He stands for Anthem and media doesn't have a story yet this storied franchise helps deliver his message through different avenues.

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He isn't a very good qb, he's selfish and looking to cause trouble. I know there are plenty of worse apples in the NFL but why would the Giants tarnish their image and insult their fan base by bringing in this clown. He needs a haircut.

well, thats pretty well rounded in ignorance

There will be an injury and he will get a job

In comment 13564871 njm said:
[quote] I think the KKK was prohibited from marching in the 60's in Cicero by the Illinois National Guard.

Also, iirc the residents of Skokie let the Klan march through empty streets. Nobody to taunt and tv recording the

The ACLU represented the KKK and they won the right to march.

But at least the Smithsonian's National Museum of African American History does.

So he's got that going for him...which is nice.

Cicero is famous(infamous) for a civil rights march in the 60's where many of the participants said they experienced more hatred then they ever had in the south.

do...and he would be a distraction on a team that has enough potential distractions.

As long as he costs no more than what we will pay Geno and JJ to do this season.

Which is nothing...

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Ignoring the personal invective, I would suggest you read my responses a bit more. I most certainly did consider the financial cost. Please go back and check my responses to FMIC. To be clear, I started the thread because the current QB backups are not impressive, and because I prefer the Giants winning over losing. Kaepernick is well-liked by his teammates and his community. He has skills. Find me a perfect QB that's available. If not, we have to live with flaws of some sort. I am happy people are discussing those flaws, and its interesting to see how different people view it.

My response was to your original post. My reasons why the Giants have not (and will not) sign Kaepernick are valid. The Giants still have not signed him even though he is more talented than what the Giant currently have. Am I correct? He is also still available to every other team who needs another QB. He is still unsigned... correct? I am sure that when you come up with a reason why, you will come up with at least ONE of the reasons that I referenced.

Why couldn't Ray Rice get a job after he served his suspension? Sure, he lost his mojo by then and no longer would be a top RB in the league... BUT he would surely add value to a few teams in the league even as the #2 guy.

You are underselling the importance of marketing and the team brand in this game. As a fan, your solely focused on winning games. Although that is extremely high on the list of the owners, the value the franchise more. Money is more important than winning. If it wasn't, then these guys would not have had enough money to buy a team in the first place. Why do you think the 49ers dumped Colin? Hell they live in one of the most liberal cities in the US and I am sure that most of the people there agreed with Colin's political position. In the end, too many people jumping off of the 49er band wagon over this so he is gone. Who is their QB now? Hoyer? This is his 7th team...and they let a guy go who took them deep into the playoffs.