Why not Kaepernick?

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The offense would have to change if Eli went down and Kaep came in?

Why?

You have been here 7 years and you have never read BBI's take on Kaepernick?

The Giants have four QB's on the roster now...we have our head case in Geno Smith...they don't need to add another

And we should sign Ray Rice too to compound a team PR nightmare

"Imagine what the D would have to face with the change"

The same is even more of an issue for the offense. For a QB like K, the OL, skill positions and playcalling all have to be designed around him. That's one of the reasons it's hard to have a very mobile backup QB. There aren't many examples of two very different styled QBs on the same roster.

I also heard--and this might be speculation--that K was insisting on a starting position when he talked to a few teams.

Comparing Ray Rice to Colin Kaepernick is a false equivalence.

And Kaepernick isn't the only one. Why isn't Michael Bennett getting the same flak? He sat on the bench with a towel over his head. At least Kaepernick got down on a knee.

He's a good kid. I'm sure most of you know of his charitable work. As far as I know, he's never been a bad citizen.

Yeah, the Giants offense would change. As would Kaepernick. Why wouldn't he learn our offense?

He's still a superior athlete with a short record of excellence. He achieved it once, why not again?

And let's not forget the Giants have a good support system. The Niners have Jed York.

We don't have to trade anything for him. Almost no cost to give him a try.

Keep on flaming', y'all.

In comment 13563979 Pork Chop said:

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"Imagine what the D would have to face with the change" The same is even more of an issue for the offense. For a QB like K, the OL, skill positions and playcalling all have to be designed around him. That's one of the reasons it's hard to have a very mobile backup QB. There aren't many examples of two very different styled QBs on the same roster. I also heard--and this might be speculation--that K was insisting on a starting position when he talked to a few teams.

I agree with part of what you say. Don't forget he had to change offenses when Harbaugh left.

it is Johnson, Geno or Webb one thing is clear - none of those guys are going to angle to be a starter and there will be no controversy.

People don't seem to believe this - but that is more important to most coaching staffs than making sure you have the 33rd best QB on the roster.

Never ask a question you don't already know the answer to
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In comment 13563974 lono801 said:

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You have been here 7 years and you have never read BBI's take on Kaepernick? The Giants have four QB's on the roster now...we have our head case in Geno Smith...they don't need to add another

Doesn't mean I have to agree with that 'take.'

How is he a head case? He's a bright kid who has never been in trouble. And his on-the-field record is head and shoulders above Geno Smith. There's no argument in that.

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Keep on flaming', y'all.

Is this sort of like saying "no offense"? If people flame, it is because it is a shitty idea, the reasons of which have been discussed ad nauseum, not because you've broken new ground and are on top of the pulse of the team.

At this point, Kaep isn't a starting QB and wants to be paid like one. The rest of the shitstorm is just dressing to hide that fact.

Doesn't matter what you feel about him personally or any of the issues surrounding him. It's just bad business.

In comment 13563985 FatMan in Charlotte said:

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it is Johnson, Geno or Webb one thing is clear - none of those guys are going to angle to be a starter and there will be no controversy. People don't seem to believe this - but that is more important to most coaching staffs than making sure you have the 33rd best QB on the roster.

More people would likely call for Webb (who has already been talked into being "The Future") than Kap if Eli has another bad season.

He would no more be angling for a starting job than Geno and they had no problem bringing him in.

In comment 13563991 FatMan in Charlotte said:

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Quote: Keep on flaming', y'all. Is this sort of like saying "no offense"? If people flame, it is because it is a shitty idea, the reasons of which have been discussed ad nauseum, not because you've broken new ground and are on top of the pulse of the team. At this point, Kaep isn't a starting QB and wants to be paid like one. The rest of the shitstorm is just dressing to hide that fact.

Gee, no offense in this post.

Just because you say something, the world doesn't change. All my points are clearly state, and valid points. If you think its shitty, so be it. Doesn't make your opinion enough to discredit anybody else. Just sayin'

Please point out the TOS where only certain people are allowed opinions. If you are having trouble finding that section, maybe you could find a thread where you can make a contribution.

Kaepernick has always been a good kid. If he wants to be a starter, well, we have a QB who is several years older than him. So why not?

at least he's prove the ability.

In comment 13564004 sawxray said:

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In comment 13563991 FatMan in Charlotte said: Quote: Quote: Keep on flaming', y'all. Is this sort of like saying "no offense"? If people flame, it is because it is a shitty idea, the reasons of which have been discussed ad nauseum, not because you've broken new ground and are on top of the pulse of the team. At this point, Kaep isn't a starting QB and wants to be paid like one. The rest of the shitstorm is just dressing to hide that fact. Gee, no offense in this post. Just because you say something, the world doesn't change. All my points are clearly state, and valid points. If you think its shitty, so be it. Doesn't make your opinion enough to discredit anybody else. Just sayin' Please point out the TOS where only certain people are allowed opinions. If you are having trouble finding that section, maybe you could find a thread where you can make a contribution. Kaepernick has always been a good kid. If he wants to be a starter, well, we have a QB who is several years older than him. So why not?

Because he's bad for business. It's really that simple.

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at least he's prove the ability.

*proven*

would never sign off on bringing in Kaepernick

In comment 13564012 Motley Two said:

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In comment 13564004 sawxray said: Quote: In comment 13563991 FatMan in Charlotte said: Quote: Quote: Keep on flaming', y'all. Is this sort of like saying "no offense"? If people flame, it is because it is a shitty idea, the reasons of which have been discussed ad nauseum, not because you've broken new ground and are on top of the pulse of the team. At this point, Kaep isn't a starting QB and wants to be paid like one. The rest of the shitstorm is just dressing to hide that fact. Gee, no offense in this post. Just because you say something, the world doesn't change. All my points are clearly state, and valid points. If you think its shitty, so be it. Doesn't make your opinion enough to discredit anybody else. Just sayin' Please point out the TOS where only certain people are allowed opinions. If you are having trouble finding that section, maybe you could find a thread where you can make a contribution. Kaepernick has always been a good kid. If he wants to be a starter, well, we have a QB who is several years older than him. So why not? Because he's bad for business. It's really that simple.

That's a valid concern that can't be argued without experiencing it, so its a business decision.

there Chief:

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All my points are clearly state, and valid points. If you think its shitty, so be it. Doesn't make your opinion enough to discredit anybody else.

So does this mean if somebody posts an opinion we need to bow down to the greatness of the post and accept it as a good one?

Is BBI supposed to be a safe zone?

Look - you took a topic that has been discussed forever and basically offered a suggestion that is terrible for a number of reasons:
1) Kaep is a bad fit for the offense
2) He's a bad fit for the organization
3) His potential for distraction far outweighs his talent at this point
4) He adds a potential controversy in a situation that has none

Now, you can refer to the TOS for whatever reason you did above. And I don't believe my opinion alone is enough to discredit yours - you've sort of already accomplished that without anyone's help, but the 4 points above add context to why your opinion is shitty on this subject.

We will probably agree to disagree, but your idea that nobody should question you is pure and utter horseshit

He isn't a very good qb, he's selfish and looking to cause trouble.

I know there are plenty of worse apples in the NFL but why would the Giants tarnish their image and insult their fan base by bringing in this clown.

He needs a haircut.

just fuck no.

And he's not a great kid like you keep saying. Just stop it.

"The juice ain't worth the squeeze?"

In comment 13564024 FatMan in Charlotte said:

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there Chief: Quote: All my points are clearly state, and valid points. If you think its shitty, so be it. Doesn't make your opinion enough to discredit anybody else. So does this mean if somebody posts an opinion we need to bow down to the greatness of the post and accept it as a good one? Is BBI supposed to be a safe zone? Look - you took a topic that has been discussed forever and basically offered a suggestion that is terrible for a number of reasons: 1) Kaep is a bad fit for the offense 2) He's a bad fit for the organization 3) His potential for distraction far outweighs his talent at this point 4) He adds a potential controversy in a situation that has none Now, you can refer to the TOS for whatever reason you did above. And I don't believe my opinion alone is enough to discredit yours - you've sort of already accomplished that without anyone's help, but the 4 points above add context to why your opinion is shitty on this subject. We will probably agree to disagree, but your idea that nobody should question you is pure and utter horseshit

Straw man.

If you start out by calling an idea 'shitty,' which you did, without any qualification, then its quite simple. You are stating that your opinion is all-important.

Stop being a snowflake. At least in this post you added a few reasons. Why not put that in your first post instead of the invective?

As to your points in this post:

1. I agree he is a bad fit. But he did change with the new offense in SF. So there's at least the potential if you bring him in and give it a shot. Other running QBs have changed to fit an offense. And we know Kaepernick is a superior athlete, who has played QB at a high level.
2. Its a better organization. If you are saying he's a risk, I agree with you. But its a relative risk, in my opinion. I believe more players are going to let their opinions be known (I mentioned Michael Bennett already has done so), and I also believe that Kaepernick might change after going through a career trauma. We don't know him personally, so it might be up to the Giants' brain trust to investigate.
3. I agree. See above point.
4. Same as above.

He has a high ceiling, proven in the NFL. There aren't too many QBs around that are there for free. Yes, its a risk. The odds can be narrowed down with some investment of time by the Giants.

That's my two cents.

This is why Society frowns on in-breeding.

so let's poke the hornets nest. Of course he's a troll.

When he pulled his America-bashing stunt, he said that he saw no difference between the American flag and the Confederate flag. For a man being paid many millions (to play a game) to suggest he was no better off than an antebellum slave is dumb beyond comprehension.

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just fuck no. And he's not a great kid like you keep saying. Just stop it.

He's an NFL-calibre QB. How many of those are around? Geno/Josh Johnson don't have his ability. And what has he done that is so bad? I shouldn't have to point out the good things he's done. Those are easy to find. Also, he has his viewpoint, for which he has been vilified. I haven't heard him responding like an immature kid, but keeping to himself. Maybe he is a good kid, after all.

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This is why Society frowns on in-breeding.

Always interesting how a person without opposable digits can use a computer. You're too funny.

Does he have ability? Probably. He's shown that he does in the past. But the man is just a bad head case. This team has the potential to do something special this season.

Why take the chance on ruining it with a complete distraction like this?

really don't seem to grasp things very well:

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If you start out by calling an idea 'shitty,' which you did, without any qualification, then its quite simple. You are stating that your opinion is all-important.

Calling an idea shitty that's been shown to be shitty numerous times over the past months shouldn't require some long diatribe to rebuke the crap in the OP.

It is less about my opinion being all-important and more that yours really sucks ass. I'm gathering you aren't too keen on that, but I'm not going to rosy things up for a guy who doesn't seem to fucking follow the board on this topic all that well.

explain that around the league, Kaepernick isn't seen as a backup. Basically, he's not a guy you fit into someone else's offense; he's a guy you build your offense around. So people figure you either sign him to start or you don't sign him at all.

I figure, Cutler's "off the board," Kaepernick is still on the street. Some QB will end up on IR and he'll get a chance. Probably.

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In comment 13564039 LauderdaleMatty said: Quote: This is why Society frowns on in-breeding. Always interesting how a person without opposable digits can use a computer. You're too funny.

And it's funny how Kaep can wear a shirt w a mass murderer on it and assholes like you will defend him. My Cuban Inlaws who had to flee Cuba an many of my fiends families suffered greatly. But take this in the spirit it's meant. You are scum. So is he. Guess it's ok to kill thousands of people right.

Seruously. He's not a good kid and you are a troll. Keep pretending You and the other morons who support this kid have some high ground. He's. Not better than Geno. That's your opinion

Meanwhile sorry you only had one set of grandparents.

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He isn't a very good qb, he's selfish and looking to cause trouble. I know there are plenty of worse apples in the NFL but why would the Giants tarnish their image and insult their fan base by bringing in this clown. He needs a haircut.

There's nothing wrong with his hair.

Do the Giants tarnish their image every time they trot out or recognize LT? Their starting QB and equipment staff are being sued for fraud, where's the tarnishing there? Why doesn't giving drunk driver David Diehl all those gigs on their programming hurt their image?

(And, for the record, I don't want Kap on the Giants; I don't think he'd ever fit McAdoo's offense, as he seems to want to run it even as a backup.)

In comment 13564054 FatMan in Charlotte said:

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Calling an idea shitty that's been shown to be shitty numerous times over the past months shouldn't require some long diatribe to rebuke the crap in the OP. It is less about my opinion being all-important and more that yours really sucks ass.

And there you go again, your opinion defeats the real world.

The idea has more merit than being dismissed just because you call it shitty. Nobody in the real world cares how many drunks say there are UFOs flying over your house. There's facts to deal with.

So you have a 'shitty' opinion, and you're backing it up with somebody else's 'shitty' opinion. Too bad you haven't any facts. Your opinion is worth the same as the drunks.

I stated my opinion. With some reasoning. I even responded to your points in a reasoned way. So tough break for you, having to read and all that. I hope you're sitting down and taking it slow.

It really IS about your opinion being 'all-important.' Wow, how smug.

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explain that around the league, Kaepernick isn't seen as a backup. Basically, he's not a guy you fit into someone else's offense; he's a guy you build your offense around. So people figure you either sign him to start or you don't sign him at all. I figure, Cutler's "off the board," Kaepernick is still on the street. Some QB will end up on IR and he'll get a chance. Probably.

Now that's a thoughtful post with something new and useful. Thanks.

And Johnson. I'm not sure his heart is in the game as much as being an activist and after the Josh Brown debacle I don't think the Giants want to be seen as soft on domestic violence and anthem kneelers.

I could see him ending up as a backup on Seattle. Say what you want about Pete Carroll but he has a track record of maximizing the talent of his roster and the offended would not need to adapt much if Wilson was injured

Kaep was not a good NFL QB. He certainly doesn't fit McAdoo's planned offense either.

Much rather have Geno Smith. Have a pleasant evening.

talking support system like he has done something wrong!?!?! WTF ...


He is silently protesting the murdering of minorities and poor people & unknowns ....

A lot of you forget that the govt the system tried to lie about Pat Tillman what if he was not an ex-NFL player??? You know what they would have gotten away with it! That is what is happening right now as I type this some reg Joe is being murder and the narrative will be I feared for my life ....

That self absorbed ignorant asshole in a Giant uniform ? No he is not that talented, he is a lefty ass hole, and belongs anywhere else but in Blue.

and bow out since I'm talking to a guy who thinks he has a voice that not only should be heard, but needs to be heard:

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It really IS about your opinion being 'all-important.' Wow, how smug.

I'll say it again - this Kaep idea has literally been discussed dozens of times. You've brought nothing new to the table and keep trotting out things like "he's a good kid" and so forth. I shouldn't have to go into detail on why this idea really, really sucks because it has been done over and over again.

You seem to think BBI owes you their ear. That your post should be validated.

Take my opinion and throw it away and what are you left with? Your same shitty idea. It doesn't get any better or more valid if my posts aren't here. It sucks on its own or with commentary by me or others.

You can keep expecting BBI to respect your view, but that probably won't happen if you keep offering some fucking awful takes. Or you can keep yammering on about respect while you mock others regarding opposable thumbs and the like, because you know, it's apparently alright to shit on others as long as nobody is giving you a Dirty Sanchez. Right?

In comment 13564078 MotownGIANTS said:

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talking support system like he has done something wrong!?!?! WTF ... He is silently protesting the murdering of minorities and poor people & unknowns .... A lot of you forget that the govt the system tried to lie about Pat Tillman what if he was not an ex-NFL player??? You know what they would have gotten away with it! That is what is happening right now as I type this some reg Joe is being murder and the narrative will be I feared for my life ....

Supporting the rights of minorities is a noble cause. Sporting a Fidel Castro shirt? C'mon man. That should be hanging next to my Kim Jong-un shirt.

I respect more for Kneeling than just sitting down. I think it’s not totally out of bounds that he see's something wrong and wants to high light it. I just wish he had found a less controversial way to do it, at least for his own good. If stadiums had area's for people to also take a knee during the national anthem and a white board of some type to write down what there grievance was then maybe we'd nip in the bud small problems before they became big problems. I know that’s not in teams business models (obviously they shouldn’t be forced to either) and I’m not talking parking tickets here. All dynamic systems thou need negative feedback to remain stable. I believe democracies with free speech are more stable in the long run than totalitarian countries that have to progressively tighten the screws (or go the bread and circuses route until you run out of bread and circuses). If I were black and a very small proportion of policemen thought they had a right to give less consideration to my rights than a white person than I wouldn’t think that is a small problem but since I’m white maybe I don’t give it the consideration it deserves. I also think some of the BLM folks thou were making things worse for a while, hopefully it will blow over with local communities realizing they have to screen police candidates better and raise the pay of police officers to get higher quality candidates but first they have to do their jobs which includes equality for all before the law.

with. To get involved with the madness that comes with signing a back up QB embroiled in a racial, societal, economic controversy, isn't worth the return, I suppose.

Regardless of the fact that he's protesting something worth our attention.

It's not personal. It's business. He has every right to protest and make his opinions known.

Teams aren't obligated to sign him if they feel he isn't worth the trouble.

This isn't a difficult concept to understand.

In comment 13564067 sawxray said:

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In comment 13564054 FatMan in Charlotte said: Quote: Calling an idea shitty that's been shown to be shitty numerous times over the past months shouldn't require some long diatribe to rebuke the crap in the OP. It is less about my opinion being all-important and more that yours really sucks ass. And there you go again, your opinion defeats the real world. The idea has more merit than being dismissed just because you call it shitty. Nobody in the real world cares how many drunks say there are UFOs flying over your house. There's facts to deal with. So you have a 'shitty' opinion, and you're backing it up with somebody else's 'shitty' opinion. Too bad you haven't any facts. Your opinion is worth the same as the drunks. I stated my opinion. With some reasoning. I even responded to your points in a reasoned way. So tough break for you, having to read and all that. I hope you're sitting down and taking it slow. It really IS about your opinion being 'all-important.' Wow, how smug.

No actually you have not stated anything new. We have discussed this since January. It has been beaten to death. This is not groundbreaking and there are no new facts.

So to the original question - Geno is likely as good as Kaep and a better fit for the Giants offense. The Giants are a tight team and don't need a shit stirrer who thinks all cops are pigs and Che Guevara is a hero. Somebody that doesn't realize that if he lived in Cuba he'd be making $5G playing his sport; living in a two room apartment that may have electricity or not and be driving a clapped out '53 Plymouth. If he protested Raul, he'd disappear to some prison never to be heard from again.

So no we don't need Kaep on the Giants.

In comment 13564085 Mike From Brielle said:

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I respect more for Kneeling than just sitting down. I think it’s not totally out of bounds that he see's something wrong and wants to high light it. I just wish he had found a less controversial way to do it, at least for his own good. If stadiums had area's for people to also take a knee during the national anthem and a white board of some type to write down what there grievance was then maybe we'd nip in the bud small problems before they became big problems. I know that’s not in teams business models (obviously they shouldn’t be forced to either) and I’m not talking parking tickets here. All dynamic systems thou need negative feedback to remain stable. I believe democracies with free speech are more stable in the long run than totalitarian countries that have to progressively tighten the screws (or go the bread and circuses route until you run out of bread and circuses). If I were black and a very small proportion of policemen thought they had a right to give less consideration to my rights than a white person than I wouldn’t think that is a small problem but since I’m white maybe I don’t give it the consideration it deserves. I also think some of the BLM folks thou were making things worse for a while, hopefully it will blow over with local communities realizing they have to screen police candidates better and raise the pay of police officers to get higher quality candidates but first they have to do their jobs which includes equality for all before the law.

"I just wish he had found a less controversial way to do it"

and that is the whole issue right there....smh ....

I need the protest of murders to be done in a way that still lets me feel good ... pretend its not a real issue

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and bow out since I'm talking to a guy who thinks he has a voice that not only should be heard, but needs to be heard: Quote: It really IS about your opinion being 'all-important.' Wow, how smug. I'll say it again - this Kaep idea has literally been discussed dozens of times. You've brought nothing new to the table and keep trotting out things like "he's a good kid" and so forth. I shouldn't have to go into detail on why this idea really, really sucks because it has been done over and over again. You seem to think BBI owes you their ear. That your post should be validated. Take my opinion and throw it away and what are you left with? Your same shitty idea. It doesn't get any better or more valid if my posts aren't here. It sucks on its own or with commentary by me or others. You can keep expecting BBI to respect your view, but that probably won't happen if you keep offering some fucking awful takes. Or you can keep yammering on about respect while you mock others regarding opposable thumbs and the like, because you know, it's apparently alright to shit on others as long as nobody is giving you a Dirty Sanchez. Right?

Beyond your reconstructing the facts:

1. You have an opinion. I never said to stop. I have an opinion. You insist 'stop.' How does that work, Champ?
2. Its free speech, Champ. But not 'I have the right with my free speech to stop your free speech.'
2. Your final reasoning goes like this-Too many Kaepernick threads. So I'll just read another and whine about it endlessly. Just. Stop. Reading. Kaepernick. Threads. (you'll feel better)

I hope you enjoy your parallel universe.

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with. To get involved with the madness that comes with signing a back up QB embroiled in a racial, societal, economic controversy, isn't worth the return, I suppose. Regardless of the fact that he's protesting something worth our attention. It's not personal. It's business. He has every right to protest and make his opinions known. Teams aren't obligated to sign him if they feel he isn't worth the trouble. This isn't a difficult concept to understand.

That's well-said.

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