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Blake Bortles

bigbluewreckingcrew25 : 8/18/2017 9:30 am
Tom Coughlin's first major crisis has arrived in Jacksonville in the form of Blake Bortles. To say he has had a bad camp and preseason would be an understatement. It started with the 5 INT practice, then Jaylen Ramsey liking a column detailing potential replacements for Bortles, then the video of his WR cursing when a ball was overthrown to him, then last night's putrid performance. Jacksonville, for the first time in a LONG TIME, actually have some aspirations this year. Now, they are looking at potentially Chad Henne being the starter. Henne is the definition of a backup QB. Jacksonville has no shot to go anywhere this year with him leading the way. This leads to the question...what do you do. Do you go with Bortles anyway with the understanding that if he turns it around, then great you have a good young QB, and if not and they have a bad year, you get a high pick and take a QB. Or...do you reach out to Colin Kaepernick? I'm not trying to be controversial, or start a discussion on his protest. But, isn't he a better option for this year then Chad freaking Henne.
Kaepernick would not make them better.  
Mr. Bungle : 8/18/2017 9:33 am : link
He's not a good quarterback.
The Morons here who think Kaepernick  
LauderdaleMatty : 8/18/2017 9:35 am : link
Shoild. Be some type of viable option w the Giants as a back up or over Cutler in Miami would be better served by suggesting him there.

He still sucks and is a lesser version of Michael Vick but that's proably better than Borttles. The reality is they would be better off tanking and getting a top 3 pick for next years QB draft class.
YESSSSSS!  
allstarjim : 8/18/2017 9:43 am : link
We definitely need another thread discussing Kaepernick!
Kaepernick may not be a top half starter  
Sonic Youth : 8/18/2017 10:01 am : link
but he's definitely better than what Bortles has been this year and what Henne has always been.

To say otherwise is laughably incorrect.
There are 2 more preseason games  
njm : 8/18/2017 10:02 am : link
Casting off a 1st rd. pick based on the first 2 games with 1 a day practices that are now required I'd say is jumping the gun.

And the mention of Kaepernick every time a team has QB issues is approaching Jonas Seawright cult proportions.
I know Bortles has had  
Gman11 : 8/18/2017 10:08 am : link
a problem with interceptions, but to use a practice as a reason to get rid of him is ridiculous. I would think that any QB might take more chances in a practice than he might in a game that counts.

As for the WR, I think it says more about him than Bortles. I would release the WR.
I don't remember actually seeing  
mrvax : 8/18/2017 10:23 am : link
Bortles in a live game but looking at his stats, he seems to be OK. I'd give him a do-or-die year. I would not threaten him, just allow him to play.

Worse case: Jags can tank the year and get a guy in April from the QB bonanza.
If they decided to replace Bortles  
Biteymax22 : 8/18/2017 10:24 am : link
it would be with more of the game manager type.

Between adding Fournette and Robinson it is clear they are moving to a ball control, run the football type of team. No one on the FA market really fits this bill better than Henne does. Trade is possible, but I don't see a building team giving up draft picks.
Bortles.  
bceagle05 : 8/18/2017 10:33 am : link
Another guy the media fell in love with after a couple of good games. "He reminds me of Big Ben!" was a familiar cry.
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arcarsenal : 8/18/2017 10:33 am : link
I honestly think Henne is better than Bortles.

Which.. isn't saying much. But I think JAX has a better chance of winning games with Henne right now than they do with Bortles. Bortles is really bad. The Brandon Myers of QB's with much higher expectations.
If Jax really wants to make  
Rory : 8/18/2017 10:39 am : link
a statement about winning. Trade for AJ McCarron from Cincy.

He's a starter in waiting behind a franchise QB.
Aside from garbage time production  
YAJ2112 : 8/18/2017 10:40 am : link
Bortles has stunk for 2+ years. So they aren't basing it off 2 practice games. His mechanics are terrible and he's horribly inaccurate as a result. He's not getting any better. They've given him enough time.
That would be a really  
Jon in NYC : 8/18/2017 10:44 am : link
exciting team with Kaep.
RE: Kaepernick would not make them better.  
dpinzow : 8/18/2017 10:47 am : link
In comment 13564339 Mr. Bungle said:
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He's not a good quarterback.


As much stick as Kaepernick gets for the off the field stuff, he's better than Bortles and with good coaching is a competent starting QB
I don't watch much of the Jaguars but statistically he doesn't look  
Brown Recluse : 8/18/2017 10:50 am : link
that bad.

Whats the issue?
Stick with him  
The Tempest : 8/18/2017 10:52 am : link
They know what they have in Henne and need to stick with Bortles to the bitter end. The bitter end is when they realize Bortles is not the guy and are looking at a QB in the draft. They can get a decent prospect in the next draft if all goes well.
Kaepernick is better than Bortles - so what?  
jcn56 : 8/18/2017 10:55 am : link
Just about any NFL QB, backups included, might be better than Bortles. Does that mean Jax wants to take on that PR nightmare? Especially in a place like Jacksonville, that move wouldn't go down well.

The question is, will they bump Henne up to #1, go with Bortles first, or see if there's anyone out there to add to the roster who might be a capable replacement in the future.
In fairness to Bortles, he flashed in 2015 as a second year player...  
BurberryManning : 8/18/2017 10:58 am : link
Bortles put up an 88 QBR while dropping 35 TD's. Turnovers have always been a problem but the same could be said for many strong-armed youngsters. Last year was a disaster but let's not pretend that Blake has never demonstrated a modicum of success in the NFL.

He's one of the best guests on PMT so I'm holding out all hope that he rights the ship and holds onto the starting reigns.
"PR nightmare"  
jeff57 : 8/18/2017 11:03 am : link
I keep seeing this. But they had no PR problem taking on a dog killer.
Of Bortles 69 career TD passes  
YAJ2112 : 8/18/2017 11:04 am : link
58 have come when he's been trailing and 45 have come in the 2nd half.

He's not good and don't let his garbage time production fool you.
Chad Henne is better than Kaepernick  
Mike from Ohio : 8/18/2017 11:05 am : link
and gives them a better chance to win. Not sure why giving up assets for a serviceable backup would help.

Have the people suggesting teams sign Kapernicks watched any of his play in the last two years? He isn't very good.
RE: In fairness to Bortles, he flashed in 2015 as a second year player...  
arcarsenal : 8/18/2017 11:10 am : link
In comment 13564453 BurberryManning said:
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Bortles put up an 88 QBR while dropping 35 TD's. Turnovers have always been a problem but the same could be said for many strong-armed youngsters. Last year was a disaster but let's not pretend that Blake has never demonstrated a modicum of success in the NFL.

He's one of the best guests on PMT so I'm holding out all hope that he rights the ship and holds onto the starting reigns.


He really didn't, though - that's where people got fooled. They saw the stats and thought he took a big step forward but a very large chunk of it came in complete garbage time.
Bringing Kaep in wouldn't e the worst idea for Jax,  
Section331 : 8/18/2017 11:43 am : link
but I don't see Tom doing it. The last thing he wants in a player is a potential distraction.

Kaep definitely regressed, but SF was an absolute mess his last 2 seasons there, and even then, his season under Chip Kelly wasn't that bad. 16 TD's, only 4 INT's and 60% completion.

Bortles had a few decent seasons in Jac, but as some have noted, almost all of his numbers came when Jax was way behind. I think he is beyond reclamation at this point, at least in Jax. TC has to do something, and I think he knows it.
Blake Bortles 2015 stats were all smoke and mirrors  
NYG27 : 8/18/2017 11:47 am : link
Very large chunk of his passing yards and TDs came in garbage time with the Jaguars trailing in the second half. I think he even led the NFL in 4th quarter TDs with 14 but almost all of them were in garbage time.

Most telling of his 2015 stats were how he performed in the 4th quarter with the game still on the line. With the Jaguars still within 7 points, Blake Bortles completed 49% of his passes, for just 5.7 yards per pass play, 4 TDs/3 INT and a QB rating of just 68.

When the game was out of hand and the Jaguars were behind by more than 7 points, that's where he shined. Bortles completed 62% of his passes, for a robust 8.6 yards per pass play, 10 TDs/4 INT and a QB rating of over 103.6
Bortles isn't a major crisis  
Torrag : 8/18/2017 11:56 am : link
That team isn't ready to win with or without him. If he goes in the tank Tom can go get a new QB next year. And Kaepernick is just a shitty QB for any team.
Just read that Bortles might be cut and makes sense  
NYG27 : 8/18/2017 12:08 pm : link
Similar to what the Redskins did with RG3 and not wanting to play him his last season there to avoid an injury risk and guarantee a huge option year.

Jaguars might be better off cutting Bortles for just $3 million cap hit for this season but if he plays and gets injured, his $19 million option would be guaranteed.
Kaep vs. Vick and the PR nightmare thing  
Dr. D : 8/18/2017 12:12 pm : link
I don't like either one of them, but there are at least a couple important differences between the 2 situations, which some don't seem to realize.

1. Vick did time, apologized and was contrite about his misbehavior. Kaep is not contrite. He will most likely continue to do and say things that piss off a lot of paying customers.

2. The majority of Philly fans welcomed Vick because A. They were desperate (they knew McNabb's days were numbered and he wasn't super popular anyway) and B. He did his time, apologized, etc. Kaep will not be accepted by a large % of any fanbase because he's going to continue acting in a way that a lot of people think is ignorant, offensive, misguided and inappropriate.

Team owners are running businesses. They have no responsibility to hire someone who is going to piss off a lot of their customers and adversely affect their bottom line or company goals.
RE: The Morons here who think Kaepernick  
santacruzom : 8/18/2017 12:27 pm : link
In comment 13564341 LauderdaleMatty said:
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SThe reality is they would be better off tanking and getting a top 3 pick for next years QB draft class.


Yeah, but the last time they drafted a QB with a top three pick they got... Blake Bortles!
RE:  
santacruzom : 8/18/2017 12:29 pm : link
In comment 13564460 jeff57 said:
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I keep seeing this. But they had no PR problem taking on a dog killer.


Yeah, but a lot of Americans are more offended by a guy making controversial statements about his country than they are by a guy who tortures dogs.
its not a PR nightmare ( i hate that buzz phrase)  
Rory : 8/18/2017 12:31 pm : link
its the chemistry within the locker room that your're risking.

You could be creating a division among players on their beliefs.

Kap deserves what he gets, he committed career suicide with his little spectacle and he had multiple opportunities to handle it differently.
Late to the thread, but there is no confidence in Bortles  
Diver_Down : 8/18/2017 12:38 pm : link
With the regime change, Blake had to realize that he was on a short leash. With the 5th year option picked up, the Jags can't risk Blake suffering an injury where the $19 MM is guaranteed. These last 2 weeks might be his only shot of earning a jersey.

Colin would not be a thought for Jax. It is a military town with a large veteran population. If you go to the west/south of downtown, you will find yourself surrounded by confederate sympathizers. Heck, in Baker county, there is still a mural in the court house depicting white hooded riders on horseback celebrating the KKK. My advise to Colin is to not even breakdown on the side of the road as he might end up floating in a gator hole.
Does it really matter  
Doomster : 8/18/2017 12:39 pm : link
who is qb, if their receivers keep dropping td passes?
Jacksonville should just go with Bortles  
Jay on the Island : 8/18/2017 12:45 pm : link
for the season. The truth is that they won't make the playoffs with Henne or Kaepernick. If Bortles continues to play poorly then they will have a top 5 pick and a shot at one of the top QB's in next years strong class. They have a very talented young roster who is a QB away from being a playoff contender.
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