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NFT: FF Keeper League Draft Trade Question

pjcas18 : 8/18/2017 3:31 pm
So I have posted my keeper league situation on here before a couple times.

To recap, 12 team, ppr, 6-pt per TD pass league, 2 keepers lose the draft round in year 1, and it halves every year after.

Keepers: Howard (8th), M. Thomas (11th)

I have 2 1st's (3 and 7), 2 2nds and 1 3rd round pick.

I was fine with the 3rd pick until Elliott was suspended. No I think it sucks.

In my league Beckham, Jones, and Elliott were head and shoulders above every other available player.

So now at #3 I'm left with:
McCoy
Freeman
Mike Evans
TY
Dez
etc.

The guy with the 1st overall pick offered to trade me his 1st and 2nd for my two firsts.

That would give me #1 overall (and I'd take Beckham) and then 3 2nd round picks.

So instead of 3, 7, 12, 16, 24

I would have 1, 12, 16, 18, 24

Would you do it?

List your top 18 players.  
robbieballs2003 : 8/18/2017 3:36 pm : link
It would help make the decision.
RE: List your top 18 players.  
pjcas18 : 8/18/2017 3:41 pm : link
In comment 13564909 robbieballs2003 said:
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It would help make the decision.


Based on fantasypros (I'll give you top 25):

1. Beckham
2. Elliott (pre-suspension)
3. Jones
4. McCoy
5. Evans
6. Freeman
7. TY
8. Dez
9. Baldwin
10. Gronk
11. D. Thomas
12. Gurley
13. Hopkins
14. Fournette
15. L. Miller
16. A-Rob
17. Keenan Allen
18. Kelce
19. Watkins (pre-trade)
20. Alshon
21. Tate
22. Crabtree
23. McCaffrey
24. Fitz
25. Landry
As cool as it would be to have Beckham  
robbieballs2003 : 8/18/2017 3:46 pm : link
I think there is a clear difference between 12 and 16. I'd rather have 3 of those top 12 players than 2 of them. I'd probably pass.
I agree that  
bigbluehoya : 8/18/2017 3:47 pm : link
The Zeke suspension screwed you.

I'd probably do the trade, but picks 9 to 25 are such slop that it isn't a no-brainer in my opinion.
I'd probably just keep 3 and 7  
YAJ2112 : 8/18/2017 3:51 pm : link
but I don't think it's a terrible trade if you want OBJ
My biggest issue  
pjcas18 : 8/18/2017 3:54 pm : link
is at 3.

I view a big difference between Beckham and McCoy or Evans.


Do you? Do you think there is? If Elliott wasn't suspended it would be a no-brainer to me, but his suspension changes everything.

So basically it's how you consider:

Evans, McCoy or Freeman (@3)
TY, Baldwin, or Gronk (@7)
Gurley, Hopkins or Fournette (@12)
A-rod, Allen, or Kelce (@16)

vs

Beckham (@1)
Gurley, Hopkins, or Fournette (@12)
A-rod, Allen, or Kelce (@16)
Watkins, Alshon, or Tate (@18)

So my core team would be (one of)

Howard (K)
M. Thomas (K)
Evans
TY
Gurley
Kelce

or

Howard (K)
M. Thomas (K)
Beckham
Gurley
Kelce
Alshon

depending how the draft falls.

Do you prefer one of those two or would you expect different targets?
RE: As cool as it would be to have Beckham  
giants#1 : 8/18/2017 3:55 pm : link
In comment 13564925 robbieballs2003 said:
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I think there is a clear difference between 12 and 16. I'd rather have 3 of those top 12 players than 2 of them. I'd probably pass.


He's really trading 3 and 7 for 1 and 18. If the other guys 2nd was near the top of the round it'd be tougher, but I wouldn't do it as is. You're going from something like:

Evans/Fournette or Evans/Gronk (I like Evans better than McCoy)

to: Beckham/McCaffrey or Beckham/Kelce

I love Beckham and have him as a keeper in a league I'm in, but he's marginally better than Evans FFL-wise. In my league (6 pts TD, 0.5 ppr, 1 pt/10 yds), Evans actually outscored Beckham by 0.5 pt/game last season.
Like others I would probably not do the trade  
Giants56 : 8/18/2017 3:59 pm : link
but it isn't terrible if you really want Odell.
When is your draft? Because I honestly might still take Ezekiel at 3 if his suspension gets reduced to like 3 games. Him + a replacement level guy for 3 weeks still likely ends up top 3 RB.

As is I think I would keep 3 & 7 and draft Evans at 3
Personally  
giants#1 : 8/18/2017 4:00 pm : link
I'm letting someone else gamble on Gurley's bounce back, especially if it's costing me a top 15 pick. I'd take Fournette or Miller over him if they're all available at 12. With all of your extra picks, I'd seriously consider taking Elliott at pick 12 or 16 too.

What are the odds Freeman or McCoy fall to #7? Any of the teams picking already have 2 RBs?
RE: Personally  
pjcas18 : 8/18/2017 4:05 pm : link
In comment 13564944 giants#1 said:
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I'm letting someone else gamble on Gurley's bounce back, especially if it's costing me a top 15 pick. I'd take Fournette or Miller over him if they're all available at 12. With all of your extra picks, I'd seriously consider taking Elliott at pick 12 or 16 too.

What are the odds Freeman or McCoy fall to #7? Any of the teams picking already have 2 RBs?


I could see one of them falling to 7 because there are a lot of Cowboys fans, so someone may take Elliott in the top 7.

But no one is keeping two RB's except one guy keeping Le'Veon Bell and Melvin Gordon, but he picks later.
pj  
robbieballs2003 : 8/18/2017 4:11 pm : link
I think most of us are in agreement. It is a fair trade. But most feel there is similar production between Beckham and the other players left. However, if you feel there is a big gap then make the trade.
I'd stay pat then and hope for  
giants#1 : 8/18/2017 4:12 pm : link
3 - Evans
7 - McCoy/Freeman (TY/Gronk fallbacks)
12 - Fournette/Miller/Gurley if you can start 3 RBs or end up with TY/Gronk otherwise DT/Hopkins
16 - Kelce (Alshon/A-Rob fallbacks)

This would be a strong team:
RB: Howard/Freeman/Miller
WR: Thomas/Evans
TE: Kelce

I'll stand  
pjcas18 : 8/18/2017 4:14 pm : link
pat I appreciate the advice, I probably overvalued Beckham due to my Giants fandom.

I agree looking at the stats not a ton of difference between Beckham and Evans.
Thank you for the replies  
pjcas18 : 8/18/2017 4:32 pm : link
I like bouncing ideas off other people.

It was an interesting offer.
Why is OBJ ranked so high in this league?  
EricJ : 8/18/2017 8:13 pm : link
what am I missing?
RE: Why is OBJ ranked so high in this league?  
pjcas18 : 8/18/2017 8:15 pm : link
In comment 13565105 EricJ said:
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what am I missing?


Keeper league, DJ, Bell, Brown all kept. Of the remaining players Beckham was 2nd or 3rd best depending on the site along with Elliott and Jones.
RE: Why is OBJ ranked so high in this league?  
giants#1 : 8/18/2017 8:25 pm : link
In comment 13565105 EricJ said:
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what am I missing?


OBJ is a top 3 WR and top 6 player in every league. I think what you're "missing" is that pjcas felt there was a bigger gap between OBJ/Julio than the 2016 stats show. (Which is legit if you're talking real football instead ofFFL).
RE: Thank you for the replies  
bigbluehoya : 8/18/2017 8:31 pm : link
In comment 13564967 pjcas18 said:
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I like bouncing ideas off other people.

It was an interesting offer.


Will you consider Zeke at 7 if there?

I think you should.

Your volume of picks in the second round will set you up nicely to focus on adding RB depth in rounds 4-7 (which IMO is where a ton of upside sits at RB this year)
RE: RE: Thank you for the replies  
pjcas18 : 8/18/2017 8:35 pm : link
In comment 13565115 bigbluehoya said:
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In comment 13564967 pjcas18 said:


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I like bouncing ideas off other people.

It was an interesting offer.



Will you consider Zeke at 7 if there?

I think you should.

Your volume of picks in the second round will set you up nicely to focus on adding RB depth in rounds 4-7 (which IMO is where a ton of upside sits at RB this year)


Probably, since it's a keeper league and I should have enough talent with the picks and keepers to hopefully keep me alive until Elliott comes back.
Pass  
WillVAB : 8/18/2017 11:46 pm : link
But if you really want Odell why not counter with a 1st and 3rd rounder?

I mean he's only moving down two spots and probably doesn't want Odell and knows you do.
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