NFT: Mets: Grandy traded

From the Nats. Doesn't appear to be a fit

Good guy who deserves another shot at a ring.

But, damn, Sandy is really cleaning house, which is smart imo.!Get rid of the stench of 2017. Get the young guys playing time and don't let mail it in vets serve as bad role models late in a meaningless part of the season

and solid contributor go. Understand he needed to go but it's never any fun saying goodbye to a guy like that.

Sadly I will not be able to root for him to win a World Series is my hatred for the Dodgers is nearly as great as my hatred for the Yankees. Sorry. Play my dad who was a New York baseball Giants fan as a kid. Just the house I grew up in. LOL. Hoping that Granderson those great the rest of the way and that they lose and heartbreaking style in some way along the path. 😃

however after listening and watching Kershaw and a huge hatred for the Nats
i'll pull for the Dodgers.

In comment 13565319 Vanzetti said:

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But, damn, Sandy is really cleaning house, which is smart imo.!Get rid of the stench of 2017. Get the young guys playing time and don't let mail it in vets serve as bad role models late in a meaningless part of the season

Cab is probably staying as insurance for 3rd base. The option is reasonable

R Rivera as well

In comment 13565369 spike said:

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R Rivera as well

for what? a box of Cheerios????

In comment 13565369 spike said:

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R Rivera as well

Well I guess they should try to get another look at shitty Plawecki

should be next to go.

I've never seen a team empty their useful players for a bigger collection of junk. Can't wait to see what low A ball, crappy relief pitcher we got for Grandy.

You're hard pressed to find a better human being than Grandy. Happy he gets a shot with a contender.

In comment 13565420 PhiPsi125 said:

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I've never seen a team empty their useful players for a bigger collection of junk. Can't wait to see what low A ball, crappy relief pitcher we got for Grandy.

They were not resigning any of the players they traded away.
It's a smart move to get something for them even if it is a low A relief pitcher

In comment 13565426 larryflower37 said:

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In comment 13565420 PhiPsi125 said: Quote: I've never seen a team empty their useful players for a bigger collection of junk. Can't wait to see what low A ball, crappy relief pitcher we got for Grandy. They were not resigning any of the players they traded away. It's a smart move to get something for them even if it is a low A relief pitcher

True, but just because they weren't resigning the players doesn't mean they have to give them away. The Mets always seem to sell their players for cents on the dollar. Time for a regime change.

And Reed came in and saved the Red Soz ass yesterday. Fun times for Mets fans

looks like a straight up waiver claim so Mets don't get anything back but maybe save a little bit more cash.

Brought back great prospects. This just isn't the year. JD Drew was traded for garbage also and he's a better hitter than anyone we traded. It is what it is this year. Saturated market for power bats.

Couldn't stand the mere sight of him. Lol

In comment 13565451 Metnut said:

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looks like a straight up waiver claim so Mets don't get anything back but maybe save a little bit more cash.

Shecky is dancing in the streets as Plawecki will be getting plenty of playing time.

and Dickey was the Cy Young winner. Big difference.

I agree that it's just not the season but I still feel like Mets always sell low on their players. Maybe it's just the recency effect of our shitty fire sale this season but I'm tired of making these deals that are centered on saving money. But it is a business I guess.

for Beltran. He was having a great year and rentals were more valuable then. Wheeler looks like a bust.

In comment 13565465 PhiPsi125 said:

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and Dickey was the Cy Young winner. Big difference. I agree that it's just not the season but I still feel like Mets always sell low on their players. Maybe it's just the recency effect of our shitty fire sale this season but I'm tired of making these deals that are centered on saving money. But it is a business I guess.

The only player I fault the Mets for trading is Bruce. IMO they did not get a good return for Reed and we have yet to see what the return for Bruce is but I wouldn't get my hopes up. Bruce could have been a key player for the Mets next year especially at 1B if Smith doesn't improve. The Mets lost a lot of offense by trading away Bruce, Duda, Walker, and Granderson that they won't be replacing with prospects. This will put a lot of pressure on them to add several bats to the lineup which they won't be able to do. I am not looking to get into any arguments but I think the Mets are going to be lucky to win 80 games next season.

In comment 13565468 Metnut said:

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for Beltran. He was having a great year and rentals were more valuable then. Wheeler looks like a bust.

Wheeler was an incredible return for a Beltran rental. That was a win-win trade as Beltran was a key player in their championship run. Wheeler had FOR potential but will never be that pitcher due to all the time he missed due to injury.

In comment 13565468 Metnut said:

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for Beltran. He was having a great year and rentals were more valuable then. Wheeler looks like a bust.

Wheeler was the number eleven prospect in baseball and I'd hesitate calling any player that made it to the majors a bust. I also seem to remember people being over Beltran. He was coming off multiple injury plagued seasons, could no longer play CF.... the consensus was he was at the end of the line and we stole that trade. Yes, then Beltran went on to have an amazing bunch of years between 35-40 but it was unexpectedly IMO.

In comment 13565469 Jay on the Island said:

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In comment 13565465 PhiPsi125 said: Quote: and Dickey was the Cy Young winner. Big difference. I agree that it's just not the season but I still feel like Mets always sell low on their players. Maybe it's just the recency effect of our shitty fire sale this season but I'm tired of making these deals that are centered on saving money. But it is a business I guess. The only player I fault the Mets for trading is Bruce. IMO they did not get a good return for Reed and we have yet to see what the return for Bruce is but I wouldn't get my hopes up. Bruce could have been a key player for the Mets next year especially at 1B if Smith doesn't improve. The Mets lost a lot of offense by trading away Bruce, Duda, Walker, and Granderson that they won't be replacing with prospects. This will put a lot of pressure on them to add several bats to the lineup which they won't be able to do. I am not looking to get into any arguments but I think the Mets are going to be lucky to win 80 games next season.

If they stand pat you are absolutely right but why can't we sign Bruce in the offseason? He was pretty vocal about loving the team and fans. Mets are going to sign back at least two veteran bats. I think Bruce will be considered.

people expected for him. He was having a great season and was one of the premiere outfielders in baseball. He should have netted a big return. And I do view Wheeler at the time as a big return. I was fine with that trade.

Teams that traded for them used to be able to reap 1 or 2 high draft picks as compensation when they left in free agency in the offseason. Essentisly teams were trading for the player PLUS the picks. That drove offers higher.

Now they get no picks. So it's just the math on what a two month rental is worth.

The worst of the 3 prospects we got for Reed (considered at the deadline) is throwing 101 mph with control since he arrived in the organization.

the off-season. Sure, we can try. But there is an advantage to having him on the team and resigning him versus trading him away and then trying to bring him back. There is a reason why it's not very common. If they want to, I expect it to be more difficult and more expensive. Two things that the Mets don't like.

In comment 13565475 Jim in Fairfax said:

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Teams that traded for them used to be able to reap 1 or 2 high draft picks as compensation when they left in free agency in the offseason. Essentisly teams were trading for the player PLUS the picks. That drove offers higher. Now they get no picks. So it's just the math on what a two month rental is worth.

Fair point

In comment 13565474 PhiPsi125 said:

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people expected for him. He was having a great season and was one of the premiere outfielders in baseball. He should have netted a big return. And I do view Wheeler at the time as a big return. I was fine with that trade.

I'm just saying I didn't expect Beltran to have a lot of value. Yes, he was having a bounce back season but I thought he was considered injury prone. I think he even missed a couple weeks prior to the deadline but I'd have to check.

In comment 13565477 PhiPsi125 said:

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the off-season. Sure, we can try. But there is an advantage to having him on the team and resigning him versus trading him away and then trying to bring him back. There is a reason why it's not very common. If they want to, I expect it to be more difficult and more expensive. Two things that the Mets don't like.

This is absolutely true. Here is an advantage if a player stays. However, if Bruce stayed the Mets would have offered a QO that he would have declined. Idk, Mets have about 70 million bucks to spend this offseason. They are going to have to spend it somewhere. We will not have a 75 million dollar payroll in 2018.

We don't know what the return is for Walker/Grandy yet.

figures to be 120-130 currently it's 58.5 + (these are rough estimates)

+6 for Blevins (58.5 doesn't include his option just his 1 million buyout), potentially
+ 6.5 for Cabrera (if they pick up his option)
+ 8 for Ramos
+10 for Familia
+3 for TDA
+1 for Wheeler
+5 for Thor
+7 for Harvey
+700,000 for Robles
+3.5 for Wilmer

So roughly they have

58.5+45 committed without Cabrera and 51 with him so they have a lot more money committed than people realize. They don't have oodles of money to spend

idea the accuracy but a Brewers site with a supposed insider claims it'a Clint Coulter, was a 1st round pick that moved off catcher and never developed. If it's him he's organizational filler. Not a top 50 prospect in their system on one list, and 35th on sickels Brewers list

Familia is getting a 10 million dollar raise off of what he's already making this year? Some of those figures seem high.

In any event, I think Cabrera is either traded or his option is not picked up. We might also come to a settlement with Wright.

Mets will sign a minimum of two bats and maybe a reliever.

In comment 13565496 ZGiants98 said:

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Familia is getting a 10 million dollar raise off of what he's already making this year? Some of those figures seem high. In any event, I think Cabrera is either traded or his option is not picked up. We might also come to a settlement with Wright. Mets will sign a minimum of two bats and maybe a reliever.

10 million dollar Raise? No. He's making 7.4. That's a raise of 2.6 million. The Mets 2018 payroll commitment counts the arbitration eligible payers as 0 dollars + 10 million is 2.6 more than what he made this year.

seems high? If anything I went low based on what players usually get. those aren't raises, that's their total salary which again is counted as 0 when talking about 58.5 committed.

arbitration players. Obviously, those numbers would seem high if you were only listing raises. Thanks for clarifying.

accounts for Cespedes, Wright, 2 for Cabrera (buyout), Lagares, Blevins 1 million *buyout). Nothing else

In comment 13565491 DanMetroMan said:

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figures to be 120-130 currently it's 58.5 + (these are rough estimates) +6 for Blevins (58.5 doesn't include his option just his 1 million buyout), potentially + 6.5 for Cabrera (if they pick up his option) + 8 for Ramos +10 for Familia +3 for TDA +1 for Wheeler +5 for Thor +7 for Harvey +700,000 for Robles +3.5 for Wilmer So roughly they have 58.5+45 committed without Cabrera and 51 with him so they have a lot more money committed than people realize. They don't have oodles of money to spend

Also, this might be nitpicking but your numbers add up to 103.5 (without Cabrera) and 109.5 (with Cabrera). Where are you getting between 120-130 million? Finally, the Wright situation distorts things a bit. I think he either retires and we give him some sort of buyout similar to Cuddyer (it will be more obviously) or he sits out again. If he doesn't play and we collect insurance we arent paying 20 million for him either way.

another 10 or so to fill out the roster on minimum guys. Got it.

will have some money to spend for sure but it's not a massive sum. Largely in part to the paperweight that David Wright has become. Wright+ Harvey+Lagares (Lagares when healthy is still solid but 6.5 is high for his role) = almost 35 million, that's quite a bit

and I missed Degrom too. oof

absurd too. I wonder if they choose not to offer arbitration or if they work out a trade?

add about 6 to that total I stated.

super annoyed TJ Rivera went down when he did. This would have been a golden opportunity for him.

At least Nimmo should play every day now.

Im on board with a full tank from here on out. A top 5 pick would be pretty awesome.

1.) Nimmo
2.) Cecchini
3.) Conforto
4.) Cespedes
5.) Smith
6.) Flores
7.) Rosario
8.) TDA/Plawecki

deGrom, Matz, Montero, Gsellman, Flexen (I'd consider shutting down deGrom early)

In comment 13565526 ZGiants98 said:

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super annoyed TJ Rivera went down when he did. This would have been a golden opportunity for him. At least Nimmo should play every day now. Im on board with a full tank from here on out. A top 5 pick would be pretty awesome.

Whether you're on board or not they are in full tank mode now lol.

In comment 13565529 Jay on the Island said:

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In comment 13565526 ZGiants98 said: Quote: super annoyed TJ Rivera went down when he did. This would have been a golden opportunity for him. At least Nimmo should play every day now. Im on board with a full tank from here on out. A top 5 pick would be pretty awesome. Whether you're on board or not they are in full tank mode now lol.

True. lol. Im just saying, I dont even care if they shut down deGrom in September or flat our release Cabrera at this point. Suck for a top 5!

there aren't that many players to spend on that are worth spending on? I 've checked teh Free Agent list, we can spend on Moustakas, Cain, or maybe a pitcher like Lance Lynn, and possibly a reliever - though given the investment in minor league arms I think they are hoping that a few develop, plus they will probably move gsellman to the pen which migiht be good for him. Next year's roster right now is

C-d'Arnaud
1B-Smith
2B-TBD/Cabrera
SS-Rosario
3B-TBD/Cabrera
LF-Cespedes
CF-Conforto/TBD
RF-Conforto/TBD

SP-degrom
SP-Syndergaard
SP-Harvey
SP-Matz
SP-Wheeler
SP-Montero*
SP-Lugo*
SP-Gsellman*
SP-Flexen

RP-Familia
RP-Robles
RP-Blevins
RP-Smoker

C-Plawecki
IF-Flores
IF-T.J. Rivera
OF-Nimmo/Lagares
OF-

So, we really need to sort out our starting pitching because I have no idea what we can expect from the likes of Lugo/Matz/Gsellman/Harvey/Wheeler/Flexen, the only two reliable starters are deGrom and Syndergaard who both can be aces, and the others it's a complete crapshoot, they all have talent but are so incredibly injury prone or inconsistent, it's hard to plan.

I think we re-sign reyes as he seems to be a good clubhouse guy, is versatile, has speed, is beloved by the fan base, and by all accounts wants to be here.

So, in terms of expenditures, where do we spend?

Moustakas? eh
Cain? maybe
Bruce? I wouldn't be against it, not sure he would sign back
CarGo? 1 year maybe he was dreadful this year?
Gomez? Pass
Todd Frazier? Pass

There is just no supply of players to spend on. And our farm system is barren at this point.

The team really has no options but to hope that certain players performance improves back to historical levels (cespedes, harvey, matz) and that some players take a leaps (rosario, smith) and others continue to blossom (conforto)

Otherwise, I see a .500 team with no particular direction.

Exactly why the Mets should have dealt DeGrom...would have gotten a ton. They are clueless

In comment 13565535 brunswick said:

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Exactly why the Mets should have dealt DeGrom...would have gotten a ton. They are clueless

From the Way their deals are going, they likely would have dealt for lesser prospects and cash. They are an embarrassment.

Bruce, Moose, and Joe Smith and I'm good to go.
I have a hunch a few pitchers are going to finish the year strong (Montero, Flexen, Gsellman, Matz) making filling out the backend less of a concern. If that doesn't happen then it would be preferable to sign another SP. I know Yu Darvish is a pipe dream...

shohei otani

Bruce would be ok at a discount price, but I really hope they do a few creative things this winter to find younger more athletic players. Cain is by far the best FA fit, but the age/contract length will determine whether or not that's a smart move. At 3B I think we're going to see some combo of Cabrera/Flores/Rivera, and I don't think that's the wrong move. Cabrera's proven he can play here and get big hits, plus last year was as good as any year of Moose's career until this year - it's always risky buying off a career year price.

But I badly want a stabilizing presence at 3B. No more adventure throws. Flores/TJ/Cheech can compete for 2B.

would be my backup option.

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Interesting audition for Plawecki. Scouts who saw recently thought swing was much better. Vegas inflation, but still hit .328 at AAA. #Mets

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The Dodgers are taking a significant amount of Curtis Granderson's salary, but not all of it. The Mets ate some cash for the PTBNL.

Glad Grandy gets away from this abomination and gets a crack at winning a WS. He deserves it. Great, great guy - one of my favorite players in all of baseball and a guy who represented this team the right way.

Wish him nothing but the best.

Is here!

They were a declining team with a weak farm system. They were caught in a tough spot on whether to compete for 1 more season, as Justin Upton, Evan Gattis, and Jason Heyward were going into the final years of their contracts, or to go all in and rebuild. The Mets don't have the luxury of trading away guys like Simmons, Kimbrel, Heyward, and Upton but they could get a very nice return for Degrom and perhaps Cespedes if they went all in. They could focus on building around Thor, Conforto, Rosario, and Smith as the Braves did with Teheran, Freeman, and Albies.

Gattis was not going into the final year of his deal.

The entire rotation is under 30 and that includes about 9 guys. The entire pen is young outside of maybe Blevins. The lineup tonight has 6 guys in it that are well under 30 and all home grown outside of Cespedes (soon to be 7 when Cheech replaces Cabrera). The Mets already had their rebuild. It allowed them to acquire chips like Syndergaard and wait on their first-round picks to all hit the stage like Conforto.

I see no reason why we would need to go on another rebuild. If anything we need to get older. This team will badly need some seasoned vets sprinkled in next year to help guide all these youngsters.

The Mets already have heading into next year.

They have two of the top 10 aces in all of baseball heading up their rotation.

They have a top 5 closer.

They have a nasty one two punch in the middle of the order in Conforto/Cespedes

They have what appears to be a world class young SS.

They just need to fill in the roster with good role players and complementary players and get some luck in the health department for once. It shouldn't be impossible to get us back competitive again in 2018.

In comment 13565620 ZGiants98 said:

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The entire rotation is under 30 and that includes about 9 guys. The entire pen is young outside of maybe Blevins. The lineup tonight has 6 guys in it that are well under 30 and all home grown outside of Cespedes (soon to be 7 when Cheech replaces Cabrera). The Mets already had their rebuild. It allowed them to acquire chips like Syndergaard and wait on their first-round picks to all hit the stage like Conforto. I see no reason why we would need to go on another rebuild. If anything we need to get older. This team will badly need some seasoned vets sprinkled in next year to help guide all these youngsters.

Thats why Cabrera and Reyes are staying. Maybe Moose wil sign as a FA

In comment 13565624 spike said:

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In comment 13565620 ZGiants98 said: Quote: The entire rotation is under 30 and that includes about 9 guys. The entire pen is young outside of maybe Blevins. The lineup tonight has 6 guys in it that are well under 30 and all home grown outside of Cespedes (soon to be 7 when Cheech replaces Cabrera). The Mets already had their rebuild. It allowed them to acquire chips like Syndergaard and wait on their first-round picks to all hit the stage like Conforto. I see no reason why we would need to go on another rebuild. If anything we need to get older. This team will badly need some seasoned vets sprinkled in next year to help guide all these youngsters. Thats why Cabrera and Reyes are staying. Maybe Moose wil sign as a FA

I'd bring back Reyes for no more than a million bucks for the bench.

Cabrera would already be gone if he wasn't such an abomination. -0.9 fWAR makes him arguably the worst player in all of baseball. Sandy cant unload him. Nobody wants him and they certainly dont want to pay to buy out his option. I think Cabrera is gone next year one way or the other. Sandy will buy it out if he has to but he's likely praying somebody will want him before the months out first.

I don't think I'd call Familia a "top 5 closer" right now - I'm not even sure he was that before he got hurt. Now he's got to re-establish himself.

IMO, and a third reliable starter, which is why i would spend for Lynn in the off-season. I would also try to sign another bullpen arm and then let the remaining slots compete, hoping a few of the bazzillion rhrp prospects turns into something.

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I don't think I'd call Familia a "top 5 closer" right now - I'm not even sure he was that before he got hurt. Now he's got to re-establish himself.

He was in 2015/2016 statistically. Of course he has to prove himself again but I don't really see how a blood clot is going to derail him. Guess we'll find out soon.

And No way are they picking up Cabreras option.

So that is about 21.5 million more. But I think Dans point still stands: Mets are likely not going to be big players in free agency.

In regard to Moose, Sandy is a big fan of lefty power hitters but I just don't see them spending what it will take

off-season doesn't make sense for the Mets to be big players in free agency IMO. They're kind of stuck with the injury prone players for another year.

the 2018 off-season makes more sense, if certain players hit free agency.

Flores HR, is Shecky watching?


Montero back to back good outings.

Entire team home grown tonight except Cespedes and Cabrera. and Cabrera should be traded or on the bench for Cecchini.

was there some discussion or connection between the two

In comment 13565762 CMicks3110 said:

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was there some discussion or connection between the two

I think he is/was just a huge fan of Plawecki, but the way he used to write about him you'd think they were related or Shecky was the scout who "discovered" him.

hoping for a win. Plus, they are the same person. Ironically, he's also a Giants fan haha.

In comment 13565714 pjcas18 said:

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off-season doesn't make sense for the Mets to be big players in free agency IMO. They're kind of stuck with the injury prone players for another year. the 2018 off-season makes more sense, if certain players hit free agency.

Frankly I think you're generally better off waiting till January and hunt for some bargains. Usually some good players have ended up without a landing spot.

In comment 13565774 Jim in Fairfax said:

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In comment 13565714 pjcas18 said: Quote: off-season doesn't make sense for the Mets to be big players in free agency IMO. They're kind of stuck with the injury prone players for another year. the 2018 off-season makes more sense, if certain players hit free agency. Frankly I think you're generally better off waiting till January and hunt for some bargains. Usually some good players have ended up without a landing spot.

For 2017 off-season 2018 season or just in general. 2017 off-season for 2018 season I agree, bargain hunting, short-term deals should be the only consideration. shore up the BP, maybe get a CF or 3B on a one-year deal and roll the dice again.

But I'd like to see the Mets make a push for Machado after next season.

Such a good fit, missing piece at 3B, and could become a FA.

Otherwise if you trust your talent evaluators then sure bargains can be had in January.

goes yard.

Smith 7 straight k's today. Wild considering the k's were oddly "poor" coming into today (6.1 innings 3 k's since joining the Mets)