Mets should sign Lance Lynn and Mike Moustakas and pray that Harvey has a good last month of the season so we can package him with maybe T.J. Rivera or Flores for Jackie Bradley Jr.
C-d'Arnaud/Plawecki
1B-Smith
2B-Cabrera/Reyes
SS-Rosario
3B-Moustakas
LF-Cespedes
CF-Bradley Jr.
RF-Conforto
Mets should sign Lance Lynn and Mike Moustakas and pray that Harvey has a good last month of the season so we can package him with maybe T.J. Rivera or Flores for Jackie Bradley Jr.
C-d'Arnaud/Plawecki
1B-Smith
2B-Cabrera/Reyes
SS-Rosario
3B-Moustakas
LF-Cespedes
CF-Bradley Jr.
RF-Conforto
The Mets need to rebuild most of their bullpen plus add another veteran SP for depth. A guy like RA Dickey would be ideal but the Braves are likely to pick up his option. The NL East should also be much tougher next season as the Phillies can't get worse, the Marlins have new owners who will actually look to spend some money to improve, and the Braves will see the arrival of several of their top prospects including CF Ronald Acua, SP Mike Soroka, SP Luiz Gohara, SP Kolby Allard, SP Max Fried, RP AJ Minter, and possibly SP Touki Toussaint, and SP Kyle Wright.
I really dont think the Mets need a "depth guy". Matz, Harvey, Wheeler, Gsellman, Montero, Flexen, Lugo... How many more "depth guys" do we need?
I maintain that if we lose deGrom or Syndergaard again we are going to be in trouble. I only see the rotation really upgraded if you can somehow add a TOR starter to hedge against a disaster happening again. Guys like Lynn/Cobb make me nervous also. Both guys coming off major injuries not having the best years. They just sound like more of the same and I think Lynn is going to cost a lot.
At this point, I'd probably just stand pat on the rotation.
Adding one big reliever would make our pen dominant on paper.
Famila
McGee
Ramos
Blevins
Sewald
Harvey, Wheeler, Matz, Lugo, Gsellman, Montero, Flexen (Yes some of these guys will end up in the pen) PLUS all the guys we just added like Callahan and Drew Smith...
I really dont think the Mets need a "depth guy". Matz, Harvey, Wheeler, Gsellman, Montero, Flexen, Lugo... How many more "depth guys" do we need?
I just don't understand why you would want to go into next year in the same position as you did this season. Matz has struggled and once again been injury plagued. The same with Harvey and Wheeler. Gsellman took a huge step back this season. Lugo is injured and he wasn't pitching well for the Mets not to mention his limited upside. Montero has been one of the few bright spots but is he a sure thing? What happens if he returns to being the pitcher that he was prior to this recent string of success? Flexen has some potential but he has back of the rotation potential and he obviously isn't ready for the majors. Degrom and Thor are the only sure things and if one of them goes down the Mets would be finished.
Yes deGrom and Syndergaard are the only sure thing
For one, Montero and Flexen weren't factors heading into 2017 so you've added two more options than you had before. Gsellman literally just had his 24th birthday and was a rookie this year. He also doesn't have an arm injury issues. He had a rough start but Im not convinced he couldn't at least be considered backend depth. Matz is going through a horrid stretch but his "stuff" is there. We've also seen much longer dominant good stretches from him. We'll see how that shakes out. Harvey and Wheeler shouldn't be counted on anything but the reality is they do likely factor in somewhere.
You have 9 starters all with varying degrees of talent. Yes some have a lot of injury issues but they still likely offer as much upside as some of the backend options people are suggesting on the market.
Also for the record, Im not opposed to improving the rotation. I just think a TOR does a lot more than a backend guy.
advocating such a move but Lackey wouldn't stun me as a target, Sabathia, Liriano (dominant vs. lefties still so conceivably you could bring him in to challenge for a spot and then use him out of the BP). I kinda like Estrada if we are going to dumpster dive.
Especially if we weren't going to go after a McGee.
Liriano maybe you sell him on a chance to compete for the rotation and then stick him in the BP.
Yup and that's the kind of "depth move" I could get on board with. If I see value that he could do well in the pen and still add rotation "depth" at the same time, it could be worth it.
claims he never eats any fried food anymore so either he's heavy into sweets or portion control is the issue.
Or maybe he's just a heavyset guy. Not everyone's got the same metabolism. It's possible that it's just tougher for him to keep weight off without working very hard at it. I understand the criticism because you don't see pro athletes struggle with weight a lot. At least in baseball (more common with pitchers, of course).
claims he never eats any fried food anymore so either he's heavy into sweets or portion control is the issue.
Or maybe he's just a heavyset guy. Not everyone's got the same metabolism. It's possible that it's just tougher for him to keep weight off without working very hard at it. I understand the criticism because you don't see pro athletes struggle with weight a lot. At least in baseball (more common with pitchers, of course).
He lost 24 pounds in the off-season but packed most of it back on in-season. He was never heavy before going pro. He's acknowledged a poor diet in the past (loving Mexican food) and having his mom and sister move in with him to cook for him when he was in St. Lucie to improve how he ate so I think this is all about eating habits. You just don't see 6'0 245 pound players very often (I've heard he's more like 5'10-5'11) not that it matters.
claims he never eats any fried food anymore so either he's heavy into sweets or portion control is the issue.
BS. He will go stretches when he's losing and minimize fried. But that's a bunch of bullshit lol
He made it sound like the Mets aren't the ones pushing him to get into shape, that it's for him (that's fine of him to say) but you know the Mets have spoken to him as well. I suspect he comes into camp next year looking much better, lets hope he can stick with it.
don't mind all these bullpen arms, yes I'd hoped for more, but whatever, I don't mind these high velocity lottery ticket guys even if winning the lottery means you get a 7th/8th inning guy. I'd be a hypocrite for railing against the bullpen construction and then criticize getting 5 or 6 flame throwers (or at least a few) with visibility to the majors. I just had loftier expectations for fixing the pen and loftier expectations for return on guys like Duda, Reed, and Bruce at least.
I do mind Merandy Gonzanez for AJ Ramos and his likely at least $8M price tag in 2018 that will probably prevent the Mets from signing a different (better) reliever and with all the injuries in the minors Merandy was probably the best healthiest pitcher left.
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I will always look at the entire deadline as a whole. If 2-3 of these guys hit out of 6 I will consider it a very successful deadline, especially with how expensive relievers have gotten.
I'll never get caught up in the one for one value of particular players. The plan was clearly to acquire a bunch of upside guys and see if a couple stick.
Only Cespedes and TDA not originally drafted or signed by the Mets.
Which of course is meaningless if you're in last place, but good if these guys create some energy, excitement, and momentum (while still losing) heading into 2018.
3 1st round picks in the lineup with Conforto, Smith, and Cecchini), would have been 4 if come on if Nimmo got the start over Lagares.
goes off this year. If he could have waited one more year I think he might have been unloaded for cheap (ish).
Now Jeter and co, have a dilemma on their hands, I think his contract is ridiculous, unless of course he does the team a favor and opts out, but how can you ever get fair value back for a guy like Stanton?
Lol
He will hit 30 someday.
Preferably 2nd base.
Plawecki thanked you in the postgame.
happy for RM
He's gonna be the 4. Colon will get the 3 spot.
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He's gonna be the 4. Colon will get the 3 spot.
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Mets should sign Lance Lynn and Mike Moustakas and pray that Harvey has a good last month of the season so we can package him with maybe T.J. Rivera or Flores for Jackie Bradley Jr.
C-d'Arnaud/Plawecki
1B-Smith
2B-Cabrera/Reyes
SS-Rosario
3B-Moustakas
LF-Cespedes
CF-Bradley Jr.
RF-Conforto
SP-Syndergaar
SP-DeGrom
SP-Lynn
SP4-Montero/Lugo/Gsellman/Flexen/Matz
SP5-Montero/Lugo/Gsellman/Flexen/Matz
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Nice work!
Mets should sign Lance Lynn and Mike Moustakas and pray that Harvey has a good last month of the season so we can package him with maybe T.J. Rivera or Flores for Jackie Bradley Jr.
C-d'Arnaud/Plawecki
1B-Smith
2B-Cabrera/Reyes
SS-Rosario
3B-Moustakas
LF-Cespedes
CF-Bradley Jr.
RF-Conforto
SP-Syndergaar
SP-DeGrom
SP-Lynn
SP4-Montero/Lugo/Gsellman/Flexen/Matz
SP5-Montero/Lugo/Gsellman/Flexen/Matz
RP-Familia
The Mets need to rebuild most of their bullpen plus add another veteran SP for depth. A guy like RA Dickey would be ideal but the Braves are likely to pick up his option. The NL East should also be much tougher next season as the Phillies can't get worse, the Marlins have new owners who will actually look to spend some money to improve, and the Braves will see the arrival of several of their top prospects including CF Ronald Acua, SP Mike Soroka, SP Luiz Gohara, SP Kolby Allard, SP Max Fried, RP AJ Minter, and possibly SP Touki Toussaint, and SP Kyle Wright.
I maintain that if we lose deGrom or Syndergaard again we are going to be in trouble. I only see the rotation really upgraded if you can somehow add a TOR starter to hedge against a disaster happening again. Guys like Lynn/Cobb make me nervous also. Both guys coming off major injuries not having the best years. They just sound like more of the same and I think Lynn is going to cost a lot.
At this point, I'd probably just stand pat on the rotation.
Adding one big reliever would make our pen dominant on paper.
Famila
McGee
Ramos
Blevins
Sewald
Harvey, Wheeler, Matz, Lugo, Gsellman, Montero, Flexen (Yes some of these guys will end up in the pen) PLUS all the guys we just added like Callahan and Drew Smith...
I just don't understand why you would want to go into next year in the same position as you did this season. Matz has struggled and once again been injury plagued. The same with Harvey and Wheeler. Gsellman took a huge step back this season. Lugo is injured and he wasn't pitching well for the Mets not to mention his limited upside. Montero has been one of the few bright spots but is he a sure thing? What happens if he returns to being the pitcher that he was prior to this recent string of success? Flexen has some potential but he has back of the rotation potential and he obviously isn't ready for the majors. Degrom and Thor are the only sure things and if one of them goes down the Mets would be finished.
For one, Montero and Flexen weren't factors heading into 2017 so you've added two more options than you had before. Gsellman literally just had his 24th birthday and was a rookie this year. He also doesn't have an arm injury issues. He had a rough start but Im not convinced he couldn't at least be considered backend depth. Matz is going through a horrid stretch but his "stuff" is there. We've also seen much longer dominant good stretches from him. We'll see how that shakes out. Harvey and Wheeler shouldn't be counted on anything but the reality is they do likely factor in somewhere.
You have 9 starters all with varying degrees of talent. Yes some have a lot of injury issues but they still likely offer as much upside as some of the backend options people are suggesting on the market.
Also for the record, Im not opposed to improving the rotation. I just think a TOR does a lot more than a backend guy.
I just feel like as soon as we sign these guys everyone will be saying... Cant count on any of these injury prone players! Crucify Sandy!
2.2 IP, 0 H, 0 R, 7 K: 0 BB, 8 batters faced
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2.2 IP, 0 H, 0 R, 7 K: 0 BB, 8 batters faced
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Huge performance given his surprisingly crappy k rate for his velocity
I'm assuming that it must be much easier to regulate your weight in the majors than it is in the minors.
Liriano maybe you sell him on a chance to compete for the rotation and then stick him in the BP.
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Especially if we weren't going to go after a McGee.
Liriano maybe you sell him on a chance to compete for the rotation and then stick him in the BP.
Yup and that's the kind of "depth move" I could get on board with. If I see value that he could do well in the pen and still add rotation "depth" at the same time, it could be worth it.
Or maybe he's just a heavyset guy. Not everyone's got the same metabolism. It's possible that it's just tougher for him to keep weight off without working very hard at it. I understand the criticism because you don't see pro athletes struggle with weight a lot. At least in baseball (more common with pitchers, of course).
BS. He will go stretches when he's losing and minimize fried. But that's a bunch of bullshit lol
Liriano is pitching in the pen now with HOU and not sure he's dominating.
but he's the kind of player the Mets are likely or should be likely to gamble on.
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claims he never eats any fried food anymore so either he's heavy into sweets or portion control is the issue.
Or maybe he's just a heavyset guy. Not everyone's got the same metabolism. It's possible that it's just tougher for him to keep weight off without working very hard at it. I understand the criticism because you don't see pro athletes struggle with weight a lot. At least in baseball (more common with pitchers, of course).
He lost 24 pounds in the off-season but packed most of it back on in-season. He was never heavy before going pro. He's acknowledged a poor diet in the past (loving Mexican food) and having his mom and sister move in with him to cook for him when he was in St. Lucie to improve how he ate so I think this is all about eating habits. You just don't see 6'0 245 pound players very often (I've heard he's more like 5'10-5'11) not that it matters.
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claims he never eats any fried food anymore so either he's heavy into sweets or portion control is the issue.
BS. He will go stretches when he's losing and minimize fried. But that's a bunch of bullshit lol
He made it sound like the Mets aren't the ones pushing him to get into shape, that it's for him (that's fine of him to say) but you know the Mets have spoken to him as well. I suspect he comes into camp next year looking much better, lets hope he can stick with it.
Another throwaway or is there anything interesting about him?
I do mind Merandy Gonzanez for AJ Ramos and his likely at least $8M price tag in 2018 that will probably prevent the Mets from signing a different (better) reliever and with all the injuries in the minors Merandy was probably the best healthiest pitcher left.
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I'll never get caught up in the one for one value of particular players. The plan was clearly to acquire a bunch of upside guys and see if a couple stick.
Bowman isn't great but he is ok in the back of the pen. So by saying adios to vets clears a bunch of spots
Bowman isn't great but he is ok in the back of the pen. So by saying adios to vets clears a bunch of spots
Several of the bullpen prospects that they acquired for the veterans need to be added to the 40 man to avoid losing them in the upcoming rule 5 draft.
Only Cespedes and TDA not originally drafted or signed by the Mets.
Which of course is meaningless if you're in last place, but good if these guys create some energy, excitement, and momentum (while still losing) heading into 2018.
3 1st round picks in the lineup with Conforto, Smith, and Cecchini), would have been 4 if come on if Nimmo got the start over Lagares.
Now Jeter and co, have a dilemma on their hands, I think his contract is ridiculous, unless of course he does the team a favor and opts out, but how can you ever get fair value back for a guy like Stanton?