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section125 : 8/20/2017 9:02 am
With apologies to superspynyg, I thought I'd start the Yankees thread today.

Great win last night, I feel asleep watching Band of Brothers for the 45th time and woke up the bases loaded in the 8th. Wheesh. By the time I got mlb.tv to boot up, Robertson got the K.

Good god does Sanchez have an arm. Nailing Holt after the WP was basically end of the game. Funny I read it was only 86 mph. Think it was mentioned in RAB. I think Coney thought 95+. Whatever - dead nuts perfect placement - knee high just in front of the baseline to Didi. Holt basically slide into the tag. Surprised Farrell didn't at least try a review.

What to do with Tyler Austin?

If Bird comes back he is the starting 1B. Do you think Joe goes Austin vs lefties and Bird vs righties?
Same platoon with Headley and Frazier? I don't think they have enough room. Wade goes back after Castro is done with rehab.

OF:
Judge
Gardner
Hicks
Ells
(4)

IF:
Headley
Frazier
Didi
Torreyes
Castro
Austin
Bird
(7)

Catcher:
Sanchez
Romine
(2)

SP:
Tanaka
Severino
Gray
CC
Garcia
(5)

RP:
Warren
Kahnle
Green
Betances
Robertson
Chapman
Shreve
Mitchell
(8)

Total 26?? Who goes?

**- Holliday odd man out ?

CC on extra rest is better, despite his protests.

I like rotating Betances, Robbie and maybe Chapman. I think Chapman's problem is 80% mental 20% mechanical. Think he is not used to people making solid contact with 100+, but because the average Joe pitcher hits 98+, that heat is not so outlandish. He will have to elevate the heater more and get better command of his slider/BB. It may not be this season. Something he will need to work on over winter (maybe get a change up too).

Sanchez still needs to work on blocking balls in the dirt. He improved dramatically after he was "benched" after working with Pena. Just needs a touch more refinement. He looks quicker and more solid, but Coney said he needs to anticipate a little more on sliders that the ball will be in the dirt. Perhaps set up more to the break side???IDK

Disagree with Joe on Judge Batting 3rd at this time. He is a black hole and costing runs each game. Move him to 5 or 6 until he starts hitting.
Gardner(Ells)
Hicks
Didi
Sanchez
Judge
Headley
Austin
Frazier
Torreyes

When Castro is back:
Gardner(Ells)
Hicks
Didi
Sanchez
Judge
Bird/Castro
Castro/Bird
Frazier/Headley
Austin/(One of Headley/Frazier/Bird)

Anyway some random thoughts.


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RE: RE: RE: I think either Austin gets sent down  
BigBlueShock : 8/20/2017 11:38 am : link
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which is not likely given his hot bat or Frazier gets released when Bird is back.


They are not releasing Todd Frazier. Come on now. They would send Austin down until September 1

Why come on now? Frazier sucks and is not in their future plans. If Bird is healthy and playing well, Headly can move back to 3B or Torreyes can with Castro back at 2B. Headley and Austin can then both backup 1B (or platoon) and 3B is covered.

Well first of all, the Yankees obviously don't think Frazier sucks half as much as you do. And secondly, again, rosters expand in a couple of weeks. You honestly think they are going to release their starting 3rd baseman when they don't have to? There is no numbers crunch here. Besides that, yesterday there was an entire thread dedicated to shitting all over Austin after he was called up. Now, after one good game, he's good enough to release the starting 3rd baseman? Jeezus
Austin  
PaulN : 8/20/2017 11:50 am : link
Goes down until 9/1, simple. This will be the last season the yanks keep a DH, they need to carry Ellsbury, he will essentially be the 5th outfielder, next season Frazier will be in left with Gardner, unless they trade Gardy, then no need for the DH, besides, it makes it much easier to rest the players in the DH hole at times, plus they will save the DH salary. Todd Frazier just hit homers in back to back games against the Red Sox, he is a great defensive player, he is going nowhere, if he gets hot he will make a lot of you feel foolish you ever thought it, and he is due, just like Sanchez was due.
Frazier is a better 3rd baseman than  
section125 : 8/20/2017 12:02 pm : link
Headley and he is starting to hit some - 2 hrs in two games against the Sox. Big power in the 8th spot is nice. It would be real nice to have rotational 1st and 3rd baseman vs lefties and righties, but a luxury on a 25 man roster.

Yes most of us realize that Sept 1st is looming and frankly that will aid the Yankees immensely having Clint Frazier, Austin, and Holliday as pinch bats and will also allow Judge to get a break more often.

Castro cannot be brought back too quickly this time. Cannot let that hammy go south again. Torreyes has been great filling in and is not a hole in the batting lineup, but Castro is legitimate power.
Katie Sharp via twitter  
adamg : 8/20/2017 2:36 pm : link
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Katie Sharp
Katie Sharp @ktsharp
Lowest ERA in AL Since June 25
(min. 35 IP):
Sonny Gray 1.88
Marcus Stroman 2.02
Corey Kluber 2.11
1:52 PM · Aug 20, 2017
Judge missing on 2 perfect pitches  
Neckbone1333 : 8/20/2017 2:41 pm : link
Man... he needs to be dropped to 5th
Hate to say it  
blueblood'11 : 8/20/2017 2:44 pm : link
Judge has gone from all world to all nothing. Kevin Maas in the making.
Judge is still missing  
section125 : 8/20/2017 2:45 pm : link
very hittable pitches. Just missed in the first on the ball to straight away center and next time through missed two. Him missing a 93 mph pitch belt high is nuts.

Getting frustrating now.
RE: Hate to say it  
Kyle in NY : 8/20/2017 2:46 pm : link
In comment 13566130 blueblood'11 said:
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Judge has gone from all world to all nothing. Kevin Maas in the making.


Stop it. People clamor for the team to go with young players and then have no patience when they inevitably struggle
The..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/20/2017 2:48 pm : link
TBS announcers suck ass. Frazier doesn't catch a ball at the railing of the dugout and the one guy says, "That's in fair territory"??

WTF?
Sonny Gray will be lucky to get through five at this rate.  
bceagle05 : 8/20/2017 3:00 pm : link
Let's get some runs!
Well  
blueblood'11 : 8/20/2017 3:02 pm : link
everyone cools off but this is ridiculous. It's gotten to the point where when he's up at the plate you expect nothing and that's what you get. Tell you this, if he flames out the rest of the year he may have to earn his spot again in spring training next year.

I hope that's not the case and he gets hot again or at at least half as hot because the kid is a terrific athlete and I love him but more then one person has started to wonder If he is the next Kevin Maas. I certainly hope not but it sure doesn't look good right now.
RE: RE: RE: RE: I think either Austin gets sent down  
Jimmy Googs : 8/20/2017 3:05 pm : link
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which is not likely given his hot bat or Frazier gets released when Bird is back.


They are not releasing Todd Frazier. Come on now. They would send Austin down until September 1

Why come on now? Frazier sucks and is not in their future plans. If Bird is healthy and playing well, Headly can move back to 3B or Torreyes can with Castro back at 2B. Headley and Austin can then both backup 1B (or platoon) and 3B is covered.


Well first of all, the Yankees obviously don't think Frazier sucks half as much as you do. And secondly, again, rosters expand in a couple of weeks. You honestly think they are going to release their starting 3rd baseman when they don't have to? There is no numbers crunch here. Besides that, yesterday there was an entire thread dedicated to shitting all over Austin after he was called up. Now, after one good game, he's good enough to release the starting 3rd baseman? Jeezus


Jeezuz...rude
RE: RE: RE: People are overthinking this  
Mike from SI : 8/20/2017 3:08 pm : link
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Remember that the rosters expand on September 1, so the Yanks could carry 40 guys on September 1 if they want.

Castro and Bird should both be in NY no later than the end of the way- probably sooner than that.

However, Holliday is still down rehabing in High A Tampa, which is usually an indicator that the team intends to bring him back more slowly. It might not be 11 days more slowly, but if the rehab stint lasts to next week, expect the activation to be delayed to next Friday (September 1).

Don't overthink things- sometimes the calendar allows you to do things without any other actions on your part.

Nobody is overthinking. It is more with an eye on a 25 man post season roster.



If that is the case, then people are overthinking it even more than I thought.

Teams DO NOT carry 5 man post-season rotations. Max 4 guys, maybe 3 depending how the schedule falls out.

The Yanks likely SP:
Severino
Gray
Tanaka
(if needed) CC

Remember that other SP then get bumped to the pen, but because you essentially get a free "long man" from the SP, that requires one less spot in the pen. Likely to carry a pen of:

Chapman
Betances
DRob
Kahnle
Warren
Garcia
Green

Starters, assuming everyone comes in healthy (this isn't a batting order, it is just the regulars starting with C and going through RF, then DH)

Sanchez
Bird
Castro
Didi
Frazier
Gardner
Hicks
Judge
Headley (DH)

The likeliest bench:

Holliday
Romine
Austin
Torreyes

That's 24- the final spot would likely depend on the opponent. Notice there is no Montgomery on the list above. He will be the most likely dropped to carry Garcia and CC into the post-season, not due to performance, but because his innings cap is rapidly approaching.

Assuming the Yanks are the Wild Card, and win the Wild Card game, they would go play Houston. That probably requires an extra bullpen arm. Likely a guy like Shreve.

If the Yanks win the division, the likely opponent would be Cleveland. In that case, since their pen is a strength, you might want an extra position player to PH/PR late in the game. Maybe Ellsbury.


Whether you like it or not, Ellsbury is gonna be on the postseason roster unless he gets injured.
RE: RE: Hate to say it  
section125 : 8/20/2017 3:10 pm : link
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Judge has gone from all world to all nothing. Kevin Maas in the making.



Stop it. People clamor for the team to go with young players and then have no patience when they inevitably struggle


True, to a point. But the team is not allowing for him to adjust/get better by moving him down in the order. In the meantime, it is hurting the team. And it is hurting him by putting pressure on him each time he is up with RISP.
I think Austin only hits lefties  
xman : 8/20/2017 3:19 pm : link
so why put him in the lineup today
Why are they having such trouble  
B in ALB : 8/20/2017 3:22 pm : link
Hitting against this low rent ham n egg trash can porcello? Fucking infuriating.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: I think either Austin gets sent down  
BigBlueShock : 8/20/2017 3:23 pm : link
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which is not likely given his hot bat or Frazier gets released when Bird is back.


They are not releasing Todd Frazier. Come on now. They would send Austin down until September 1

Why come on now? Frazier sucks and is not in their future plans. If Bird is healthy and playing well, Headly can move back to 3B or Torreyes can with Castro back at 2B. Headley and Austin can then both backup 1B (or platoon) and 3B is covered.


Well first of all, the Yankees obviously don't think Frazier sucks half as much as you do. And secondly, again, rosters expand in a couple of weeks. You honestly think they are going to release their starting 3rd baseman when they don't have to? There is no numbers crunch here. Besides that, yesterday there was an entire thread dedicated to shitting all over Austin after he was called up. Now, after one good game, he's good enough to release the starting 3rd baseman? Jeezus



Jeezuz...rude

Now you're stalking me? Lololololol. I love that I've made you my little bitch. Coming to a Yankee thread? Haha, you have no idea how embarrassed I am for you. Absolutely pathetic display. Cringe worthy. Kudos! Now come shine my shoes.
Walking fat ass Leon  
B in ALB : 8/20/2017 3:24 pm : link
Great.
Sonny Gray  
blueblood'11 : 8/20/2017 3:25 pm : link
Watching him pitch I can't imagine him ever throwing anything close to a complete game. For every strike he throws he throws one or two balls trying to get the hitter to swing at something off the plate. He throws a lot of pitches. I understand what he's trying to do but he's too picky for my tastes. Geez.
RE: Why are they having such trouble  
RasputinPrime : 8/20/2017 3:30 pm : link
In comment 13566167 B in ALB said:
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Hitting against this low rent ham n egg trash can porcello? Fucking infuriating.


...who also won a cy young.
So what?  
B in ALB : 8/20/2017 3:32 pm : link
He sports over a 4 era and is like 7-14 THIS year. He sucks.
Well  
blueblood'11 : 8/20/2017 3:35 pm : link
He hit a homerun but it was straight up in the air. Boy oh boy. Tell me he is not a total fucking mess.
RE: RE: Why are they having such trouble  
section125 : 8/20/2017 3:36 pm : link
In comment 13566175 RasputinPrime said:
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Hitting against this low rent ham n egg trash can porcello? Fucking infuriating.



...who also won a cy young.


Because they rarely do well against offspeed/junk ball pitchers.

Why is anyone surprised?
If you don't think porcello is completely hittable today  
B in ALB : 8/20/2017 3:40 pm : link
I just don't know what to say.

Judge looks complete lost against him though.
Wind  
GruningsOnTheHill : 8/20/2017 3:50 pm : link
I guess the wind must be a big factor, because the outfielders look like they're on roller skates out there.
Judge has to lead the league  
BigBlueShock : 8/20/2017 3:51 pm : link
In fastballs in the zone that are fouled straight back. He's has so many incredibly hittable pitches during this slump and he's constantly fouling them straight back. He's just under everything.
RE: If you don't think porcello is completely hittable today  
section125 : 8/20/2017 3:51 pm : link
In comment 13566182 B in ALB said:
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I just don't know what to say.

Judge looks complete lost against him though.


We know these type guys and Porcello today look like they should be crushing it. Hicks keeps swinging like it is a FB and swinging over the change or slider - WTF. Think he might have figured it out by now.

Judge is just freaking lost.
Why doesn't he go to Chapman  
Kyle in NY : 8/20/2017 4:12 pm : link
for Bradley, if he's willing to bring him in for Holt after the damage is done?
Been saying it all weekend anfd it hasnt changed  
Stu11 : 8/20/2017 4:15 pm : link
The difference between us and the Sox is they hit in the clutch and we don't. Its that simple.
Cannot I believe they could not touch  
Jints in Carolina : 8/20/2017 4:21 pm : link
That fucking tomato can. And Judge is just about an automatic out now.
What the hell are those pictures in the Sox bullpen?  
MetsAreBack : 8/20/2017 4:22 pm : link
Vikings? It's not GOT.

Is it another attempt to pretend they are blue collar and lovable?

And the difference between the sox and yanks stu is the sox have a little more experience .... and Chris sale and rick porcello. Also Kimbrel has been a more consistent reliever than chapman or betances (he will blow this now that I said that)
Did the Sox hit in the clutch last night?  
Kyle in NY : 8/20/2017 4:26 pm : link
This clutch hitting thing is such a myth. It comes and goes. Right now it's a bad stretch but it tends to even out.

There's very little difference in the Sox and Yankees this season. Nearly identical run differentials (Yankees is actually a bit better). Sox have been better closing out games in the 9th, as mentioned, which plays a big role.

It is frustrating to see them go so quietly so far today. Like it's a Sunday in April.
Watching Sanchez and Chapman  
Jints in Carolina : 8/20/2017 4:31 pm : link
Is sometimes excruciating.
Chapman and Sanchez refuse  
section125 : 8/20/2017 4:33 pm : link
to throw the high heat.
Finally a high  
section125 : 8/20/2017 4:40 pm : link
fastball and Devers has no chance...
Looks like the offense hung Gray out to dry  
NYerInMA : 8/20/2017 4:48 pm : link
again...
What a shitty performance.  
bceagle05 : 8/20/2017 4:49 pm : link
Quietly handing the division to Boston today.
And the strikeout streak continues.  
Photoguy : 8/20/2017 4:51 pm : link
Was hoping he'd do anything but K, but ......

He needs to get this monkey off his back.
F'in Moreland has  
section125 : 8/20/2017 4:57 pm : link
done more damage than most.

Kahnle again refusing to use his FB...
Whelp this game is over.  
B in ALB : 8/20/2017 4:58 pm : link
Getting smoked by guys like Moreland and Leon. Pathetic.
I'm gonna go sit on my porch  
B in ALB : 8/20/2017 5:07 pm : link
Have a couple beers and enjoy the rest of my afternoon. What a shit show from this offense today.
Smith with a nice job once  
section125 : 8/20/2017 5:13 pm : link
he got comfortable.

Kahnle and Chapman are messed up.
RE: I'm gonna go sit on my porch  
section125 : 8/20/2017 5:14 pm : link
In comment 13566223 B in ALB said:
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Have a couple beers and enjoy the rest of my afternoon. What a shit show from this offense today.


What's the temp up there?
Who is talking about situational hitting  
RetroJint : 8/20/2017 5:25 pm : link
when you get 3 hits total? Also Kimbrel is elevating his fastball, which means it is hopping, because he is healthy . And Chapman is not . Another no show by the New York White Sox and Gray broke first again. Not an ace-like performance . A big part of this game remains getting on the board first . Gray broke early . It's time to root for first wild card .
Another  
nygnyy274 : 8/20/2017 5:38 pm : link
Game judge has a strikeout
RE: I'm gonna go sit on my porch  
nygnyy274 : 8/20/2017 5:39 pm : link
In comment 13566223 B in ALB said:
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Have a couple beers and enjoy the rest of my afternoon. What a shit show from this offense today.



The offense has been comeplete garbage for over two months now .
RE: RE: I'm gonna go sit on my porch  
B in ALB : 8/20/2017 6:14 pm : link
In comment 13566228 section125 said:
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Have a couple beers and enjoy the rest of my afternoon. What a shit show from this offense today.



What's the temp up there?


High 70s. It's beautiful today. Like picture perfect.
RE: I think Austin only hits lefties  
chopperhatch : 8/20/2017 6:49 pm : link
In comment 13566166 xman said:
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so why put him in the lineup today


They put up the graphic...Austin was hitting something like .538 against the Sawks.

As far as Ellsbury making the postseason roster, I think he is a slam dunk to makr it and anybody who says it should have been otherwise is just wring. Still a very good CF, Excellent base running ability, not a horrendous PH option. Postseason experience.

Look, we're spenfing the money anyways, I would rather have him off the bench than most of the other options.
I'm not sure if this comes from Cashman  
arniefez : 8/20/2017 8:02 pm : link
or it's a Rothschild thing. But here's why the Yankees keep throwing change ups.

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I asked New York's pitching guru, coach Larry Rothschild, to explain this new world of pitching.

“Fastballs get hit,” Rothschild said. “It’s amazing to me to see guys throwing in the upper 90s and they get hit. I don’t know how these guys do it. That’s how good major league hitters are. They have adjusted to velocity. To hit upper 90s, you have to gear up for upper 90s. So hitters are going up there to gear up for velocity. And when they do that, they can hit it no matter how hard you throw.

“The other thing is fastball command. If you don’t have great command with your fastball, these hitters are so good they’re going to hit it. Not every pitcher has great fastball command.”

The Yankees are leading a change in baseball by abandoning a principle of pitching - ( New Window )
Austin hits lefties  
xman : 8/20/2017 10:55 pm : link
his 538 is a small sample size like 8 for 15. How many of those hits were vs lefties I can't say but Joes hunch didn't pay dividends today. Wrong guy for the game. Should have gone with Els
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