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gidiefor : Mod : 8/21/2017 11:16 am
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LET'S GO!!!!!  
Beezer : 8/21/2017 12:48 pm : link
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Hope the run game is good enough  
CT Charlie : 8/21/2017 12:52 pm : link
to allow credible play-action for some longer shots downfield.
RE: I just hope Webb gets more time than Josh Johnson  
annexOPR : 8/21/2017 12:55 pm : link
In comment 13566687 robbieballs2003 said:
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It's a joke he's still on the roster ... give Eli a quarter - geno a quarter , Webb the 2nd half
RE: I'm probably in the minority here,  
Brown Recluse : 8/21/2017 12:59 pm : link
In comment 13566724 GiantFilthy said:
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but is anyone else hoping we lose the majority of our starters to injury?


Definitely. As well as the head coach and head coordinators.
like to see one or two good series where the OL looks decent  
AnnapolisMike : 8/21/2017 1:30 pm : link
Then sit every starter on offense.

NO INJURIES....
3 things for me.  
Rory : 8/21/2017 1:31 pm : link
Seeing the starting offense together for the first time.

Aldrick Ross kickoffs

More Darian Thompson
Is..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/21/2017 1:33 pm : link
Aldrick Ross the new returner?
No Eli tonight???? Or not starting?  
GiantBlue : 8/21/2017 1:38 pm : link
NYGiantsRush.com @NYGiantsRush 33m .


RT @art_stapleton: @Giants announce Josh Johnson is starting at QB. No Eli Manning, DRC or JPP. Waiting on full list.
My biggest concern is everyone's  
WideRight : 8/21/2017 1:40 pm : link
Eli

I'd to see him look sharp in limited time. I don't want to see 3rd and longs or three and outs against the Browns. I want to see him on the same page with his WRs.

Yes its probably too early to expect all that, but its either this game or the next. Game 4 doesn't count. I dont want to go into opening night with questions about the improvements on offense.
If Eli..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/21/2017 1:40 pm : link
isn 't playing then I would expect this game to decide who stays between Johnson and Smith.
I'd like to see the starting offense move the ball and put the ball  
UberAlias : 8/21/2017 1:40 pm : link
In the end zone. I want to see signs that the running game will be better. Hope to see improvement from the backup young tackles.

On defense it's mostly about depth players.

Always want to see something out of the bubble players.
RE: No Eli tonight???? Or not starting?  
KWhite2250 : 8/21/2017 1:47 pm : link
In comment 13566852 GiantBlue said:
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NYGiantsRush.com @NYGiantsRush 33m .


RT @art_stapleton: @Giants announce Josh Johnson is starting at QB. No Eli Manning, DRC or JPP. Waiting on full list.


That was last weeks tweet before the game against the steelers
Thanks, KWhite!  
GiantBlue : 8/21/2017 1:52 pm : link
I wondered because I heard he was playing at least a couple of series.
Amen  
Bluesbreaker : 8/21/2017 2:25 pm : link
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 11:42 am : link : reply
Are we going to be one dimensional again this year or not? That's what I'm looking out for.

I hope they keep the FB I have very little confidence in our run game . Without it the points per game will not
improve and with this schedule it will be a tall order to
even win the division .
I'd like to see  
PEEJ : 8/21/2017 2:32 pm : link
multiple formations, shifts and movement and some outside rushing. Also, some play action
I'd like to see Flowers bloom  
Alan in Toledo : 8/21/2017 3:08 pm : link
(sorry)
RE: My biggest concern is everyone's  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/21/2017 3:21 pm : link
In comment 13566857 WideRight said:
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Eli

I'd to see him look sharp in limited time. I don't want to see 3rd and longs or three and outs against the Browns. I want to see him on the same page with his WRs.

Yes its probably too early to expect all that, but its either this game or the next. Game 4 doesn't count. I dont want to go into opening night with questions about the improvements on offense.


If they rang up 40 points a game for the next three games, it would still just be preseason. Not many questions get answered right now.
If they rang up 40 points/game for the next 3 games  
Jimmy Googs : 8/21/2017 3:26 pm : link
it would be as rare as a solar-eclipse...
Last year  
Reale01 : 8/21/2017 3:32 pm : link
Offense was bad in pre-season. Most of us expected it to improve, but it never did and was bad most of the year.

I would like to see the offense move this year and get some swag even if it is pre-season.
Answer: Two useless piles of dung  
5BowlsSoon : 8/21/2017 3:52 pm : link
Q: who are Geno and Josh
I want to see  
santacruzom : 8/21/2017 3:54 pm : link
how many tackles Collins racks up during the Browns' first offensive drive. I predict 30.
RE: I want to see  
Fred in Atlanta : 8/21/2017 3:58 pm : link
In comment 13566975 santacruzom said:
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how many tackles Collins racks up during the Browns' first offensive drive. I predict 30.

With Collins playing, he could only pick up 3 since you can only get one tackle per play.
Blocking was atrocious last preseason. Recall that Buffalo game  
Jimmy Googs : 8/21/2017 4:01 pm : link
was about as bad a game a group of O-lineman and Tight Ends could have in recent memory.

The Offense though came out pretty strong for the first 3 regular season games in 2016. They didnt have the ball for that much time vs Dallas but moved it fine when they did. They also had the offense going vs New Orleans and Washington but just kept turning it over.

From there, things started to deteriorate. Both Jennings and Vereen were out with injuries, and defenses were picking on OBJ to take him out of his game. And I think Eli felt he had nobody to rely on b/c Cruz was useless, and he started looking at the rush coming more and more.

Then it really became hit or miss, as McAdoo got conservative to stay in games as he knew the defense started peaking. The O-line was madly inconsistent but simply never developed individually or as a unit.

My view at least...
Josh Johnson  
Bluesbreaker : 8/21/2017 4:22 pm : link
He isn't in the running for anything other than a practice arm My God how many years has this guy been in the NFL and
come out and play that poorly it's not like anyone is chomping at the bit to pick this guy up .
It's a total waste to even put him in the game IMO .
This 1st half should show a great deal in terms of if this
O-line has improved . Browns got some guys that should test
them . I wish Danny Shelton was playing and it will be interesting to see Myles Garrett play and how Flowers does
against him even though he is just a rookie .
It may not mean  
BigBlueWhale : 8/21/2017 4:30 pm : link
anything either way, but after 3 years I'd like to see ANY f#cking sign (sorry for the language) that this offense is effective. Play well in a meaningless game. I don't care. I just want a sign we can be productive.
I would like to see them  
Carson53 : 8/21/2017 4:35 pm : link
show some offense with the first team out there, see if folks are on the same page. Would be nice to run the ball a bit.
I would like this team to find a KR and punt returner,
don't want to see another year of the beat up Harris.
He is already it seems spending more time not practicing,
than practicing in training camp and preseason.
One can say, they are 'saving' him for the season...
I maintain, he is a guy who has a beat up body
from many years of playing special teams, even well before
he arrived here. You saw his lack of speed last season,
and quickness. Maybe he can prove me wrong.
RE: I just hope Webb gets more time than Josh Johnson  
snumber6 : 8/21/2017 4:39 pm : link
In comment 13566687 robbieballs2003 said:
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Or at least some plays from under center ...
W/L not a factor  
idiotsavant : 8/21/2017 4:46 pm : link
lets see 4 runs in a row as often as possible, especially past the opponents 40, its preseason, who cares, thats almost like a punt.

all types of runs, outside zones, traps, what have you.

run, run, run, run, run

let the OL boys start to feel it
RE: Blocking was atrocious last preseason. Recall that Buffalo game  
Reale01 : 8/21/2017 4:52 pm : link
In comment 13566984 Jimmy Googs said:
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was about as bad a game a group of O-lineman and Tight Ends could have in recent memory.

The Offense though came out pretty strong for the first 3 regular season games in 2016. They didnt have the ball for that much time vs Dallas but moved it fine when they did. They also had the offense going vs New Orleans and Washington but just kept turning it over.


From there, things started to deteriorate. Both Jennings and Vereen were out with injuries, and defenses were picking on OBJ to take him out of his game. And I think Eli felt he had nobody to rely on b/c Cruz was useless, and he started looking at the rush coming more and more.

Then it really became hit or miss, as McAdoo got conservative to stay in games as he knew the defense started peaking. The O-line was madly inconsistent but simply never developed individually or as a unit.

My view at least...


Googs hits target - I would add that last year the problem on offense was turnovers. Bad play by OL contributed to turnovers. Turnovers cause defeat. Scaling back offense limits turnovers and limits offense.
RE: Blocking was atrocious last preseason. Recall that Buffalo game  
micky : 8/21/2017 5:07 pm : link
In comment 13566984 Jimmy Googs said:
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was about as bad a game a group of O-lineman and Tight Ends could have in recent memory.

The Offense though came out pretty strong for the first 3 regular season games in 2016. They didnt have the ball for that much time vs Dallas but moved it fine when they did. They also had the offense going vs New Orleans and Washington but just kept turning it over.

From there, things started to deteriorate. Both Jennings and Vereen were out with injuries, and defenses were picking on OBJ to take him out of his game. And I think Eli felt he had nobody to rely on b/c Cruz was useless, and he started looking at the rush coming more and more.

Then it really became hit or miss, as McAdoo got conservative to stay in games as he knew the defense started peaking. The O-line was madly inconsistent but simply never developed individually or as a unit.

My view at least...


good take on last season

It really started from unable to consistantly/at all run the ball
RE: 3 things for me.  
B in ALB : 8/21/2017 5:13 pm : link
In comment 13566836 Rory said:
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Seeing the starting offense together for the first time.

Aldrick Ross kickoffs

More Darian Thompson


Who is Aldrick Ross?
Will Geno be playing tonight?  
Fishmanjim57 : 8/21/2017 5:23 pm : link
I wish him the best, even though I don't think he'll see any game time in the regular season.
Will this place be at defcon 3 if the first team OL gets manhandled  
The_Boss : 8/21/2017 5:45 pm : link
By the Cleveland front? I know I'd be quite concerned.
Myles  
XBRONX : 8/21/2017 5:59 pm : link
Garrett must be licking his chops.
The offense needs to perform tonight!  
prdave73 : 8/21/2017 6:05 pm : link
I don't care if it's just preseason, they need to show something tonight. We know the defense will be good, but the offense is key tonight.
HUGE  
BleedBlue : 8/21/2017 6:06 pm : link
test for OL, unfortunately, i think they will fail miserably. i would love to have a Stud LT like joe thomas....actually an average one would be nice! get it together flowers!!!
RE: ...  
Boy Cord : 8/21/2017 6:10 pm : link
In comment 13566695 Eric from BBI said:
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Are we going to be one dimensional again this year or not? That's what I'm looking out for.


Do you think they will show their hand during week 2 of preseason?
I get that we should expect  
Stratman : 8/21/2017 6:12 pm : link
the game plan to be vanilla. That doesn't mean, though, that guys still can't make plays. I want to see the OL beat their man and play as a unit. Seeing runs get stuffed in the backfield or Eli getting swarmed is not excuseable because of a vanilla game plan.
.....  
Route 9 : 8/21/2017 6:49 pm : link
No Eli tonight? Good. Why risk it? I think a 36 year old knows how to play QB (with the same team he's been with his entire career)
I'm calling a three and out  
B in ALB : 8/21/2017 6:51 pm : link
first drive for the offense tonight. And BBI goes bonkers.
Plus it's the same dope heads  
Route 9 : 8/21/2017 6:51 pm : link
On the offensive line anyway
notplayingtonight..  
micky : 8/21/2017 6:52 pm : link
Giants not expected to play tonight: Dwayne Harris, Shaun Draughn, Mark Herzlich, J.T. Thomas, Keenan Robinson, Michael Bowie, Darius Powe.
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christian : 8/21/2017 7:00 pm : link
Executing 1-on-1 matchups is a good indication of the individual readiness. Getting your ass kicked by the guy in front of you doesn't bode well for future success.

If the Giants come out vanilla and the Browns are throwing the whole playbook, I get that. I'm not worried about Spags and Mac's ability to gameplan.

But plenty of guys who have been individually in pre-season have brought the suck come September.
RE: I get that we should expect  
gidiefor : Mod : 8/21/2017 7:01 pm : link
In comment 13567123 Stratman said:
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the game plan to be vanilla. That doesn't mean, though, that guys still can't make plays. I want to see the OL beat their man and play as a unit. Seeing runs get stuffed in the backfield or Eli getting swarmed is not excuseable because of a vanilla game plan.


I don't think the game plan will be completely vanilla -- it won't be very sophisticated, but the Giants will be experimenting with formations and situations where they are looking to make improvements -- they were doing it all camp and they did it in the first game too

-- we were told by our interviewee's (if you watched our interviews) that they were doing film study of the opposition and their tendencies

look for two TE formations, draw play formations, 11 personnel, and empty backfield

look for timing plays, running plays to all sides (straight and pulling) and the center with the FB, screens, seam passes, short yardage plays and green zone strategy -- 2 minute and 4 minute drives, long FG opps

RE: If Eli..  
AcidTest : 8/21/2017 7:11 pm : link
In comment 13566858 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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isn 't playing then I would expect this game to decide who stays between Johnson and Smith.


I would think so. But I assume that means that they want a long look at both, so Webb might not play much.
Oops.  
AcidTest : 8/21/2017 7:13 pm : link
Apparently, that was last week's tweet.
Anyone else a little irked  
bubba0825 : 8/21/2017 7:20 pm : link
They had to start a preseason game at 8? It's a central time zone game that really only has appeal to the fans of the teams playing
RE: I'm calling a three and out  
Larry in Pencilvania : 8/21/2017 7:26 pm : link
In comment 13567140 B in ALB said:
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first drive for the offense tonight. And BBI goes bonkers.


I say Eli fumbles the handoff and pitchforks and touches come out....MOB RULES on BBI
Hope Trump's 9pm address doesn't preempt the ABC broadcast  
Overseer : 8/21/2017 7:30 pm : link
I suspect it will, though...
My God  
blueblood'11 : 8/21/2017 9:34 pm : link
Are we going to have to put up with the same bullshit offense again this year. This offense shows no imagination. Where have you gone Kevin Gilbride.
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